Matthews: Chilean Miners Would Be Dead if They Followed Tea Party's 'Every Man for Himself' Philosophy
Leave it to Chris Matthews to shoe-horn in a crass political point against the Tea Party, even in the midst of a heartwarming story like the rescue of the Chilean miners. On Wednesday's Hardball, the MSNBC host, along with his guest Richard Trumka, president of the AFL/CIO, claimed those miners would never have survived if they had followed the "every man for himself" philosophy of the Tea Party crowd.
After Trumka initially recounted his joy at watching the miners being rescued, he quickly veered into his standard rhetoric of the need for more regulation. Matthews then picked up on Trumka's cue to launch into an attack on the Tea Party, as he distorted their limited government view as one of total anarchy that would mean "no more government, no more everything," as seen in the following exchange:
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CHRIS MATTHEWS: Okay let's talk about what the...message to a lot of the people was. The message coming out of the Tea Party people, and lot of them are good people, is every man for himself, basically. "No more taxes, no more government, no more everything. No more safety net. No more health care for everybody. Everybody just get out there, make your buck, save it, screw the government, move on." Right?
RICHARD TRUMKA: Yeah.
MATTHEWS: You know these people, if they were every man for himself down in that mine they wouldn't have gotten out.
TRUMKA: That's exactly right.
MATTHEWS: They would have been killing each other after about two days. This is a story of how people can work together, the people who were down there for two months. The people who were above ground from all over the world, using state of the art equipment not to get rid of the need for manpower but to save manpower in this case.
TRUMKA: You know this is just another example of how radical the Republican Party is becoming, do away with the minimum wage. You just talked about that. Bad policy, it will wreck the economy. If you didn't have government regulation, you wouldn't have clean water, you wouldn't have cars that were safe, you wouldn't have electricity that you could afford, I mean, just a number of things where you need a good, efficient government and they just throw all that aside.
The following is a more complete transcript of the exchange that was aired on the October 13 edition of Hardball:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Joining me right now is an old pal of the show, the AFL/CIO president Richard Trumka. I want to get to, because this guy worked down in a mine, about half mile down. You know what it was like. By the way you let's start with that because it's very human interest. We haven't talked about it tonight, but it is thrilling to watch those guys. You were there at the Chilean embassy.
RICHARD TRUMKA: I was, when they were bringing out the first miners out and I can tell ya, they were like our brothers. And it was almost like I hit the lottery. There was this feeling of elation because the Earth doesn't normally give up a live body after that, being trapped underground that long. This one, when the first miner came out it was like, it was just like my brother or my uncle or my dad or anybody coming out. It was just such a win for us.
But, but it brings up two other issues I think you have to look at it, Chris. One we're very, very elated that these miners are safe. Second of all we have to thank the rescue workers that got them there and third, it's the lack of health and safety in the mines of the world, doesn't know boundaries, because you have to have good laws that are - and you have to have the people with the will to enforce them and the resources to get it done and we don't have that in the mining industry.
MATTHEWS: I got another elation out of it. I've never been a miner like you, we were just talking about claustrophobia off - which I think I would probably have down there, because you said some guys are susceptible to it. You are third generation of working down in the deep mines.
TRUMKA: Correct.
MATTHEWS: Okay let's talk about what the, the, the sort of the, the message to a lot of the people was. The message coming out of the Tea Party people, and lot of them are good people, is every man for himself, basically. "No more taxes, no more government, no more everything. No more safety net. No more health care for everybody. Everybody just get out there, make your buck, save it, screw the government, move on." Right?
TRUMKA: Yeah.
MATTHEWS: You know these people, if they were every man for himself down in that mine they wouldn't have gotten out.
TRUMKA: That's exactly right.
MATTHEWS: They would have been killing each other after about two days. This is a story of how people can work together, the people who were down there for two months. The people who were above ground from all over the world, using state of the art equipment not to get rid of the need for manpower but to save manpower in this case.
TRUMKA: You know this is just another example of how radical the Republican Party is becoming, do away with the minimum wage. You just talked about that. Bad policy, it will wreck the economy. If you didn't have government regulation, you wouldn't have clean water, you wouldn't have cars that were safe, you wouldn't have electricity that you could afford, I mean, just a number of things where you need a good, efficient government and they just throw all that aside.
MATTHEWS: Well why do people buy the rhetoric?
TRUMKA: I don't think they do buy t.
MATTHEWS: They say, "Get rid of all regulation, get rid of taxes, get rid of government." And, yet when they buy it. I always like this. We're Catholic, on Friday, we always had tuna fish, right? And, and you open up the can, you want to know that somebody besides the guy making buck off of it, made sure it was clean, it wasn't ptomaine in there.
TRUMKA: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: When you get up in an airplane I want to know there's some kind of an FAA that's looking at regulation or safety. I want to know there's somebody besides making the buck. Doesn't everybody have that, when it comes to them? They believe in government?
TRUMKA: See I think what they try to sell is every person should do that for themselves. And no one, no worker has the wherewithal to do that. If you are rich, you might be able to taste, buy somebody or have somebody taste your food for you, but they can't afford, I couldn't afford to make sure my planes are safe, that I'm properly regulated, my drinking water is safe, that the food is safe that we do. That the automobiles that we drive have been improved year after year to protect health and safety.
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Trade the whiners for the miners
Submitted by peteydee on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 6:59pm.
Too bad those two wouldn't be able to fit in the capsule that is bringing the Chilean miners to the surface.I'd like a one way down for Matthews and Trumka.
What blithering
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:00pm.
What blithering idiots.
What they are talking about is not limited government most Tea Partiers advocate but anarchy, no government at all. The anarchists are the extreme Left-wing that sees humans and especially corporations as spoilers of the earth.
It's all marxist propaganda man...
Submitted by stage9 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:36pm.
Liberals use the television to their propagandistic advantage. They know what they're saying is ludicrous, but that's not their aim. Their aim is to "tell a lie often enough and people will begin to believe it."
There are people sitting in communist prisons today undergoing the same torturous propaganda which is aimed at "re-educating" them.
