Government Surveillance Now Deemed Necessary - Under Obama

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I'm tempted to notify Ripley's Believe It Or Not! about this, but they might reject it as too far-fetched.

By now you've probably heard the news of blueprints for Marine One, the helicopters used by the president, mysteriously downloaded onto a computer in Iran.

The alarming story was first reported by Rick Earle, an investigative reporter with NBC Pittsburgh affiliate WPXI. Earle described what he uncovered on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show Monday night --

MADDOW: How did these blueprints for Marine One, this other sensitive information about the president's helicopter, end up on a computer abroad?

EARLE:  Well, that's the big question everybody here wants to know and it appears that this company that's based just outside of Pittsburgh here, a company by the name of Tiversa, they monitor these file-sharing networks, these file-sharing programs, and they were able to track this, these blueprints from Marine One, they found them out there on the World Wide Web. They apparently had been downloaded on a computer that was using this file-sharing network. Now those are file-sharing networks like LimeWire, BearShare, those networks that people use routinely to exchange music or videos.

Apparently someone with this defense contracting company was using that program on their computer and those sensitive Marine One documents were somehow downloaded out onto the World Wide Web through this file-sharing network and they wound up traced to this computer in Iran, and that's where this company, Tiversa, found those documents just last week. So it's just an incredible story here.

MADDOW: Do we know that this is something that foreign governments, foreign intelligence agencies, do? That they troll the Internet looking for computers that might have peer-to-peer sharing software on them and therefore might offer access to the files on their hard drives?

EARLE: You know, that's a very good question and that's one we asked general, retired general Wesley Clark. He's also a board member on this, with this company Tiversa and he says, yeah, that's what they do. He says they're out there, perusing these file-sharing programs, looking for sensitive documents such as this, about Marine One. You can find a host of other things out there as well. I mean, we're talking everything from tax returns to any confidential information that you may have on your computer. If you have one of these file-sharing programs on there, it opens everything up on your hard drive to the World Wide Web and people have access to that. So anything can be compromised.

MADDOW: It's one thing to imagine your own personal information, your own personal financial information, even a company's financial information. But this is the blueprints, all the avionics information for Marine One. What did this Internet security company do after they discovered these Marine One files and has the White House had any reaction to this?

EARLE: Well, this Internet security company immediately contacted the federal government and alerted them about what they perceived to be a real big breach of security here. They said they are working with the federal government to get to the bottom of all of this right now. They say they've also been in contact with the Secret Service working on this. Now we called the White House over the weekend when this story broke. We couldn't get a response from them over the weekend but we did talk to them today and they referred us to the Department of the Navy. The Department of the Navy, meanwhile, says they are aware of this and they are looking into this, but again it's a very serious issue here.

And General Clark told us the other day that this is something the government really needs to look at and really needs to clamp down on, whether you monitor this in real time, have someone actually sitting there monitoring these file-sharing programs so you can see what's going out, so you can put a stop to it, or whether you go to the extent of encrypting some of these documents. So there are some ways you can actually prevent this, but (Clark) says the government has to be more diligent when it comes to monitoring this stuff.

MADDOW: Rick Earle, investigative reporter with WPXI in Pittsburgh, congratulations on this scoop, incredible and scary story. Thanks. Have a good night.

Never thought I'd see the day when a prominent Democrat says "the government has to be more diligent when it comes to monitoring this stuff" -- as in, telecommunications.

Same story when George W. Bush was president, this isn't reported as "monitoring." MSNBC would have condemned it as "spying."

Earle's revelation about Clark wanting the government to do more, uh, monitoring, came at the end of the segment, with Maddow not having time to do more than thank him. But before then, Maddow missed her chance to ask obvious questions.

For example, is Tiversa a private contractor working for the government to spy on -- sorry, "monitor" -- file-sharing networks? Is this why Tiversa notified federal authorities when it discovered the security breach, because it is contractually obligated to do so? According to Tiversa's Web site, it provides "intelligence services to corporations, government agencies and individuals."

If Tiversa is a defense contractor (working for the Navy, perhaps?), did its spying/monitoring begin under Bush -- or Obama? Regardless of whether Tiversa is a defense contractor, is the ACLU aware of its shadowy activities? And has anyone considered the potential here for trampling on terrorists' rights?

I'm not surprised by the lapse in Maddow's aversion to surveillance when I remember Marine One's most frequent passenger -- President Obama.


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I'm beginning to wonder if

I'm beginning to wonder if we are in hell.  Can you imagine what this country will be like in four years?  It's going to be a police state under Obama.  

And the MSM will be cheering on the new police state

Because it's "good" for us.  It's finally happened.  The MSM have truly become our PRAVDA.

mm... At this rate it's

mm...

At this rate it's not going to take 4 years. I give it 4 months!

Kill Rush Limbaugh

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

I'm

I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that the Democrats would flip-flop on this issue now that they are in power.

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

Why am I not Surprised.

Why am I not Surprised. The MSM and Democrats constantly complained about the Targeted Surveillance of the Bush Administration while at the same time not being able to demonstrate a single instance of anyone who had been abused by this. Now enter Obama and all of a sudden it is OK to MONITOR EVERYONE on the INTERNET that uses File Sharing Programs. There is only one way to do this because of the very way that these programs work. It will become necessary to actually look into the hard drives of anyone who is connected. These file sharing programs do not send files as easy to recognize data. They are split up into discreet portions which are further broken into packets. It is next to impossible, even with the most powerful super computer, to monitor everything moving on the Internet. They are real good at monitoring targeted sources and such but what has been proposed is actually a massive breach of privacy. I can only hope that General Clark is speaking out of ignorance, if not then truly we will be living in an Orwellian World. Big Brother will really be watching.

