Must have been that full moon. Or "fool full moon" as Rachel Maddow stumbled in referring to it.
If the Newseum is accepting suggestions for exhibits, a possibility comes to mind -- the Pantheon of Unfortunate Punditry. First submission -- Maddow's hilarious revisionism of Herbert Hoover on her MSNBC show Friday. I've watched the segment several times, each time in awe at Maddow's supreme confidence, unrivalled since Ted Baxter in his heyday. I plan to preserve it for posterity, to share with my children as a cautionary tale -- This is what happens when a person makes an utter fool of herself in public.
Maddow told of Vice President Dick Cheney visiting Capitol Hill earlier in the week and warning congressional Republicans that if the GOP blocks the auto bailout, "... We will be known as the party of Herbert Hoover forever," according to the Los Angeles Times.
Here's where Maddow kicked into gear, emboldened by the keen awareness that nearly all her viewers and hardly anyone at MSNBC know enough history to refute her assertions --
That's a bad thing! Hoover is a political epithet in bad economic times because his response to the Depression (pause) was to first do nothing and then do stuff that made it worse. The country needed massive federal spending to stimulate demand and keep people working.
Hoover cut spending.The government had an economic responsibility to borrow some money and get credit moving. Hoover picked that awesome time to balance the budget. Everything was going the wrong direction economically, so the government needed to make some big, bold moves in the opposite direction.
Hoover picked that time to proclaim his own impotence, telling Congress in 1930, 'Economic depression cannot be cured by legislative action or executive pronouncement.' (Maddow holds photo of Hoover to her face and mimics him) I'm Herbert Hoover, I can't do anything helpful. How about I hurt the economy some more instead because of my dumb, moralistic, ideologically-driven, ignorant, short-term, self-serving, bad ideas? I'll take this Depression and make it not just good, but great! That's the ticket -- the Great Depression!
What made Maddow's puppetry all the more insipid is that she's been on a tear of late condemning -- you guessed it -- revisionist history, specifically where she sees it emanating from the Bush administration on Iraq. Maddow has apparently decided to fight firefighters with fire, responding to her fantasies of revisionism where none exist and providing examples of the real thing.
For example, her claim that Hoover "cut" spending. By this, Maddow must mean Hoover did not increase federal spending at a rate preferred by liberals, who have resorted to this rhetorical sleight of hand for decades.
But as conservatives and Republicans are well aware, Hoover did the opposite -- he increased spending, and not by a little.
In his book "The Herbert Hoover Story," written by Reader's Digest senior editor Eugene Lyons and published in 1959, Lyons wrote this about Hoover's alleged tightwad tendencies --
He sought to provide jobs through public works; more was spent for this purpose in his administration than in the preceding thirty-six years, including the building of the Panama Canal. (emphasis in the original)
Surely Maddow has heard of at least one of these projects, which bears the name of the man instrumental in initiating it -- the Hoover Dam -- the largest public-works behemoth of the era. Other public projects begun by Hoover include the San Francisco Bay Bridge and the Los Angeles Aqueduct.
How's this for irony? Hoover's response to the stock market crash in 1929 was to call for massive federal spending on public works, which is exactly what Maddow wants Obama to do (though Maddow prefers to fetishize it as "infrastructure," a word she can't utter without squirming in her seat).
In an Oct. 5 article for National Review Online, Jonah Goldberg wrote --
William Leuchtenburg, possibly the greatest authority on the FDR era, wrote some years ago, "Almost every historian now recognizes that the image of Hoover as a 'do-nothing' president is inaccurate."
After the stock market crash in 1929, Hoover browbeat business leaders to keep wages and prices high. He invested heavily in public works projects. He pushed for an international moratorium on debts. He created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which later became a home for many of FDR's Brain Trusters. Hoover increased farm subsidies enormously.
Some of Hoover's interventions were good but ineffectual. A few were very, very bad and very effective.
In 1932, Hoover in effect repealed Calvin Coolidge's tax cuts, increasing the rates for the poorest taxpayers by more than 100 percent and hiking the top rate from 25 percent to 63 percent. Worse, contrary to his own better instincts, Hoover signed the disastrous Smoot-Hawley trade bill that raised protectionist walls at precisely the moment the world needed trade the most.
