Rachel Maddow Compares Obama to - Gasp! - George W. Bush

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President Obama might be at risk of losing MSNBC political analyst Rachel Maddow, though it could be worse for him. Instead, she might remain a reliable shill.

After Obama unveiled details of his strategy against al Qaeda on Friday, Maddow played clips of Obama's remarks during her show that night, juxtaposed with similar comments by George W. Bush while he was president --
MADDOW: First, though, superficially, I think it has to be acknowledged that in today's speech, there were some George Bush-ish moments.

BUSH: These terrorists must be pursued ...

OBAMA: They must be met with force ...
Bush and Obama are then heard to say, in unison though years apart, " ... and they must be defeated."
MADDOW: All together now, they must be defeated! What does defeat mean in this context? We also have the ominous warnings about the next attack.

OBAMA: Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland.

BUSH: ... bases from which they can plot and plan attacks on our homeland.

MADDOW: I guess this means that the creepy word homeland is surviving into this administration too. Hmm. There was also an echo today of one of Bush's pre-surge strategic promises in Iraq.

BUSH: I like to put it this way -- as they stand up, we'll sit down.

MADDOW: Coming out of the last president, that sounded a little like advice for how to do well at hokey-pokey, but the idea was that when Iraqi security forces could handle their country's own security needs, we would leave. President Obama ...

OBAMA: That's how we will prepare Afghans to take responsibility for their security and how we will ultimately be able to bring our own troops home.

MADDOW: You know, I knew that sounded familiar. There was also a deja vu moment about this being tough territory.

OBAMA: I don't ask for this support lightly ...

BUSH: These aren't joyous times ...

(Both men at once): These are challenging times.

MADDOW: Honestly it was a little eerie, how similar the rhetoric was and there's no use pretending otherwise. But beyond the rhetoric, and if we've learned anything at all over the past eight years, it's that it is worth looking beyond the rhetoric, specifically when you're talking about war.

When you're actually looking at the substance, there are some big changes here, starting with the level of commitment -- money, troops, civilian resources, presidential attention, diplomatic attention, other civilian government that's not the State Department or the president's attention.

It doesn't mean that this is the glorious war now, but it does mean if we want to know what our country is doing in this war now, there is new stuff to learn and new stuff to understand.
Maddow proceeded to describe what she sees as the differences between the Obama and Bush strategies against al Qaeda. But what struck me as most relevant was not Maddow citing parallels between the two presidents, followed by her claim that their differences loom larger, but what Maddow said later in the segment --
MADDOW: So there's a lot that's in flux right now and all the important devils, as ever, are in the details. Still, it's worth not losing sight of the big picture.

And what exactly is "the big picture"? Maddow then showed a clip from the 1987 film "The Princess Bride," with the character played by Wallace Shawn saying, "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia." 

MADDOW: Too late for that!

Hmm, are you suggesting the United States should have refrained from using military force in Afghanistan after al Qaeda killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11?

Characteristically of Maddow, she doesn't say -- just as she derides the word "homeland" as "creepy" yet offers no substitute. The word "blunder" doesn't allow much room for interpretation. OK, maybe it was. What would you have done instead?

Maddow is entitled to her opinion, and anyone within earshot doesn't wait long to hear it. But if she believes the United States is engaged in grievous folly by sending troops to Afghanistan, instead of lobbing cruise missiles, handing out indictments and bolstering the Peace Corps, say so -- don't dance around it.

Maddow wasn't the only high-profile lefty who saw unsettling parallels between Obama and Bush when it comes to Afghanistan. So did filmmaker Michael Moore, whose response was "surprisingly forceful," according to Gawker (Can you see Obama inviting Moore for dinner anytime soon? Me neither. Yet another parallel with Bush).

One of Maddow's guests on Friday was former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. Speaking with Brzezinski, Maddow raised the inevitable specter of Vietnam. Brzezinski rejected the analogy --

MADDOW: Dr. Brzezinski, I wondered if you could respond to the criticism that was levied today by an anti-war group called Peace Action that said, after JFK was elected he escalated a low-lying military conflict, which is part of the way that we ended up inextricably, feeling like we were inextricably tied to the conflict in Vietnam. Do you think that there's a risk that we've entered into sort of an incrementalist, escalating quagmire in Afghanistan and we're going to find it harder to get out?

BRZEZINSKI: You know, what people forget when they say that is something that to some extent even got overlooked in the earlier comments about Bush and Iraq. Vietnam and Iraq were American engagements of our choice. I repeat that, of our choice. We didn't have to go in. Afghanistan is a reaction to 9/11, to a massive attack on the United States which originated from within Afghanistan, not from the Taliban incidentally, but the Taliban was sheltering al Qaeda, and al Qaeda is still in Afghanistan and even more so in Pakistan.

So in that sense President Obama is not making any choice, the choice has been forced upon him by history, by a brutal act to which we have to react. So we have here a national challenge which cannot be really discussed in terms of the president somehow dragging us in. We have been dragged in by those who attacked us.

MADDOW: Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security adviser to President Carter, it's always such a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you for taking the time.

Translation of Brzezinski's remarks -- Obama is sending troops to Afghanistan, as did Bush after 9/11, in a decision "forced upon him by history." While you disagree with that, but won't come out and say it, Obama concurs with Bush. As do I, Jimmy Carter's national security adviser.

