Matthews: How Long Before We See Tea Partiers Start Showing Up in Uniform, 1930s Style?
Chris Matthews, on Wednesday's Hardball, not so cryptically compared the actions of Republican volunteers to that of Nazi-style tactics from the 1930s as he claimed the restraining of a MoveOn.org activist by a Rand Paul supporter reminded him of what "we saw from hoodlums in the thirties in another country I will not mention" and added: "I mean it isn't far from what we saw in the thirties, where all of a sudden, political parties started showing up in uniform." Matthews, who was joined by Salon's Joan Walsh and the Washington Post's Chris Cillizza, even went on to claim physical attacks against political opponents was something that existed exclusively on one ideological side as he asserted that it was "right wing by its very nature."
This was the second night in a row Matthews advanced this theory and he didn't bother to mention the other side of the story, that a Jack Conway volunteer perhaps had acted violently at the Paul rally as well. The Post's Cillizza, to his credit, actually tried to talk Matthews down as he told the MSNBC host: "I don't think it is right wing by its nature. I would say at the end of campaigns, passions get very inflamed...I do not think it is a right wing thing, I do not think it is a left wing thing." However Cillizza failed in his effort to bring reason to the Hardball host as Matthews challenged Cillizza to "Name the last liberal progressive candidate who hired a private army, the last one that was stomping his political, her political opponents in the street?" before getting on his liberal high horse: "Well we see different kinds of passion here, don't we? We see one passion being reporters trying to get stories in Alaska so they could undercover skull-duggery. We have the passion of a woman who shows up to demonstrate with a wig on and a placard and then we see the passion of the other side, which is to hire armies of paramilitaries and stomp people."
(video after the jump)
The following is the full exchange as it was aired on the October 27 Hardball:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well let's take a look at this issue. Here is outside a debate before it happened where a video.com, video.org, MoveOn.org, rather, supporter tried to approach Rand Paul. This is part of this crazy that's going on. And to give him some kind of award about corporate influence peddling. Let's watch this and listen.
(video clip)
MATTHEWS: Well there you have it. There's nothing like a bit of videotape. That Rand Paul volunteer who stomped on the head of that woman demonstrator, told a local TV reporter that she should apologize to him. That woman whose head he has his foot on should apologize to him. Now this is how people think these days in that part of the world. Let's take a listen here to this guy.
(Begin clip)
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: She is a professional at what she does and I think when all the facts come out, I think people will see that she was the one that initiated the whole thing. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I would like her to apologize to me, to be honest with you.
(End clip)
MATTHEWS: And here is another point of view on the matter.
(Begin clip)
RUSH LIMBAUGH: What if somebody from MoveOn had tried to move through the crowd and give something to President Obama? What would the Secret Service have done? Television footage shows Valle's blonde wig being pulled off before she is pinned to the ground, a man puts his foot down on her head. Now in the video that AP itself posted, the man put his foot down on her shoulders, in what looked to me like an effort to help restrain her.
(End clip)
MATTHEWS: Okay, now Rush Limbaugh is not to be believed here. First of all the person's head is pinned down by this foot and everybody can see it.
JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: And this is the kind of stuff I said the other night probably, I'll say it again, the kind of stuff we saw from hoodlums in the thirties in another country I will not mention. And this kind of behavior by people who were supposedly political fans or - they go operational like this, operating as local police is something we saw up in Alaska, where they arrested a reporter. What is this behavior by American political activists where they now arrest people, stomp them? These are supposed to be people who are just good old American Tea Partiers. What's the story here, Joan Walsh? This physical behavior by people?
WALSH: This woman was wearing a wig. It was part of street theater, she was not carrying a gun, I'd like Rush Limbaugh to acknowledge, like Tea Partiers have carried guns to President Obama's rallies. She was not wearing a t-shirt saying "the tree of liberty needs to be watered by the blood of tyrants" regularly. It was street theater, she was dinging Paul on his corporate connections, that's perfectly legitimate, and she was stomped. This guy who claims that he put his foot on her shoulder, you see in the video, he takes it from her shoulder and he puts it on her head. Can you imagine that?
CHRIS CILLIZZA, WASHINGTON POST: Chris you can't, you, Chris, you know you can't-
MATTHEWS: Okay I gotta wonder, Chris Cillizza I gotta wonder when people are gonna start wearing uniforms. I mean they've got an army out there in Alaska of militia people. You've got these guys going around acing like street thugs. I mean it isn't far from what we saw in the thirties, where all of a sudden, political parties started showing up in uniform.
CILLIZZA, WASHINGTON POST: Two things, one, take it out of politics a little bit. You can't do that, right? You don't do that. You don't act like that in decent society. So, so put the politics aside. I would say-
MATTHEWS: You don't think is right wing by its very nature? Isn't this extremist politics physically manifested?
