In a clear attempt to smear Miss California Carrie Prejean for promoting traditional marriage, a photo hardly as suggestive as many lingerie ads was released on the Internet on May 4. The caption for the picture that appeared on The Dirty.com clearly showed that the intent was to embarrass and discredit Prejean for her view on the issue of same-sex marriage:
"Exclusive: Self-proclaimed bible thumper Miss California, Carrie Prejean, should start pointing the finger at herself for her own indiscretions. TheDirty.com has received exclusive images of the homophobic debutante that would clearly strip her of her Miss California crown. So much for being a good role model for the state of California Carrie. Looks like your Dirty photo shoot makes you a sinner too. I decided."
Celebrity blogger and gay activist Perez Hilton, who precipitated the controversy by questioning Prejean about gay marriage while he was judging last month's Miss USA pageant, also posted the photo on his blog and taunting: "The Lord works in mysterious ways! Opposite marriage advocate Miss California, Carrie Prejean, topless and in some cute pink panties. Is that biblically correct????"
Prejean responded in a statement released to the media on May 4:
"I am a Christian, and I am a model. Models pose for pictures, including lingerie and swimwear photos. Recently, photos taken of me as a teenager have been released surreptitiously to a tabloid Web site that openly mocks me for my Christian faith. I am not perfect, and I will never claim to be."
Miss California continued to say that these are intimidation tactics being used to undermine her reputation and silence her beliefs. After signing on as spokesman for the National Organization for Marriage and saying "I'm going to do whatever it takes to protect marriage," these photos were released.
Maggie Gallagher, President of the National Organization for Marriage, also responded, stating in a press release that "Because Carrie honestly said what she believed in answer to a question--marriage is the union of a man and a woman-- she is now the subject of ongoing character assassination. The level of hatred directed at her is astonishing."
After the April 19 pageant Hilton said "Miss California lost because she's a dumb b---h," and had plenty of other insults for her. Hilton continued to use this as a platform to promote gay marriage.
Hilton and Prejean's other tormenters haven't explained how the photos are in any relevant to her (respectfully stated) belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Even though a majority of Californians and even President Obama agree with Prejean, she has become a convenient target for the hatred and bitterness of many on the left.



















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We must always watch
May 5, 2009 - 14:06 ET by Dan The Man 2We must always watch ourselves as we are human and prone to sin as we were sinners when we were born. We Christians are not perfect just forgiven, but idiots like Hilton Perez dont understand that because if they did they would be Christians.
You know what?
May 5, 2009 - 21:27 ET by Joe BlogsCarrie's hot.
Wow those gays are a
May 5, 2009 - 14:06 ET by HockeyKidWow those gays are a vicious bunch. It's good to know they're well-read on the Scriptures, though.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
These leftists are pathetic
May 5, 2009 - 14:12 ET by Richard RomanoThese leftists are pathetic -- they will do anything to discredit anyone who opposes them.
What's maddening is that she posed for lingerie photos when she was a teen. So what? What the hell does this have to do the ability to hold to a particular belief regarding marriage?
Leftists are the masters of non sequiturs.
the left is not known for
May 6, 2009 - 09:20 ET by TruthMongerthe left is not known for its logic my friend
government is the communists capitalism
vicious is right
May 5, 2009 - 14:30 ET by SickofLibsDoesn't take much to piss off a militant homosexual these days - or to create one. They go right for the jugular (no pun intended) and the character assassination.
I wish they'd just go back to dressing up and marching in parades and get out of our faces.
If someone came up with some compromising photos of P. Hilton (blechh), he'd be an even bigger "hero."
Dittos on the vicious, SoL
May 5, 2009 - 14:47 ET by BlondeOh, this is just grand. A bunch of militant queers taking off after a young woman who posed in lingerie.
Are we going to take this kind of cultural assault from these people? They need to shut up.
WARNING: Very Graphic Content....source is Zombie Time.
I hope he fails, too.
I saw this on Morning Joe
May 5, 2009 - 15:09 ET by motherbeltI saw this on Morning Joe this AM and said to my husband they are going to try to destroy her now.
Ms. Prejean said nothing about anyone's "indescretions." She simply stated her view. They are out to destroy her just for saying that she believes marriage is between a man and a woman. That's all. She didn't call them evil, or perverts, or any thing else.
They are trying to intimidate into silence anyone who might think of disagreeing with them.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
Exactly.
May 5, 2009 - 15:21 ET by BlondeAnd it's time for it to stop. Here and now.
The tactics are vile, and I suspect, will blow up in their faces.
I hope he fails, too.
i suspect it will not blow
May 6, 2009 - 09:24 ET by TruthMongeri suspect it will not blow up on their faces - as usual these days...
government is the communists capitalism
mb...Intimidate indeed...I
May 5, 2009 - 15:22 ET by bigtimermb...
Intimidate indeed...I am sick and tired of it...I, for one, am very glad people are not backing down with this tactic.
Backfire is going to happen with all these people going after our freedom of speech.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Blonde...
May 5, 2009 - 15:23 ET by SickofLibsI am so not clicking that link! I did it once when it came out; still burned into my retina.
Those SF freakazoids make NYC's gay Halloween Parade look like a Mormon gathering.
I know...hence the Warning!!!
May 5, 2009 - 15:39 ET by BlondeShocking stuff, I know, but THAT is what these militant homosexuals are fighting tooth, claw, and nail to have accepted as normal and perfectly ordinary. Their gay-marriage gambit is merely the first step. Perez Hilton and his gay pal on MSNBC aren't fooling anyone.
The promotion by the MsM of the gay-marriage as normal and ordinary is just plain wrong....yet they continue to tell the lie.
I apologize for your retina burn, but for those who argue "what's it to you" in regard to our opposition to gay-marriage.....and you know we get alot of them here, I wanted to show them. Not only do we object, HELL YES, we object.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde
May 5, 2009 - 15:49 ET by MrShyWhat's so wrong with saying it loud and saying it proud?
I never miss a single "Hetero Pride Parade", where men and women expose their genitalia and huddle together outside performing felacio and group sex.
:)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Blonde
May 5, 2009 - 15:39 ET by MrShyThat link? Sharing is NOT caring on this one.
:p
(think you or someone, sadly, pointed it to me one time before... yikes...)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Miss California meet Joe the Plumber
May 5, 2009 - 14:13 ET by dark_dsMiss California meet Joe the Plumber ......PCism and attacks on those who are critical of the "One" are insidious .... scary stuff ... I have had the race card thrown at me twice because I am against the policies of the "One"
_______ Him and the Unicorn he rode in on
Only twice???
May 5, 2009 - 14:33 ET by SickofLibsYou gotta try harder!
Differing viewpoints
May 5, 2009 - 14:14 ET by Lord ErondConservatives: I am a sinner but I will believe in God to try and better myself
Liberals: There's no point in trying to believe in God to better yourself. Stop wasting your time.
The militant homosexual agenda in this country could try the patience of Job. Maybe they should move to Iraq and get a taste of what real persecution and intolerance is like.
"They'll know we were right in the end"
-Harry Potter, The Order of the Phoenix-
Libs only LOVE, is to tear down,destruction is their namesake
May 5, 2009 - 14:15 ET by upcountrywaterChristians aren't perfect, they just know someone who is.
Reagan VS 0bama
The thing that also irritates the S-P's about this
May 5, 2009 - 14:18 ET by Lord ErondThey didn't want anyone to have a chance to slip some traditional Christian beliefs in during their airtime. They're PO'ed because they didn't have the chance to censor her.
"They'll know we were right in the end"
-Harry Potter, The Order of the Phoenix-
I don't think this has
May 5, 2009 - 14:21 ET by HeaterManI don't think this has anything to do with the liberal media - it's just a loudmouth pursuing the Hollywood Agenda by character assassination. What's really funny is that in screaming about this woman, Perez Hilton has made her more well-known than the actual "winner" of the pageant! He's going to make her STAR!
There's no limit
May 5, 2009 - 14:23 ET by pbthinkerThere's no limit to the hatred of the left, and the assistance of the media in promulgating it. I saw a story on this earlier and the Today show was doing their best to help.
So where is the left, when it comes to feminism? They got ugly with Sarah Palin and now this. Apparently, the woman's movement will only protect women that think a certain way, sort of like Stepford Feminists!!!
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
That's a dirty photo?
May 5, 2009 - 14:45 ET by DarasenSaw the image did not think it classified as particularly dirty.
I would think that a group of sexual deviants would have a better grasp of the
term.
Of course the statement includes the normal homosexual
agenda rhetoric by throwing the word “homophobic” at anyone who disagrees with them.
The point is not so much
May 5, 2009 - 15:25 ET by CamelopardalisThe point is not so much that it's a dirty photo, but that she is a practicing Christian and it (obviously) counters her beliefs. Regardless of what you believe, the majority of people who are against same-sex marriage have a problem with it because of their religious beliefs. Gay-rights activists believe that bans on same-sex marriage is because others want to impose their religious beliefs on them. So, you can see why these pictures would make Prejean look like a hypocrite because she is against gay marriage (in her case, due to her faith) yet doesn't seem to practice tenets of her faith.
I am also against gay marriage for religious reasons (I voted YES on Prop 8 in CA) but I have to admit that Prejean is looking sort of like a hypocrite right now. Whether this is fair or not, well, that's up for grabs.
Camelo: I'm in agreement
May 5, 2009 - 16:00 ET by QueenMumCamelo: I'm in agreement with your point. I certainly think it stinky of P. Hilton et al to continue this campaign of character assassination. But the photo is pretty revealing and not at all appropriate for a young woman in the eyes of many Christians. I don't personally hold it against Prejean or think it should be cause for calling for her to relinquish her Miss California crown. But it provides pretty legitimate ammunition for Hilton. JMO
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
It is hard to smear someone
May 5, 2009 - 16:31 ET by CamelopardalisIt is hard to smear someone like Hilton, who has no claim of moral values.
Exactly,
May 5, 2009 - 18:08 ET by QueenMumExactly, Camelo.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
I think people, Christian
May 5, 2009 - 16:23 ET by ckc1227I think people, Christian or not, who equate a glamour shot with gay marriage are reaching.
By the way, did Ms. Prejean ever say it was against her religious beliefs to pose for photographs? If she didn't, and if she doesn't believe it is, she isn't a hypocrite on this issue, is she?
That's hardly a glamor
May 5, 2009 - 16:29 ET by balboaThat's hardly a glamor shot.
And how does Ms. Prejean get to decide what her religious beliefs are? I thought the bible decided that? It seems there's a contradiction between what she chooses to follow.
I just love how every time
May 5, 2009 - 16:33 ET by TheGingermanI just love how every time the hardcore right gets behind a torch-bearer for their cause, that person is promptly exposed for the hypocrite they really are.
Happens every time. I almost feel bad for them.
Ted Haggard is still my favorite fall from grace. He'll be tough to top.
hypocrits?
May 5, 2009 - 16:49 ET by candanceYou mean hypocrits like Elliot Spitzer?
Hypocrisy happens on every side.
Good thing you agree with Perez Hilton so you'll never have to know how it feels to be culturally bullied into silence.
Candance, Spitzer is
May 6, 2009 - 10:14 ET by TheGingermanCandance,
Spitzer is indeed a hypocrite. Just seems to happen much more with the religious people. More room for hypocrisy when you try to strictly adhere to the teachings of an old book.
As for Perez, I've explicitly stated that I don't agree with his behavior and I find him to be a repulsive slob.
Doesn't change the fact that Miss California has been exposed as an empty shell. All words, no substance.
I was even thinking last night...aren't breast implants sinful in nature? Aren't they indicative of a sinful level of pride and envy? What would Jesus say about breast implants or plastic surgery in general?
Seems to me, that much like the Joe the Plumber insanity, the hardcore right finds someone with a slogan, follows them like sheep, touts them as a new leader of the group, only to be disappointed when it turns out that person is full of hot air.
It's sad.
I notice nobody responded to your usual tirade against
May 6, 2009 - 18:35 ET by pahuberChristians.