Liberals are re-educating the American people on a whole host of things: American history, politics, religion, economics. Demonizing Tea Partiers, real average Americans, is all a part of the re-education process.
Saul Alinsky would be proud.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Maybe Chrissie would like to discuss liberal/socialist policies
Submitted by lsudolemite on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:05pm.
directly responsible for the deaths of millions of people, such as the banning of DDT, abortion on demand, the Ukraine famine under Soviet rule, etc.
Exactly what liberal policy
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 5:55am.
Exactly what liberal policy created the Ukranian famine?Stalin and the Ukranian Famine...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 7:15am.
Shovel ready jobs
For more than fifty years the Soviet regime blatantly denied the very existence of the Famine.
Dr. Martin outlined four aspects of the Stalinist Terror of the early 1930s: the Famine; the mass deportations and executions of peasants; the criticism and curtailment of Ukrainization; and the wide-spread repression
in Soviet Ukraine of Galician emigres and the rural and urban intelligentsia, including members of the Polish and German minorities.
You Didn't Build That.
It really goes without saying
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 7:41am.
It really goes without saying that the Holodomor was one of the worst politically motivated crimes in History that shows the insidiousness of orthodox Maxist-Leninist though.. My question, however, was exactly what _liberal_ _policy_ caused this... In other words, what kind of policy that can be easily mapped into a modern "liberal" agenda was responsible for it? Just because the liberal -> left -> socialist -> communist -> Stalin "six degrees of separation" game is quite unhelpfull.. My point is that liberal policies can indeed be quite pernicious and misguided, but to state that any modern serious "liberal" person or the policies that they advocate are somehow parallel to Stalin doesn't really make any sense...I think the proper word here...
Submitted by ontheright on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:02am.
...would be ideology, not policy.
However, this "distort the message" methodology is typical of most liberal projecters - deflect, so as to confuse the message, while ignoring the underlying point.
oTr
The word that was used was
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:45am.
The word that was used was policy, so that was what i was commenting on... But just replace the word and my point remains the same...try to trace orthodox Marxism-Leninism ideology to modern day "liberal" (which would best be defined as Social Democracy) ideology.. And do you really have to insinuate that i am a "liberal" just because i made a point that is slightly antagonistic to a previous offhand comment? Does me not thinking a comparison between Stalin and modern day Social Democracy to be valid automatically determine my political beliefs?If the shoe fits...
Submitted by ontheright on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:54am.
By the way, would the Obamacare Law be considered an example of "social democracy"? If not, how should it be defined?
How about "...spreading the wealth..."?
Or, "...fundamentally transforming the country...?
Etc.
oTr
No, the shoe doesn't "fit"...
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:22am.
No, the shoe doesn't "fit"... I'm probably more pro-free-market than you (if i can return the insult by deducing your beliefs from a few lines on a screen). Progressive taxation and universal health care are hallmarks of Social Democracy so yes, it is social democracy (which i do not support, by the way) what's your point? where does Stalin come into the picture? (which was my original _and only_ point)...
So more like Phil Donahue
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:59pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjH4QBSwWlg&feature=related
The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
You Didn't Build That.
Priceless Milton at his best
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 2:27pm.
Priceless Milton at his best :) Still no NKVD though..."to state that any modern
Submitted by mattm on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:58am.
"to state that any modern serious "liberal" person or the policies that they advocate are somehow parallel to Stalin doesn't really make any sense"
I beg to differ. It may* be true that today's liberals don't have a eugenics-type goal in mind (unless free abortions on demand qualify) with their policies, and they may* be well intentioned, but the end results are the same: less freedom, more government control, lower living standards, more death... It may* not be an equation, and the consequences may* not be intended, but the parallels are definitely there.
*I use "may" or "may not" because liberals have stated their desire to control people and deliberately harm certain segments of the economy to force them into government dependency.
The only difference between today's liberals and the Hitlers and Stalins of the past is that they're more stealthy about it.
You left out Mao
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 10:14am.
"The only difference between today's liberals and the Hitlers and Stalins of the past is that they're more stealthy about it ""
You must be slipping
not enough sleep...
Submitted by mattm on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:17am.
not enough sleep...
I understand the principle,
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:35am.
I understand the principle, but i think there is a huge qualitative (not to mention quantitative) difference between "more government control, less freedom" and the death fields of Ukraine (which were politically motivated repressions and not the intended or unintended result of economic policies). Even the most far-left of the serious (and i do stress serious) liberal politicians and commentators profess to have, as its ultimate goal, a society somewhat akin to the North European societies of the present. I understand these societies can seem abhorrent for someone with a classical American outlook, but they are hardly the Soviet Union...Francisco---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 4:50pm.
"--and the death fields of Ukraine (which were politically motivated repressions and not the intended or unintended result of economic policies).
I seriously doubt that any "politically motivated" repressions (key word - repressions, plural) did not factor in the terrible swift sword of economic instability.
I understand the point you make, but disagree with your wording.
MD
Fat head union hack...
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:06pm.
Trumped up and Spittles here STILL DON'T GET IT.
The tea partiers are NOT anti-government, they are for LESS government involvement as they know, like other SMART people know, the "gubment" plays a role, but is not ALL MIGHTY like Oblunder and his cohorts make it out to be or WANT it to be.
Bleepin' morons, there is a difference.
My bad, these same buffoons can't grasp that we are PRO legal immigration but against ILLEGAL immigration.
They WILL get it in November.
Check out Oblunder in an upcoming NY times (I think) article where he is already blaming others and blaming his not being "political ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha" enough over his first 2 years.
He sees the writing come November and Meeeeechelle "aint" going to save em'.
Seniority
Submitted by okiehawk44 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:13pm.
If Trumka or other unionists were running this rescue they would be filing grievances because seniority rules were not being closely followed.
Hell, can you imagine the
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:18pm.
Hell, can you imagine the bill for overtime, double overtime, benefits, vacation pay, sick pay, union dues........and every other damn cost they could tack onto the bill.......plus, as you say, all of the grievances, union protocol breaches, complaints, and everything else they could come up with!!!
And that would have been happening LONG before these poor guys were even getting close to being rescued!!!!!