CILLIZZA: No I don't think it is right wing, no I don't think it is right wing by its nature. I would say at the end of campaigns, passions get very inflamed and sometimes people act as this guy clearly did, inappropriately, and in a way in which no person who is a member of civil society would say is acceptable. I do not think that is an ideological thing. I do not think it is a right wing thing, I do not think it is a left wing thing. I think there are people who are unable to contain-
MATTHEWS: Okay, let me ask you one last time-
CILLIZZA: Guys there are people who are unable to contain their passions.
MATTHEWS: Name the last liberal progressive candidate who hired a private army, the last one that was stomping his political, her political opponents in the street?
CILLIZZA: Chris, I'm not, I'm not defending, I'm not defending-
MATTHEWS: Name a liberal who has done that.
CILLIZZA: I'm not defending that action, I'm simply saying by saying this only exists on the right or it only exists on the left isn't fair. Passion - people who are unable to contain their political passions and act in a responsible way-
MATTHEWS: Okay.
CILLIZZA: -I don't think is because they are a Republican or because they're a Democrat or a Green Party or whatever.
MATTHEWS: Okay. Well we see different kinds of passion here, don't we? We see one passion being reporters trying to get stories in Alaska-
WALSH: Right.
MATTHEWS: -so they could undercover skull-duggery. We have the passion of a woman who shows up to demonstrate with a wig on and a placard and then we see the passion of the other side, which is to hire armies of paramilitaries and stomp people.
WALSH: And handcuff people and stomp them.
MATTHEWS: Different kinds of passion here, I think.
WALSH: Yeah it's disturbing.
MATTHEWS: Okay thank you very much Chris Cillizza - a straight reporter but I think you are missing some of the nuance of the far right these days. Joan Walsh, thanks forever.
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Is the problem that he's
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 6:47pm.
Is the problem that he's making Nazi references or that he's not telling the full story? Sure, Paul was assaulted with a piece of cardboard, but did it really take 3 men to hold her down with a stomp to the head?
Of course if it's the Nazi references, someone here must recognize the irony.
Sure, Paul was assaulted with
Submitted by libBuster on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:32pm.
Sure, Paul was assaulted with a piece of cardboard, but did it really take 3 men to hold her down with a stomp to the head? --- Another Dead Kennedy
You are kidding right? Or is this just another Kennedy classic.
You do know what assault is
Submitted by Thoreau on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:47pm.
You do know what assault is right?
The stomp on the head was not
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:50pm.
The stomp on the head was not a stomp as such, yes he did push her head down and should not have done so. However most times it takes a few people to "peacably" restrain a violent person. So yes three is ok, but he should not have stepped on her head.
In his defense he said he had a bad back and he used his foot to restrain her.
mathews is wrong about uniforms for the TEA partiers. The SEUI are the ones in uniform acting like SS troops.
Actually it's Ohio Republican
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:16pm.
Actually it's Ohio Republican Congressional hopeful Rich Iott who likes play dress up in Nazi fatigues.
DK
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:14pm.
That was part of a historical reenactment. If a Democrat was doing the same, he'd be lauded for promoting historical education, and you know it.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Uhh DK
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:34am.
Well that's not as bad as using a flyer of Nazi soldiers and saying "you always want another soldier covering your back"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nc-candidate-supports-troops-flier-shows...
"Lib free or die"
We Are The 53%
Love ya Toney - that's a
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:11pm.
Love ya Toney - that's a pretty fantastic error you linked.
Anyone seen the whole video,
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:16pm.
Anyone seen the whole video, at least from when she started doing whatever it was? I have not seen it. Does it exist?
Yes, she is seen shoving a
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:21pm.
Yes, she is seen shoving a piece of cardboard into his vehicle.
Here's a link
Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:33pm.
She is agressively shoving something that looks like foam board into the open SUV window where Rand Paul is sitting. She is sidetracked by a man in a suit who appears to be some sort of security. She then races around the front of the car as Paul is escorted off by his people. I doubt that he saw her subsequent to her pushing the foam board at him. She was very agressive in her actions. The foot on her neck was not appropriate, but the young woman was very agressive in her demeanor and could easily have been a far greater threat- especially as she was in disguise.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-video-exposes-false-na...
Thanks, thats the first time
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:55pm.
Thanks, thats the first time I'd seen the whole thing.
Looked like a possible
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 8:57am.
Looked like a possible assassination attempt to me. The Secret Service would have swamped that skank with at least 6 officers.
Chrissie and dead kennedy are truly clueless.......
Submitted by merly1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:32pm.
The attacks are almost always from the left.
Just here in MN, the RNC St Paul protestors just plead guilty this month. Palin was attacked at MOA last winter here, as was Gov candidate tom emmer at a meeting this summer. Ask Coulter and Rove about their experiences this year at "public" events........not to mention, which two Presidents were last involved in gun violence? A: Reagan and Ford.
Unless the left accepts the truth and speaks out against the leftwing violence, it is going to worsen as the wacko left gets even more frustrated.
Pauls crowd was right to take this clown DOWN, as Emmer and Palin needed this type of protection earlier this year, but didnt have it.