Go figure you bigot.
→ Show of hands
May 5, 2009 - 19:24 ET by Cool ArrowHow many in this blog knew who the heck Ted Haggard was before he got exposed.
I didn't even know he existed.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Hey, Cool One
May 5, 2009 - 19:34 ET by QueenMumI think Ginger meant Merle Haggard. ;)
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
→ Branded man
May 5, 2009 - 19:40 ET by Cool ArrowYeah, that's it.
Are the good times really over for good?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool, Ted Haggard was
May 6, 2009 - 10:10 ET by TheGingermanCool,
Ted Haggard was huge before he got busted. What are you talking about?
Everyone on this blog knew who he was. He was the head of the NAE (approx. 30 million members) for 3 years!! He was a rock star in the evangelical community...
He was instrumental in the strong evangelical support for Bush in 2004. He even had direct access to Bush. Spoke to him on a regular basis.
Haggard was famous. Haggard was the leader. To pretend otherwise is to be purposefully ignorant.
Still my favorite fall from grace of all time. It literally couldn't have been more hilarious.
Sorry, I love taking the chance of laughing at you. Everyone
May 6, 2009 - 18:41 ET by pahuber"knew who he was"...
Uh... no.
Have you sought help yet for your dementia?
Speaking of hypocrisy
May 5, 2009 - 21:55 ET by UnsaneYou mean like Tim Geithner?
You know, the guy who will steal from others on your behalf? For as we all know, you cannot survive without stealing money from others who actually go out an EARN it like the Leftist parasite that you are.
The guy who will be stealing money from the productive in this country on orders from His Majesty The Shahinshah, who himself doesn't feel like paying his own taxes?
Like THAT hypocrite?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Ugh
May 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by AmaliaI always love it when some pathetic, worthless liberal screws up.
Everyone in Hollywood is liberal, so every time some liberal actor is
caught up in some sordid scandal, I think 'finally, they'll get their
just desserts'. Every time a politician like Clinton, Edwards or
Spitzer screws up I think 'finally, now they'll be disgraced - couldn't
have happened to a better person'. I greatly enjoyed the whole
impeachment circus back in the '90s, although we evil Rethugs could
have done much more to ensure that Clinton's reputation would be
utterly destroyed, but I am over all satisfied with the excellent hit
job we did. Now his presidency won't be remembered without bringing
all that up.
So for every single Christian screw up, I will remember that at
least one other liberal has done pretty much the same, perhaps worse,
because liberals such as yourself are disgusting cretins with
absolutely no morals whatsoever.
I shudder to think of what disgusting, uncivilized things a lowlife like you will be getting up to this Saturday night.
Come on, we know she's
May 5, 2009 - 16:30 ET by CamelopardalisCome on, we know she's Christian and I know enough that most Christian authorities would say that the pictures are highly immodest to say the least.
The thing is that when you claim a faith, even if you aren't a good Christian, Jew, Muslim, whatever, that people will judge you on your beliefs and call 'hypocrite' the first chance they get. It is probably their own insecurities, but still, that's how life tends to be these days.
→ You're right Giraffe
May 5, 2009 - 19:29 ET by Cool ArrowWe rightly call Barack Obama a whitey hater because of the religion he followed for 20 years.
Thank you for that bit of enlightenment.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Overly-emotional and completely incoherent
May 5, 2009 - 14:47 ET by krendlerI promise you, smear campaigns like these and conduct like Perez Hilton's are hurting their cause. Apologies in advance but I'm more or less a shoulder-shrugger on the whole gay marriage thing. Generally, not that big of a deal to me one way or another. But after watching how these a-holes treat people with different opinions, I'd be elated to vote FOR a BAN on gay marriage in my state, just to piss off these immature, "aggrieved" little tantrum throwers.
From the piece:
Self-proclaimed bible thumper Miss California, Carrie Prejean, should
start pointing the finger at herself for her own indiscretions.
TheDirty.com has received exclusive images of the homophobic debutante
that would clearly strip her of her Miss California crown.
Gee, must have missed it: When did Miss CA point her finger at someone's "indiscretions"? Someone asked her about her position on gay marriage...and she responded. Period.
Oh, and she's homphobic? That makes The Exalted Liberal Icon, Barack Obama, homophobic as well.
Keep chasing your tails, libs.
Do we know for sure that
May 5, 2009 - 14:48 ET by balboaDo we know for sure that "The Left" did this? Sure it wasn't someone just looking for money? Any chance?
Our Balboa - always
May 5, 2009 - 15:00 ET by Chris NormanOur Balboa - always looking for the less obvious alternative explanation - even if it goes against all history.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Not less obvious, "less
May 5, 2009 - 15:05 ET by balboaNot less obvious, "less politically paranoid."
Oh, Berrrrrother....
May 5, 2009 - 15:56 ET by Chris NormanBalboa, with all the liberal bias that's been documented here (that you refuse to admit or acknowledge) and with the recent history of the absolutely vicious personal attacks against this woman who dared, in the mildest of terms, to disagree with the "gay" agenda, you still have the breathtaking nerve to write everything off as political paranoia? At the risk of setting you off with an extreme comparison, I think if you had lived in Germany during Hitler, you may have told the Jews, "Hey, how do you know these guys want to kill you? Maybe you're just being paranoid".
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
That's right, fella. I drink
May 5, 2009 - 16:03 ET by balboaThat's right, fella. I drink some of the Kool-Aid offered here, and some of it is good stuff. But I'd like some kind of verification of who leaked this before just assuming that it was "The Left." There are PLENTY of other motivations for wanting to publicize racy photos of Miss California besides political.
Oh come on, Balboa. Read
May 5, 2009 - 16:46 ET by Chris NormanOh come on, Balboa. Read the text that goes along with the release - calling the woman a "bible thumper" and a "homophobe" is hardly the language of a web site devoted to the sheer making of money and I doubt that there's some radical far right gay organization out to destroy her. You can do better than that.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
You do realize the release
May 5, 2009 - 16:58 ET by TheGingermanYou do realize the release was written by a lone blogger who makes a career off of inflammatory stories right?
Hardly a concerted effort by 'the left' to smear the girl.
I don't care if it was one
May 5, 2009 - 17:06 ET by Chris NormanI don't care if it was one blogger or an orgy of bloggers - the language used marks that person as being on the left. I will wager that tonight, Showbiz Tonite on HLN runs with the pictures to smear the woman as they have with their vendetta against Palin. Don't split hairs with us - it doesn't work.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Allow me to clarify
May 5, 2009 - 21:50 ET by timotheWe who have examined the media for some time know where this slip of the picture will lead, and that's why we (correctly) identified the source as "The Left".
Watch what happens in the next 72 hours as these pictures are shown and reshown over and over again on various news media and entertainment media outlets. (I didn't see them myself, but they'll cover the parts necessary to tell the story.) The slandering and besmirching of this woman (and her Christian faith) has just begun.
"Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance."
I was talking more about the
May 5, 2009 - 17:15 ET by balboaI was talking more about the person that gave the photos to the website. The people behind the site are most likely left-leaning, but I don't think they're reason for posting the pictures is politically motivated. They know she's a hot topic, they know racy pics will drive traffic
Yes, Balboa. And Obama ran
May 5, 2009 - 17:23 ET by Chris NormanYes, Balboa. And Obama ran for president because he liked the food at the White House.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Balboa, by the way, why
May 5, 2009 - 17:30 ET by Chris NormanBalboa, by the way, why would you split hairs about the person who gave the pictures to the web site? This post clearly is about the web site that publicized them. Were you deliberately trying to obfuscate the issue? If a person shoots someone he hates and his name was posted here, would you protest that the person who sold the guy the gun didn't hate the person who was killed? What in the heck was your point?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I made the distinction
May 5, 2009 - 17:38 ET by balboaI made the distinction because the release of these photos is usually a two-party process. And unless there's better info than Iris' say-so, I'd bet that money is a more likely reason for their appearance than politics.
The step to which you tried
May 5, 2009 - 18:30 ET by Chris NormanThe step to you tried to bring attention to is totally irrelevent. It's the fact that it's in the media now. Next stop, Showbiz Tonight.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
For EIGHT stinking years
May 5, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Paul Atreideswe heard nothing but "our dissent is being taken away," "this president has a you-are-either-with-us-or-against-us mentality," and the "chill wind of free speech being taken away;" that was coming from the left and was nothing but projection. The left is nothing but a bunch of fascists just waiting to silence any and all difference of opinion.
Remember that the next time some candidate says he/she will reach across the aisle if elected.
These filthy leftists stop
May 5, 2009 - 14:53 ET by bigtimerThese filthy leftists stop at nothing... they never will.
A big waste of time...but not in their little minds.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I have seen racier pics in magazines in my doctor's office
May 5, 2009 - 14:55 ET by R D HelmThis is the tactic of the fascist statists who now run this country, and who will tolerate no dissent.
If you speak out against anyone they already control, such as flaming homo-fascists like Perez Hilton, they will try and find a way to discredit, and ultimately, destroy you.
Look at what they did to Joe the Plumber, Rush Limbaugh and many others.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Can you come up with more
May 5, 2009 - 14:53 ET by ConservativeRexCan you come up with more information on these folks that are trying to railroad this young lady? E-Mails, home phones, addys? Anything?
It's time to fight fire with fire. She needs our help, now. We can't turn our back on her. You don't have to stand up for much, but you've got to stand.
In the future, any help along these lines would go a long way to slowing this kind of crap down. Just let us handle it. But we could use a hand for a starting point.
What are they going to do? Call us haters? BFD.
Vagina Envy
May 5, 2009 - 14:58 ET by slickwillie2001This is all about Perez Hilton's vagina-envy, nothing more. He needs professional help to work out his anger issues.
I'm sorry but...
May 5, 2009 - 15:12 ET by Lord Erond..a homosexual like Perez Hilton is just past the point of ridiculous. He's such a bleeding stereotype a la Nathan Lane in The Bird Cage. How are we supposed to not laugh at this twit? I am having a hard time taking a man who performs oral sex on another man seriously. Carrie just needs to continue laughing at this intolerant moron.
"They'll know we were right in the end"
-Harry Potter, The Order of the Phoenix-
Wow!
May 5, 2009 - 15:20 ET by dharris1214This article is great! We need more writers like Ms. Iris. I used to think NewsBusters was more satire and comedy, but with individuals like Ms. Iris I can see lots of potential in the news market!
Perhaps, Iris could start a daily article with her opinions? Give us more!
Yoo hoo? Anything to say, Donald? Anything at all?
May 5, 2009 - 15:43 ET by SickofLibsAny guess on when Prejean will get canned as Miss California? I think it's inevitable. Same with her runnerup title. I give it no more than 2 weeks tops, as the goon squad is going to continue ratcheting this up till the cave-in occurs.
What is really despicable, tho, is BIGMOUTH TRUMP'S self-imposed media blackout on these crazed attacks on this woman. All he could manage to come up with was her getting that question "was a bit unlucky." HE hired Hilton, and if Prejean did not get that question, Hilton would have sprung it on another contestant, with maybe the same result, maybe not. His whole "career" is based on ambushing people, mocking the crap out of them and then profiting from it - you have to be moron to not know that by this time! Screw him.
Pornography
May 5, 2009 - 15:44 ET by StewMcKinPornography defined:
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see that this photo is anything but as defined here.
Speak for yourself,
May 5, 2009 - 15:51 ET by QueenMumSpeak for yourself, Stew.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Apparently I already am.
May 5, 2009 - 15:56 ET by StewMcKinApparently I already am. Everyone else is falling in lockstep behind her on this one. I'm finding it difficult to find even one person who sees the contradiction.
Stew: See my post further
May 5, 2009 - 16:03 ET by QueenMumStew: See my post further above. My comment to you was meant to be sarcastic. I personally was not "excited" by the photo. Never mind. :(
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Sorry about that. I just
May 5, 2009 - 16:06 ET by StewMcKinSorry about that. I just read your comments after my last post. Agreed. I should have known better coming from you.
On the other hand, the site claims to have more revealing photos, so it's probably premature to make any judgement at this time.
