Ed Schultz on Card Check: Secret Ballot 'Sacred' in Elections - Unless Held in Workplace

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When it comes to a voter's right to privacy, some elections are less sacred than others to radio host Ed Schultz.

The country's top-rated liberal talker has seized on the deceptively named Employee Free Choice Act -- also known as "card check" -- that would allow unions to circumvent workplace elections that currently let workers decide on unionization.

Here's Schultz on Monday, misleading his listeners on how card check would work (click here for audio) --

CALLER: I'd like to disagree with this Employee Free Choice Act. That's just completely an un-American way to go about forming a union. They want to have a public ballot, not private. They want to be able to find out who voted for what. And if somebody doesn't want to go along with it, for whatever reason they have, they're going to have to answer to all the union bosses and all the other guys ...

SCHULTZ (interrupting): All right, I gotta stop Stan right there because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. There is a vote that can take place in the workplace. The employees can determine whether it's public or private. The Employee Free Choice Act does not mandate that there be a public vote, this card check thing. What the conservatives are trying to do, folks, is confuse you. And any time you have a public that is confused, you're not going to have a public that's going to support.

Here's Teamsters president James Hoffa Jr. on Schultz's show March 12, making a similar assertion after Schultz asked why the current "secret vote" is not the way to go (click here for audio) --

HOFFA: Well the answer is, maybe it doesn't work. We've got that right now. The other point the public should know, Ed, is that there is a provision, you know, for secret ballot. There's a provision in the act that if the majority of people also say, look it, we know we want a union and we also know that we can go card check, majority plus one, but there's a provision in the act where they can go and say, we elect to have a secret ballot. So it isn't that it's absolutely gone, the people can elect.

Schultz and Hoffa aren't the only EFCA proponents claiming this. So did MSNBC lefty pundit Rachel Maddow, claiming this on her show March 10 (follow this link to a video clip of the Maddow segment; her remarks below can be heard at 1:11 into the clip) -- 

MADDOW: Along with the option of the secret ballot, employees could instead choose the option of signing consent cards. Employees get to pick which one they want to do. That would avoid the need for the scheduled election if they decided to go with the card thing. All the employee intimidation that often goes along with the election, they could pick the card thing instead. That's the bill -- either cards or the secret ballot election. Workers get to decide.

I've heard several variations of this claim in public discourse over recent weeks. All share a suspicious lack of specifics.

Here is a link to the language of EFCA at THOMAS, the Library of Congress online repository of proposed and enacted legislation. I've read the bill twice and nowhere could I find this alleged provision amid the leaden legalese. In fact, most of the bill describes time frames of speeding up contract negotiations and harsher penalties for labor law violations.

EFCA is quite specific, however, in describing how workplace elections on unionization would be eliminated. Once "a majority of the employees" have signed "valid authorizations," the National Labor Relations Board "shall not direct an election" but instead certify the new union. 

In that same March 12 appearance on the Schultz show, Hoffa said as much, talking about how card check would work after initially describing unions' enthusiasm for it (click here for audio) --

HOFFA: When you do get it, you know, it breaks down into three parts, Ed. Number one, it's majority plus one, card check. You sign a card, you get it. Number two, treble damages. You know, if they fire you and you finally get your job back, they just don't pay you, you know, your regular wages after four years, after you've lost your house and your car and everything else, they pay you treble damages. And the third thing is, on the first contract, you know, they're going to help you after six months, if you can't get an agreement, they're going to have a mediator come in and then they're going to have an arbitrator, you know, give you the first contract.

(The concept of "treble damages" was apparently more than Schultz could fathom. Later in the show, he described it as "troubled damages" -- click here for audio). 

You sign a card, you get in -- what could be easier? No need for messy elections and their unpredictable outcomes (and heck, didn't Churchill criticize democracy as the worst form of government ...?) A majority of workers signing cards for a union is no guarantee of majority support in the election to follow, as union organizers have learned from hard experience.

As a former member of three unions, I have little trouble envisioning how EFCA would actually work. Workers who want to unionize would sign cards; those opposed or uncertain would sign documents requesting an election with private ballots. Those not signing cards would be fall under immediate suspicion as anti-union -- if they weren't, why not just sign the card?

Put another way, workers would decide on card check by a voting method closely resembling it. How clever! 