Yes, and conservatives just
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:05pm.
Yes, and conservatives just love changing the topic to a similar story in an effort to distract and justify the misbehavior of Mr Head Stomper.
No one is justifying that
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:30pm.
No one is justifying that guy.
this site is about media bias and people bring up examples of this bias such as the guy who got his finger bit off, but no MSM outrage.
Maybe you still don't understand the point of this website?
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
So, is the MoveOn.org supporter supposed to---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:35pm.
get a pass?
If the idiot hadn't done what she did, none of the following actions would have occurred.
Typical lib move; slap a conservative and then whine because you got knocked on your ass for doing so.
Moron mania run amok.
MD
DK
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:51pm.
Oh, so it's bad when a left-wing demonstrator gets (barely) hurt, but it's all right when right-wingers get assaulted, even when those attacks include concussions, broken bones, and other severe injuries. Is that what you're saying?
The Rand Paul campaign already fired the guy and condemned his actions. However, in many of the assaults from the left, no leader on the left has said anything to curb the violence.
Do you think it's okay for leftists to assault right-wing activists?
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
"changing the topic "
Submitted by merly1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:03pm.
Actually, the topic IS still public attacks on political figures, and the effort is to call attention to the "way too frequent" attacks by our ultralefties on conservatives. Why cant you on the left call out these hooligans, and this lady in disguise is yet again another example of guerilla confrontations. If one doesnt want a head stomping, then dont attack public figures. Doh! BTW, it isnt "similar story" but rather similar STORIES"--you know, it keeps happening!
The lady definitely shouldn't
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:39pm.
The lady definitely shouldn't have shoved the placard inside the vehicle and that alone justifies a reactive/retaliatory response--although taking her to the ground and putting a foot to her neck and head may have been excessive.
On the other hand [no pun intended], the guy who had the tip of his pinky bitten off should not have escalated a heated discussion by first throwing a haymaker to the nose of the eventual biter and knocking him to the ground. [That said, a finger chomp is a bit of an overreaction to being slugged.] In any event, although the identity of the biter was never determined [as far as I know] MoveOn did condemn the episode.
Jer
Takedown seems to have ocurred on her second attempt to assault
Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:15am.
The takedown of this young woman did not happen right after she shoved the foam board into the car window. She came after Rand Paul a second time, but he had already been hustled off and his supporters took her down. Given the current rhetoric of SEIU, Moveon, etc., it is not unreasonable to be concerned about Rand Paul's safety. The man with the foot on her neck was excessive.
[as far as I know] MoveOn did
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:31am.
[as far as I know] MoveOn did condemn the episode.Yep, wink wink, ohh we wholely condmn that the biter got caught on camera. You sound like teh UN condeming some country .... they will get around to real action soon.
"conservatives just love
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:33pm.
"conservatives just love changing the topic to a similar story in an effort to distract and justify the misbehavior of Mr Head Stomper."
Mr. Head Stomper and company were wrong. They should have picked on someone in a wheelchair instead.
The apology demander contiues to slur groups of people.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:46am.
Dead Zippers: Yes, and conservatives just love....
You the expert on what EVERY SINGLE conservative does now?
Go away troll.
Argument By Generalization:
Wasn't that pathetic wimp
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 2:34am.
Wasn't that pathetic wimp -Boy Blunder - talking about 'kicking somebody's ass' and 'keeping his boots to the throat' of BP during the overhyped oil spill?????
No, I think the problem is
Submitted by Ruths husband Ben on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 9:48am.
No, I think the problem is that Matthews doesn't realize that jumping the shark with the Nazi reference is a tacit admission that he has lost the argument, that he has no factual basis for what he is saying. Inappropriate things happen on both sides of every issue because people do the strangest things. But to equate the actions of a few with the intentions of the movement is an act of desperation because it means you cannot argue the issues, so you resort to painting everyone as "Nazi's".
The actions of the SS, for example, were not only carried out with the full knowledge of the Nazi leadership, they were actually operating under orders of the Nazi leadership. There is no resemblence between that and the action of a man in response to an unexpected event (this woman "attacking" a candidate). He didn't plan to do this, the leadership didn't know he was going to do it, and no one from the leadership told him to do it.
So, the Nazi reference was unwarranted and actually indicates the weakness of Matthews mind rather than any nefarious intent on the part of those involved.
Isn't the real question
Submitted by 10ksnooker on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:28pm.
How long before we see Democrats dressed up in their KKK garb.
You nailed that one. The
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:42pm.
You nailed that one.
The best I can remember is that the Nazis were the National Soclialist Party.
Obama's book, the Audacity of Hope is similar to Mein Kamph-My Story.
My grandma always said to clean up you own back yard before telling me to clean mine up. My grandma was a very wise woman. Tingles needs to heed her words.