I can only hope that this is just more hype than substance, but it has always been my experience that we need to watch out for wrongs committed by those who protest the loudest.

rich, sounds like all information must flow through one filter.

A very LARGE one... bigger than anything ever built.

WWW works with millions of separate pathways.

Here is  0bamas millions of new jobs, monitor all that!

Now OBAMA shall get a NEW helicopter (s)... While shrinking the military, even further. To bad it will take 3-5 years to get it.

P.R.I.N.T. Money   30 sec YT 

Correct

Correct my friend. The only real problem is, even if you could monitor every single bit sent on the Internet, and make no mistake NSA is actually doing this, the ability to reassemble all the data, especially from file sharing programs, is a daunting task. Right now the NSA looks at all electronic based communications that occur outside the U.S. The problem is that a large portion of it runs through U.S. routers and switches. This is what the Democrats were up in arms about. Almost all telecomunications now use Internet Based Protocols, I.E. Packet Based with Intelligent Self Routing. There really is no central control anymore and the result has been a more robust communications network.

This makes any real time monitoring extremely difficult but not impossible. To effectively monitor a world wide communications system sophisticated algorithams are used to look for targeted data either in the headers or the data itself. What has been proposed in the report is the real time monitoring of the Internet of what can only be assumed U.S. sourced communications to insure Classified Information does not cross into unwanted hands. This is not the mandate that the NSA works under. This is a task much more difficult by orders of magnitude. The only logical way to accomplish such a task would be to have a way of monitoring every computer at the source. This is much easier to accomplish and much more intrusive since the data would still be in an assembled format that would make the task possible.

Now if I was a crazy guy...

I could say something like maybe Obama intentionally had those plans slip into enemy hands so he can used that as an excuse to monitor us, you know "for our own safety" but then I would just be that "crazy guy" talking.

 

HC........BINGO!

HC........BINGO!

Strange...Didn't someone in

Strange...Didn't someone in Nazi Germany do the same type of "manufactured" crisis' in the late 30's and early 40's?? And the left thought Bush was Hitler??

You would be referring to the burning of the Reichstag where ...

Hitler's version of BARRKY's RHAMBO orchestrated the fire at the seat of German government and blamed it on the Communists.  This led to a police state and was the catalyst that launched Hitler to DICTATOR status.  Here is a reporter's description of Hitler's reaction at the scene:

At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German
history...This fire is the beginning,"

Don't be so critical.

didn't you see how sad Maddow and her guest looked when they were discussing this.   Oh poor Obama adminstration.  They have been forced into this...IT"S BUSH"S FAULT.

"manufactured" crisis" D4

yep it's the Cloward-Piven strategy comin at ya!

 

 

Obama is a lying POTUS

I'll bet

the NYT is pissed, they could have printed them (citing Freedon of the Press) and scooped Iran. 

rofl dan!

That right there is funny, I don't care who you are

that's news to me

By now you've probably heard the news of blueprints for Marine One, the helicopters used by the president, mysteriously downloaded onto a computer in Iran.

Actually, I haven't. Silly me, I thought that everyone in the world now loves us because Obama is our President.

 

 

These are just the most

These are just the most intellectually DIShonest people.  It never ceases to amaze me how they show no shame for their flip-flopping.  But I guess you can't show what you don't have.

Madcow & Co. ignored CARNIVORE and ECHELON...

...back when Bill and Al were running things:

http://compnetworkin...

What a lying hypocrite Madcow is!

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Don't cry, Miss.

She is nearly in tears , just thinking about what could happen to her Messiah.

 

twirly birds

I am just wondering if anybody actually checked on the New York Times. Has anybody looked to see if they had published the info about the new birds. They would have most likely published while Bush was still POTUS.

What everyone is missing is Obama

 What everyone is missing is Obama was supposed to get a new Marine One .. and then he went into a fiscal stance where he didnt think he needed a new Copter to show how pure he is ... ahhh but now he does need the new version cuz the old one has been compromised

"America is on the Short Bus to Socialism"

Karma

All I know is Karma is Karma, and the left is about to reap all the bad they had unfairly dumped on Bush for eight years just to take the reigns of power. The next four years aren't going to be good for America, but they will be way worse for the lefty socialists..Mr. Maddow better get ready to report a lot of things that don't fit the official talking points...Maybe she'll just get into the tub with Olbergoebbels..............

the government has to be

the government has to be more diligent when it comes to monitoring this stuff.

Yeah, but I bet Maddow or Clark wouldn't say BOO! if the documents were published by the New York Times.

The future under Obama...

"...and remember, Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!"

NYT & WAPO Headlines if this were under Bush Administration:

"Bush Administration Spying On American's Computers"

"Bush Looking Inside Your Computers - Knows What's On Your Hard drives"

"Bush Has Outside Firm Secretly Spying On Americans Without A Court Order"

And you know Keith Obamamann would have his spittle cup at the ready for another of his outraged "Speshel Komments".

 

Change, or Control? The

Change, or Control?

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Rachel

WOW what a dimbulb you are! The parade has been over for at least 7 years. It passed you by that long ago while you were ranting and raving just to hear yourself talk.

Well, of course they need

Well, of course they need to do this!

Haven't you heard about the millions joining the Klan and the neo-Nazis since The One's been elected?

We've got to protect our great country from these types and armed Christianists!

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Where is Senator Leahy on this?...

Where is Senator Leahy on this? He's usually ranting about the abusive treatment of some enemy combatant. What now that Obama's crowd is in charge?

Thalpy...  Excellent

Thalpy...

 Excellent question!

Inquiring minds want answers from Leahy and others like him!