Maddow Guest Jane Mayer: Cheney Became 'Obsessive' About Terrorism After 9/11 (Gasp!)

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Just when you thought left-wing criticism of Dick Cheney had climbed over the top, it keeps reaching new heights.

Case in point -- New Yorker magazine writer Jane Mayer appearing on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC cable show May 15 --

MADDOW: We're trying to figure out the role of vice president Cheney's office here in part on the torture issue, the leadup to the invasion of Iraq. From your reporting, what can you tell us about what sort of interest Cheney took personally in the intelligence that was gleaned from these interrogations?

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MAYER: Well, I mean, I think we're beginning to learn more and more about this. He is described in my book by the number two person in the Justice Department, James Cobey, Comey as having become obsessive basically after 9/11 with the threat of terrorism. And you can see it more and more really, I mean, he's been speaking out so often he's becoming the face and the defense for these programs really. And he was, I think, if you look at it carefully, many of the sort of fingerprints go back to his office and we're beginning to sort of, you know, connect those dots now.

MADDOW: And he was going through raw intelligence at this time, in terms of the leadup, post-9/11, pre-invasion of Iraq. He was not only getting briefed and receiving the same kind of information the president was getting, he was also going through the raw materials, wasn't he?

MAYER: Well, what happened after 9/11 was, he was dissatisfied with the kind of information that had been given to them from the CIA. And so they demanded just every single piece of scrap of information about threats that might be coming towards the United States. And, at his direction, they took away the filter that the CIA had had where previously, before 9/11, the president, the vice president, people who were not intelligence experts, had only been told about things that were really possibly important. After 9/11, they saw everything. It was called the threat matrix report, it was this extensive thing they started every morning, Cheney started every morning with the matrix report and then went through it all again sitting down with the president, so he did it twice every day. And it was described to me by some of the more expert intelligence officials, Roger Cressey, who worked in the NSC, as filled with garbage, just completely alarming stuff that would just make anybody lose their judgment. Somebody else described it to me as like being locked into a room with Led Zeppelin playing. I mean, you just would lose your mind looking at this stuff. And they started it every day looking at these things.

So, that was kind of the mindset they were in. Then, you know, there were reports of Cheney going over to the CIA and personally taking a great involvement in the issue. There were reports that he had a reading room set aside for himself over there. Not all the details are out, I don't know whether or not, how many times he went over there, there are a number of people who say he was there a lot and pushing so hard on this front.

Can you believe the nerve of this Cheney? Talk about a malcontent! Using the "man caused disaster" of 9/11 as pretext, Cheney sought raw intelligence from the CIA instead of the synthesized version previously provided. Not only that, Cheney wanted the data twice daily, going so far as to start each workday with it. What's with this guy -- did he forget he worked for the government?

Not content to be fully engaged at the White House, Cheney felt compelled to drag his unseemly obsession to CIA headquarters. We're not sure how often Cheney made the trip, but based on the weary tone in Mayer's voice, Cheney was probably on a first-name basis with the security guards at Langley.

Topping it off -- Cheney demanding a "reading room" set aside for him.Couldn't he have just read the stuff in the foyer? The raw data was garbage anyway, right? 

I'm reminded of the time Maria Shriver appeared on the Letterman show to plug a book she'd written about addictions. Shriver told Letterman that addictions were not limited to booze and drugs, but could also involve food, exercise, even sex. C'mon, Letterman asked, how can a person be addicted to sex? When it's all a person thinks about, Shriver said, day in, day out, nothing else matters. To which Letterman quipped -- uh, isn't that the idea?

Mayer may find it odd that Cheney became "obsessive" about terrorism after the wanton slaughter of nearly 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. Me, I consider that a healthy obsession. And seeing how al Qaeda was thwarted from reeling off another sucker punch for the seven years while Bush and Cheney remained in office, it's an obsession Obama would do well to emulate. The post-9/11 approach to intelligence analysis by Cheney served us far better than the pre-9/11 version.

More along the same lines from Maddow on May 21, Ahabesque in her pursuit of Cheney Dick (shown in second part of embedded video) --

MADDOW: Former vice president Dick Cheney gave what amounted to the Republican response to President Obama's national security speech today. It was a reminder that Mr. Cheney has essentially been giving the same national security speech for seven years now, basically the same speech over and over and over again, but over time his language changes. His language gets fuzzier, a little more general, to account for all of the earlier, sharp, specific assertions of his that have been completely disproven. Take for example the old line about WMD. Here's how it started --

CHENEY: Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

 MADDOW: That's very specific. That was from August 2002, before the war. Then the next year, the vice president's word choice was already starting to get fuzzed up. He said, quote, "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them."