Dems in KKK garb? Not anytime soon...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:50pm.
if the views of the modern Democratic party and liberalism--as generally perceived by conservatives--are compared to a prototypical KKK platform, such as this one:
1. The recognition that America was founded as a Christian nation.
2. The recognition that Ameica was founded as a White nation.
3. Repeal of NAFTA and GATT treaties
4. Put America FIRST in all foreign matters.
5. Stop all Foreign Aid immediately.
6. Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.
7. Abolish all discriminatory affirmative action programs.
8. Put American troops on our border to STOP the flood of illegal aliens.
9. Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon
10. Actively promote love and appreciation of our unique European (White) culture.
11. Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors
12. Drug testing for welfare recipients
13. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act
14. Balance the Budget
15. Rehabilitate the public school system
16. A flat income tax should be introduced to allow for the funding of community, state, and federal projects.
17. Abortion should be outlawed except to save the mother's life or in case of rape or incest.
18. We support the death penalty for those convicted of molestation and rape
19. We support a national law against the practice of hmosexuality
20. We support the placing of all persons HIV positive into national hospitals
21. Restoring individual freedoms to Christian Americans
22. We support the voluntary repatriation of everyone not satisfied with living under White Christian rules of conduct back to the native lands of their people.
23. Everyone who can work should work.
24. We support a return to parental authority without government interference in the raising of our children
25. We respect the rights of homeowners and that no one should ever be forced from their home for the non payment of taxes
26. We support state sovereignty resolutions
27. We advocate a strong defense department to safeguard American citizens
28. We support all U.S. veterans
source
One or two may be considered distinctly "liberal" [e.g. environmental policy] or liberal-leaning, a handful ideologically neutral, and several are just plain white supremacist or fringe lunacy, but quite a few appear to adhere to contemporary conservative philosophy with remarkable fidelity.
Jer
OK, Jer...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:04pm.
Yes, 3. 4. 7. 8. 9. 13. 14. 15. 16. 23. 25. 26. 27. and 28. are all views shared with conservatives. Is there anything inherently racist or discriminatory about any of those particular points? Should we simply dismiss those views because they coincide with KKK views?
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Not at all, Phryj1 This was
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:20pm.
Not at all, Phryj1 This was presented simply to demonstrate the absurdity of draping the contemporary Democratic party--and liberalism as well--in Klan sheets. But it is a technique which has been repeatedly utilized--cynically and devoid of all historical context or nuance--as long as I've been at NB.
Jer
Hey, Jer
Submitted by 26CX on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:17pm.
What's with you and the KKK? This is the second time I've seen you talking about them in the last week - and I don't spend much time on here any more.
Is there something about your past or present that you're hiding from us? ;)
Not at all, 26CX...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:36pm.
Nothing to hide. In fact, here I am on an outing with the guys in my all cotton 200 thread-count percale.
Jer
OK Jer
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:47am.
Now that was funny!
"Lib free or die"
We Are The 53%
Sure Jer, I see you Skipped Murder
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:24pm.
It was the Democrat Party that gave Blacks the poll taxes and literacy tests to keep them from voting… Republican. It was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans. It was the Democrat Party that repealed anti-lynching legislation, yet today their very liberals are hypersensitive any time a noose appears in public.
it was the Republican Party that elected the first Black congressmen and senators, and collectively wrote a plethora of civil rights legislation the Democrat Party later repealed.
You Didn't Build That.
ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:40pm.
You know that part in my post about contemporary Democratic party and lack of historical context? Well, you need to take another look at it. You're one of the worst offenders.
Jer
That's funny Jer
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:18pm.
Cause it seems that if contemporary democrats took the klan's advice on abortion, there would be a lot more black babies being born.
Also, the kkk doesn't wield much power. The democrat party does. The contemporary policies of the democrat party are responsibly for the high childbirth out of wedlock rate, the amount of single mothers in the black community, blacks having a higher percentage of umemployment, and the tragically higher abortion rate as a percentage against their population.
The kkk didn't do this. Democrats did.
(I am in no way defending the kkk. Just showing how dems have done more damage)
Neither did the Klan---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:33pm.
contribute to the monstrosities that exist today in the inner cities of all too many major metropolises.
The responsibility for those urban ghettos may be laid directly at the feet of the liberal Democratic Party.
MD
I know, I know...because they
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:48pm.
I know, I know...because they hate blacks. And are determined to exterminate their most reliable voting bloc. Makes perfect sense, which is the reason, I suppose, it keeps getting repeated here.
s/
Jer
Nice try, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:25am.
You know the "hate" meme is bullsh*t, but you just cannot resist, can you.
Why would you waste my time and yours with such an intelligence insulting sentence as "And are determined to exterminate their most reliable voting bloc."
The "s/" tag is supposed to protect you from the charge of posting utter manure?
The reason the same thing is continually posted here at NBs is because it is true and you, as a liberal, can't handle it.
And yet you get insulted every single time I remind you that as a liberal posting on a conservative site, you probably ought to expect on occasion to run head on into an opinion that may differ from yours.