"What does defeat mean in this context?" Maddow asks, oblivious, disingenuous or maybe both. If defining defeat as destroying the threat from al Qaeda is too complicated for her to grasp, I'll offer an anecdotal example of how we'll know that day has arrived -- when openly gay Jewish women who also happen to be liberal political pundits can fly on jumbo jets and nap during the flight.


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She's surprised they are

She's surprised they are still using the creepy word "homeland"!?  I can't see why, being as it is right in the middle of the US Govt Dept central to this whole issue. Helloooo, what the hell did you think the H in DHS stood for?

This dude gets on my nerves.

  Since when is "Homeland"

  Since when is "Homeland" a creepy word???

I'm assuming that for

I'm assuming that for Rachel, it carries tones of "Fatherland" (Nazi Germany)or "Motherland" (Russia). 

These liberals are so sensitive you know...and the word "Homeland" was ruined by GWB, just like the word "terror."

So just as "terror" is now a "man-made disaster", I guess The Obama will have to come up with another word instead of Homeland.

BTW, my first reaction to Rachel's comparison was:  Well, Rach, are all these things like pursuing and defeating the "terrorists" now acceptable to liberals since they are being espoused by The Obama instead of GW Bush? 

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

  She seemed like she

  She seemed like she wasn't at all pleased with the similarities between her guy and our guy. (not speaking for anyone here but me on that one... I consider GWB "our guy" even with whatever imperfections he owns.)

Creepy

I don't think there is anything creepy about the word homeland.  What is creepy is watching this Maddow dude on tv.

Homeland

Since when is "Homeland" a creepy word???

I think Maddow would prefer the word: "Freetoallpeoplesexceptcreepyconservativesland"

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Consistency.

At least Harry Potter is consistent.  Since I would certainly hammer him if he suddenly started supporting wars now that Obama is president, I must say that at least he stuck to his wand.... er guns when it comes to opposition to defending the US.  Maybe he'd change his tune if the Taliban attacked Hogwarts.

 

 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."

--Ernesto "Che" Guevara

I think Maddow's question

I think Maddow's question about what "defeat" means to Obama is a good one, even if she is probably unaware of that.  With President Bush, it meant "destroy", since Islamoterrorists aren't stopped by anything short of that.  IMO, Obama means "negotiate", which is an entirely different thing.

Silly little naive Rachel.

Silly little naive Rachel.   

Did she actually think that Obama was going to quit fighting terrorists?  Did she really think he meant it when he said he was going to "end the war" in Iraq and look for common ground with the Taliban? 

She didn't realize that those were just campaign promises?

Sheesh!

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

National Security Briefs

I'm sure Barry had a "come to Jesus" moment after his first daily National Serurity Briefing. The world turned out to be a much more dangerous place then he ever expected.

pardon me

If I don't have faith in "those same words" as spoken by our current President.  I don't think Obama has the stomach for it.

_____________________________________________________
Obama does not perform as advertised.  I'd like a refund.
Taxed Enough Already.

this guy

i bet when he/she was little all the other little boys beat her/him up everyday.  She/he is a joke

Helpful tip for anyone who cares

Oh friends, do not buy into this sophistry by Rachel Maddow.  No matter what party I cannot stand propagandists.  This whole act that the left does about saying how Barack Obama is not liberal enough is misinformation.   These pundits do this so that when middle of the road Americans see a liberal bashing Obama as not being progressive enough- they create an illusion for average Americans to say, well maybe his ideas are not that liberal.  Then they see Hannity or Beck on TV complaining about how left Obama is and they say, well he must be doing things that are middle of the road.  This is all a game- do not buy into it nor believe what these people on either side are saying.   I will give you an example of this, Bill Clinton. 

~Who are you?

And what did you do with Sterling?

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

Is Brzezinski painting himself to the right of the left..

Is Brzezinski painting himself to the right of the left.. and just for convenience purposes? The left, has maintained that 9/11 was our fault - that we dragged them into it, but Brzezinski suggests otherwise?

..Afghanistan is a reaction to 9/11, to a massive attack on the United States which originated from within Afghanistan, not from the Taliban incidentally, but the Taliban was sheltering al Qaeda, and al Qaeda is still in Afghanistan and even more so in Pakistan.

So in that sense President Obama is not making any choice, the choice has been forced upon him by history, by a brutal act to which we have to react. So we have here a national challenge which cannot be really discussed in terms of the president somehow dragging us in. We have been dragged in by those who attacked us.

Whatever you have to say to support your guy, Brzezinski.

Rachel is not Jewish

..."when openly gay Jewish women who also happen to be liberal political pundits can fly on jumbo jets and nap during the flight."

Not that it matters. Her dad's American (of Russian decent) and her mom is Canadian (of Irish decent).

 Why is it that anyone who is a Liberal and has dark-hair is automatically considered "Jewish"? Just like Keith Olbermann is painted as a far-left Jew when he is actually of German decent. I think its interesting...

It's not one or the other

I don't personally know whether either Maddow or Olbermann is Jewish, and I don't need to know, but to answer your question in part... people can be Jewish as well as American, Russian, Canadian, Irish, German, etc.