Besides, the secret ballot is hardly "sacred" in the workplace, at least not to Schultz, though it remains sacrosanct to him in congressional and presidential elections. Here's what passes for logic from Schultz on that score (click here for audio) --

You see, a secret ballot in the workplace, we have a secret ballot in November, every two years, and every four years for the presidency. And that secret ballot is sacred, but you know what, they don't get to do that every Tuesday. There's a big difference. This is not about who the people want to be in a position and that's what an election is, when you go in and vote, you are selecting what person you want to be in what position. But when you go up with an open ballot, you're saying this is the position I'd like to be in. Why would you want anybody to be in a position that would harm that?

Glenn Beck is an idiot. He's stupid. He's bought and paid for. He has no core value for the working folk of America. And Slanthead (Sean Hannity) is the same way. And Rush is just a college dropout. He don't know his ass from third base. He used so many drugs he can't even hear. These people are not experts on the middle class. They're only experts on themselves.

A sure sign Schultz is on shaky ground -- the cheap insults that distract from his argument rather than bolster it. And no wonder, considering the thin gruel he offers -- elections held only to elect candidates? Has Schultz missed the furor over Proposition 8 in California, a ballot question outlawing same-sex marriage?

Here in Massachusetts where I live, municipalities are limited to 2 1/2 percent annual increases in their tax levies due to a ballot question approved by voters in 1980. It was arguably the most consequential decision by Bay State voters in the last three decades -- and a candidate's name wasn't attached to it.

Look no further for evidence of how important EFCA has become to liberals than Schultz threatening on March 11 to "take out" Democrats who don't toe the line (click here for audio) --

If there is any Democrat in the House or the Senate that doesn't line up for the Employee Free Choice Act, I promise you we will take you out. I promise you we will target you and I don't care you who are, how long you've been there, I will get the unions together and if you're a Democrat and you don't support the Employee Free Choice Act, we will take you out. You're either with us or you're against us.

Rhetoric that liberals found most distasteful when directed by  President Bush toward those harboring terrorists.

Time is of the essence for EFCA supporters, not because of the stagnant economy and dubious value of card check in reviving it. No, liberals like Schultz are keenly aware that their window of opportunity -- Democrats controlling both Congress and the White House -- won't remain open indefinitely.


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Ed Schultz!

I have honestly never heard of this guy, until this story. It doesn't say much, if he is America's number one liberal radio talk show host.  Then again, whom is stupid enough to listen to liberal talk radio anyway.  It sure wouldn't be anyone with a brain!

When our senators/representatives in DC agree to give up

their rights to cast a secret vote in Congressional committees and at the ballot box, then and ONLY then, should they vote for this sham!

'Free Choice' is exactly the OPPOSITE!  In a recent conversation with a registered nurse, we were told that she was being paid a LOWER hourly wage because she didn't sign the 'right' union card.  Unions have long since outlived their original intended purpose of protecting workers - they are now nothing more than highway bandits!

The right to cast your vote in complete privacy is NOT something to be toyed with in America - Russia, Cuba, Venezuela maybe BUT NOT IN AMERICA!!

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

Wait, there's more

The most odious aspect of EFCA is actually the mandatory arbitration by an Obammy government official. In applications it really amounts to a takeover of the company that the union thugs are striking. This happens if the union and the company cannot come to an agreement, so obviously they will not come to an agreement!

The left cares not for

The left cares not for democracy.

or

or our tax dollars
or our safety
or our vets

or the Constitution

Current rules, that have been in place, court tested

are no longer good enough. Its time the BHO pay the Unions back for their support. Fair enough. Two of my golfing partners are small business owners with less than 50 employees. Once the topic got to this issue at the 19th hole. Both without hesitation, would cut back to 5-10 employees. They do not need someone telling them how to run their company. " I'm the only one with skin in the game, if i'm not a fair employer, leave me." If i am fair, leave me alone, Or i will sell and take my skin out of the game. Good Luck.

BHO- ill equipped to lead America

 

 

 

Current rules, that have been in place, court tested

are no longer good enough. Its time the BHO pay the Unions back for their support. Fair enough. Two of my golfing partners are small business owners with less than 50 employees. Once the topic got to this issue at the 19th hole. Both without hesitation, would cut back to 5-10 employees. They do not need someone telling them how to run their company. " I'm the only one with skin in the game, if i'm not a fair employer, leave me." If i am fair, leave me alone, Or i will sell and take my skin out of the game. Good Luck.

BHO- ill equipped to lead America

 

 

 

Who needs the truth

The pandering and lying here is incredible. This is a power grab by the unions. They are down below 10% of the workforce unionized. They are trying anything now to get more members. So, intimidation and forces works for a Socialist and lying.

 http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/

Why I just heard O live at

Why I just heard O live at the Townhall Meeting in Ca. the Unions/card check bring balance to our economy.

That settles it!