You are like the Dem pols, railing at Republicans because the Dem policies, tactics, accomplishments and leader all suck, big time.
It is the obvious fact that the Dems keep their minority votes enthralled and corralled with entitlements.
That may not represent hate, but it damn sure represents both disrespect and the attitude of "business as usual" because the Dems apparently consider THEIR voters are either too stupid, or too lazy, to foster change for themselves.
MD
matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:43am.
Your post did not raise the "hate" issue, nor did the one of RESTLESS to which I was also responding--although his allusion to the abortion issue is one that is often cited as a corollary to the extermination argument. But you know damn well that those accusations have been posted numerous times--before and after your arrival here--so I'm not pulling anything out of thin air. It is most definitely not a BS meme.
The 'hatred/extermination of blacks by liberals' is a well-developed-- although not well-argued or supported--narrative at NewsBusters.
I didn't intend to suggest you were specifically referring to it in your post, but I did nonetheless, so I apologize for doing so.
Jer
No problem, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:05am.
Apology unnecessary.
I do not recall, however, seeing posts referencing liberal "hate" towards blacks; more a "taking them for granted" type theme, which, I guess, could be extrapolated into a form of hatred.
At any rate, whether just a difference of opinion or not, if hate was a theme in posts prior to my coming on board here, your statement was justified in the argumentative sense.
No harm, no foul.
MD
Not hate Jer, collossal stupidity
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:37pm.
Or, a vicious lust for power. Whichever it is, (I'm guessing the former among the liberals at large, the latter among the progressive elites), clinging to these destructive policies, when the damage being done is right in front you, is not rational.
So tell me Democrat Jer, most lynchings didn't end in murder
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:35pm.
Thanks for clearing that up...
I REFUSE to buy into your shining example of revisionist history...
You're one of the worst offenders
You Didn't Build That.
Are you really that dense,
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:44pm.
Are you really that dense, ucw? Yes, I believe you are. I've only acknowledged the role of the Democrats in the history of the Klan about fifty times.
Good grief. You're only about a half century behind.
Jer
Jer ,You are the DEMOCRAT here! ROTFLMAO
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:14am.
Yes yes, we all got your post about the good ol days, of the KKK.
We continue to handle you with kid gloves when you mention the KKK here over and over again.
"but quite a few appear to adhere to contemporary conservative philosophy with remarkable fidelity".Your lame attempt to connect the conservatives to the KKK, is dense.
You Didn't Build That.
You're demonstrating a
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:29am.
You're demonstrating a remarkable lack of familiarity with what takes place at this website. I never...and I mean NEVER bring up the KKK unless it is in response to one of the resident conservative members raising the issue. Now, I'll admit that it is raised constantly and for the most part I ignore it, but on occasion I do feel the need to correct the notion that the Klan remains dominated by Democrats or that it is somehow tied to the contemporary liberal wing of the party.
And what's with your current obsessive reference to me as a Democrat? Big deal.
Jer
I have seen this conversation with you before
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 7:41am.
But back then, you were claiming the old dimwit party morphed into the new conservative party. Of course that is patently false, as was explained to you.
This may lead one to believe, your mind has changed?
Good
The "new conservative
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 8:23pm.
The "new conservative party"? Which party is that? Who have been its candidates for the presidency?
Do you know what you're talking about? Obviously not.
Jer
Did ya pull taht from your
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:55pm.
Did ya pull taht from your back pocket? More to teh point what parts of those do you like?
How long before we see...
Submitted by Tuari on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:33pm.
How long before we see democrats dressed up in purple SEIU shirts and red ACORN shirts... oh wait...
Exactly
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:28pm.
SEIU set the pace. We've got it on video.
And don't forget the uniformed New Black Panther Party -- self-appointed, armed "security" a a polling place in Philadelphia. We've got that on video, too.
The uniforms are there, Matthews.
Uniforms, Only ones I've seen are the SEIU thugs...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:35pm.
yea power of persuasion
You Didn't Build That.
Matthews probably should consult these guys:
Submitted by Tiger on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:46pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTkGgE-hXA
Apparently Chistie Tingles
Submitted by Thoreau on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:49pm.
Apparently Chistie Tingles hasn't been keeping up with the voting booth news. Purple is the new Brown.
A Godwin's Law streak.
Submitted by samhermanmd on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:50pm.
He will keep this up until November 3rd.
We're supposed to be wearing
Submitted by TheBigB on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 7:59pm.
We're supposed to be wearing uniforms? DAMMIT! I never get this information from the mother ship.
Power is the people's to give, but it is also theirs to exercise.
Here you go
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:10pm.
Might be able to borrow one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4
Question
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:09pm.
The nation has been called a 50-50 split nation. Elections go one way, then they go the other, etc etc.
How lopsidedly conservative would election results be if the MSM was objective and not complete shills for all things liberal, providing round the clock free advertising?
And what if that were true, AND it were true that the Constituion was held in the highest regard in schools K-12 and college and every American citizen understood it and the reason for it and the importance of it?