That Maddow knows little of Hoover is not surprising, despite the fact she earned a doctorate -- in political science at that -- from Oxford. For many liberals, American history starts on March 4, 1933 with Roosevelt's inauguration and FDR uttering the words, "We have nothing to fear ..."
But you'd think their knowledge of history would extend a tad earlier, to include the 1932 campaign and Roosevelt's criticism of Hoover -- as a spendthrift hellbent on enlarging the breadth and cost of goverment. Doing so, however, could prove problematic for liberals' foremost creation myth -- that Hoover caused the Great Depression, "Did Nothing" in response, and Roosevelt rode to the rescue. As mythology goes, this one is Homeric in its longevity and as accurate in its depiction of actual events.
Here's what Roosevelt said in accepting the Democratic presidential nomination --
I know something of taxes. For three long years I have been going up and down this country preaching that government -- federal and local and state -- costs too much. As an immediate program of action we must abolish useless offices. We must eliminate unnecessary functions of government -- functions, in fact, that are not definitely essential to the continuance of government. We must merge, we must consolidate subdivisions of government, and, like the private citizen, give up luxuries which we can no longer afford.
Roosevelt's concern was understandable, given the nation's economic crisis and federal spending under Hoover. As pointed out by former Business Week bureau chief Andrew W. Wilson in a Nov. 4 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, "Five Myths About the Great Depression" --
After declining or holding steady through most of the 1920, federal spending soared between 1929 and 1932 -- increasing by more than 50 percent, the biggest increase in federal spending ever recorded during peacetime.
I mentioned Maddow's commentary to a friend over the weekend, who told me he'd also seen it. That's the perception of Hoover, he sighed, and my friend was right. Just as it was global "perception" for millennia that the world was flat. Agreed, perception often trumps reality in politics, but perception cannot trump truth.
This remains as true today it was in 1774 when a Boston lawyer named John Adams pointed out the stubborn nature of facts while defending British soldiers from an earlier pernicious perception.
Updated by N. Sheppard at 2:50 PM: To confirm what Andrew W. Wilson wrote on November 4, and to demonstrate just how wrong Maddow is about spending under Hoover, all one need do is examine the Historical Tables of the U.S. Budget available at OMB.
What most folks -- especially liberals! -- don't understand today is that prior to the Great Depression, the U.S. government didn't like to spend a lot of money except in times of war. As such, spending declined precipitously in the years following World War I, and then basically remained flat from 1924 through 1928.
Then, contrary to Maddow's assertion, in 1929 spending rose $166 million, or 5.6 percent. This may not seem much, but it was the biggest increase in spending since the end of World War I.
The following year, spending increased $193 million, or 6 percent. In 1931, it increased $257 million, or 7.7 percent. In 1932, it increased $1.08 billion, or 30 percent.
Add it all up, and annual spending increased by almost $1.7 billion dollars or 57 percent while Hoover was President.
Is this what Maddow believes to be a spending cut?




















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IS IT
December 15, 2008 - 14:19 ET by MillerTimeWarpMad Cow Disease OR Maddow Disease ?
Ms Albright
December 15, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Spinningplates2She is holding up a picture of Ms Albright not Hoover.
Whoever the picture is of,
December 15, 2008 - 15:07 ET by kgWhoever the picture is of, it is an improvement and the suit jacket (minus the sports bra) fits better. Maddow and Olbermann are the only two reporters that have ever used squeaky, retarded voices when pretending to quote those they are slamming. As juvenile as they sound it seems to not bother them.
Too bad they won't compress the Maddow/Olbermann/Matthews/Shuster comedy team into just a comedy hour.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Obama's New Deal will sweep Repubs back in
December 15, 2008 - 14:48 ET by Mica the MagnificentOn the front page of the Nov 10, 1938 NY Times is the headline:
"Coalition in Congress to Halt the New Deal Urged as the Republicans Appraise Victory, Gain 80 in House, 8 in Senate, 11 Governors"
The sub-heading read: "Taxpayers Revolt, Democrats Admit Loss of Former Enthusiastic Backers of the New Deal"
History, I'm sure, will repeat itself
Clinton - was first linked to Hoover.
