A so-called "Truth Commission" to investigate alleged Bush era crimes is fully warranted, Vermont Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy told Rachel Maddow on her MSNBC show Tuesday night.
After all, President Bill Clinton was investigated for six years, and at a cost possibly in the "hundreds of millions of dollars," after Clinton left office, Leahy asserted.
Yes -- after. Here's what Leahy said in response to a question from Maddow --
MADDOW: During his confirmation hearing, some Republicans tried to get now-Attorney General Eric Holder to promise that he would not prosecute Bush administration officials. I wonder if you've had any discussions about your middle-ground truth commission proposal with your Republican colleagues? If you've had any reaction from them.
LEAHY: Oh I've talked to some. They're saying, oh it would be terrible to investigate a former president's administration. We would never do that. I said, you spent six years doing that for the Clinton administration. You had thousands of hours spent, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars investigating then-former president Clinton. Let's, this makes about as much sense as those who say, well, you know, we voted to get us into this economic mess, we can't vote to get us out of this economic mess. If I was, if I was a cynic, I would say it was hypocritical. But being a kind, benevolent person, I'd say it's just, they're being forgetful.
"Forgetful," Senator? You're soaking in it.
This has to be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in history. Not only was Clinton the subject of numerous investigations while president, Clinton was also, according to Leahy, the target of a major investigation after he left office, one that also cost millions and lasted six years. Heck, what are the odds of that?
Funny thing about this post-Clinton presidency probe, however -- its existence remained hidden until Tuesday when it was publicly revealed for the first time by Leahy on the Maddow show. Maddow, unaware she'd been spoonfed a major bombshell, merely laughed in response.
In case Leahy ever reads this, I'd like to break it to him -- that six-year investigation of Clinton, culminating in his impeachment in the House and Senate trial, occurred while Clinton was president. And the people working at the Maddow show must believe this as well, because while Leahy was speaking, footage was shown that appeared to be of late Chief Justice William Rehnquist presiding over Clinton's trial in the Senate (gee, how did Maddow's producers know to have such specific archival footage ready for Leahy's remarks ...?)
In fact, the independent counsel who succeeded Kenneth Starr, Robert W. Ray, cut a deal with Clinton on Jan. 19, 2001, Clinton's last full day in office. It was the lead story in the New York Times the next day if Leahy would like to see it. I saved my copy, sensing it might come in handy eventually.
When it comes to show trials for Bush junta hooligans, Sen. Leahy, you'll need a more compelling rationale than tit-for-tat in response to the post-Clinton era prosecution of Bubba that never occurred.
And in your tireless pursuit of Truth, you might want to work your way up from accuracy.




















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Nuke Vermont!
February 11, 2009 - 22:18 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhat a sh:tbag hypocrite! Leaky Leahy has some nerve. Idiot.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
If I did what Leahy did
February 11, 2009 - 22:41 ET by BDIf I did what Leahy did with classified material, I would still be making big rocks into little ones at Leavenworth.
If ANYONE needed an investigation, it is Leahy.
No kidding BD!
February 11, 2009 - 22:51 ET by Sergeant ROCKThis guy is a coward and a traitor! Uphold and defend the Constitution my @ss!
If Patrick Henry and the boys were to show up today, yeah.. we'd see some investigations alright... sonsab:tches...
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Not surprisingly,
February 11, 2009 - 22:21 ET by NC Copthe public will never know how full of it Leahy is, because the media certainly isn't going to report it. Let's face it, folks, we've gone the way of Venezuela. Our media might as well work for the government officially, since they have been for quite some time now.
Leaky Leahy is about senile
February 11, 2009 - 22:25 ET by R D HelmThere were no investigations of the Clintonistas once Billy Jeff left office.
This was not a little frustrating on the part of many conservatives, either, including me.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
there will be now.
February 11, 2009 - 22:44 ET by puredmashiea perhaps unintended consequence of the promised investigation of the uss cole attack is digging into slick willie's response to the attack and why it happened on his watch.
swing hard in case you hit it.