I'm with you on this also.
May 5, 2009 - 16:34 ET by CamelopardalisI'm with you on this also.
porn???
May 5, 2009 - 16:10 ET by SickofLibsIf that's pornography to you, you obviously lead a very sheltered life.
It's a very tame glamour shot. But hey, if that qualifies one for personal destruction and loss of title, have at it!
If it falls within the rules
May 5, 2009 - 16:14 ET by StewMcKinIf it falls within the rules of disqualification in the competition, then I guess she should be disqualified. I couldn't really care any less about her status in a beauty contest.
You know, I personally don't
May 5, 2009 - 17:47 ET by SickofLibsYou know, I personally don't care if she is disqualified (she may care). It's a fairly worthless, fleeting thing anyway.
What I do care about is the mischaracterizations of "bible thumping" and the personal attacks to push an agenda shared by a minority of citizens at this time.
It would be a fleeting
May 5, 2009 - 17:53 ET by bigtimerIt would be a fleeting thing is it wasn't for the leftist in the msm with their constant agenda...it gets so danged old when they go on and on, Trump and Perez have to be loving all this attention.
I'm sick of it all myself.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
You know you really can't
May 5, 2009 - 17:59 ET by StewMcKinYou know you really can't talk about the left and their constant agenda without acknowledging the complete opposite, being the right's constant agenda: The left wants same sex marriage, the right wants traditional, the left wants women's rights, the right wants to outlaw abortion. It's a 50/50 fight, and one thing is certain - both sides are constant.
Anyone remember who won last year's Miss America? (I say remember - looking it up is cheating)
Wrong, as usual, stew. "The
May 5, 2009 - 19:02 ET by ThisnThatWrong, as usual, stew. "The left wants same sex marriage, the right wants traditional". Wrong on 2 points.
1) There is no such thing as same sex marriage. It simply doesn't exist. You are falling in the traditional leftist trap of trying to re-define words. Marriage isn't a word that is going to be re-defined.
2) Here's what perez hilton said: "Opposite marriage advocate Miss California, Carrie Prejean." Opposite marriage? What the hell is that? That's the left's attempt to re-define. The left's goal is to try to re-define marriage so that it only applies to queers. When that happens, what remains? Why, opposite marriage remains, of course. The left is simply trying to destroy all human standards and traditional values, and to replace them with their own transient and perverted phrases.
Don't get suckered into this trap. It's unbecoming.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Queers? Don't you mean
May 5, 2009 - 19:09 ET by StewMcKinQueers? Don't you mean fags? It's about as offensive.
1) 4 states in this favorite country of everybody have legalized same sex marriage. You say there's no such thing, 4 states say otherwise...so far.
2) Miss California coined the phrase "opposite marriage." That's not the left's attempt to redefine - it's a conservative beauty queen who made it up. Please, before you accuse me of being wrong, get your facts straight.
3) Merriam-Webster already include same sex marriage in their standard definition. I suggest you start petitioning now.
Merriam-Webster could include pink unicorns, but that would not
May 5, 2009 - 19:19 ET by pahubermake them exist.
True. Just pointing out
May 5, 2009 - 19:27 ET by StewMcKinTrue. Just pointing out that whether you like it or not, in some states "marriage" refers to both traditional and same sex marriage.
→ Opposite Marriage
May 5, 2009 - 19:21 ET by Cool ArrowKinda makes sense if you consider the plumbing hookups.
Maybe so, but it was a Liberal booty queen who picked it up and ran with it.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Kinda makes sense if you
May 5, 2009 - 19:25 ET by StewMcKinKinda makes sense if you consider the plumbing hookups.
That's actually really funny. You're right about the 2nd part too.
→ Thanks, Stew
May 5, 2009 - 19:31 ET by Cool ArrowI have my moments.
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I use queers to be
May 6, 2009 - 11:40 ET by ThisnThatI use queers to be offensive. They're not the only ones who can be offensive -- so can I.
I repeat -- there is no such thing as same sex marriage, unless you re-define the word marriage. I and millions others will not do that. Queers are offensive; what they do is offensive and very disgusting; and I refuse to accept it as normal or acceptable.
Why? Because it's bad for society. Queer behavior is very deviant. And I'm not going to lower my standards or sense of decency to accomodate militant demands for me to do so.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
TnT, Sorry to be the one
May 6, 2009 - 11:48 ET by TheGingermanTnT,
Sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but queer is not offensive to the gay community. In fact, it's a term they've adopted to include all forms of homosexual dispostion (lesbian, gay, transgender).
At my college, the gay support group was called the Student Queer Union.
Looks like you'll have to find a term to be offensive. Try 'fag'. Seems to be a new fan favorite on Newsbusters.
On a side note, you claim queer behavior is bad for society, yet it's been a facet of society for thousands of years, and we're still here. How bad can it be? In ancient Greece, homosexuality was fully accepted, and without them we wouldn't even have society as we know it today. So, not sure your argument that homosexuality is bad for society holds any water...at all.
Whatever, Queer
May 6, 2009 - 11:53 ET by JimboWhatever, queer. Marriage is still between a man and a woman.
Ginger(man)
May 6, 2009 - 12:18 ET by R D HelmPeople like Perez Hilton, and those like him, are going to cause a backlash.
Most people in this country would probably have gone along with the idea of civil unions, but the "marriage" thing is taking it too far, and the flaming homo-fascists like Perez going on TV, and on their blogs slamming decent Americans like Carrie Prejean, is gong to backfire.
And it is going to backfire badly, I'm afraid.
That is not a smart thing for a group that only makes up between 3 and 5% of the total population to do.
At the end of the day, We the People are still in charge of this country, not Them the Government.
-And not lefty judges who ignore their Constitutional responsibilities, either.
BTW-There are several Constitutional mechanisms by which We the People can rid ourselves of those in government that find themselves unable to uphold our founding document.
-Dave
The statists aren't coming, they are already here.
between 3 and 5%?
May 6, 2009 - 12:25 ET by SickofLibsNow you did it, Dave.
Prepare for a lecture on how it's actually WAAAY more than that because so many fear leaving the closet. Plus how a large segment of the hetero population have latent bisexual tendencies - under "the right circumstances."
Most people in this country
May 6, 2009 - 12:29 ET by dvdaughtryMost people in this country would probably have gone along with the idea of civil unions, but the "marriage" thing is taking it too far
Being for marriage only as decribed by Man and Woman, I am also for extending the legal benefits that come with matromony to more than just married couples.
Whether it be a homosexual couple, a couple of widows cohabitating to save cost, or siblings under the same roof, I think the idea of filing taxes jointly, etc could/should be available.
Again, I do not agree with homosexuality, but it's not my call on how people live. On the flipside, if two people (whomever that may be) choose to share resources simliar to a marriage then the law(s) should cover them as well.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
R D, Those fighting
May 6, 2009 - 12:30 ET by TheGingermanR D,
Those fighting against gay marriage are fighting a losing battle. This will not backfire at all becaust most people are smart enough to realize that purposefully offensive people such as Hilton who make a career off of being offensive are not representative of gays as a whole.
With each successive generation, homosexuality becomes more accepted. It's just a matter of time before gay marriage is fully accepted in all 50 states. And I'm fine with that because it has no impact on my life.
I can't figure out why you're fine with civil unions in which gays have the same rights as straights, but you're against it being called marriage. If civil unions have the same rights as marriages aren't they same, regardless of title?
Weak
May 6, 2009 - 18:35 ET by UnsaneI can't figure out why you're fine with civil unions in which gays have the same rights as straights, but you're against it being called marriage. If civil unions have the same rights as marriages aren't they same, regardless of title? I'd be okay with civil unions. Civil unions differing from marriage because civil unions (in a perfect world) allows for everything and anything...but draws the line at children.
With each successive generation, homosexuality becomes more accepted. It's just a matter of time before gay marriage is fully accepted in all 50 states. And I'm fine with that because it has no impact on my life. But you could care less about the children involved. Self-absorbed Leftism on parade here.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"without them (queers) we
May 6, 2009 - 15:37 ET by ThisnThat"without them (queers) we wouldn't even have society as we know it today".
How many times have I heard dumbasses claim that if it weren't for queers, we'd still be living in caves? You're not worth responding to gingerman.
While we're at it, let's also not listen to that dumbass Obama make all those claims about how muslims have really advanced society, and especially the United States.
Some people are so dumb it's a wonder they simply don't fall off the edge of the planet.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Have you heard of a little
May 5, 2009 - 23:24 ET by MrSnugglesHave you heard of a little shop called "Victoria's Secret"? Because if that is your definition of porn, then they send me porn in the mail on a daily basis.
This is not my definition of
May 6, 2009 - 13:18 ET by StewMcKinThis is not my definition of porn. This is the definition of pornography by Merriam-Webster online. Victoria's Secret is a lingerie catalogue for women to sell a product. I fail to see any mention of a product Miss Cali is selling in her photo. She's selling sex. Period.
Stew: defining issue~
May 6, 2009 - 12:03 ET by Georgia GirlEven the Supreme Court cannot decide on a "definition." Although one justice has said: "I know it when I see it," there is no absolute standard on which to rule, though there is some case law to back up arguments. Check out these court cases (I think I have the years correct), for a glimpse into the complexities on the subject:
~Stanley v. Georgia (1969)
~Smith v. California (1959)
~Miller v. California (1973)
~Jenkins v. Georgia (1974)
~New York v. Ferber (1982)
~Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (2002)
~United States v. Williams (2008)
Speaking personally, I feel the "witch hunt" is on for Miss California -- simply because she spoke up on her own personal belief on marriage. And I see no contradition on the other issue that others are now trying to use to smear her with -- they are separate issues, and I do not feel her stance on marriage is watered down because of the pictures.
Sure it's a witch hunt, but
May 6, 2009 - 12:26 ET by StewMcKinSure it's a witch hunt, but I don't think guilty party is the evil liberal media. The fact remains here that she has her beliefs because of her conservative, religious morals. She believe in traditional marriage, and that's fine, but she also believes it's okay to pose semi-nude. Those are not glamour shots, they are not artistic, they are meant to do one thing - turn guys on. That is the definition of pornography.
Her problem is that she used her religion to back up her statement, and ultimately used religion to define her person. Then some risqué photos appear and she's no longer the conservative innocent little victim she initially appeared to be. So while she had the entire conservative base on her side of the fight, Hilton has some guy who got ahold of these photos.
Personally I'm tired of this story. I didn't care about it when it happened because after all, this is just a beauty contest, I didn't care about the boob job, and I certainly don't care about the photos. But I will continue to argue the counterpoint, because someone must. In my opinion, the story needs to die.
Stew~leapin' lizards
May 6, 2009 - 12:51 ET by Georgia GirlFor me, you make some assumptions about her, to be able to get to your points. Now if she was a political candidate who was making a broad, sweeping statement to get elected that she is standing for Christian morals on all fronts (no pun intended), I would take a look at the character issue and weight that out, if she was being misleading. But here was somebody who answered one specific question on one specific subject matter -- and I do not see a contradition to her view on marriage. If she violated any pageant rules with the pictures, that's another entirely different matter.
However, I can agree with you on one point -- this story should die. And whoever started it (well, I guess that would be the spiteful judge), I do think it will backfire on the left -- fair or not -- because Americans have a way of seeing through what the ultimate goal/manipulation is in such situations. I think most would overlook a youthful indiscretion (or if some do view it as art) but would not be so kind to overlook the nastiness of the attempts to humiliate or discredit her.
Americans make judgment calls all the time on what is the "greater sin," and I think the attacks on her are looking about as ugly as it gets!
GG - Let's kill this story
May 6, 2009 - 13:11 ET by StewMcKinGG - Let's kill this story together.
Stew~go away, icky story
May 6, 2009 - 13:56 ET by Georgia GirlFine by me. Consider it run over -- flattened -- and blown away by the breeze!
What, exactly, if you veiw of religious people?
May 6, 2009 - 13:04 ET by RESTLESS 1That if we screw up, or make a bad decision, that we should forsake our faith?
If someone breaks the law, does that then mean that they can't call the police if they become a victim?