See, the problem wasn't that he had weapons of mass destruction, but that he was cultivating them. And today, further fuzzing up of the same issue --

CHENEY: We turned special attention to regimes that had the capacity to build weapons of mass destruction and might transfer such weapons to the terrorists.

MADDOW: Regimes that had the capacity to build weapons of mass destruction. So the big, key, scary, important justification for starting a war has officially been fuzzed up from he has weapons, to he's cultivating weapons, to you know, hey, everybody's got the capacity to maybe someday get weapons, right? Want another Iraq war golden oldie? How about the Saddam Hussein-al Qaeda link --

CHENEY: We've learned a couple of things. We've learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s.

MADDOW: That was Cheney, September 2003. Back then, if you asked Cheney, his information was very specific, definite, we had details. I mean, Saddam was college roommates with all of the top guys in al Qaeda, they played canasta every Wednesday night, there were pretzels. Now, the same story now, the Iraq-al Qaeda link today --

CHENEY: We had the training camps in Afghanistan and dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists.

MADDOW: Known ties to Mideast terrorists. Maybe not al Qaeda that attacked us, like I said before, but you know, still sounds bad.

As if al Qaeda was not led and mainly comprised of "Mideast terrorists" -- bin Laden (Saudi), al-Zawahiri (Egyptian), 15 of 19 Sep. 11 hijackers (Saudi), Abu Zubaydah (ditto), Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (Kuwaiti), etc. That most al Qaeda are currently situated in Afghanistan and Pakistan doesn't change the fact they'd take the Mideast as their demesne in a heartbeat. 

While deriding Cheney for "fuzzing up" his earlier assertions, Maddow engages in outright deceit. The relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein that stretched back through most of the '90s "completely disproven"? Hardly.

What Maddow does here is engage in standard liberal sleight of hand when it comes to undeniable, pre-9/11 ties between Iraq and al Qaeda, as documented by Stephen Hayes of The Weekly Standard and author Richard Miniter. She conflates lack of evidence of Iraqi complicity in 9/11 with vehement denial of any links between Iraq and al Qaeda before September 2001 -- a demonstrably false claim. 

It's also worthy noting what else Cheney said at the American Enterprise Institute on Thursday in the context of the snippets quoted by Maddow --

CHENEY: 9/11 caused everyone to take a serious second look at threats that had been gathering for a while, and enemies whose plans were getting bolder and more sophisticated. Throughout the '90s, America had responded to these attacks, if at all, on an ad hoc basis. The first attack on the World Trade Center was treated as a law enforcement problem, with everything handled after the fact -- crime scene, arrests, indictments, convictions, prison sentences, case closed.

That's how it seemed from a law enforcement perspective, at least -- but for the terrorists the case was not closed. For them, it was another offensive strike in their ongoign war against the United States. And it turned their minds to even harder strikes with higher casualties. Nine-eleven made necessary a shift of policy, aimed at a clear strategic threat -- what the Congress called "an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States." From that moment forward, instead of merely preparing to round up the suspects and count the victims after the next attack, we were determined to prevent attacks in the first place.

We could count on almost universal support back then, because everyone understood the environment we were in. We'd just been hit by a foreign enemy -- leaving 3,000 Americans dead, more than we lost at Pearl Harbor. In Manhattan, we were staring at 16 acres of ashes. The Pentagon took a direct hit, and the Capitol or the White House were spared only by the Americans on Flight 93, who died bravely and defiantly.

Everyone expected a follow-on attack, and our job was to stop it. We didn't know what was coming next, but everything we did know in that autumn of 2001 looked bad. This was the world in which al Qaeda was seeking nuclear technology, and A.Q. Khan was selling nuclear technology on the black market. We had the anthrax attack from an unknown source. We had the training camps of Afghanistan, and dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists.

These are just a few of the problems we had on our hands. And foremost on our minds was the prospect of the very worst coming to pass -- a 9/11 with nuclear weapons.

Cheney could be mistaken, however, in his belief that Americans are more vulnerable to terrorism since Obama took office. Personally I doubt al Qaeda will attack again while criminal prosecution of Bush officials remains a possibility.

Liberals love the dubious claim that harsh interrogation of terrorists has been a recruitment boondoogle for al Qaeda. A more effective recruiting tool -- war crimes trials for Bush and Cheney earnestly sought by al Qaeda's useful idiots in the West. Imagine what Al Jazeera could charge for commercials while broadcasting such a spectacle live to its credulous audience.


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OMG! How dare Cheney take

OMG!

How dare Cheney take much care, concentration, investigation to gain all knowledge we had that was available to protect and defend this nation...how dare he!