I am so mad I can't see straight with what I have heard out of this man's mouth the last fourty minutes or so now that I am hoping Rush covers a helluva a lot of this BS tomorrow, from his illegal immigration to the small banks, to people making a certain amount of money were rich in the 90's and can afford to pay for everyones health care, paying for the college kids education and the rest of our education system in the schools....blah blah blah...

...and he had the audicity to claim all his lying blather that I have heard is not, I repeat, NOT SOCIALISM...

God help us all...

YIKES! I'd never be able to sleep tonight if I'd watched

that. bt!  I'll let Rush tell me all about it - somehow I can handle it better from him!  Watching Nancy P's speech telling ILLEGALS how un-AMERICAN it was to enforce OUR LAWS was enough punishment for one night!

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

When former senator and

When former senator and presidential candidate George McGovern, firmly ensconced in the left wing, is against card check, that's saying something.  This nobody, Rush-wannabe on the radio is typical of those on the left pushing for more power however they can get it.  I'm sure in the trunk of his car he has his very own gold-embossed, kneecap-dented honorary pipe from the union boss thugs as a gift for doing their dirty work.

Hi Eugenia... Just went

Hi Eugenia...

Just went outside and got me some algoreglobal warming cooling off for a few minutes...

I tell you, what I just watched was mind-blowing, I'm just glad I didn't catch it all...40 minutes or so were plenty.

You made a great point about McGovern...so much is going on now with the dem party, the msm likes to talk about the repub party being split, which they want to happen, they had better be taking a good look at their own house.

Evan Bayh this morning coming out and announcing on Mourning Joe the 'moderate dems' have formed a gang of 12 or more in the Senate to reign in some of this leftist bull (yeah, some are up for reelection too, and they can count on our RINOs) and I see other dems backing away...things aren't so good with the dem party me thinks.

Did anyone catch Pelosi today with a video clip of her in Ca. speaking to legal and illegal immigrants? It is something to behold, just wonder how long they are really going to last?

I'm a union

I'm a union member...AFL-CIO...and I don't like this.

Workers have a right to organize, and they have a right not to join a union.  And they shouldn't be harrassed if they choose not to join.  It is the union's job to encourage people to join by showing how it would be to theirs and their families' benefit if they helped support strong unions.

However, when these unions like the CIO get too big, they're just like the government or the megacorporations they bitch about.  They get greedy, corrupt and forget about the average Joe.  AND they get their hands into politics.  Never fails-it's human nature.

These mega-unions do little for locals.  You can have one CIO local on strike at a facility, and the other locals at the same facility will hardly take notice and keep doing their thing if they're happy with the way things are.

"Right to work" legislation on the other hand is basically union busting.  States (mostly 'up north') that have strong unions have made it so that even non-organized workers have much higher pay than in the largely non-union South.  The financial state of many of these northern states is not due to union corruption so much as Socialist/Democrat tax and spend mentalities.

Surely employers have the right to fire workers, but they don't have the right to treat them unfairly nor to use their positions to mistreat workers.  It's this mentality that's led to sexual harrassment lawsuits and legislation.

We can sit back and say, "Well, these companies are private and they didn't drag people off the street and force them to work for them."  True, but we also forget that these companies go nowhere without their workers.  Philosophically, what would happen if every business closed their doors tomorrow?  Where would the argument be (though one I fundamentally agree with) that comanies don't exist to give people jobs as the country would shut down.

Do private enterprises owe it to the country to exist in the first place?

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Workers have a right to

Workers have a right to organize, and they have a right not to join a
union.  And they shouldn't be harrassed if they choose not to join.

And you know they will be harrassing folks too.

 "Right to work" legislation on the other hand is basically union busting.

I disagree compleatly, This is the only way to make it fair for everyone. Quite honestly, there would be even fewer Union's down here without Right to Work. I have been on 3 different jobs wear the Union either was there already or was trying to get in, all 3 compleat disasters. I will never work for a Union again. 

Surely employers have the right to fire workers,

Yea they should, an employer should not have to deal with employees that do not have their best intrest in mind. And if you dont like the way they do things then go elsewhere. Your choice.

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Ed Schultz is a fool

Of all the things Obama wants to do, this is the worst so far. Imagine giving the agressive Unions a tool like this, going to work will become far more dangerous. We are lucky, we have Right to Work. 

Also, why do the Feds and State workers need Unions? I thought they made the rules? 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

So, if an employer does not

So, if an employer does not want a union shop can he just say no to any contracts?  Or make demands contray to any union demands?  The workers who want a union can either work or walk.  I mean does the employerhave to accept any contract at all?  Just say no.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.