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
That if we screw up, or make
May 6, 2009 - 13:13 ET by StewMcKinThat if we screw up, or make a bad decision, that we should forsake our faith?
No
If someone breaks the law, does that then mean that they can't call the police if they become a victim?
No
Stew
May 6, 2009 - 13:35 ET by RESTLESS 1Then why is her opinion invalid just because she posed for a picture. Do you think that negates her faith? Does it make any decision she bases on her faith invalid?
You see, I think you have a problem with what her faith says about homosexuality, so you are looking for a way to invalidate the religion by invalidating Prejean.
(BTW, nothing wrong with the picture as far as I'm concerned.)
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
It has nothing to do with
May 6, 2009 - 13:47 ET by StewMcKinIt has nothing to do with faith. It's entirely her conservative values. That's what she based her answer on. How do conservatives feel about porn? Apparently they're only against it until they need to defend someone. That's what's happening here. There's no spin. Remember, this is the first of several photos. When the highest bidder posts the rest, then you can decide how appropriate they are, and how innocent she is.
That's not what you said
May 6, 2009 - 18:58 ET by RESTLESS 1"The fact remains here that she has her beliefs because of her conservative, religious morals."
But thanks for confirming that the left is not religious, and have no morals.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Stew!
May 6, 2009 - 21:18 ET by Georgia GirlHey, wait a minute. You said you were going to drop this. Shame, shame!
So now I have to comment again...sigh. When you say she based her answer on her "conservative values," I don't believe that is how she answered the question -- not in such a general sense as you are trying to stretch it. It's like you are making her the voice of conservatism not only in spirit but in every single deed -- at a level that I do not feel she claimed herself to be...and in this case, it's a witch hunt of stuff dug up from her past.
But back to my point...she specifically answered the question about her feelings specifically on marriage -- whether she used the term "conservative" still does not mean she got up on her platform and proclaimed herself conservative on all regards -- the perfect example to all. She never indicated she was all "innocent" and etc. For me, you just are taking it waaaay too far, Stew!
Also, I would not personally judge how "innocent" somebody is based on a photo. To me, innocence is a heart matter. It's not my place, and I would need to talk to the person and put it in context, while realizing it was from the past, etc. But this kind of picture would not in any way negate (for me) what her views are on marriage.With the highest standard that should be held -- president -- look at all the folks with stuff in their past...and I don't think very many people screamed: "You're a conservative! But because you drank, and religious people would not do that, you can't be a conservative. You lied, you lied!" Or "You're a liberal, but you..." Oh my gosh. I can't think of anything yicky somebody could do morally that would negate the liberal position. LOL. Sorry -- could not resist.
Restless~
May 6, 2009 - 13:14 ET by Georgia GirlSomeone just PM'd me, asking me why you would ask me that question & saying you totally misread what I said. I told the person I thought you were asking Stew, but I'm just checkin' -- because if was directed at me, I've really done a bad job expressing my conservative views & compassion!;)
No, I'm pretty sure it was
May 6, 2009 - 13:24 ET by StewMcKinNo, I'm pretty sure it was aimed at me. It wouldn't be the first I've been accused of being a heretic.
No, it was directed at Stew
May 6, 2009 - 13:30 ET by RESTLESS 1When the replies pile up like this, it can get confusing though. :)
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
what a crock
May 5, 2009 - 15:54 ET by jls19401I've seen worse in the window of a Victoria's Secret shop.....
Joe the Plumber Part 2
May 5, 2009 - 16:05 ET by candanceIf you have so much as a parking ticket in your past, don't criticize liberals on TV. That's where this is heading.
The smear campaign against Prejean was going on before this photo was discovered. This is just another handy thing to use against her. The people who did this don't care about morals, hypocrisy, porn, or anything else. This is NOTHING but an excuse to embarrass a conservative.
And of course, the usual suspects on NB respond by saying she deserves it.
Smear campaigns are part of
May 5, 2009 - 16:08 ET by StewMcKinSmear campaigns are part of politics, and this is a political issue. Look what the candidates did to each other throughout the campaign season. Not just McCain and Obama, but all of the participants in the primaries as well. He who survives the most smear tactics wins!
This issue
May 5, 2009 - 18:29 ET by quimperThe particular issue at hand is Miss California answering a question posed by Perez Hilton. "Mr." Hilton makes his money from his blog. The more hits, the more advertising revenue he brings in. He is very crafty about putting himself in situations where he is photographed next to famous people and getting himself on tv. He claims to have the blog with the most hits on the internet. Since he is a pop culture "celebrity", he was asked to be a judge at this particular pageant.
In the top ten in the pageant, all but two were from the south. The majority of pageant watchers are either southerners (and I speak of this being someone who lives in the south) or gay men. He knew he would get a similar answer from at least eight out of ten of the contestants. Southerners are typically more conservative Christians. By asking this particular question, he knew he would get publicity for himself and his blog. If the contestant disagreed with what he said, he could make a huge issue about it on his blog. If the contestant agreed with what he said, he could make a huge issue about it on his blog.
He's gotten airtime on every news program and network. I'm sure his website hits have gone through the roof. I would bet almost nobody can name the winner of the pageant. He knew he'd get the publicity, that people would debate the issue, he could get away with calling someone a bigot and he's doing it.
Everyone took the bait and he's the ultimate winner, with his bank account growing. He's smart. Despicable, but smart. All of this hullabaloo has nothing to do with the gay marriage issue, it has everything to do with more money for Perez.
Interesting that you say
May 5, 2009 - 18:39 ET by StewMcKinInteresting that you say that. I attempted to make the same point last week, but you've certainly hit all the points. The more we talk about it, the more he wins. At least I can say unequivocally that he's not getting one single advertising hit from me. I've never been to his site, and never will.
→ That's true
May 5, 2009 - 19:33 ET by Cool ArrowAnd it occurs to me if Larry Sinclair had made his allegations about Michael Steele rather than Barack Obama, he would've gotten a lot more airtime as well.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
True again...
May 5, 2009 - 20:33 ET by StewMcKinNow had it happened in an airport bathroom stall...
Smear campaigns are part of politics?
May 5, 2009 - 19:41 ET by SickofLibsWhat the hell are you talking about? Prejean is campaigning for what?
Virtually every single hollywood libtard has way more skeletons in their (giant walk-in) closets, and they get to walk around and pontificate from a bully pulpit about how everyone else should live their lives. And please don't tell me Prejean is campaigning for Miss USA; that horse left the barn. It's the aftermath we're discussing here.
Twisted priorities, Mr. Stew. Prejean is little more than a kid. You do either lead a completely sheltered life or you are disingenuous. Watch MTV or Access Hollywood for two hours and get an education. And no, I don't agree with it, but...
Before you get so defensive,
May 5, 2009 - 20:47 ET by StewMcKinBefore you get so defensive, I suggest you carefully reread my post. I didn't say anything about a campaign - I was merely responding to the phrase "smear campaign" by the poster above me. My post reads:
Smear campaigns are part of politics, and this is a political issue.
Since Miss Cali was thrust into this controversy, she has taken on the role as an advocate for traditional marriage, a HIGHLY political issue. Again, smear campaigns are part of politics, and when you make yourself a celebrity, you are subject to all sorts of scrutiny whether it's fair or not. This site is full of celebrities being trashed for their views on a number of political issues. She is now one of them, and it's open season.
So again, before you get yourself all worked up, understand that in no way does my post read "Miss Cali is campaigning." A smear campaign started by whomever posted the photo is what we're talking about. It's not a vast left wing conspiracy, and none of the usual suspects in the MSM are selling it that way.
I gave up MTV in the 80s when they stopped showing music videos. And it's Mr. McKinley. Or Mickey if you prefer.
Excuse me Stewie
May 5, 2009 - 20:58 ET by BlondeHow have the leftist vicious fagmen savaged Barack O. and Joey B. for the same stance?
Before I get myself all worked up?
Kindly explain the discrepancy there, eh?
Oh....and "she is now one of them," what?
I hope he fails, too.
And let's not forget the
May 5, 2009 - 21:02 ET by Scuba DudeAnd let's not forget the Clintons, Bill & Hill.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Ah, I see the latest troll
May 5, 2009 - 21:19 ET by BlondeHas gone all silent on THAT point.
I hope he fails, too.
Now Blonde, you know I
May 5, 2009 - 21:18 ET by StewMcKinNow Blonde, you know I normally stay away from you, but this time I'll happily reply with the same answer I'd given on another post. (Oh and fagmen - really?) I believe that Obama gave the political answer. I think he's probably more liberal than his politics. To win the presidency he had to say he was against gay marriage to avoid alienating the moderates whose votes he knew he could get, but only by avoiding the gay marriage issue. I think he'll avoid it again in 2012, but I expect soon after that he'll change his position.
However, and I mentioned this before as well, Obama is a religious man, and most people who are against gay marriage have such a position based on their religious beliefs. It would not surprise me one bit if he is in fact 100% against gay marriage. But we won't know for sure unless he publicly changes his position.
And yes, she is now a celebrity, subject to the same scrutiny all celebs are under for their public, political views.
Well stew
May 5, 2009 - 21:25 ET by BlondeI'm glad you're generally steering clear of me. I hate having trolls on my heels. But you failed (ha ha, yet again) to answer the basic question.
Why has Ms. Prejean been subjected to such excoriation, while your love and Savior, The One....skates? What makes her a target, and the Bamster, not? Same position, or do you not see that?
Hmmm?
Nice try, Stew. However....EPIC FAIL....yet again, I might add!
I hope he fails, too.
I'll take a stab at it, but
May 5, 2009 - 21:38 ET by balboaI'll take a stab at it, but you won't like it. Besides the fact that Hilton has been milking this for every ounce of publicity he can get, the difference is that people view a beauty pageant's opinion on a controversial subject as not an informed opinion, just a repetition of what others have told her to say. Whereas when Obama said the same thing, they saw it as an opinion from a very intelligent man, OR they thought "He's just saying that to not be branded a left-wing nut." Not saying this the right way to do it, but I think that's the thinking process.
So, Balboa...
May 5, 2009 - 21:43 ET by BlondeKindly deconstruct, for me...the difference.
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman."
How is that different when Obama says it?
The words are exactly the same.
Or are you saying that the leftists love and adore and agree with everything Obama says, but a beautiful, blonde, conservative is just a bimbo?
Which?
Thanks, bal. For once, I believe you are really trying, instead of being snarky....but that doesn't mitigate the stupidity.
I hope he fails, too.
I just said why it's
May 5, 2009 - 21:48 ET by balboaI just said why it's different. People see Miss Cali's opinion as uninformed, Obama's as educated.
Why?
May 5, 2009 - 21:52 ET by BlondeIf you liberals are so "fair" and all...wazzup w/that?
I hope he fails, too.
well duh Blonde
May 5, 2009 - 21:56 ET by botgbecause HE uses a teleprompter and she doesn't
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Blonde.. feeling pesky here..
May 5, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Gary Hall.. unfortunately I have to run. But if I had a few minutes, I'd put up a few "pesky facts" for ya, (for Bal) as to how liberals are not so well informed at all. (;~> gary
Dammit Gar!!!!
May 5, 2009 - 22:03 ET by BlondeYou and those PESKY facts.....
I'll be waiting to see them, manana (or the seis de cinqo or somesuch).
Enjoy, Gar....and watch out for those jalepeno martinis, fella!
I hope he fails, too.
Yeah, me too, I've gotta
May 5, 2009 - 22:10 ET by balboaYeah, me too, I've gotta "run" but I'd put up some "facts" of my own as to how Martians are controlling our minds through toaster, but I have to leave, too... ;-)
In other words Bal, you
May 5, 2009 - 22:12 ET by Scuba DudeIn other words Bal, you have been caught red-handed being hypocritical and you will now scurry away like a cockroach with the light thrown on him.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
If you're not going to pay
May 5, 2009 - 22:15 ET by balboaIf you're not going to pay attention to the conversation, don't post.