A little backwards...
Submitted by retrocon on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:32pm.
if they were Obama liberals in that mine, they would have all died waiting for the government to help them...
i know what you're thinking... but here's the scenario:
The miners are trapped, in pops the drill bit, instead of rapping on it to get the attention of the operator, they say "Just ignore it, it will go away. The government will be here to get us out soon."
Then, after several more near misses with the drill bits, where the miners could have made themselves known, they all die.
You know where this is going...
When they get to heaven and they confront God, he says, "What happened down there?" They all said "Well, we were waiting for the government to come down and save us, and they never did." God just replies "Well, the mining company drilled close enough for you to signal them several times, you could have been saved, why didn't you bang on the drill?"
Answer: "We're shovel miners, our union doesn't allows us to touch the drills."
Matthews & Trumka: A Bug and a Thug
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:42pm.
What a pair these two make.
A Leghumper and a head
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:20pm.
A Leghumper and a head thumper????
A jaw flapper and a knee
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:21pm.
A jaw flapper and a knee capper???
Matthews & Trumka ...
Submitted by Jack Coleman on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:29pm.
... a poodle and a gerbil
We saw in the Katrina
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:46pm.
We saw in the Katrina disaster what happens when the citizens rely on government to take care of everything. The government cannot be everywhere or have the resources to handle a large catastophe. Katrina hit not only New Oreleans but also devastated the coasts of Mississippi and Alabama. Only in New Oreleans was there a large population that did not know how or have the means to care for themselves. Only a disciplined and self-reliant citizenry can make a great country.
And it's why those areas of
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:31am.
And it's why those areas of Mississippi and Alabama are lightyears ahead in regards to Katrina recovery. Waveland, Mississippi for example was just about wiped off the map and within 5 years has bounced back quite nicely. They still have a long way to go, but compare the damage there with the lower 9th ward's damage in N.O. due to Katrina and then compare where each are today in terms of recovery. Waveland people didn't wait for goverment -- lower 9th did.
What twits.
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 7:48pm.
What they ought to be saying is that Barry should take lessons at the feet of the President of Chile for his leadership in the face of a crisis.
Clueless Obama....while the President of Chile has been relentless in his pursuit of freeing the miners from their tomb. Political capital be damned....he was there, has been there for the last 21 hours, for good or for bad. And there's no doubt, this rescue effort, televised live, could have gone horribly wrong.
Obama pretends to be "above it all"....his handling of the oil spill in the Gulf was abysmal compared to what the President of Chile has done.
But wittle Cwissy has to make his idiotic political "points". Dumber than dirt, Matthews. Truly.
For the 465th time since November '08, I am embarassed by my country, I mean...my country's leadership and it's media shills.
(And might I remind everyone that I met a lady from Honduras last summer, who truly made me embarassed, when Hill & Barry were trying to prop up the Honduran wannabe dictator).
I'm glad he failed. Really. Truly....delighted he's failed.
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I agree with one thing
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:03pm.
I agree with one thing Matthews said, make your buck and save it. A good number of people in this country spend their money on things like 57 inch t.v.'s and new cars every 5 years. Fine, but when they have a problem and can't pay for health care or their mortgage, the government comes after the rest of us. I didn't spend my money on that stuff, so why do I have to finance it when someone else does?
There are people who have financial difficulty through circumstances out of their control, and I give to charities to help those people. But the government wants us to subsidize people who have made bad choice. You give them money Chrissy, but stay out of my pocket!
You summed it up well.
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:29pm.
The Government doesn't need any more of my money.
___________
Make sure no body tells obama what comes after "trillion"
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Maybe we could trade presidents with Chile
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:04pm.
...and if we're lucky, both Prissy and this stoopid union goon would go with Obama. -DaveVote for the American in November
R D .....go with obama....
Submitted by ww thumper on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:25am.
BRAINLESS VP Bite me too! ;-) WW
MY PASTOR SAYS "GOD BLESS AMERICA"!!!I ASK " GOD SAVE AMERICA, AND RESTORE OUR AMERICAN HONOR!"
Sheep
Submitted by Nonanon on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:31pm.
Why aren't more Democrat voters offended by the liberals who claim they are so stupid that they would drink dirty water, breathe dirty air, buy and use unsafe cars or other products, have no form of health insurance, etc.,,, unless 'the government' does all of this for them? I guess this would require thought on their part which is cast aside in favor of emotional pleas or feelings. I get dizzy trying to follow the circles these folks run in as they get more idiotic with each lap they make.
Why aren't more Democrat
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:40pm.
Why aren't more Democrat voters offended by the liberals who claim they are so stupid that they would drink dirty water, breathe dirty air, buy and use unsafe cars or other products, have no form of health insurance, etc.,,, unless 'the government' does all of this for them?
It's the reason they ARE those voters. They don't see it.
So Matthews and his boy can't tell the difference between people doing for others because they want to and people being forced by goverment to do for others regardless of what they want and what those others even need.
These clowns are so stupid
Submitted by GregE on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:47pm.
They say so much BS it's hard to even keep up, so I'll address one part........
TRUMKA: You know this is just another example of how radical the Republican Party is becoming, do away with the minimum wage. You just talked about that. Bad policy, it will wreck the economy. If you didn't have government regulation, you wouldn't have clean water, you wouldn't have cars that were safe, you wouldn't have electricity that you could afford, I mean, just a number of things where you need a good, efficient government and they just throw all that aside.
Wreck the economy. Where's he been lately?
"....they just throw all that aside."
No, actually we don't but nice try. What a moron. We know what government is for, what it's Constitutional mandate is. He thinks the word regulate means to take over and run things. It doesn't. Heading up a corrupt union is actually the perfect job for the guy. Great fit.
Idiotic in so many levels
Submitted by octavioj on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 8:58pm.
Conservatives are usually much more compassionate than liberals. They are more in favor of charity as they are usually more religious. This is an idiotic statement in so many levels.
What government agency saved them????
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:24pm.