December 15, 2008 - 15:21 ET by Gary HallLong before our MSM began casting President Bush as a Hoover clone (noting they don't understand the history anyway), a much loved by the MSM socialist leaning economist, by the name of Dean Baker, CEPR, stuck the label on the Clintonesque era:
MSM quotes Baker all the time - but not when he speaks of the Clinton era, and he continues to pound on the Clinton record.
delete
December 15, 2008 - 15:39 ET by motherbeltdelete
What is History ... really?
December 15, 2008 - 16:04 ET by AJBHistory is the ability to get the facts you want in the history books to advance your agenda. History is VERY subject to being turned into propaganda. Its not until the political philosophy changes that they go back and clean up the lies (if at all).
Case in point. We were all taught in our state sponsored public education that business was the cause of the great depression. Business failed. If it wasn't for the savior FDR, America would have collapsed.
Along comes Milton Friedman in the 70's and wrote about the 10 greatest economic myths. This was the first myth he debunked. The Great Depression was caused by government, plain and simple. In the same year, the government cut the money supply in half and quardupled income taxes. That left businesses starved for investment capital. Instead of hiring and increasing output, they were scrounging for money to keep doors open as all their free capital was being sent to the government. According to Friedman, what would have been a 'garden variety recession' (as it was in most of other industralized countries) was turned into the Great Depression by the government.
And, it wasn't the policies of the great socialist, FDR that saved us. It was World War II--the old guns for butter arguement.
Sounds like the libs are still at it--trying to save their sick and twisted version of history for future generations. Sad part--they will probably succeed. God save America from the liberal left!
FDR Made the Depression
December 15, 2008 - 16:17 ET by mattmFDR Made the Depression Worse
Maddow needs to read "America's Great Depression"
December 15, 2008 - 16:18 ET by PopularTechIt clearly destroys the Herbert Hoover as a do nothing president myth.
America's Great Depression (PDF) (368 pgs) (Murray Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Thanks for the update, Noel
December 15, 2008 - 16:29 ET by Jack ColemanIlluminating additional info and a link to a great resource. Anyone expecting a correction from Maddow has a long wait.
Jack
December 15, 2008 - 22:34 ET by Noel SheppardJack,
My pleasure my friend! Great work on your part. Spectacular!!! ns
Lame Duck?
December 15, 2008 - 16:38 ET by capavMaddow (like Matthews and Olbermann) has a little segment about the "Lame Duck" President. Let's title all of her inaccuracies "Lame Dyke".
Har
December 15, 2008 - 16:59 ET byExtremely clever. Put something in your bio I can use to make fun of you. Or do you prefer to throw rocks anonymously? Nah...that would be cowardly.
Colemine1210
What fun?
December 15, 2008 - 17:07 ET by cocodrieHer thinking is lame and she is what she is.
Extremely clever - Yes it
December 15, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Dan The Man 2Extremely clever - Yes it was humorous, something you apparently excised from your life. Liten up.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Colemine...the reader,
December 15, 2008 - 17:53 ET by bigtimerColemine...the reader, writer and thinker is just a little troll.
Period.
...but he's a professional...just like his bio says.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Wow!
December 15, 2008 - 16:41 ET by thebutlerdiditI am stunned. Even with my weak knowledge of Am. History and Economics, I find this shockingly stupid. On so many levels. Not only is she factually ignorant, the childish voices? I must be the only one who hasn't ever watched this tripe, because I have never seen "real grownups" do this. And, is it just me, but is she speaking on an elementary school level of comprehension? I was shocked when she said "and stuff." Stuff? This is a way to describe his actions? Gee, why not just say, "and like" "for sure" "and kinda" as part of this silly show? Or does she do that on other episodes? I think this is a show for children, and it got bumped from Disney.