Good evening Bal
May 5, 2009 - 22:24 ET by cocodrieYou get rather touchy when you get caught, don't you?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Not just liberals, everyone,
May 5, 2009 - 21:59 ET by balboaNot just liberals, everyone, can be judgmental when comparing the opinion of a beauty contestant vs. the POTUS. I don't think liberals are at all beyond making assumptions, just as righties aren't, either.
Um.....
May 5, 2009 - 22:08 ET by BlondeSo...bal.
The exact same words....uttered by a half black POTUS, and a beautiful curvy blonde....don't mean the same thing in liberal land?
Is that it? Color me confused....but I AM blonde, after all.
When Barry says it....it is true....but when a blonde says it...it's crap?
So how does that shoot down the "rightie" position, exactly.....truly....this liberal logic of yours has me totally confused.
Same words....different skin and hair color makes the words totally true, or totally stupid? Is that it?
I hope he fails, too.
Again, people see Miss
May 5, 2009 - 22:14 ET by balboaAgain, people see Miss Cali's opinion as uninformed, Obama's as educated, NOT because one's black and one's blonde but because one's Miss California and the other one's the leader of the most powerful country in the world.
Surely you can see that words coming from a beauty pageant contestant might be judged differently than those from the American president?
Why?
May 5, 2009 - 22:17 ET by BlondeBarry was just an uninformed community organizer last year.
No, Bal, I really can't. They are exactly the same words.
I hope he fails, too.
Let's say, for example,
May 5, 2009 - 22:22 ET by balboaLet's say, for example, Petraeus comes out with a fairly controversial military plan, says "I think the military should do X, Y, and Z" and then Miss California says the same thing. Do you value both opinions the same?
Let's say for example
May 5, 2009 - 22:27 ET by Blonde"I believe marriage is defined as between a man and a woman".
KISS.
Why is it different?
Because a beautiful, curvaceous blonde chick says it, or the half-black POTUS says it?
How, exactly is the statement different?
You've FAILED at explaining the difference.
What difference is there, exactly, between the two people saying that? Because one is female, 21, and blonde, and the other is 47, male and half black?
Still waiting.
I hope he fails, too.
I've explained the
May 5, 2009 - 22:34 ET by balboaI've explained the difference twice now. There's no difference in the actual words, no. The difference comes in how those words are perceived by the outside world based on who the speakers are, their perceived backgrounds, and the weight those backgrounds give the speakers.
§ Bal....U Call Me FAT???
May 5, 2009 - 22:39 ET by TheSterI have CONSIDERABLE WEIGHT behind my comments...
NOT COOL.
<adds Ranch to Pizza>
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
So, given the 0's "percieved background"
May 5, 2009 - 22:41 ET by RESTLESS 1and the credence given that background and current position, shouldn't the gay lobby be rethinking it's position on gay marriage? After all, the oh so smart 0 has decreed that marriage is between a man and a woman.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Ah, but I'm not saying that
May 5, 2009 - 22:49 ET by balboaAh, but I'm not saying that the opinion is accepted by the public as an absolute truth; it's respected more and not ridiculed nearly as much.
bal
May 5, 2009 - 22:54 ET by botghad it been W and not the empty suit........
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Balboa, there's only one
May 5, 2009 - 22:41 ET by StewMcKinBalboa, there's only one thing you can say that will be the right answer:
"You are right Blonde, and I am wrong."
Or
May 5, 2009 - 22:50 ET by RESTLESS 1He could back up his statements with something other than their positions in life makes one opinion valid, and the other not valid. When you think about, his rationale blows his own argument out of the water.
Funny you can't see that.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I think he's backed up his
May 5, 2009 - 23:03 ET by StewMcKinI think he's backed up his position perfectly clearly. How can you discredit the education and experience of the president vs a beauty queen.
Obama: BA from Columbia Law, JD from Harvard Law, traveled the world, runs the most powerful nation in the world
Miss Cali: 3 years in San Diego Christian University, traveled the modeling and beauty pageant circuit, poses in pornographic photos.
Spin it any way you'd like, the president is just more credible.
Yup, clear as mud
May 5, 2009 - 23:11 ET by RESTLESS 1How does the educational background have any relevance to an opinion on gay marriage?
And since the president is more credible, has the gay lobby seen the folly if it's ways yet?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
cmon stew
May 5, 2009 - 23:31 ET by candanceSeriously.
Lots of other smart, accomplished conservatives have proffered the same opinion and been attacked for it too.
Sarah Palin was called a homophobe
So was Rick Warren
Dick Cheney had a lesbian family member outed on public TV to embarrass him.
So now I ask you.....education and life experience aside, why is Obama not being called a homophobe right now?
It doesn't matter, can
May 5, 2009 - 23:37 ET by BlondeThe flamers only hate blonde, beautiful buxom girls.
The chiseled, sun-kissed, sculpted pecs, um, Obama....they LOVE.
Exact same words....exact same opinion....but....THE MESSENGER.
Come on Candance...can't you see how silly it is to aggressively misunderstand (in the words of the twit Brian Williams)?
Good Lord, candance.....quit being such a STUPID CONSERVATIVE.
I hope he fails, too.
Stewie? Credibility?
May 5, 2009 - 23:35 ET by Trix RabbitTrix Rabbit: Double majors in Psychology and Business, Troy State University - Summa cum laude. Fluent in three languages. Have been to every country in Western Europe and every country between the Rio Grande and Tierra de Fuego. And not on vacation either.
Spin it any way YOU'D like, if the Obamatron speaks, I say bet the other way.
Q: How do you get a bass player off your front porch?
A: Pay for the pizza.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Again with the "pornography"
May 6, 2009 - 08:34 ET by SickofLibsAgain with the "pornography" - give it a rest.
Re that pornography
May 6, 2009 - 09:44 ET by slickwillie2001Fox News is now showing the entire Prejean back photo during news segments. The hypocrisy of the lefties on this is astounding.
"baboa logic" for all to see.
May 5, 2009 - 23:03 ET by upcountrywaterthankx that clears it all up!
When is PEREZ HILTON going on tv to spew his "perceived backgrounds", with the CIC?
In the Liberal spirit of fairness.HUMMM
Reagan VS 0bama
§ Hello Bal, Blondie, Can!!!! Ummmm...
May 5, 2009 - 22:31 ET by TheSterJust saying Hi....and....
Ummmm...
Bal....
You put Gen. Petraeus and Miss California in the SAME sentence...
Hmmmm...
I hope you don't have a thought in your head of Petraeus in a ...
....wait for it....
SPEEDO!!!!
OMO!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
good job Bal
May 5, 2009 - 22:20 ET by candanceAs our good friend Yoda would say:
Stepped in a big fat mess, did you.
Weight of Words and Opinions
May 5, 2009 - 22:22 ET by rexdraconimSo, Balboa, you are saying that a person's station in life adds or subtracts validity and veracity, not to mention credibility to their words?
You are saying that "who" someone is effects what their views are worth? That their social distinctions matter? Is truth not truth? Does not every person's opinion matter equally?
How undemocratic of you!
How elitist of you!
How can you possibly consider holding such an opinion as being egalitarian or equal in anyway?
"Surely you can see that words coming from a beauty pageant contestant
might be judged differently than those from the American president?"
Only by patronizing, condescending Leftist snobs!
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
Not social station. Their
May 5, 2009 - 22:25 ET by balboaNot social station. Their experience, their education, their respective lives make the difference.
Are you actually saying that opinions are not more or less respected depending on who you are? Really?
Yes.
May 5, 2009 - 22:29 ET by BlondeI am saying exactly that.
The exact SAME opinion, voiced by two different people. IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
So, please, explain, why it is treated differently by the media, and everyone else on the planet, including YOU!
I hope he fails, too.
So if Ken Griffey Jr. says
May 5, 2009 - 22:37 ET by balboaSo if Ken Griffey Jr. says it's harder to hit a slider than a curveball, and your mailman says the same thing, you believe both opinions are equal?
sorry Bal you keep
May 5, 2009 - 22:45 ET by botgciting experts
Obama is no expert
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
OMO, bal
May 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by BlondeThat was truly PATHETIC.
If I say "the plastic bunny is pink" and
Obama says "the plastic bunny is pink".
That makes him more correct than I am?
Is that it?
Because he is POTUS, and I merely have 20/20 vision?
I hope he fails, too.
Hey, I'm just trying to
May 5, 2009 - 23:00 ET by balboaHey, I'm just trying to explain to you what I'm saying. Maybe that was a stretch.
No one is "more correct" than someone else when stating an opinion. Again, the difference is in how people perceive that opinion in relation to the person and their background. People are bound to question the president's opinion less than they are Miss California's when it comes to gay marriage.
Questioning her opinion?
May 5, 2009 - 23:04 ET by RESTLESS 1Well, that's a polite spin on what is happening.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
baseball? really?
May 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by candanceThe question asked of her is not rocket science. It's not brain surgery. It's a question about morals. You don't *need* to study marriage for 10 years to have an opinion about it.
Besides all that, she represents California, and the majority of people in her state took that stance in the voting booth TWICE.
You are asserting that a young woman's opinion about cutural issues (backed up by the entire state she represents) are worth less than Obama's because he's a politican.
That is elitism. Point blank.
I never said her opinion was
May 5, 2009 - 22:57 ET by balboaI never said her opinion was worthless. NEVER. I am trying to explain why people criticize her about her position more than they do Obama.
Of course, everyone's opinion is basically equal in that we're all entitled to one. HOWEVER, people do not weigh opinions equally. That's how people are, right and left.
I take offense to the
May 5, 2009 - 23:09 ET by StewMcKinI take offense to the statement that Miss Cali represents our state. We didn't ask for her, we didn't elect her. She represents a small circuit of people who find interest in pageants, but she in no way represents our state.
The False Leftist Analogy
May 5, 2009 - 22:50 ET by rexdraconimHere we see Balboa try to shift the argument to avoid capitulation to superior thought and his own ill-advise and inadequate position.
He has offered a false analogy, one in which professional experience and training is germane. This is a far cry from the actual discussion of the relevant opinions under review and he full well knows it.
He is using a common Lefitst tactic, known as the False Leftist Analogy, or the FLA. This is very common to the False Leftist Assertion in nature and purpose.
For the audience: always be sure to watch for a Leftist to do this type of thing once cornered by his own words and positions. Do not expect intellectual honesty or you will be disappointed.
Balboas newly offered analogy offers nothing to the discussion but a vain attempt at his own extrication.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
PREJUDICE
May 5, 2009 - 22:30 ET by BlondeCould it possibly be?
Of course not! Liberals are so fair and equitable!
I hope he fails, too.
Balboa Squirms
May 5, 2009 - 22:42 ET by rexdraconimHe is caught in the Leftist Quandary and knows not what to do but mis-characterize everything he possibly can about valid questions (which he answered with questions) without accurately approaching them in thought or action.
I'll bite.
Sure, experience matters; relevant experience. When it is a matter of a person's professional opinion.
Sure, education matters; relevant education. When their education is relevant to the matter at hand.
What indicates that his bona fides are any greater than hers, in this matter at hand?
Respective lives? Why? Is his life more valid that hers? If so, why?
They both expressed the same opinion. One is accepted by a group of people, the other is vilified by the same group of people.
Why is that? Is it because, as Balboa insists, one is "better" that the other? The one man's opinion is better than a woman's?
We are talking "opinion" here, we are talking points of view. Balboa, as is typical with the Leftist, is showing that patronizing elitism that is so characteristic of the Left.
Balboa continues to insist that one person's opinion is better than another's.
He can rephrase it all he wants, but he continues to show, by example, that Leftists believe all people are "equal;" just some people are more equal that others.
"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H
"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...every time!" -me
let me translate bal's spin
May 5, 2009 - 22:39 ET by candanceObama had that position before he ran for office (supposedly) so it has nothing to do with his status as president.
You could then try to claim that as a Senator he was seen as intelligent, but that doesn't explain why Republican Senators are smeared for believing the same.
So basically, it boils down to this....
Whatever a Democrat says: good.
Whatever a conservative says: bad.
Really bal, that is your best option at this point. Either that or admit this is either sexism.