Chile's President Pinera is a right of center billionaire who decided to put the needs of the men ahead of politics. (FYI unemployment in Chile under his conservative policies has dropped from 9.7% last year to 8.3% and still falling) If these men died his career would have been over and so he reached out to PRIVATE INDUSTRY worldwide to get the best technology to free the men. It was an American company not the government run mining company that dug the rescue shaft that freed those men:
Jeff Hart was drilling water wells for the U.S. Army's forward operating bases in Afghanistan. The contractor from Denver, Colorado, spent 33 days operating the drill that finally provided broke through to the miners last weekend. "You have to feel through your feet what the drill is doing; it's a vibration you get so that you know what's happening," says Hart, 40. After the Aug 5 collapse at the privately-owned owned San Jose mine, the state-owned Codelco mining company reached out to Geotec Boyles Bros., a U.S.-Chilean company, to handle one of three simultaneous drilling efforts to rescue the miners.
Geotec assembled a team of drillers, including engineers from two Pennsylvania companies - Schramm Inc., which makes the T130 drill, and Center Rock Inc., which makes the larger than average drill bits. Hart, a specialist with handling the T130, was summoned from Afghanistan. Hart says it was the toughest hole he's drilled, due to the tough quartzite rock that sits between the mine's veins of gold and copper. Hart received a champagne shower after breaking through to the miners on Saturday.
If it was up to Chrissy he would have let the government run mining company handle the rescue and those men would still be underground. Don't hold your breathe waiting for Chrissy to praise American ingenuity and exceptionalism on display once again. The Chilean President has been profuse in his praise and even the lefty Bolivian Chavis wanna be President Morales praised the American's work in digging the rescue shaft the miners used as one of the miners is a Bolivian citizen.
tired of liberal lies
EVERY Tea Party Candidate must mention this!
Submitted by gopcongress on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 2:03am.
The conservative/libertarian Tea Party candidates should HAMMER HOME this very important point! Without Hart and Center Rock, the miners would still be in the mine until Christmas. Keep in mind there were three relatively competing drilling operations going on; Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C. Hart and CR were on Plan B. Not only did they break through, but they worked with Nasa Engineer Clint Cragg, who worked on submarine rescue pods of all things, to calculate the proper pitch, roll, and diameter of the shaft that was necessary.
In other words, it was AMERICAN CAPITALISM, not STATE SOCIALISM, that got this round going. Please note that Center Rock did this all for NO official money, but in actuality the positive publicity will most probably overshadow any payment they could receive. In addition, UPS moved the 13 ton drill from Berlin, PA to Chile in 44 hours. This is NOT INSIGNIFICANT, as 13 tons takes HOURS to properly load onto an aircraft.
OUR TEA PARTY CANDIDATES must INTERNALIZE this particular sequence to differentiate themselves from the tingle crowd.
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To be fair, i think he was
Submitted by Francisco on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 5:59am.
To be fair, i think he was referring to which entity would assume the initiative, responsibility and funding for these kind of operations in the absence of an effective government, not which parties would do do the actual technical work....The phrase "effective government"---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 5:04pm.
as far as the abilities of the Obama administration is concerned, is an oxymoron.
The word "moron", however, is an aptly descriptive word for most of the individuals involved in any activity within the three rings located inside the big top.
MD
well certainly there would be
Submitted by Bretner on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:29pm.
well certainly there would be more mining accidents because the tea party believes in no government oversight or regulation. I wouldn't get in a plane or eat manufactured food if the government was run by the tea party. No faa no fda.
Limited government not no government
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:33pm.
Nice try but it was a conservative President who pulled this off with the help of the private sector. Miners have been rescued here in the past by private contractors.
tired of liberal lies
renter B
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:39pm.
The fact that you confuse Tea Party politics with Anarchism illustrates an astounding level abject ignorance. I sure hope you're not in sales 'cause nobody's buying that garbage.
If you are going to lie, Bathtub Boy Bretner---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:39pm.
you should at least try and make the attempt entertaining, as opposed to lame.
You might want to consider that the more over the top your statement, the less credibility you derive from it.
MD
Pity the troll guys*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:47pm.
He has recently admitted that he is a paid plant. Dont confuse him with facts when all he can do is repeat what is on his cue cards. Wouldn't want him to go back to SEIU when he is so easy to trounce.
C2, I wonder why this paid plant's plug has not been pulled?
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:54pm.
Last I checked, that was a violation of the terms of service at NB. -DaveVote for the American in November
true dat Dave*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:01pm.
Dont fret, as soon as the archives and track features come back up the first thing Im doing is notifying the admins. Trolls are bad enough but this one...
To quote a famous NBer:
We need a better class of troll.
Not to steal the thread, but
Submitted by Ruths husband Ben on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 10:15am.
Not to steal the thread, but this is an example of why I dislike the new look here. I got interested in the earlier statement (that this troll is a paid troll) and decided to investigate. No tracking. Additionally, the layout is busy and confusing. Finally, I don't like the way it jumps around when I open a thread. Couldn't find the "why I hate the new layout" thread to piss and moan, so I put it here...
Back on topic, if and when you find the admission that he/she/it is a paid nuisance, could you pm me with the thread? Just curious.
Ruth's Hub
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 5:54pm.
No tracking.
Wasn't me.
Additionally, the layout is busy and confusing
Was me.
Finally, I don't like the way it jumps around when I open a thread.
Wasn't me.
Couldn't find the "why I hate the new layout" thread to piss and moan, so I put it here...
I created a forum, so you can vent directly to the man responsible for the new layout. Me. :p
- yhS
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Either you're clueless or a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:25am.
Either you're clueless or a liar (or both) since you clearly didn't come close to articulating the political philosopy of the Tea Party.
Chile President says thank you
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:32pm.
Thanked a number of governments tonight who helped including the leaders of Isreal, Britian and US as well as Chavez's Venezuela and South and Central American leaders. Watch the media try to find a way to criticize him now that the miners are safe. He is a conservative you know.
tired of liberal lies
Chile President says thank you
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:31pm.
duplicate post.
tired of liberal lies
Prissy, Had Obama been pres. of Chile, the miners would be dead
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:35pm.
...because he would have sent a bunch of government lawyers to the site with a briefcase full of indictments for everybody within a twenty mile radius of the place.