Mayer, Kressy, Maddow and msnbc are really people to draw to alright....if it would be up to them, the USA would NO longer be the USA as we know it...heck, it's becoming unrecognizable now as it is just with the socialization that is going on at break-neck speed.

This truly makes one sick to listen to...let alone infuriating.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

FDR Too

That darn FDR was obsessed with World War II as well.

  Yea, not to mention,

Yea, not to mention, that silly Kennedy guy became obsessed about the Russian's too, after they placed nuclear missiles in Cuba.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

....and Obama is obsessed

....and Obama is obsessed with class warfare and keeping us all safe from prosperity.

→ That Kennedy guy

That Kennedy guy was so obsessed with Castro he tried to have him killed a couple of times before Castro shot back.

Poison cigars, indeed.

  • General Motors - You get what we pay for

 

just another nobody

writing about about nothing and getting the attention of nobody.

He is described in my book

He is described in my book by the number two person in the Justice
Department, James Cobey, Comey as having become obsessive basically
after 9/11 with the threat of terrorism.

She says that as if it were a bad thing.

That's as far as I got, then my head exploded.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

mb... Uh-Oh! You didn't

mb...

Uh-Oh!

You didn't get to that duct-tape in time eh?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

→ Cheney obsessive?

And God bless him for that!  So was America immediately after the Towers went down.

Thank you Dick Cheney, for standing in the breach, fighting terrorists on the one hand, and putting up with all those insults from their apologists in Washington.

Those apologists have now risen to the seat of power, and are even now preparing America for the next attack.  

They openly speak certainly of the Terrorists' reason for the coming attack, "Guantanamo provoked them"  "Torture provoked them"  "We must shower them with ever so much more apology. 

  • General Motors - You get what we pay for

 

What was teh alternative

Acting like the 9/11 attacks didn't happen?  Clinton tried that after multiple terrorist attacks, and we know how well that worked.

 

I'm also curious if this wahoo thinks FDR was too obsessed about the Axis after 12/7/41.

 

Blogging at rhymeswithright.mu.nu

Maddow and her ilk may want

Maddow and her ilk may want to remember this...doubtful though.

Appreciation, being thankful is something foreign to them all.

Ungrateful, agenda-driven monsters all... in my own opinion.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

I'm glad I got me one of those new.......

waterproof keyboards. Thanks BT, perfect for the start of this day.

"Cheney Became 'Obsessive' About Terrorism After 9/11"

Duh!

Long live Dick Cheney

thank you for your service.

"we're beginning to sort

"we're beginning to sort of, you know, connect those dots now."

Really? Let us know when you are sure...

MADDOW: Former vice

MADDOW: Former vice president Dick Cheney gave what amounted to the
Republican response to President Obama's national security speech today.

My understanding was that Cheney had planned this speech well in advance and that Obama is the one who essentially made the preemtive play. Am I wrong here?

No, you are correct.

It's my understanding that the President scheduled his speech to be speaking at the same hour as Cheney (talk about arrogant and immature).

VP Cheney respectfully waited until the President was done.  

I'm sure we can look forward to many more "pre-buttals" and pre-emptions.

 

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

Not so black and white

What they're not saying, especially since most of the sources to this story seem to come from the intelligence community, is that right after 9/11, no one was willing to trust the intelligence community. 9/11 was a massive intelligence failure. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Cheney and Bush took the attitude that they didn't want any more cliff notes. They wanted to see everything; no more filters. As the 9/11 Commission said later, this was a failure of the imagination. It wouldn't surprise me if Cheney wanted to see it all for himself.

This is, of course, presuming that the stories are accurate. I'm not sure they are, but even if so, it's hardly surprising.

KC's memory

Hadn't thought of that, KC.

We really did have a lot of questions about the Intelligence Community's ability to "connect the dots".  So much so that Bush/Cheney tore down the walls of communication among them in hopes of better results.

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Yep...Gorelick/Torrecilli/Re

Yep...Gorelick/Torrecilli/Reno/Clinton made sure there was that wall...along with others.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Intelligence is a mixed bag

You know, I've always been intrigued by what we ask the CIA to do. We ask them to tell us what's going on in the world, but we constantly throw obstacles in their way. On the other hand, there is no agency more susceptible to group-think, because most of the intelligence they gather is based on assumptionns. We have to take what they say with a grain of salt, but on the other hand, they load up the salt on their own.

If I'm the president, I wouldn't know what to make of these guys.

Speaking of 9-11

Anybody happen to be watching Inside 9-11 in National Geo channel?

I am so surprised so far how well they have done this.

Maddow and her ilk may want to watch this and understand why Cheney cared about getting all info he could!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

They really are disturbed........