Candance,
May 5, 2009 - 22:44 ET by RESTLESS 1It's fourth down and long, so Bal should opt to punt.
Of course given the circles hes running in, that punt may go backward.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Punt, My A**
May 5, 2009 - 23:01 ET by BlondeSorry, I totally anhilated the liberal squishy argument, within two posts.
GO GATORS.
And don't mess with nice looking blondes, ever!
I hope he fails, too.
You annihilated nothing.
May 5, 2009 - 23:03 ET by balboaYou annihilated nothing.
says the spot on the pavement
May 5, 2009 - 23:04 ET by BlondeI hope he fails, too.
Please. You need to get over
May 5, 2009 - 23:06 ET by balboaPlease. You need to get over this over-inflated perception of yourself that you have.
Really?
May 5, 2009 - 23:07 ET by BlondeDid I hear the pavement squeak?
I hope he fails, too.
Yeah, you're right
May 5, 2009 - 23:07 ET by RESTLESS 1More like a fumble recovery returned for a touchdown on second play of the game. And it went downhill for him from there.
(But really, did you really have to go for two when you went up 76-0?)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Yes, R1
May 5, 2009 - 23:10 ET by BlondeGATORS rule!
Sorry....I am jonesing w/o my Gat's....but it's okay.
I don't see the fumble. As for the two on 76-zip....Must go.
It's the conservative way!
I hope he fails, too.
just amazing
May 5, 2009 - 23:39 ET by candanceLefties here have admitted it's okay for smart people to hold homophobic opinions...as long as they put a lot of research into it.
Did you hear that? It is OKAY for Obama to be a homophobe because he is smart. Or maybe just because he's president. Or maybe just because he's a Democrat.
Smart people are officially allowed to be bigots. Got it.
Uh, Bal
May 5, 2009 - 22:01 ET by RESTLESS 1OR they thought "He's just saying that to not be branded a left-wing nut."
You forgot that you also mentioned that perhaps he is LYING.
And why would that be okay for him???
So, either he's educated, and came to his conclusion from that position, and all of the same sex marriage fanatics are frightfully wrong, or his belief system is so weak that he can lie easily about it to win an election.
Either way, you would think someone from the left might have voiced some criticism?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I'm not saying that's why
May 5, 2009 - 22:08 ET by balboaI'm not saying that's why Obama said it. I'm saying that's how voters might have rationalized it.
I'm sure someone on the left did criticize this.
So Bal,
May 5, 2009 - 22:16 ET by RESTLESS 1then ms. hilton should have been calling the 0 a stupid bitch as well? C'mon, Prejean's being called a hypocrite, shouldn't ms. hilton be called out also?
I gotta admire the way you stubbornly stick up for you peeps though.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
C'mon, Prejean's being
May 5, 2009 - 22:19 ET by balboaC'mon, Prejean's being called a hypocrite, shouldn't ms. hilton be called out also?
Absolutely. But he's a creepy idiot, so he won't.
You still haven't explained
May 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by RESTLESS 1the vitriol towards Carrie Prejean as compared to the ho-hum approach to the 0's EXACT SAME POSITION.
If Ms. Prejean's background, experience, station, whatever leads the left to conclude her opinion has no merit, then why all the hubbub?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Good evening Blonde
May 5, 2009 - 21:54 ET by cocodrieYou should write a book. Title it 1'001 Ways To Skewer A Man.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Love you, Cocodrie
May 5, 2009 - 21:58 ET by BlondeWith one exception....1,001 Ways to Skewer a Liberal Man!
All the best to you, my friend.
I hope he fails, too.
Let's get one thing straight
May 5, 2009 - 22:18 ET by StewMcKinLet's get one thing straight here: I didn't vote for Obama, so stop pretending everyone you disagree with thinks of him as a savior. You ask why the pro gay militia didn't crucify Obama for his stance on gay marriage? Because he's the only one remotely on their side. During the campaign the right weren't attacking McCain for his disagreeable positions, because you needed him to be as great as possible. Same goes for Obama. You need to make your candidate look better than he really is to get him elected.
Let me ask you something now: Why are you so soft on Miss Cali, yet you've been jumping up and down about Michael J Fox for the past few years? They're both celebrities who've taken a position on a deeply emotional and political issue, only to be picked on by an a-hole with a huge audience.
Funny, I do not remember
May 5, 2009 - 22:24 ET by Scuba DudeFunny, I do not remember the media attacking Michael J. Fox with the vitriol and hatred that Miss Cali is being subjected to. I did not see the media and people call MJF a stupid Bi**h for his opinions. I did not see anyone dig dig dig and try and pull up any dirt and in an effort to ridicule and belittle him.
Only the Left does that and is permitted to get away with it.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
I'm sorry, who again in the
May 5, 2009 - 22:33 ET by StewMcKinI'm sorry, who again in the media is attacking her? Oh yeah, PEREZ HILTON, the gossip site queen!
Who attacked Michael J Fox? Oh yeah, Rush Limbaugh! How many listeners does he have who all jumped on that bandwagon? I can probably find negative comments from every regular user on this site about Fox, but we all know everyone here hates him for his position on stem cells. Would it be that way had Rush not come out and attacked him first? Doubtful.
As for the dirt, it was one guy who runs a website, and the only reason we haven't seen the rest of the photos yet is because he hasn't sold them to the highest bidder yet.
Your are also
May 5, 2009 - 22:41 ET by Scuba DudeYour are also forgetting:
CBS Maggie Rodriguez
CNN Jane Velez-Mitchell
MSNBC Dave Schuster
All that and more against one women. And Rush did not go and try and dig up dirt on MJF as the MSM is doing with Carrie Prejean.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Sorry stewie
May 5, 2009 - 22:44 ET by BlondeRush merely pointed out, rightly so....that MJF went off his meds to try to prove a point.
And your point would be?
I don't hate MJF.....but his "advocacy" for the issue was dishonest.
Game. Set. Match.
I hope he fails, too.
You really need to get over
May 5, 2009 - 23:15 ET by StewMcKinYou really need to get over this game set match thing you do. It's unfair to mislead people into thinking you've won the argument when in fact you haven't.
Go Seminoles!!!
Sorry Stew
May 5, 2009 - 22:39 ET by BlondeThe "pro gay militia" (as you so quaintly put it..sorry you didn't like MY word) didn't crucify Obama for the EXACT SAME WORDS Ms. Prejean spoke.
Hypocrite much?
As for MJF....I feel sorry for him...he has a horrible disease, but I know the truth about his little "advertisement" for the stem-cell advert he did. He purposefully went off his meds so his condition would look more horrific, too bad, so sad.
Care to take another shot, Stewie?
I hope he fails, too.
Another shot at what?
May 5, 2009 - 22:53 ET by StewMcKinAnother shot at what? You're asking the same question over and over. I don't know how else I can say this. If Obama was up on a beauty pageant stage and Perez Hilton asked him the same question, I imagine Hilton would have made similar comments to him. But you can't compare a beauty queen in competition in front of a fan base of gay men, and a presidential candidate during a political debate. Why haven't they crucified him for it? Well you know our lord and savior Jesus Obama has already been crucified once - must we really put him through that ordeal again?
Besides, they didn't use the exact same words.
We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite.
Except we don't. We live in a land where majority rules, and the majority has decided against gay marriage. Gays do not get to chose, so her answer was in fact wrong. Obama said he does not support gay marriage. Miss Cali stated an incorrect fact, Obama stated opinion. There's your difference.
And yes, Fox went off his meds to show the public what his disease does. I was unfortunate enough to see my grandfather go through it too, and even when he was on his medication, towards the end of his life he looked like Fox. I fail to see much of a difference between what Rush did versus Hilton. Let me add, as I have at least 2-3 times now, that I in no way condone what Hilton said, or has done since this took place.
Majority rule is a
May 5, 2009 - 22:55 ET by Scuba DudeMajority rule is a Democracy, we live in a Republic, rule of law.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Final shot, stew.
May 5, 2009 - 23:25 ET by BlondeMJF faked his distress. What is so difficult about THAT?
Ah, I see.....Ms. Prejean is a BEARD ("fan base of gay men?")....a nice, lovely concept the gay activists use, frequently...kinda like you, here.
What Rush did, vs. Hilton? Please....Rush pointed out MJF's duplicity in making a POLITICAL ad....Hilton skewered a beauty pageant contestant for being HONEST.
No worries, tho, Stew....I perfectly understand your conundrum. Leftists are notorious for being unable to evaluate sources, truth, etc.
See ya, Stewie.
I hope he fails, too.
P.S. I'm sorry that your grandfather suffered so....that is tragic. Truly.
Here's the difference
May 5, 2009 - 23:42 ET by StewMcKinHere's the difference between you and me: You are actually concerned about gay marriage affecting your life - I am not. I don't have a stake in gay marriage. I am a happily married man, and whether gays marry or not, it doesn't involve me. I don't need to explain the difference between Rush and Hilton, because you don't listen anyway. Your opinion has never changed any of these posts. You're stubborn, and you think you win every argument, and that doesn't make for fun debating. It's funny how I've managed to get along with some of the people I disagree with the most on this site, but I just don't see that happening with you.
Go Seminoles!
well sorry stew
May 5, 2009 - 23:50 ET by candanceApparently Barack Obama thinks it's a threat to him as well, so if you want to gripe about homophobia, then maybe you should start with him.
Oops, sorry I keep forgetting, only Harvard Law grads are allowed to be bigots.
Seriously, I've stated my
May 6, 2009 - 00:03 ET by StewMcKinSeriously, I've stated my thoughts on Obama a dozen times now. Just read my other posts here and on the most recent open thread in my history. It's all there. I've never called someone a bigot for opposing gay marriage. I'm just searching for an honest answer as to what scares people so badly.
Nothing more entertaining
May 6, 2009 - 09:22 ET by dvdaughtryNothing more entertaining that two points being beat into the ground (sarc off).
My two cents: I am with Bal in regards to the validity of opinions. Poor Miss Cali is behind the '8 ball' in 99% of topics under the sun, simply because she is a beauty queen. Obama gets the benefit of dobut because he is the POTUS. I don't think that is a very long reach.
However, even though they share the same opinion, Miss Cali is getting POUNDED because she is conservative, and Obama gets a pass because, well, because he is Obama. Again, I don't think that is much of a stretch either.
*EDIT*
As for what scares people so badly, I'll give you my take.
It is the polar opposite of a strong family core. Not saying, that homosexuals cannot provide the physcial necessities in life, but it is an immoral lifestyle. In addition, they want to have special legal protection. It's a slippery slope that further erodes the little morality the country has left.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Too bad, stewie
May 6, 2009 - 11:38 ET by BlondeYou are wrong, yet again.
Besides, they didn't use the exact same words.
When asked to define marriage, they used exactly the same words, with the exception of "a marriage should be/is a union of a man and a woman."
Carrie Prejean, approximately 45 seconds in.
Barack Obama, approximately 5 seconds in.
You can whine and kick all you'd like....the meaning is exactly the same in both instances. So yeah, I'll keep asking until you admit you are wrong.....or don't you believe your lyin' ears?
And yes I can compare the two...both were asked their opinion on gay marriage. In fact, the way you've set up the premise, I'd give Ms. Prejean a +10 for honesty, being asked by a gay judge and all....and Obama a -5 for honesty, because he's a politician trying to win votes.
I'm not even going to bother with your inane Rush/Hilton comparison. Do your own thinking on that one.
I hope he fails, too.
oops
May 5, 2009 - 16:07 ET by candancedouble post
You know homosexuality has
May 5, 2009 - 16:15 ET by ckc1227You know homosexuality has to be a mental disorder. What sane male would be attracted to other guys with fine specimens like Ms. Prejean running around.
That's really just half of
May 5, 2009 - 16:21 ET by StewMcKinThat's really just half of the equation. Don't forget that there just might be a few women attracted to Prejean as well...
Mockery is the first weapon...
May 5, 2009 - 16:22 ET by SlyrrLet this be a lesson to any and all who hold to their religious beliefs. You will be mocked for it - so undergo exercises to prepare yourself. Mockery is the first weapon that opponents of religion pull out of their bag of tricks when they want to beat down people who stand up for their faith.