In between rounds of golf.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
R D, your humor
Submitted by gfrrman on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:23pm.
is everlasting. Thanks for the laugh as I just got home from work. ;-)
"Socialists eventually run out of other peoples' money"...Margaret Thatcher
U NO DAT, Dave!!! And they'd
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:10am.
U NO DAT, Dave!!! And they'd STILL be shuffling papers and flapping their gums!! I did hear a couple radio clips of Boy Blunder today.......hemming and hawing his way around some kind of flaccid, tepid statements.......I'm sure he's trying to figure out some way to 'make hay' out of this situation, since it has gone on quite successfully WITHOUT his input.......and that must kill him!!! If he get's out on TV with the teleprompter, in a prepared statement about the Chile situation, you can bet the house that he'll be interjecting himself into it somewhere................
Actually, the miners would
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:42pm.
Actually, the miners would have died if obama had been president the previous 8 years. The company that provided the solution is based in PA. Two white men came up with the design. I believe they were rewarded for that design with bonus checks or some other monetary compensation. One of the following scenarios would have prevented this solution under obama:
___________
Make sure no one tells obama what comes after "trillion"
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
TnT wins Post o' the Day!
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:45pm.
And you are soooooooooooo right. -DaveVote for the American in November
You can bet your sweet
Submitted by Van Halen on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 9:47pm.
You can bet your sweet aspercream that when it dawns on Liberals that Obama has destroyed the party November 3, it'll be every man for himself on the Left. It's pretty much there right now.
maybe bse*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:07pm.
But it will be fun to watch the Zombie Cannibals going at each other. And wait until Jan when Hillary announces she will run against him. ;-)
cajun I'm wondering if the
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:12pm.
cajun I'm wondering if the msm will start cannablizing or if they'll just implode on November 3rd if my prayers are answered!! I thrilled the miners were rescued, but it cut off the Delaware candidates debate off on CNN. O'Donnell was holding her own.
Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:28pm.
The MSM will follow the lib plan from their leader. They will have to blame someone so it will be each other. Ratings will continue to tank, more get fired, rats will continue to leave the WH, Fibbs will continue to say things the MSM cannot defend. When Hillary comes out the closet, watch who will start supporting her. Then the fun will start. Be patient. Then enjoy the fireworks.And Dumka Says:
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:07pm.
make your buck, save it, screw the government, move on." Right?
RICHARD TRUMKA: Yeah
Isn't that his union view of consumers and their money?
Oh. My. God. I knew that
Submitted by fitzfong on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:48pm.
Oh. My. God. I knew that Chrissy had long ago descended from parody into farce, but having Richard Trumka, that FAT TUB OF GOON lecturing the private sector on how to handle a crisis like this is simply too rich for words. If Trumka's mob had been in charge of the rescue, you could cue The Buoys with "Timothy". The poor souls would have died a slow and painful death while the lazy union thugs would have spent most of the day taking coffee breaks and the rest of the day asking each other when they were taking their respective coffee breaks.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
classic redirection
Submitted by m1xram on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:10pm.
This is not stupidity on their part. What this is, is yet another lying attack against people of high moral character. Matthews tries to redirect what people think they know about Tea Party members to his false narrative about selfish individuals.
We know that Matthews is a Saul Alinsky fan, and therefore "the ends justify the means," so this would be natural malicious behavior from an habitual liar.
The opposite of Left is Freedom.
Matthews..
Submitted by JC on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:23pm.
..The good news is, it has been said, that he has no hemorrhoids. That makes him a perfect asshole.
OMG! O'Donnell wore Coons like a snowshoe!
Submitted by im41 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:25pm.
This can't wait until the blog catches up
Notice the look on his face as he realizes that O'Donnell has just out maneuvered him
lol
Submitted by Mestilf on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:35pm.
I'd be surprised if O'Donnell could put on a snowshoe. In that same debate she failed to produce one Supreme Court ruling she disagreed with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sSWLuPJac0
And also claimed that we needed to finish the job against the Soviets in Afghanistan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcRxOJhW8nQ
Hitting Coon's on an article written years ago isn't going to endear her to anyone. I agree that most of the Bill Maher clips say nothing about her as a candidate but that stuff does.
obama has so lowered the
Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:45pm.
obama has so lowered the bar for competency that no one can say anything about whether a candidate is qualified for elected office.
MidAmerica---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:59pm.
excellent reply to the progressive Mestilf.
MD
lkjlkj
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 10:56am.
So that's your answer? You guys literally threw a senate seat in the garbage can pushing her in the Primary. Castle is still winning when polled and yet now O'Donnell is down what, 15 points still? She's an idiot and the only sliver lining is that the seat wont be disgraced further by someone as intellectually challenged as she is. Make all the excuses you want, you can even blame Obama, but you guys had the chance to send a well known, and well respected republican to Washington who would probably have a good shot at the presidency in 2016.
Either way, no skin off my back. I'm not a Coons fan but hey, I do love that cathartic feeling watching tea partiers talk their way out of a job.
Sharron Angle, you're next :)
You Guys?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:01am.
I have a little cluebat action for you, Mestilf.
I'm not aware of one NB member who actually lives and VOTES in Delaware.
Whatchoooo talkin' about "you guys"?
We need a better class of troll, here.
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Boo hoo
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:10am.
"you guys" as in O'Donnell supporters. Which means anyone who supports or defends Christine O'Donnell, either online or in the state of Delaware.
Proving you're dumber than you look
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:13am.
Thank you.
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How so?
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:25am.
Care to elaborate? I know I'm an evil progressive and I deserve to be tarred and feathered out of town but would you care to make an actual point instead of just throwing around insults like a 4th grader?
Fact is, the Delaware Tea partiers screwed up, and watching conservatives around the country line up to defend her is pretty hilarious. If I were in your position I'd be trying to push Castle into a write in campaign and try to get the word out. You'd have a GREAT shot of winning that. Instead you guys are wasting time and money supporting someone who's going to lose. Badly.
How do you feel about Blue
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:35am.
How do you feel about Blue Dog Democrats?