Rachel Maddow and Jane Mayer are mentally disturbed, to believe with such force of conviction that Cheney was "obsessed" in a negative way with the AlQaida-intel-threat.  I mean, any rational human being who loves this country would think that Cheney was going above and beyond the call of duty to help Bush with these matters.  It also points out how wise it was for Bush to select Cheney as running mate, and how serious this duo was in combatting war against the Jihadists.

Gays are obsessed with SSM,

Gays are obsessed with SSM, so she's one to talk about obsessions.

A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.

Obama is targetting Cheney.

Cheney slam dunked the empty suit.

 

Obama is equally obsessed with destroying the terrorist US automakers.  Kill chrysler.  death to dodge. 

The false choices he presents..If we don't move swiftly, it will cost us.  every swift move he has didn't work. 

 

→ Perfect Storm

We'll pay dearly for having nothing better than Milquetoast McCain on the Elephant side of the election.

Chrysler and GM drank lustily from the Kool-Aid cistern.  Both of them came back for seconds when GMAC and Cerberus went after bank status to qualify for even more money.

Hmmmm. let's see.  Is there another car company whose resume' is just a little bit cleaner than those two weasel companies?

  • General Motors - You get what we pay for

 

What would be so bad...

...about being locked in a room listening to Zeppelin?

Better than being a woman locked in a room w/ BJ Clinton. Or being anywhere near the Obamessiah.

cmik...

Speaking if which...How about Iron Butterfly... we always have this...

Still better than your latter choice.  ;-)

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Nothing left to say about these jackasses but.....

They're getting gang raped by FNC in the ratings. They don't know what to do and are floundering about like a ship without a rudder. So MSNBC and it's paid idiots try to continue to appeal to that 1% of the country who's so screamingly left and stupid that they'll believe anything as long as it starts with "The evil Bush/Cheney administration".  Rave on Olbergoebbels and Madcow....you've lost philosophically, economically and every other way that a news network can lose. 

"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates

"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po

And yet more evidence ....

That having no agenda, no goal, and no other ideas other than to make the country as socialist as possible, the Democrat/MSM agenda can't do anything else other than to attack the (former, no less) administration as much as possible through it's media surrogates and any other leftist whores.

 

"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates

"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po

Last year the Senate

Last year the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated Bush administration claims made in the lead up to the Iraq war.  The description of the report by the chairman, Rockefeller, implied that the administration had made misleading statements.  But the body of the report gave NO evidence of any statement from the Bush administration having been found to be wrong.  Rockefeller mislead the public about the conclusions of the report.  And the actual report is proof of the soundness of the Bush position.  http://fishwrangler....

Checking the facts...

Everyone makes a big deal about Powell and Cheney "checking" the intel. What they have forgotten is how clueless the intelligence community was about Iraq a decade before. Desert Storm found a lot of information, later verified by the UN inspectors, that was unknown to the intel folks. It may well be that a decade later they were just as wrong in the other direction. Generals don't send troops into battle in full Mop4 gear unless they believe, or are told, there is a good chance of encountering chemical or biological weapons. Of the books I've read, there is reference to checking intel but nothing about what the intel was saying or if people were checking because they didn't trust the intel. One thing is certain, Powell believed it when he went to the UN. But even he checked the intel and made Tenet sit behind him when he addressed the UN.

MOPP IV SUCKS!!!!  I got

MOPP IV SUCKS!!!!  I got used to MOPP II and it was not terrible in cold climates, but hot dusty deserts SUCKS!!!!!  Now imagine MOPP IV with Body Armor? 

Well it's nice to know that

Well it's nice to know that the current administration is appropriately casual and non-obsessed about our safety.  It just wouldn't be cool.

I don't think these people have any working memory.  They can't remember what 9/11 was like, or its aftermath.  They forget that people wanted, more than anything else, for that not to happen again.

Rotten spoiled ingrates, the lot of them.

Its kinda hard to have a

Its kinda hard to have a working memory without a brain.

She can change

She could lower her dosage of testosterone.

Re Checking the Intel

The 'checking the intel' meme should remind us that the House and Senate committees were fully briefed with the same intelligence that the President saw, on the threat of Saddam's Iraq. The situation is perfectly analogous to Pelosi on the House Intel Committee and her Senate counterpart's briefings on waterboarding. The ridiculous 'Bush lied' democratic propaganda is just as open to bipartisan investigation as waterboarding is. If Bush lied, so did Congress. If Congress accepted the intelligence they were provided on Iraq, so did the President.

this guy

Is it just me or is this guy Maddow the  the wierdest looking thing on TV??  Also why would her parents name this guy Rachel????