Childish screech owl
December 15, 2008 - 18:27 ET by needleUp until now I have never heard Maddow – watching the video clip was my first encounter with her. What intrigues me is the way she talks. Is childish ranting, with childish language and elocution, her normal stock and trade? If so, it is ironic that she apparently has been given a big presence on MSNBC. I wonder how many of those at MSNBC, and those of her regular viewers, castigate Sarah Palin because Governor Palin does not always speak with an Eastern Middle-Upper Class English linguistic style? Linguistically and otherwise I prefer Sarah Palin to this childish screech owl any day.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Maddow Plagarism
December 15, 2008 - 18:21 ET by Kirk TurnerActually, Maddow plagarized this technique of holding a head on a stick and speaking as if you are a famous person from "Pardon the Interruption," an ESPN show with Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon. They've been doing it for years as sports figures. Of course, this plagarism highlights the lack of original ideas among Maddow and her ilk.
Heck, I could put a stick head of George McGovern in front of my face (if I were a plagarizer) and satirize Maddow, but Kornheiser and Wilbon do it so much better than rank amateurs such as Maddow and me.
A little research for Rachel
December 15, 2008 - 18:46 ET by nkviking75Ol' Rach ought to read the biography of Hoover on the website of his presidential library. It will quickly become clear that Hoover did not sit around and do nothing. Whether or not he did the right thing, it's pretty obvious he was anxious, perhaps desperate, to solve the country's econonomic problems.
Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!
It is now the liberal SOP to tell lies often
December 15, 2008 - 19:00 ET by c5thenAnd to call those who challenge the lies names and hurl epithets at them.
The problem with increasing Federal spending in an economic down turn is that the money has to come from the economy and thus serves to make the problems worse. In 1930 most of the Federal budget came from import taxes and corporate taxes. Therefore the increased spending resulted in higher taxes and less less imports and businesses who had to curtail hiring to pay the extra taxes. More federal spending equals less jobs. Today we just borrow it from China and print more dollars which will cause inflation which is an indirect tax on the people who can least afford it.
Government is not the answer. It is usually part of the problem.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Yep! Liberal tells a
December 15, 2008 - 19:05 ET by Clear thinkerYep!
Liberal tells a lie.. it's truth.
Conservative tells the truth.... it's a damnable lie.
Our country is being taken over by those that I despise.
The Monster Of Government In N.C.
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
But is it really a "lie"?
December 15, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Arminius"If newspapers can do nothing but lie, they will at least lie in the interest of the state, which, according to the philosophy of statism, is not lying at all." - Richard Weaver, Consequences Ideas Have
I don't have a doctorate
December 15, 2008 - 20:04 ET by WorriedI don't have a doctorate from Oxford but I'd think someone that did would try to spin her liberal thought a little better when trying to explain Hoover's legacy. Sounds pretty simple to me: what Hoover did is exactly what The One has promised to do throughout his entire campaign.
Maddow and her viewers = Morons.
That's OK Worried
December 15, 2008 - 20:12 ET by cocodrieThis little bit of lunacy was by Rachel Maddow AKC of MSNBC. It all fits together well.
A couple of maxims:
December 15, 2008 - 20:07 ET by JerA couple of maxims:
1.) If a political, social, or economic calamity of sufficient magnitude and complexity occurs such that the causes thereof resist definitive explanation or reasonable certitude, virtually any conclusion may be stated and plausible theories produced to support it. Perhaps no other historical event demonstrates this more aptly than does the Great Depression: Hoover did or didn't cause it, FDR did or didn't make it worse/better, neither was/both were responsible, etc.
2.) At NewsBusters, no matter when such national catastrophe occurs, and regardless of who, or which party, is in power...always blame a Democrat.
Jer
uh jer
December 15, 2008 - 20:17 ET by porpoiseboywhen has a catastrophe of the magnitude of the great depression happened recently so that the fine folks here at nb COULD blame the dims? please explain dimwit.
"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
uh flipper...
December 15, 2008 - 20:25 ET by Jeruh flipper...
you have to ask nicely.
Jer
The Federal Reserve, Hoover and FDR caused The Great Depression
December 16, 2008 - 09:23 ET by PopularTechApparently you missed my posts as I clearly placed blame with Hoover but not because he did nothing but because he was an progressive who interfered in the economy:
America's Great Depression (PDF) (368 pgs) (Murray Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Hoover's Attack on Laissez-Faire (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate (UCLA)
How FDR Made the Depression Worse (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
My apologies, PT... I'll
December 16, 2008 - 15:02 ET by JerMy apologies, PT...
I'll amend my second maxim to "always blame a Democrat or a RINO".
Jer