I can't believe how they
February 11, 2009 - 22:48 ET by motherbeltI can't believe how they just spout whatever they want, regardless or the truth. I guess they figure at least some people will believe it.
I can't believe this was a slip of Leahy's tongue. Maddow had to know what Leahy was going to talk about; the staff was ready with file footage ahead of time, so they had to know. An there wasn't a single person at MSNBC who knew the truth of the matter and corrected them before they went on the air?
They are shameless; the Democrats who spew this drivel, and the talking heads who let them get away with it.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Come on, Rachel!
February 11, 2009 - 23:04 ET by ToddonCapeCodDo your job, and call him on his bullsh!t, damnit!!
Not calling him on his idiocy makes you look like even a BIGGER idiot!
Maddow's job
February 12, 2009 - 10:38 ET by nkviking75C'mon, Todd, what do you think Maddow is, a journalist?
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Rachel!
February 12, 2009 - 11:18 ET by blazermaniacI didn't know that Rachel has a TV show! Can't be any good if I haven't watched it.
Skepticism
February 11, 2009 - 23:32 ET by KC MulvilleGMTA, for both you and Jack. How did they get that footage up so quickly? It was because, like almost all interviews with friendly politicians, they coordinate ahead of time. Wink, wink.
You guys are nearly as skeptical as I am, and I didn't think that was possible.
I'm not saying the number
February 12, 2009 - 05:48 ET by motherbeltI'm not saying the number was planned, but Leahy also said
You had thousands of hours spent, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds
of millions of dollars investigating then-former president Clinton.
The cost of the Starr investigation started out at being quoted at $26 million and grew to a quote of nearly $80 million. That's hardly "hundreds of millions" but what the heck, Leahy was on a roll.....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Lawrence Walsh
February 12, 2009 - 07:46 ET by Sergeant ROCKRemember that guy? He spent somewhere around $80M and the best he could do was get Oliver North who was pardoned(?).
When you're trying to hang a Republican - cost in no object.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
There have been 900 plus
February 12, 2009 - 10:13 ET by kgThere have been 900 plus investigations of Bush by Waxman and company with absolutely no results. They will keep investigating until the find something, anything. Reminds me of Franken who kept the recounts going and changing votes until he comes out ahead for once and then demands to be seated.
How many millions have been invested in Bush investigations? Plame is another great example by the political Fitzgerald who kept investigating years after the investigation should have been concluded so he could get someone on something to please the Democrats. He even postponed Blago's indictment by many months so it wouldn't hurt Obama.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
And in your tireless
February 11, 2009 - 23:25 ET by TN MomAnd in your tireless pursuit of Truth, you might want to work your way up from accuracy.
Beautiful words Jack, but wasted on a Democrat! Speaking of investigating a president, didn't Fitzgerald mention something about obama's sweet-heart land deal with tony rezko (press announcement on blago arrest), wonder how that's going to turn out?
Ol' Fred Savage wannabe, Maddow
February 11, 2009 - 23:46 ET by thebutlerdiditknows just exactly what happened with Clinton. Leahy knows too, unless Dave's right, and he's just getting senile. I hate to be an "ageinst" as they call it, but we need strict limits on these people, or some sort of mental competency testing done on them, routinely. Who votes for these people? I think it's time to put old Pat out to pasture. In case you don't read Drudge, here's the ratings for this week:
CABLE NEWS RACE
TUES NITE, FEB 11, 2009
VIEWERS
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,494,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,658,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,370,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,305,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,190,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,847,000
CNN KING 1,761,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,485,000
CNN COOPER 1,286,000
CNN BLITZER 1,246,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,240,000
Are there honestly this many people watching Maddow and Olby?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Sorry meant to say "ageist," whatever that really means. : O
February 11, 2009 - 23:49 ET by thebutlerdiditAll a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
TBDI, don't forget that
February 12, 2009 - 09:43 ET by Scuba DudeTBDI, don't forget that some of those numbers of CNN and MSNBC are the good people at NB and MRC who have to watch the drivel those networks put out so we can see the bias and bull being broadcast.
I would think we account for a certain percentage.
What he said.