Would progressivism or liberalism ever come within 80 points of ever winning another seat in any national office?
And if economics were a
Submitted by TheBigB on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:49pm.
And if economics were a required high school subject.......
Power is the people's to give, but it is also theirs to exercise.
High School is too late
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:54pm.
Economics should be taught from no later than 6th grade but imo various types of home economics and personal finance should start around third grade.
Check this out.
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:59pm.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/09/27/are_we_raising_a_g...
Nazi=Progressive
Submitted by Jetmore on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:14pm.
Hmmm, both hate Christianity, admire Islam for lack of remorse. Both actively support eugenics (Margaret Sanger/Planned Parenthood, ad auseum), both want total gun control('34 NFA, '68 GCA, '86 Hughes Ammendment, ad nauseum)& financial control. Both advocate a "flexible" morality & ends justifying the means. The two are far more alike than disimilar, like the difference between Lutheran/Catholic rather than Lutheran/Hindu. The Left would have you believe that conservatives are like Nazis despite the fact that Progressives almost universally share their goals and means. Naziism is a flavor of progressive thought, a kindred spirit on the far left spectrum. Unfortunately for Matthews he manages to be both ignorant and stupid.
If he thought that was scary....
Submitted by NeoKong on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:21pm.
Just wait until he has to watch the 2012 Republican convention with Sarah Palin as the nominee. He will tremble visibly.
He's Behind Nancy Grace
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:29pm.
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Holy batcrap, Batman,
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:41pm.
he even trails Oberdork, Madcow, the unhinged O'Donnell and Sgt Schultz? What a loser. Chrissie, pack it in, go home, take your thorazine and about 4 ounces of vodka.
Uniforms?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:32pm.
Don't worry, Chrissy....if it happens, I guarantee you'll be one of the first to find out about it, lol.
Meanwhile, everyone else should be on the lookout for this sign.
The left intentionally
Submitted by mattm on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:44pm.
The left intentionally provokes this kind of thing. It's part of their modus operandi.
If it weren't for the restraint of the cops and of civilized people (i.e. Republicans) there would be a hell of a lot more of this.
I guess next we'll get a song from Neil Young:
"Stomped head on video..."
Here's one of them advocating violent protest.
NAZIS had a charismatic
Submitted by rfpzzzzz on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:51pm.
NAZIS had a charismatic leader from the left. Rand Paul is an out of power outsider who opposes big government power. Why do these lefties keep using NAZI analogies for those who don't want a big, threatening government?
Worse By The Day
Submitted by rammingspeed on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 8:59pm.
The left is on a death march. They have been for a long time. Hate to use the analogy, but '08 was for them like a cancer patient going into remission. Once their malignant agenda was unleashed after the election, the body "progressive" started dying once again. Matthews is burying his hopeless cause on a daily basis with his insane rants. And his mates won't even get a decent burial.
If this had been reversed. . .
Submitted by rick.bren on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:03pm.
and a Jack Conway supporter had stepped on the head of a Rand Paul supporter, the headline might have read - Conway Supporters Stop Potential Assailant From Paul Campaign.
What a bunch of hypocrites. . .
Matthews forgets it's his
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:06pm.
Matthews forgets it's his side that's going to start wearing uniforms and beating people up in the street.
In fact, the beating-up part has already begun. They've even bit off someone's finger.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Because Chrissy asked so very nicely...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:38pm.
"Name the last liberal progressive candidate who hired a private army, the last one that was stomping his political, her political opponents in the street?" Any Democrat who has SEIU thugs supporting him/her. The Dems have made sure the SEIU is well funded through porkulus (and gotten a hefty kickback this campaign season) and SEIU has been sending out thugs to intimidate, vandalize, and assault right-wingers. How many incidents of violence against right-wingers have happened in just the last year? And if Chris wants to talk about uniforms, how about those purple shirts the SEIU thugs wear? If the shoe fits...Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Who hired the New Black Panther Party?
Submitted by TheHistorian on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 7:12am.
Why were the New Black Panthers outside of the Philadelphia polling places intimidating voters? Were they there due to a heightened sense of civic responsibility? Or did someone hire them as a goon squad? If the latter, it sure wasn't the tea party!
Remember Obama saying that we needed a domestic army as well equipped as the military? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIJSsBVAk0E
Lieberals are the party of the jackbooted thugs, NOT those of us dumping tea into the harbor.
Dennis Prager
initally
Submitted by spepper on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:40pm.
well, initially Tingles, they'll have to dress up in garbage -uh- waste management uniforms, to clean up after the previous occupants in Congress.......
1930`s Uniforms?
Submitted by NVRAT on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:41pm.
You mean like Obamas "BROWN SHIRTS" Chris?. You are truly a idiot!. Go play with your self you tiny little woos. If your program could possiably tell the truth you might have some viewers.
How long before even
Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 9:56pm.
How long before even hard-core liberals get tired of listening to the little spitter who cried "Nazi!"?