You see, some of us stand on principle. We'd rather have someone representing us who supports a large number of our views than someone who calls us names and votes with the opposition. If the result is the latter, we'd rather have that person burning opposition campaign dollars than our own.
If she doesn't win the election, she doesn't win. But at least the Conservatives in Delaware won't be regretting their vote like so many Obama supporters of '08. And, in six years, Coons will have his own Senate record to defend and Conservatives will have another shot.
But the one crosstab continually ignored in local polling results is the enthusiasm gap. Most of the local polls are still projecting "likely voters" in the same percentage as the '08 General Election which Gallup has shown to be vastly out-of-touch. You can count COD out all you want, but there will be some surprises in less than 3 weeks, and she could be one of them.
Ignore the troll BK
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:40am.
He's a DKos Plant.
LEFTISM. Isn't that a clever screen name....anagram for leftism?
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Yeah, J-
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:56am.
You're right. I know what he is but I'm home today, watching it rain gangbusters outside, and -unfortunately- in an argumentitive mood.
Kinda started last night when one of AllahPundit's bodyguards called me a [paraphrasing] glaringly stupid troll after I criticized Ap on HotAir. I've never been accused of being a troll before- that was pretty interesting. I've been a member there almost as long as I have here. Sad how moderate they've become since Michelle sold the joint. Anyway, I'm not at all adverse to a fight today...
I do like the anagram idea though. Maybe he should have signed up as chekidad.
I agree
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:57am.
You're right for wanting people who are principled and god knows for us progressives it's a huge pain in the ass to get progressives motivated to primary a blue dog out, but I also pick my battles. For example, Manchin in West Virginia, is about as Blue dog-tastic as it gets, but it's not like we're going to get a guy like Al Franken elected there so I gotta throw my weight behind Manchin. And there are certain people who I simply wont support, Ben Nelson, Evan Beyh (is that how it's spelled?), Joe Lieberman, would have me voting for a tea partier in a heart beat.
I just think that when you got a sure think like Castle, who, actually is a very principled moderate who votes his consciousness you shouldn't take a massive risk with someone who isn't going to win. Is there an enthusiasm gap? Yeah, but I doubt it's going to make up for 15 point gap.
15 point gap
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:04pm.
Then again...
Among voters Gallup estimates to be most likely to vote at this point under either a higher- or lower-turnout scenario, Republicans maintain substantial double-digit advantages. In Gallup's higher-turnout scenario, Republicans lead 53% to 41%. In Gallup's lower-turnout scenario, Republicans lead 56% to 39%.
Hey
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:20pm.
If that's accurate then who knows, maybe Coons will get his ass kicked come Novermber. If he wins though, I'll be posting up and down these forums just how right I was ;)
As for the poll itself, those are national numbers, Delawares Senate race has been put in the spotlight though and has been all over the national stage so my guess is turnout will be big in Delaware.
How so, Mestilf?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:37am.
Here's how so, in a nutshell.
You're a plant. Not a very clever one.
Your screen name alone allows me to smack you silly without actually having to address your incessant whining and DKos talking points.
LEFTISM. Your pathetic little ruse of an anagram for your screen name.
Run along now....go back to HuffPo and declare victory.
You've been dismissed.
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lol
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:47am.
I don't read dkos. To many Obama lovers there. And wow, I never noticed my screen name was an anagram for Leftism. That's pretty awesome actually. My SN actually comes from an old video game I used to play. http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Mestilf
And I'm the one whining? You're the one who just got butthurt for me using the phrase, "you guys". Insult me all you want, I really don't care.
Nice backpedal LEFTISM
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:06pm.
I merely walloped you over the head with a cluebat for incorrectly using "you guys" and you get all compulsively confessional.
And wow, how you quickly devolve into the vulgar. Very typical of your liberal ilk.
We need a better class of troll, here.
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Ummm
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:16pm.
I didn't back pedal on anything dude. I defined what I meant by "you guys" and I provided the history of my screen name. Personally, I was thinking about ditching this SN but now that I know it's an anagram for "Leftism" I feel obligated to stick with it now.
And what exactly was vulgar about my reply? Using the word "butthurt"? Jeez, I thought liberals were the whiny PC ones. Go ahead and report me to site admins then, if I've been overly vulgar then they can ban me.
Oops. That remark could be
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:25pm.
Oops. That remark could be costly. Caution is strongly advised.
Ignorant is no way to go through life, son.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:31pm.
If you were semi-literate, you'd know the "e" on the end of my SN is indicative of the feminine.
Keep thrashing, you've been hoist so high on your own petard that you're going to make a spectacular splat by the time you're through.
<edit> Sorry BK....the threading of these posts is all out of whack today....my reply is not to you, obviously.
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Point of order, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:31pm.
How is someone a lefty website "plant" if he readily identifies himself as a "progressive"? I thought it required some level of ideological deception. No?
Jer
Back at you Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:36pm.
Unlike you....this LEFTIST comes to the boards with nothing other than Talking Points, and a SN that's laughably transparent.
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Talking Points?
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:52pm.
Yeah, my support for Mike Castle makes me such a leftist shill. And hey, you really shouldn't mock someones screen name when you have one of the easiest to mock.
I love this!
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:02pm.
The nOOb embarasses himself again.
This is too easy, truly.
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A suggestion to Mes and his kind
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:08pm.
On the night of November 2nd, I would suggest you get a collection of your favorite condiments handy by, and not eat breakfast or lunch.
You're gonna need both the appetite and the spices to help deal with the ample portions of crow the American electorate is going to serve you.
NVCon
Oh
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:21pm.
Republicans are going to take the House. I actually have money bet on that. I doubt they'll take the senate, and if Angle, O'Donnell, and Fiorina all lose this cycle you can bet I'll be all over these forums rubbing it in. Oh and if Miller and Paul lose? Oh mannnnn. I doubt that will happen though.
Did he REALLY go there?
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:40pm.
Ah, yes he did.
A couple of weeks back much hay was made about BHO actually backing someone that WON a primary, instead of his record of being the knell of doom to whomever he backed.
