Who’s Tougher on Crime: Romney Or Giuliani?

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Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani used a recent fiasco involving one of opponent Mitt Romney’s judicial appointees to make political hay in the press:

“He had an increase in murder and violent crime while he was governor,” Giuliani said. “So it’s not so much the isolated situation which he and the judge will have to explain — he’s kind of thrown her under the bus, so it’s hard to know how this is all going to come out. But the reality is, he did not have a record of reducing violent crime.”

In response, Romney spokesman Matt Rhoades said in a statement: “It’s troubling that Mayor Giuliani would politicize this tragedy, but the fact is under Governor Romney violent crime in Massachusetts decreased…”1

Judiciary Contributes to Violent Crime

A brief back-story seems in order. The judge above-mentioned was appointed by then-Governor Romney released a violent felon who displayed persisting hostile intent.

Superior Court Judge Kathe M. Tuttman “overruled a lower court ruling and released convicted killer Daniel Tavares Jr. in July”. Judge Tuttman also rejected “prosecutors’ request to set his bail at $50,000 after he was arrested on assault charges.”2

Also, Tavares had “threatened to kill the governor, the attorney general of MA, Bristol County Sheriff, and other law enforcement officials when released,” according to a Massachusetts Department of Corrections document.3 In addition:

Tavares, 41, also had a long rap sheet, including eight busts on drug and robbery charges, before he hacked his mother to death and slashed a man in 1991, according to a criminal registry report.4

Apparently, none of this evidence swayed Judge Tuttman’s decision to release Tavares on his own recognizance for his latest felony arrest.

Tavares fled Massachusetts after being released.5 Four months later, Tavares pleaded not guilty to the murder of a married couple in Washington state, even though he admitted to his motive:

Though he pleaded not guilty, Tavares allegedly admitted during a taped interview that he shot the victims following a verbal fight with Brian Mauck.“He claimed that Brian Mauck verbally insulted him and that Beverly Mauck verbally insulted [Taveres’s wife] Jennifer Tavares, and that ‘after spending 20 years in prison’ he was not going to put up with being called an insulting name,” the News Tribune reported, quoting court documents.6

Though highlighting how a weak judiciary contributes to violent crime, the rest of this article will focus on violent crime rates:

· to determine who was telling the truth in this article’s initial quote, and

· as a way to ascertain which candidate might be tougher on criminals if elected president.

Romney’s Record

Romney was Massachusetts governor from January 2, 2003 through January 4, 2007.7 The latest FBI crime data available is from 2006. From the end of 2002 through 2006, the Massachusetts murder rate increased 7.3%, rape decreased 2.2%, robbery increased 12.0% and aggravated assault decreased 14.8%. Since aggravated assault comprised 65.3% of the 2006 violent crime rate, the overall rate dropped 7.8% from 484.9 in 2002 to 447.0 in 2006.

There is one more factor: Did Massachusetts reflect the overall U.S. violent crime trends during the same time period? For example, if the national violent crime trend was positive, Romney’s record would be remarkable for bucking the general trend.

Compared to the U.S. rates, Massachusetts trailed the murder rate trend by 6.3%, rape by 4.4%, robbery by 9.7%, only beating the national trend in aggravated assault by 7.1%. Again, based upon the fact that aggravated assault comprises nearly two-thirds of the overall violent crime rate, Massachusetts beat the national trend by 3.6%.

Even counting total incidents reported for 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts saw a drop from 31,137 in 2002 to 28,775 in 2006. No matter the comparison––total incidents or rates per 100,000 population––Giuliani was wrong to state that Massachusetts saw a violent crime increase while Romney was governor.8

Giuliani’s Record

Rudy Giuliani was mayor of New York City (NYC) from January 1, 1994 through December 31, 2001.9 The earliest, readily-available FBI crime data is from 1994. During the time period of 1994–2001, the NYC murder rate decreased 62.0%, rape decreased 47.5%, robbery decreased 64.5% and aggravated assault decreased 42.0%, for an overall rate decrease of 54.3% from 1,860.9 in 1994 to 851.0 in 2001.

Compared to the U.S. rates, NYC beat the murder rate trend by 24.7%, rape by 28.6%, robbery by 26.9%, and aggravated assault by 25.5%, leading the national trend by 25.0%.10 Conclusion

Despite his one public speaking error, Giuliani nevertheless wins bragging rights on the topic of which candidate has a better record addressing crime while in office, if violent crime trends are any indicator.

About the AuthorHoward Nemerov is a columnist for Texas State Rifle Association’s TSRA Sportsman and “unofficial” investigative analyst for NRA News. He can be reached at HNemerov [at sign] Netvista.net. Endnotes

[1] Uproar Over Mass. Judge Who Released Killer Takes Political Tilt for Romney Campaign, Fox News, November 25, 2007. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312743,00.html

2 Ibid.

3 Michele McPhee and Jessica Van Sack, ‘Disruptive’ con earned good behavior time off, Boston Herald, November 22, 2007. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1046368

4 Ibid.

5 Ibid.

6 Jessica Van Sack, Report: Suspect confessed to slaying ‘fun-loving’ couple, Boston Herald, November 21, 2007. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1046152

7 Mitt Romney, Wikipedia, last modified November 25, 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

8 FBI data compiled into Excel spreadsheet. Email request for copy.

9 Rudy Giuliani, Wikipedia, last modified November 22, 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Guiliani

10 FBI data compiled into Excel spreadsheet. Email request for copy.


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How many criminals have Rudy and Mitt shot?