Uniformed & Indoctrinated
Submitted by xraynova on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:01pm.
MATTHEWS: Okay I gotta wonder, Chris Cillizza I gotta wonder when people are gonna start wearing uniforms. hmmm... you mean like this ?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGYChrissy's new outfit
Submitted by nkviking75 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:22pm.
How long until Chrissy wears a white jacket with really long sleeves that tie in the back?
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
If all goes well, hopefully
Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:27pm.
If all goes well, hopefully around 10 or 11 PM on November 3rd, or - at the latest - the morning on November 4th. I believe the commitment paperwork has already been drawn up and is waiting...
Listen closely.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:22pm.
The sound you hear is a moron squealing as it sees it's slaughter ahead.
No matter how many times
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:40pm.
No matter how many times lefties try to say Hitler was a right winger, he will always be a leftwing SOCIALIST PROGRESSIVE! In his own WORDS and DEEDS. Calling him a 'fascist' (which the socialists had to invent to try to change him into something else once he invaded the soviet union) didn't make him or mussolini NON SOCIALISTS.
Nope. There were certainly
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 10:55pm.
Nope. There were certainly left/statist aspects of the National Socialist German Workers Party and even Hitler can be considered left-wing in a limited sense, but he distrusted and deplored and ultimately purged the more liberal elements of the party and was considered a "rightist" by almost every objective historical defintion of the term..
Jer
So, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:47pm.
you gonna tie "rightist" to Hitler and leave it at that as a way of subliminally suggesting that Hitlers ways rubbed closely against conservatism?
You mentioned initially in your post about how Hitler can be considered left-wing in a limited sense, but as usual, while playing up your "I call out both sides" argument, you very slyly work your message as propaganda by ending it as slanted against the right, at least as far as it is represented by modern conservative values versus those of Nazi Germany.
MD
objective historical defintion
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:52pm.
Aka, liberal, lol.
In today's other revisionist history news, turns out FDR was actually thrifty, and Churchill was a peacenik.
ckc1227...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:00am.
As you well know, or should know, it is the hstorical revisionism engaged in by the "right" over the past couple of decades which has cobbled together the Hitler was a Lib/Leftist nonsense.
Jer
On occasion, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:46am.
you manage to amaze even me with your dyed-in-the-wool liberal cant.
You thinking maybe to apply for the lead role in "Horatio at the the Bridge" if someone decides to turn the poem into a movie?
Battle those conservatives, even when outnumbered on a conservative site.
Even when you find yourself benumbed by waves of common sense that destroy your ability to form a coherent talking point when utilizing liberal dogma.
That does seem to be the current lib dilemma, though.
While it is well known that the victor in war gets to write the history relative to same, it is also well known here on a conservative site that liberals bend, twist, torque, warp, expunge and erase as necessary to make themselves look good in relation to history.
Even, and sometimes especially, recent history.
Liberals, to a great degree, assume people are stupid, and have no memory.
The fact that Obama was put in office certainly proves the former, and the fact that almost 50% of the dorks in this country still approve of ol' purple-lips, means that fact is still alive and well.
MD
Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:57am.
One thing for sure: I need HELP! I think the number of lib commenters is at an alltime low at this site--at least in the 3 1/2 years I've been around.
Maybe it will pick up once the kinks are worked out re the site revamp.
But it leads to mistakes....Like my reading posts too quickly and anticipating arguments which haven't explicity been made--as I did in response to your 'libs/minority policies' post a few minutes ago.
Jer
1 Down 11 To Go
Submitted by kilrod on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 8:31am.
"One thing for sure: I need HELP! " Yep thats the first step to recovery, admitting you got a problem. And it's only a 12 step progam, so 1 down 11 to go.
In the meantime you need to bear in mind that "usefull idiot" pays better than "useless idiot". Most of your comrades that come to this site don't make the cut.
(grins) kilrod "the Birther"
"If an inborn child cannot trust you, why should I,"~?
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Bzzzzt. Wrong. Not our fault you fell for Soviet propaganda.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:08am.
Thank Joseph Stalin
Indirectly yet powerfully, Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin is responsible for the classic political spectrum commonly used to show the relationships between schools of political thought and the systems they engender. This is what happened:
Adolf Hitler's National Socialist movement was, as the name clearly says, a party of the left. While not explicitly Marxist-Leninist, National Socialism accepted the essentials of that worldview while adding Germanic racial supremacism to the mix. This is not the place to lay this out in detail, but it is part of the historical record. Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism includes the best recent treatment of the subject. Thus it was not astonishing that in 1939 Hitler and Stalin found ample common interests to establish an alliance, nor did it astonish that Communist Party members in the West almost unanimously took up support for Nazi Germany. The alliance simply recognized the ideological kinship between the two.