I fully expect you and your liberal ilk to be filling the airwaves and the internet with 'told you so' fertilizer for every seat we did not take from you. The recent past has shown your side of the aisle to be completely ungraceful if you lose; it would be sheer folly to expect any better manners when you win.
NVCon
Pretty much,
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:47pm.
There's no manners in politics NVCon. Don't pretend Conservatives don't act the exact same way every election cycle.
Ahh the memories...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:18pm.
1994 yea, yea Republicans didn't win them all.
You Didn't Build That.
Yeah, but ask DICK Blumenthal
Submitted by fitzfong on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:49pm.
Yeah, but ask DICK Blumenthal how to create a job and watch the "genius" flow.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Bill Mahr show Was ten years ago.
Submitted by Avitar on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 3:13am.
How dim are the Coons supporters? First guilt by High School associations and now ten year old talk shows.
I thought Dick Blumenthal's pitiful performance going viral worldwide was humiliating enough to Connecticut. Now he is the referance standard for progressive idiots!
(After a while you forget that he dresses like a Bond movie villain. )
Not really a big Coons supporter
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:06am.
I agree that the silly Bill Maher clips of her talking about dabbling in witch craft aren't relevant to the election, but other past comments of hers are. Mice genetically engineered with human brains? Condoms don't work? Her constant lieing about her education? Those are pretty relevant. They tell you how she thinks. Which is apparently not very well.
Though, I will retract what I said about the Afghan/Soviet comments, I went back and listened to it again and it was pretty clear she was just talking about finishing the job in general. Though, I'd still say we need to gtfo Afghanistan and Iraq and stop the ridiculous war spending that's driving us into more and more dept.
Personally I thought Mike Castle deserved that seat. As for Blumenthal, I don't really know anything about the guy except he's going against McMahon or whatever her name is. I don't know, the only way I'm going to start caring about CT politics is when it's 2012 and hopefully Lieberman is getting his ass handed to him.
Shovel ready? Mestilf
Submitted by gfrrman on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 4:20am.
We already knew that the POS in the WH has never even seen much less knows what a shovel is. Oh and want to know where most shovels are made in this world?...wait for it....freakin China who we are totally indebted to even more so because of the F'kin debt by Teleprompter BOY! O'Donnell is a newbie that is kickin' a@@ and community organizer BOY is in the WH. without a freakin clue except that it's "everybody else's fault that he has spent his OWN children into a debt that they will pay till they die...tell that to your kids TELEPROMPTER BOY...You should be so proud. Who's the dumbass???? Ever see the picture of M'chelle O @ the WH with a shovel in hand and the WH garden? She looked at it like it had batteries. Again, WHO is the freakin dumbass? God help us all and the libs can go straight to hell!!!! Quit destroying my country!!! Vote Nov. 2!!
"Socialists eventually run out of other peoples' money"...Margaret Thatcher
I really dont know very many
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 6:07am.
I really dont know very many SCOTUS descisions without looking them up. And why would she be required to know them as she is only resposible for the judges she approves, not the ones on the court already. So just review thejudge in question not theperformance of sitting SCOTUS members. In fact she brought up a judge who ruled on DADT and that would be relevant if the judge who made it came up for SCOTUS.
If you listened closely the one about the Soviets did not say we go finish the Soviets as she was talking about Afghanistan and finishing up the Taliban and getting a government there. The vacuum the Soviets left caused the Taliban, so we would be cleaning up their mess.
Because she wants to be a Senator
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:19am.
Are you running for Senate? I don't expect everyone to keep a personal list of SCOTUS rulings they disagree with, just people running for a major office like the Senate. Hell if she was running for the House I wouldn't even care. Considering she's going to be writing laws and regulations for peoples lives, I'd like to know which SCOTUS rulings she disagrees with. It tells us how she'll legislate while in office. For example if she was against Citizens United (which I know she's not) it would be an indicator that she wants to reform Campaign financing. It just gives us an idea where she stands on issues. You can't run a campaign on "Tax cuts and smaller government". You need to actually throw some ideas out there for people to think about.
And you're right about the Afghan comments, I went back and listened again and it's pretty clear that's what she was trying to say. I still disagree with her, I think the Afghan war is a drain on our economy and military but what she said was normal.
And Coons?
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:59am.
O'Donnell did not answer the SCOTUS question well at all but you can't ignore the fact that the only one Coons (THE LAWYER) mentioned was one that had already been discussed.
Eh
Submitted by Mestilf on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:09pm.
My guess is he went in with CU on his mind, I think he answered pretty well, I would have liked to see him mention another one but his follow up explanation as to why he's against CU was well thought out and to the point. I just would have liked to see O'Donnell throw out at least a name. Hell if she'd just said Roe V Wade at lease it would have seemed she's put thought into it. Instead Blitzer had to spoon feed it to her.
As I said earlier, I'm not a big Coons supporter, I actually wanted Mike Castle to win. I thought he was the most qualified and most independent.
Mestilf---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 5:26pm.
You think Mike Castle was the most qualified and independent candidate.
Key word: was.
Whether or not Christine O'Donnell gets elected, Mike Castle represents perfectly the reasons for the overall dissatisfaction with politicos who believe the seat they occupied was theirs in perpetuity, RINO or otherwise.
MD
The miners would be dead had
Submitted by rbosque on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:32am.
The miners would be dead had it not been for American know-how and experienced drillers. Piss on Matthews.
Matthews just won't give
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:22am.
Matthews just won't give credit where credit is actually due. The only deaths have been Matthews' credibility, integrity, ethics and common sense. And I hope his career is on life-support with Comcast about ready to pull the plug.
Bitter clingers helped make rescue possible
Submitted by ekslib on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 1:48am.
Obama underestimated the people of SW Pennsylvania when he said they bitterly cling to guns and religion.
The people of SW PA contacted the Chilean government to tell them they could use their equipment to save the trapped miners more quickly.
"rescuers brought 33 Chilean miners one by one in a metal capsule through a 2,000-foot hole bored by a drill made by Center Rock Inc. of Berlin, Pa.,"Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2010/10/13/2270219/pa-drill-firm-basking-in-glow.html#ixzz12JERkK83
Mathews Theatens Chilean Miners! World Asks Why?