The purpose is exactly as described above - to intimidate believers into silence, or even get them to abandon their beliefs, or even join the unbelievers to stop the mockery.
And this is only going to get more rabid as the debate goes on. The pro-gays are going to wail and gnash their teeth like you wouldn't believe in an effort to stamp out religious faith. Think that sound paranoid?
Almost all religions declare that homosexuality is immoral, and that those who engage in it are guilty of sins, and that they will one day be held accountable before God for their 'choice of lifestyle'. Moreover, most churches do not allow people who are gay/lesbian to hold membership in thier congregations. Those who are guilty of this sin are often disfellowshipped, or excommunicated if they don't repent.
But if gay marriage were to be established as Federal law, then the gay community would certainly use that law as a weapon to declare that churches are 'discriminating' against gays. They would use this law to do either of two things:
1) Use the nationally established gay marriage law to force all churches to allow gays to have full memebership in any church they choose. And also force all priests/clergy/pastors etc to conduct 'marriages' for gays and lesbians under threat of legal prosecution. This would not only force religions to 'accept', but also to embrace and participate in gay culture, since gays would be forcing religious clergy to conduct marriages which violate the laws of God.
2) Have the government forcibly disband any church that says homosexuality is immoral, declaring that they are guilty of 'hate crimes' against gays. Or failing to have them disbanded, at least have their tax-exempt status revoked, thinking that it will drive that church into bankruptcy and extinction.
Don't believe me - just read the pro-gay marriage blogs. They're saying this flat out. So if you believe in traditional marriage and family, get ready. There has been no hostility from the religous community, and no declaration of war from them. But the pro-gay marriage people HAVE declared war, and they're out for blood.
Seems to me
May 5, 2009 - 22:04 ET by RESTLESS 1that if they tried either of those two things, their old standy of "separation of church and state" could be invoked to bite them in the ass.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
So what is it? Are you
May 5, 2009 - 16:23 ET by TheGingermanSo what is it? Are you all for morality or not?
It's a dirty, degrading picture. I'd be horrified if that was my daughter.
You are all very quick to excuse when the person crossing the line is on your side.
Family values? Only when it's convenient.
On a side note, what's wrong with these girls? I don't see guys taking pictures like this.
What you are missing..
May 5, 2009 - 16:51 ET by Ruths husband BenGinger, what you are missing is that having posed for some cheesecake pictures does not make her opinion wrong. And it does not make her a hypocrite. If she made that statement and was secretly married to Oprah, well that might be hypocrisy. They are attacking the person and not the ideas. That should be enough to tell you that they have forfeiting the argument. Your mock outrage ("I'd be horrified..") is less than convincing. This almost borders on an ad hominem attack (by me), which I promised myself to never do: You can tell a lot about a person by the people he or she chooses to align with. Perez Hilton is a dirt-bag, plain and simple. He ambushed this young woman with an inappropriate question for a beauty contest. He is a shallow person and everyone (gay and otherwise) who has a sense of decency recognizes it.
If we get to the point in this country where a person cannot have a belief system that is not in lock-step with a political ideology without being castigated, then we've reached the end of our existence as a free society. We may already be there.
"Who are you going to believe, me or all that lying data?!"
-Al Gore
RHB, It might not make
May 5, 2009 - 16:55 ET by TheGingermanRHB,
It might not make her opinion wrong, it just makes it worthless coming from her.
She can no longer be the inspirational symbol she was a week ago for the anti-gay crowd.
I despise Perez Hilton and think he is a classless scumbag. I agree he ambushed her and I agree his comments about her were completely out of line.
However, that doesn't change the fact that I find Miss California to be a hypocrite. Don't cite God if you don't follow God. It's a simple rule, yet so many have trouble abiding by it.
Ginger. Good
May 5, 2009 - 17:28 ET by Ruths husband BenGinger. Good response.
Unfortunately none of us meet God's standard. What are we to do then, never acknowledge His standard? If the worse thing I ever did was pose topless I would be a pretty holy person. And everyone who saw the picture would be pretty disgusted. That is because I have the body of an eighteen year old and he is sure going to be pissed when he finds out what I did to it.
The point is, my belief system is outside of me. I didn't make it up and I occasionally don't live up to it. That doesn't mean that I jettison it completely. It just means I have more work to do. And it doesn't mean that when someone asks me a question I respond falsely. I would answer that question as honestly as I can. And as humbly as I can. And if you read her answer, I believe she did exactly that.
"Who are you going to believe, me or all that lying data?!"
-Al Gore
Who ever said she was?
May 5, 2009 - 17:29 ET by general companyShe can no longer be the inspirational symbol she was a week ago for the anti-gay crowd.
That is the single stupidest phrase in this whole thread, and that is saying something. Because one is not gay does not make them anti gay. And if asked her opinion, then it must have some importances to someone. And if you look for inspiration on tv watching beauty pageants, well good luck with that. Miss CA would had been an after though by now if some gay guy hadnt gotten his painties in a wad over her. Gay guys judging female pageants, good grief.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The Hatefulman
May 5, 2009 - 22:58 ET by UnsaneHowever, that doesn't change the fact that I find Miss California to be a hypocrite. This is primarily because you are very hate-filled Leftist. Don't cite God if you don't follow God. It's a simple rule, yet so many have trouble abiding by it. This is the trouble with you Leftists and Socialists who simply cannot and will not understand people will not worship your God. Your God is The State. Acting as Christ in your case is His Majesty The Shahinshah.
See, as people here know I am not religious in the least. I don't get it. It doesn't compute with me. But I am hardly offended and indignant with rage when I drive past churches on the street. I just think to myself that those are buildings that are there for people who want what they offer. No big deal. I've made my peace with that.
Religion works this way: the Bible (or whatever holy text you wish to insert) sets a guideline people are at least to make every endeavor to meet. I say this because no one is perfect. Very very few of those people meet those guidelines in full. Catholics, Orthodox, Episcopalians and various other Christian sects call these people "saints". You may have heard this term? Maybe? Note that even, in, say, Catholicism, there are very very few saints out of the billions that have followed and practiced Catholicism over the past 2000 years or so (or roughly 1700 if you want to count the Council of Nicea as your start point). There IS a reason for this.
By your lofty standard, the world MUST consist of nothing BUT hypocrites. Not so. People constantly work overtime to reach the standards set forth in the Bible. Why, for instance, is one who has extreme tolerances for various issues and causes said to have "the Patience of Job"? Simple. Because very very very few of us do. People strive to hit the bar set by Job but hardly any of us truly hit that level.
Too bad your intense hatred and contempt for all religion and all who are religious is blinding you.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Ginger, you need to focus on your bitterness with God and His
May 5, 2009 - 17:42 ET by pahuberpeople. I know that takes some interspection, but you seem like the typical liberal who gets all pissy all the time and lives to only point fingers.
Three little words for Hilton
May 5, 2009 - 16:30 ET by pocomocoI suggest Perez Hilton is really mad because Prejean is prettier than he is making it harder for him to make ‘connections’ at the bath-houses.
As for “What would Jesus say?, he would ask Mr. Hilton if ‘fire, brimstone, and abomination, ring a bell?
What would Jesus say about a
May 5, 2009 - 17:53 ET by JesseJacksonIVWhat would Jesus say about a 17 year old posing semi-nude or getting breast implants to try to win a beauty contest?
jesse, you liberals always change the topic. It is about a very
May 5, 2009 - 17:58 ET by pahuberhateful gay man trying to destroy another person.
We have no parting gifts for you, but thanks for playing.
JJIV
May 5, 2009 - 18:06 ET by cocodrieSince she said she repented, He said "Your sins are forgiven"
What do you think He says about you, gloating oner another person's sins? He specifically said not to gloat over another person's sins. How come you are casting the first stone?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
"Your sins are forgiven"
May 5, 2009 - 20:04 ET by SickofLibsCoco, you're wasting your breath on that - libs just can't grasp the concept.
They'll just go out and try and search and search until they find a conservative to try to pin the same thing on.
No such concept as personal responsibility starts and ends with yourself.
The same thing
May 5, 2009 - 18:11 ET by RESTLESS 1he says to gays. "I love, I died for you. Your are forgiven. Now go and sin no more."
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Your answer
May 5, 2009 - 20:06 ET by maxvoltJesus would say, go forth young lady and sin no more....in which I believe Miss Prejean would comply (which means she would repent and move on). The Gay Blade (Perez Hilton) on the other hand would revolt when Jesus told him to repent of his sin of homosexuality, to which, quite frankly its not hard to see Hilton telling Jesus to go fist Mary Magdelene...does anybody here doubt who between the two will be rotting in hell? The one who repents or the one who chooses to remain in their sin? I think its that clear.
Who cares? Not I
May 5, 2009 - 23:09 ET by UnsaneWhat would Jesus say? Speaking for myself only, why would I or should I care?
I am as hard-line a Rightist as one can be but what Jesus says about anything to me does not hold weight.
You have SO MUCH to learn about Rightists it isn't even funny.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Donald Trump...
May 5, 2009 - 16:50 ET by FuzzlenutterI used to have the utmost respect for this Donald Trump (a very long, VERY LONG time ago, mind you), but his complete silence on the hatredfest that he basically started (why again did he hire a flamboyant, hatred-filled, stereotypical homosexual nit-wit to officiate a women's beauty pageant??) has changed my view. I now consider him as vile as Perez Hilton...
Hey Fn... I'm with you in
May 5, 2009 - 17:12 ET by bigtimerHey Fn...
I'm with you in all respects regarding your sentiments...you know he is as happy as a clam though...money, money, money...free advertizing for him to-boot.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
.. Homosexuals and Pageants
May 5, 2009 - 17:30 ET by allanf.. the pageant is full of gay men. Who do you think does the hair and makeup, shepards the girls and runs the local pageants.
The Trumpster is convinced
May 5, 2009 - 20:14 ET by maxvoltThe Trumpster is convinced this is great for the pageant. First I thought man is he way off...but then I came to my senses, he's 100% right. While I will no longer watch the pageants, the fact is I dont watch them anyway, and my reason is I find it totally boring to watch on average 3 pretty girls with a clue amongst 47 dumb blondes...I find stupidity extremely disturbing, no matter how its packaged. Thats why I cant tolerate liberals, they are bar none the most self deceived clueless drones I have ever had the pleasure to send off babbling in their own drool, but I digress...so for me the pageants have long since been over. But Trump is right, there are millions of extremely stupid people out there who think these pageants are actually competitions..and not a zoo for mentally challanged human females. So ya, I give Trump his do.....and Im fired!
Looks Like the California People will Disqualify Prejean
May 5, 2009 - 17:28 ET by allanfAccording to CNN, California pageant officials plan to use the photos a a pretext to diqualify Miss Prejean.
For those who say a contract is a contract, think back to Tara Conner, who Trump allowed to retrain her crown despite cocaine use and a "lesbian" kiss.
Tara Conner
May 5, 2009 - 17:41 ET by SickofLibsEven The Terminator couldn't nail her.
good one
May 5, 2009 - 18:50 ET by allanflol
Cocaine use and a lesbian kiss are more forgivable than offending gay activists.
The "lone blogger" was also the judge and has been
May 5, 2009 - 17:38 ET by pahubergreatly accepted by the MSM to run with the assinine story.
Hey, Bal & Ginger instead of making fun of people when you believe they've fallen somehow why don't you guys just try to improve your own lives... or does that take effort?
1. Who's making fun of her?
May 5, 2009 - 17:44 ET by balboa1. Who's making fun of her? Can you point to the post where I made fun of her?
2. Just being here on this site with you improves my life, pahuber.
Thanks, Bal and not just yours, but everybody else too : )
May 5, 2009 - 17:50 ET by pahuberLet's just admit that many of your points are extremely obtuse.
→ Yeah, pahuber
May 5, 2009 - 19:36 ET by Cool Arrowbalboa's acutely obtuse.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
It's all a matter of degrees
May 5, 2009 - 19:41 ET by QueenMumAnd what's your angle, CA?