I have a bit of a different view on Rudy and Mitt being tough on crime:

How many criminals have they personally shot?

How many criminals did each of them execute?

How many citizens who were shooting criminals did these 2 then step in and protect from zealous police and district attorneys?

How many defensive weapons do Rudy and Mitt own in their homes?

How many defensive weapons do Rudy and Mitt carry on their person for self protection?

 

I will bet the answer is DOUBLE ZERO on each. These children should not be fighting about something which both of them lack any credibility on.

 

 

 

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Guns don't make the man.

Rudy was the NYC DA before he became the mayor where he took on organized crime.  I am sure there were more than a few death threats involved for an extended period.  Rudy went to war for the streets of NYC long before 911.

It is ridiculous to attempt to smear Gov. Romney with the actions of an appointee years after he left office for a ruling he would never have condoned.

Well, heck, let's just ask

Well, heck, let's just ask Mitt. I am sure he'll tell us what ever we want to hear! He has a habit of telling anyone he is in front of what they want to hear.... no matter WHAT the truth is.

He is too liberal on some

He is too liberal on some issues, but no one has a better record on crime than Rudolph Giuliani. The  year befor he became mayor there were 1,946 murders in New York City. The year he left office that number had fallen to 714.

Conservatives should take credit for this more often.  It obliterated the left's "underlying social ills cause crime" nonsense argument, and helped prevent the further federalization of crime enforcement, which had started to gather steam with Clinton's "100,000 cops" legislation.

Corrections

I had to correct the end date for Giuliani's term as mayor, sorry. As far as the number of murders during his last year, the FBI reports that there were 649. (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_01/01crime2.pdf Table 8, page 147) The FBI actually counted 3,472 for that year, including 9/11 as homicides. However, deducting 9/11 homicides (2,823) leaves 649. (See endnote 9 at the end of Table 8.)

RUDY IS TOUGHER...

 Look at the crime stats for NYC during Rudy's time in charge...

Look at his record as a DA...

LC, I don't think Rudy would be had much to say about the death penalty as mayor or as the DA. Same goes for Mitt in MA, northeasterners don't believe in capital punishment.

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

I think the bigger issue is

I think the bigger issue is what does Romney feel about Superior Court Judge Kathe M. Tuttman's performance so far????  In retrospect, if he were still governor, would he say well done to the judge?  Would he parrot the liberal line of "an independent judiciary" as an excuse for unaccountable judges?  Or would he be moving heaven and earth to have this incompetent boob removed from office for malfeasance???????  When someone dies as a result of your decision, that is an act that makes you accountable, even sovereign immunity must yield to at least answer the questions and allow people to decide if they want such an official to continue to make such decisions. 

The bottom line is this: When a goverment official's sole duty is to render decisions, are they (judges) accountable for their bad decisions or not?  Who holds the power to make them accountable?  Or are they unaccountable and therefore tyrants by definition?  The whole premise of self governance by the people is the concept of accountability of leadership to the people for whom such power was invested for the common good. 

I am reminded of Hammurabi's Code, when a judge was found to make a faulty decision, he was removed at the very first finding, no second chances.  Such was the demand of the King for integrity of the Court to ensure the legitimacy of governmment for domestic tranquility.  You have no need to garrison one's own capitol when the people are at peace and secure in the knowledge that the powers that be are not making decisions which negatively affect them.

btw: #5 If a judge try a case, reach a decision, and present his judgment in writing; if later error shall appear in his decision, and it be through his own fault, then he shall pay twelve times the fine set by him in the case, and he shall be publicly removed from the judge's bench, and never again shall he sit there to render judgement.  http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM   Now that's what I call accountability!!!!!!

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

A lifetime appointment

Makes it very difficult to discipline the Federal variety. About the most citizen-units can hope-for is a severe tongue-lashing from Alex Kozinski...

It's sad when judges go bad, but it probably happens more than we imagine.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

Rudy's record is stronger

Rudy's record is stronger than most politicians.

Sure, others may seem more conservative - but Rudy has a record of making a lot of things better in NYC.

Did you know that abortions decreased and adoptions increased in NYC while he was Mayor too? He didn't pass any laws - he just made economic situations better for so many people - thus making it easier for women to keep their babies.

Rudy is all about empowering people instead of empowering government. And he's strong on national security. Conservatives should really jump on board.

"Conservatives should jump on board?"

Your site, politivity.com endorses Rudy and Huckabee, two RINOs.  Unfortunately, though, we have a field of RINOs, so I'll reluctantly vote for Rudy if he's the nominee....but "jump on board?"  I don't think so.