February 11, 2009 - 23:59 ET by AndanteWhere is Cheney when we need him? Remember this?
Saturday, June 26, 2004
" Vice President Dick Cheney has said he didn't regret cursing at Sen. Patrick Leahy earlier this week, and said he felt better after the incident.
In an interview with Fox News on Friday, Cheney said he was "forcefully" expressing his unhappiness with the conduct of the Democratic senator from Vermont -- who Cheney said had publicly questioned his integrity, and then wanted to be friendly when he saw him in person.
Sources who related the incident to CNN said the vice president had told Leahy either "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself...."
Ah yes, the good old days. I miss Vice President Cheney.
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Bi-partisan
February 12, 2009 - 02:56 ET by LoosMoose>>who Cheney said had publicly questioned his integrity, and then wanted to be friendly when he saw him in person
These days, that is called Obama "bi-partisan"
I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus,....... and lived.
I had a nightmare that Keith Olberman was run over by a bus...
February 12, 2009 - 07:22 ET by urbuggenmeDid it hurt the poor bus?
Orwell's 1984 and Newspeak
February 12, 2009 - 00:29 ET by Lakewood BobLeahy is ,of course, senile and imagines himself living in George Orwell's 1984. The Truth Commission is actually the Ministry of Truth, but Leahy plans to have Bush punished by the Ministry of Love. I will have to read "1984" again to evaluate all the nuanced language of either MadCow or Leaky, but suffice it to say that they both want to be remembered as doubleplusgood duckspeakers. This is considered a valued compliment by the Party.
I had better quit, before you all think I am crazy!
I am going to emulate someone I admire very much and say to
February 12, 2009 - 04:48 ET by Rush FanSenator Patrick Leahy these very deserving words: "go f--- yourself."
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You can fool some of the people all
of the time and all of the people some
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"Barack Obama's demeanor belies the fact that he is who he is. You would never think he's an extremist unless you took seriously who his mentors were." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Don't watch it much, but on
February 12, 2009 - 05:59 ET by RR GOPDon't watch it much, but on one episode of That '70s Show a rather indignant Red (Kurtwood Smith) asked 'President Ford' on a visit to their town basically "how in hell could you have pardoned Nixon?"
I guess given that the show is set in the '70s the Clinton crimes/impeachment was easily avoidable by the Leftist Hollywood writers (or are they merely high school drama kids writing TV show material...I can't help but to wonder).
It's amazing that the American mind can be persuaded to magically skip over a myriad of inconvenient truths...Carter's lousy presidency, Clinton caught lying and a really not-so-great economy, Johnson's failed Great Society, FDR's New Deal-that's still messing us up to this day...
Orwell's Ministry of Truth pales in comparison to the actual MSM of Truth we have in this country.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
I like the idea of a Truth Commission
February 12, 2009 - 07:23 ET by Worriedbecause one will be needed in a few years when the neo-Marxists in the white house get done destroying our nation.
the real man rachel
February 12, 2009 - 09:16 ET by tomolson3Hey Rachel!!! Smell your fingers!!!!!!!
A couple of nights ago...
February 12, 2009 - 10:02 ET by Prester John....Madcow was talking about the California prison fiasco and the release of the 10s of thousands of non-violent offenders.
Her biggest complaint?
The prisons were still going to be at 120% capacity.
Once out the door Please GWB tell the story
February 12, 2009 - 10:45 ET by JIMMY1660THIS PISS POOR EXAMPLE OF A USA LEADER, PAT LEAHY, YES LETS PUT GWB IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WITH NO SECURITY RESTRICTIONS.and ask all the questions of what he happen prior to 9/11 and afterward to keep us safe. lets explain the collapse of the housing market.
let GWB tell who knew what and when, i'm sure the covers will come off like the wizard of OZ.
allow me to Love America
Senator Depends
February 12, 2009 - 16:00 ET by Tom in NCWith no respect intended and to quote a GREAT AMERICAN, Dick Cheney:
"GO F--- YOURSELF"
YOU NO ACCOUNT S.O.B!!!
Tom in NC
February 12, 2009 - 16:46 ET by Rush FanWe think alike. I made exactly the same comment here.
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