Submitted by Avitar on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 2:52am.
We all know that Chile has a president that is who is as close to the Tea party in philosoph as any South American leader has ever been but why does Chris Mathews feels it is necessary to threaten the miers over it?. The standard bad mouthing about lowering expectations to make himself look good that they were doing on the other liberal channels would have been enough. There were many temarks made about the big Chilean flag being there so people could not see any mistakes, why threaten the miners?
Oh NO he didn't!
Submitted by Anniee451 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 2:54am.
Holy crap how low can they SINK?!?! These ceaseless attacks on the Tea Party IN PARTICULAR (not even on conservatives only) is the dumbest phenomenon I've ever seen. They must be terrified of us.
Yes, Chris, because airlines make a lot of money by CRASHING those planes with you on them, don't they? It's just good business. What a buffoon. No one wants clean water except the government? Businessmen WANT to give you ptomaine because it will make them money? How does this even work? Has he ever even heard of tort law?
His head is perfectly spherical. He weareth a runcible hat.
Chilean miners sound like capitalists to me
Submitted by OxyCon on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 3:34am.
They hired a lawyer and a PR firm to help them sell their story.
Take It From Where It
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 6:06am.
Take It From Where It Comes.......... and it comes , hot & stinky , right out of the horses ass.
What we've got here is one of today's sleeziest ( not to mention ,hot for Obama ) political pundits , Matthews..........on the sleeziest network ( bar none ) , MSNBC..............complaining to the sleeziest piece of sh#t on earth ( and beyond ) , Trumka.........about one of the greatest phenomenon to happen in American politics during the past 100 years ( quite possibly ever ) , ordinary American citizens of the Teaparty movement.
MSNBC can try to take a page from the Obama play book......with their feeble minded attempt to gussy up their true progressive / socialist agennda with a not so slick ad campaign / slight of hand , by now calling it " Lean Forward " , but like War on Terror ( fight against radical islam ) , to overseas contingency plan ( pure bullshit )........they're still just a bunch of smelly , rotten ( to the core ), noisy pigs.........lipstick optional.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Matthews
Submitted by tampamom25 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 7:25am.
Tea parties aren't about no government, they're about limited government. Matthews is the part of a horse that goes over the fence last and has such and inflated view of himself that he thinks whatever he says is true just because it comes out of his mouth. He doesn't speak in ignorance, he speaks very deliberately, with the intent to smear and make conservatives look dangerous, and the hope that people will pick up his stupid sound bites and repeat them so his poison spreads.
I will tune in to MSNBC...
Submitted by ChrisNH on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:12am.
...for the first and only time on November 2 and 3. Then, we will see wreckage all across their prime-time lineup. Long faces, no 'thrills up the leg,' anger, and seething rage. I want to see these Lib Media Hacks on these two nights...it will be Must-See TV! I'll probably also enjoy watching Matt Lauer and The Lib Show (aka The Today Show). That ought to be fun.
Aren't you worried about
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:19am.
Aren't you worried about getting dizzy from all the spin that will be presented that day and the day after?
Chris Matthews = clueless,
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 8:18am.
Chris Matthews = clueless, classless liberal shill-hack
I hope that once Comcast takes over, Matthews will be released ASAP.
I am beginning to think the tingle he felt up and down his leg and later felt all over might be strokes.
Or it could be that he
Submitted by RealVet on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:26pm.
Or it could be that he uncontrollably pisses in fear when hearing the name "Palin".
Maybe when Matthews is done
Submitted by Van Halen on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:11am.
Maybe when Matthews is done slamming good people, he can explain why Teleprompter Jesus and Slow Joe are suddenly backpeddling. No such thing as a 'shovel ready' project? That's not what we were told for two years! Can Matthews explain this morning's headlines in Drudge:
Applications for jobless benefits rise to 462,000...'Higher-than-expected'...
September home foreclosures top 100,000 for first time...
Inflation, Trade Deficit Surge Higher...
Running punch line..........
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:28am.
How many ways would Oblunder have killed the miners?
I have another one, he would have waited over a month to even respond to the issue (see BP oil spill)....
Another one, since the assistance was NOT SHOVEL READY, he would have held multiple press conferences saying it WAS without having AN FN CLUE ON WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NY Times has an article this Sunday with the deets.
To the Libtard trolls hammering O'Donnell because she couldn't name a RECENT decision that the SCOTUS got wrong, I AGREE, since WE are winning 5-4, the decisions have been good and lastly ass-hats, I think she would know what a shovel ready job uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh was.
His words are "shovel ready"...
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:35am.
As in bullshippppppppppp.
BSE, you gotta love the "Higher than expected".
Can someone name one GUESSTIMATE that this lying, gutless, clueless fraud has come close on????
Imagine if Bush didn't know what a shovel ready job was, my bad he couldn't say nuclear.........
Over and over and over this lying, gutless and clueless fraud proves that he was a "token" and nothing but.
When Allen West runs for President, this better not hurt him.
Holman Jenkins has a great
Submitted by Free Thinker on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 9:54am.
Holman Jenkins has a great editorial in the WSJ today pretty much blowing this notion out of the water. Title Capitalism Saved the Miners. I think you will all enjoy the read:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703673604575550322091167574.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
The message coming out of
Submitted by vstol on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 11:25am.
The message coming out of Chris Matthews and the people on his program, and lot (sic) of them are intelligent people, is that those in the tea party movement have a philosophy of "every man for himself, basically."
I'm unable to fathom how Matthews could truly believe ANYONE in the tea party movement is proposing, "No more taxes, no more government, no more everything."
The only conclusion I can make is that Chris Matthews is knowingly, intentionally and purposely distorting, misrepresenting and lying about, "The message coming out of the Tea Party people..." for no other reason than to disparage, denigrate and demonize an entire group of Americans for political purposes.
SHAME ON YOU, CHRIS. TELL THE TRUTH!
What a dolt. The whole idea
Submitted by RealVet on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:25pm.
What a dolt. The whole idea behind the Tea Party movement is an unselfish committment to rescue America and it's people from Socialism.
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