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
→ Obviously QM
May 5, 2009 - 19:42 ET by Cool ArrowIt's always the right angle.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Groan. I'm accused of
May 5, 2009 - 19:57 ET by balboaGroan.
I'm accused of being obtuse because I refuse to believe some of the paranoid ideas until there's actual proof, which there isn't in Iris' article.
→ bal
May 5, 2009 - 20:02 ET by Cool ArrowPlease tell me you understood the play on words.
Get it? Angles can be either obtuse or acute. Get it? "acutely obtuse" is an oxymoron?
Never mind.
And happy quatro de cinco.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA, not to worry. I got it.
May 5, 2009 - 20:09 ET by balboaCA, not to worry. I got it. :-)
RO... And happy quatro de
May 5, 2009 - 20:29 ET by bigtimerRO...
And happy quatro de cinco.
....That was rich!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Good evening BT
May 5, 2009 - 20:56 ET by cocodrieFour Spaniards in qiucksand -
sinko the quatro.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Evening coco... Si
May 5, 2009 - 21:01 ET by bigtimerEvening coco...
Si Senor...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
paranoid ideas It is not
May 5, 2009 - 20:03 ET by Free Stinkerparanoid ideas
It is not paranoia if they really are out to get you! ;-)
Bal, what paranoid ideas? That the media is giving credence
May 5, 2009 - 20:07 ET by pahuberto a very hateful male individual to bash another person for her beliefs?
I mean how many networks have allowed this honest to God nutcase on their show to discredit her?
That is the point and there are large amounts of evidence to support this idea.
No, that part is true. Perez
May 5, 2009 - 20:14 ET by balboaNo, that part is true. Perez Hilton is a scumball interested only in self-promotion. His self-righteous indignation is ridiculous.
I mean the parts that say 'The Left digs up..." "...in a clear attempt to smear."
Not everybody in the left, but there are a lot and I mean lot of
May 5, 2009 - 20:34 ET by pahuberbroadcasters out there that allow themselves to be used in the official capacity of the dnc. I probably am not going to convince you on that, but this is my take on liberal thinking.
Mary Poppins: a family show that is lighthearted and safe for children. A liberal's perspective looks like this:
http://www.youtube.c...
The shining... not good for family viewing, but a liberal view...
http://www.youtube.c...
Enjoy!
I can agree with you
May 5, 2009 - 20:43 ET by balboaI can agree with you (NOOOOOO!) that there are people out there who allow themselves to be mouthpieces for the DNC. :-)
Bal, are you trying to make me crap myself ; )
May 5, 2009 - 20:45 ET by pahuberLOL anyway, I was looking for any reason to put those links on...
Take care.
lol... yeah, he can be that.
May 5, 2009 - 19:44 ET by pahuberIn fairness, he did not make fun of her as I did unfairly lump him with ginger on that one.
Will he will still love me tomorow ; )
Putting another mans penis
May 5, 2009 - 17:55 ET by KevpotPutting another mans penis in your mouth or anus: just fine.
Hot young Christian woman poses suggestively: stone her
kevpot:
May 5, 2009 - 20:49 ET by SickofLibsNote: It is now unacceptable to use the word "penis" anymore in relation to gays.
I have just downloaded the new Gay Editorial Style Guide, and the new term is "FunTube®."
Thank you.
complete boob
May 5, 2009 - 19:28 ET by katainkenttries to create a tizzy over half a boob. Film at eleven.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
The photos are underwear modelling photos
May 5, 2009 - 19:53 ET by maxvoltWhen I first heard this story I thought oh geeze, she went off and did a Playboy or Hustler photoshoot. But when I saw the photos, I genuinely thought I was on the wrong website,as they look like Kmart catalogue underwear photos, maybe even Victorias Secret, no nudity at all only some side cleavage. And all over the webpahge it said Disgusting Miss California NUDE PHOTOS in flashing fonts. Then I realized, the site was one of those homosexual gossip sites...ahhh I get it, Gay men, Beautiful woman = disgusting. Much to do about nothing, Im back in her corner...it always pays to do your homwork before you judge...and this is yet another example of homosexual vitriol and dishonesty...disgusting, disturbed and bitter individuals is what they constantly paint themselves as...they are their own worst enemies...and WE all know it.
I'll try this fresh and new
May 5, 2009 - 23:14 ET by balboaI'll try this fresh and new one more time.
Anyone's opinion is valid, sure. BUT people, the press, pundits, etc., will tend to give more weight to one opinion over another based on the speaker's experience in life, education, the subject being discussed, etc.
I can't believe that this is that hard a concept to understand, and would love some of the more reasonable minds on this board to weigh in, including Noel, even WTH, mandrake, Cool Arrow, and others.
Goodnight.
balism, Liberal people are more equal than conservatives.
May 5, 2009 - 23:20 ET by upcountrywaterI saw Animal farm watch it again.
Reagan VS 0bama
Whatever Bal
May 5, 2009 - 23:21 ET by RESTLESS 1It may explain the ho-hum attitude toward the 0's position, (although I think we both know that's not it), but it does not explain the hatred and vitriol toward Carrie.
If her position deserves humiliation and ridicule, then so does his. If his doen't, then neither does hers. It's pretty simple really, for a "reasonable mind".
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless 1,
May 6, 2009 - 07:51 ET by AgnosticWhat I don't get about Bal's point is that while having experience and education does give credence to an opinion I would expect the reaction to be the polar opposite of his comment.
If someone without experience or noticeable intelligence offers an opinion I'm at odds with I will attempt to politely ignore that person.
If someone with intelligence and experience offers an opinion I'm at odds with I will attempt to politely debate or at least state my rebuttal.
There are a couple of names for attacking someone you don't feel capable of defending themselves - Bully & Coward.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
New Pictures
May 5, 2009 - 23:48 ET by slickwillie2001Two scandalous photos of claimed-Christian anti-gay marriage proponent leaked!
Photos Here!
May not be appropriate for work! Full breast exposure!
very slick,
May 5, 2009 - 23:51 ET by upcountrywaterThis is a family site, ick...lololol
Reagan VS 0bama
Hate Crime
May 6, 2009 - 01:19 ET by mostlymoderateIf this was reversed and Prejean was making fun of the homo Perez, it would be labeled a "hate crime".
this is why no one likes
May 6, 2009 - 04:01 ET by NonArabOmarthis is why no one likes gay militants.
She's a model and she's showing off some panties? Um... i've seen worse stuff on TV, i've seen worse stuff on Victoria's Secret commercials.
Oh wait, the model in question promotes heterosexual marriage as the only kind of normal marriage. Oh noes!
New assignment
May 6, 2009 - 07:10 ET by jdlybrandI'm guessing these scum suckers are glad they had the chance to move out of Sarah Palin's trash can for a while.
Destroy the threat
May 6, 2009 - 07:38 ET by Blogger Guy00001Whenever there is a threat to the established power of the left, all the little lefties, wherever they are, whatever their job, all rush to use the resources available to them to pounce on the threat and destroy him or her. Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber got this treatment.
This beautiful, normal woman is now getting the treatment.
beautiful, normal women
May 6, 2009 - 08:45 ET by SickofLibsI guess we're stuck with Prejean and they're stuck with Janeane Garofalo.
Good morning Sick
May 6, 2009 - 09:08 ET by cocodrieYou are going to be branded a bigot by our resident bigoted liberal supporters of abnormal behavior on here for using the word normal. Abnormal left-wing extremist liberals don't like being exposed.
The word beautiful will stir up the irrational jealousy on the left because there is no beauty in liberal women. They all exhibit that harsh, vindictive look and atmosphere of an unhappy unfulfilled life so obvious in Ms. Perez.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
miss California
May 6, 2009 - 10:02 ET by jessieHJessie R. Hamby Hilton is a weasel. Or is he a gerbil? Who cares what that little FAGGOT thinks. If the world turns gay, the population will die. Man cannot survive on sausages alone. Carrie Prejean is welcome in Missouri. Hilton is not. Who is he supposed to be anyway? Is he-she Paris's sister?
This type of behavior is
May 6, 2009 - 10:43 ET by TheGingermanThis type of behavior is becoming all too prevelant on Newsbusters.
Jessie you have problems. So hate-filled, it's disturbing.
The Newsbusters masthead needs to do something to curb the open, gay hatred around here before the site turns into LGF 2.
I'm beginning to think that the writers around here support the gay hate. There's no other explanation for their lack of action concerning overtly hateful posting.
Anyone else think this tripe is over the line? I can't be the only one, whether you agree with gay marriage or not.
Check out the Kos
May 6, 2009 - 12:00 ET by JimboHey Gingerwoman - If you want to see real hate, go check out the Kos. Want to see editor support of hate... go check out... you guessed it, the Kos.
But then again, I suspect that you already know that.
Jimbo, I don't read
May 6, 2009 - 12:04 ET by TheGingermanJimbo,
I don't read Kos. Don't like the format and am not really interested in the articles.
Furthermore, I fail to see how you can justify one group's hatred by citing anothers'. Just because they hate means the NBs should hate? That doesn't really make any sense to me. Strange logic on your part.
Jessie R. Hamby Sorry for
May 6, 2009 - 12:03 ET by jessieHJessie R. Hamby Sorry for the comment. I don't care whether someone is gay or not. For them to rake her over the coals is not right. She answered honestly to a question. I am not going to accept the "gay rights activists" to dish it out but not willing to take it. I let them make me angry. For that, i apoligize.
Fair enough, apology
May 6, 2009 - 12:06 ET by TheGingermanFair enough, apology definitely appreciated.
I just think it's unfair to lambast a whole group for the actions of one classless slob who just so happens to share the same sexual orientation.
Oh I see
May 6, 2009 - 12:07 ET by BlondeWe need the trolls here to provide us with thought police services.
Check.
I don't see you whining about the vile Olbermann, Musto, and P. Hilton lambasting someone for an honest opinion. Silly me...I guess that's not hateful.....Ms. Prejean is a Christian.
Get over yourself.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde, You are 100%
May 6, 2009 - 12:13 ET by TheGingermanBlonde,
You are 100% wrong.
I've explicity stated that Perez Hilton was wrong, is classless, out of line, offensive, is a slob and should be ignored at all costs several times on this thread.
I've done the same for Musto and Olbermann.
You should probably do a little reading before you attack.
More advice from the troll.
May 6, 2009 - 12:16 ET by BlondeCharming.
When I want troll services and/or advice, Gingerman, you'll be number one on my list.
And to burst your bubble of self-importance, I usually skip right over everything you write here.
I hope he fails, too.
Please stop
May 6, 2009 - 12:18 ET by JimboStop! or he will start throwing a hissy fit all over his mother’s basement.
No problem, Jimbo
May 6, 2009 - 12:19 ET by BlondeTwo posts to the red-headed troll is all I can muster most days.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde, You attacked me
May 6, 2009 - 12:23 ET by TheGingermanBlonde,
You attacked me for not condeming Musto, Hilton, and Olbermann, yet I DID condemn them. Explicitly.
You were wrong. I know you can never admit that, but just thought I'd let you know that you were off base.
Hmmm, considering you skip most of what I write, it's strange how often you reply to my posts. Your actions belie your claim.
So yes, you should accept my advice. It could have saved you from wasting your time writing a post that was wrong.
ROFPMP
May 6, 2009 - 12:30 ET by Jimbo"You attacked me!!!"
ROFPMP!! (rolling on floor pissing my pants)
Contradictions collapse
May 6, 2009 - 18:58 ET by UnsaneThis whine courtesy of one of the most hate-filled posters on NB.
Next, an alcoholic will show up to lecture me about my drinking.
Contradictions collapse.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
So it now looks like it's
May 6, 2009 - 11:04 ET by QueenMumPost moved by author to a more recent topic.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
Jessie R. Hamby
May 6, 2009 - 12:09 ET by jessieHThe disgusting deviants just
May 9, 2009 - 22:03 ET by AmaliaThe disgusting deviants just need to stop this and focus on things that are important. I do hope there will be a backlash against this ridiculous crap, but I highly doubt it will happen. This society is becoming more and more degenerate and uncivilized.