Then in 1941, Hitler turned on his fellow socialist and invaded the Soviet Union. How was Stalin to explain or rationalize this turnabout? What ideological signboard could he put around Hitler's neck that would make sense in the Soviet political context? Certainly Stalin could not let it appear he had been duped by a fellow socialist, nor could he allow Hitler to give socialism a bad name. The solution was to label the bad guys, Hitler and the Nazis, as polar opposites of the good guys, Stalin and the Communists. Fascism - a leftist, socialist doctrine - was abruptly and absurdly labeled a phenomenon of the extreme right.
From 1941 onward into the postwar era, Soviet propaganda, diplomacy, and scholarship consistently depicted Nazism as a right-wing phenomenon, communism on the left, with the Western powers arrayed on a vague spectrum somewhere in between. Western academics and journalists fell into the same practice, often but not always because of their own leftist sympathies. Few bothered to contest the analysis and assumptions that underlay the new model, and it was a convenient way to depict and describe political camps. Thus the classic political spectrum of the 20th century became second nature to everyone, not just to communists.Okay, Vet.. We've got Trix
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:30am.
Okay, Vet..
We've got Trix Rabbit opting for the Fourth Congress of the Communist International in 1922 establishing the spectrum, while the American Rethinker and the Jonah Goldberg school of revisionist history weighs in with Stalin in 1941.
Anybody else?
Jer
Yeah, me, Jer,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:40am.
see my 01:23 post.
The post numbers change , so I won't trust that system.
I think my thought ties in with what Trix said, and also the Vet, and though actual time and date would surely be difficult to pin down, the spectrum you mention would easily fit within the proferred parameters.
MD
Don't believe I have ever mocked the name of another site.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:42am.
Said they post lies. Said I don't go there. Can't recall mocking the name as an outright dismissal.
Wait.... Nope. Haven't done it. Can't recall. Really really really don't think so.
Alas Bzzzzzt. Fallacious argument - Inflation of Conflict.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:48am.
Inflation Of Conflict:
Just because Trix and my link may disagree somewhat as to the origin does not automatically make you right.
An underhanded argument from Uncle Jer. Shame on you sir.
Jer,
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 11:59pm.
The only reason national socialism is considered "rightist" is because the Soviet Union and the IV Congress of the Third International said it was.
Why? Because Mussolini and Hitler didn't tow the INTERNATIONAL party line, but rather, followed the NATIONALIST line.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Really, Trix...So it was the
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:11am.
Really, Trix...So it was the imprimatur of the Soviet congress which established the metric by which the world's ideologies and politico/economic models of the 1920's and 30's were measured and aligned? And who says this, other than you?
Jer
An examination of the politics that led up to---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:56am.
Operation Barbarossa do show that Russia had indeed viewed Nazi Germany as Trix stated, despite the original peace pact between the two countries; though the realization of those views were not actually solidified as fact until after the war.
MD
Matthew...The peace agreement
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:04am.
The peace agreement was nothing more than a temporary arrangement of mutual strategic benefit to Stalin and Hitler, who both knew would collapse sooner or later. It just so happened that it was shredded a bit sooner than Stalin anticipated.
Jer
Jer,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:23am.
agreed as far as the pact and the machiavellian moves by both Hitler and Stalin, though I believe Stalin was caught flat-footed.
As regards the foisting of the term "right" on Hitlers Nazi machinations, it did come from Stalinist Russia, and I believe the phrase to have been coined (more properly originated for possible future use) not only far before Barbarossa took place, but possibly by even by as much as five to seven years prior.
MD
Jer
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:12am.
I would like to know what about Hitler and the Nazis were considered right?
Or should I say conservative?
Limited government, fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, etc...
"Lib free or die"
We Are The 53%
It just amazes me how
Submitted by pcantidote on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 8:37am.
It just amazes me how progressives are so threatened by the founding principles of this country. It is so sad.
News flash Chris: The brown shirts believed in a big and all powerful authoritarian central government. Now who does that really sound like?
More Hyped Journalism?
Submitted by MeanJeep on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:23am.
The way this is portrayed in the media is as if it was like a brick to the head of an innocent truck driver or a skate board head shot during a riot. There was no stomp period. The supporter had his foot on her shoulder and it slid off toward her neck from her lack of cooperation, so he put it back on her shoulder. Nothing intentional in the context of a stomp to the head is to be seen as evidence in this video. And they say it doesn't take much to get Conservatives panties in a bunch, this is a really lame stomp on the facts that prove nothing but liberals propensity for hyping false allegations.
The problem with the Nazi = conservative argument
Submitted by JakeMo on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:55pm.
Here's the thing that doesn't make sense.
If libs truly believe conservatives are Nazis, why are they building up a huge government structure that controls everything from health and housing to media and markets?
If conservatives are always just one election away from controlling the apparatus of government, does it make sense to create a government so huge and powerful? Aren't libs scared the centralized power they've amassed can be used against them?
Of course not. Because they know the government they've built guarantees their own power for centuries to come. And they fear conservatives want to dismantle the source of their power and replace it with freedom.
But that doesn't induce fear and panic in the masses quite like a Nazi! label does.