NBC's Norah O'Donnell, guest hosting for Chris Matthews over the weekend, repeatedly questioned her "Chris Matthews Show" panelists why there was "So much hate," and "venom," directed at Barack Obama at town hall events.
Time's Joe Klein responded it was all Rush Limbaugh's fault as he depicted opponents of Obama as racists that are "being egged on by the demagogues in, in the Republican Party, by Boss Rush Limbaugh. And I call him the boss because there isn't a single Republican elected official who's willing to call him out on his lies." [audio available here]
The following exchange was aired on the September 13 edition of the syndicated "Chris Matthews Show":
NORAH O'DONNELL: The summer was rife with craziness in those town halls. But September? Has sort have been just as nutty. There was the uproar over the President's speech to school children with opponents warning kids needed to be shielded from the President. Then there was the congressman who called the President a liar during his speech. What is causing the anti-Obama outrage? Is there something different from what other presidents have faced? Well we put it to the Matthews Meter, 12 of the regulars. Is the anti-Obama venom unavoidable?...Joe, you say the craziness and anti-Obama hating was unavoidable.
JOE KLEIN, TIME: Well I was, I was at some town meetings this summer, most recently in Arkansas. And this is an awful lot about race. You just can't avoid it. I mean he was born black. But it isn't only about the fact that he's black, or the fact that his middle name is
Hussein. It's a, about the fact in middle-America among white people, especially working class white people they're seeing all of this stuff. They're seeing Latinos in Arkansas, quite a few of them, move into the neighborhoods. They're seeing South Asians, you know running a lot of businesses. They're seeing intermarriage. They're seeing all these things that they find threatening. And they believe that the America, that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared.
O'DONNELL: Why is this being voiced now in this health care debate?
KLEIN: Because they're being egged on by the demagogues in, in the Republican Party, by Boss Rush Limbaugh. And I call him the boss because there isn't a single Republican elected official who's willing to call him out on his lies.
The above was the most incendiary item of the show but as the following transcript demonstrates O'Donnell and her fellow panelists persistently portrayed Obama's opponents as hate-filled, "nutty," "crazies."
O'DONNELL IN OPENING TEASER: And finally, why so much hate? That congressman who yelled liar. The fears that the President wanted to indoctrinate school kids. Was all this venom against Barack Obama unavoidable?
...
O'DONNELL: Now polls taken since then showed that the President did find some success in reasserting command, at least for a while. And of course there was that outburst from Congressman Joe Wilson, the guy who yelled, "You lie!" While most other Republicans were more polite, but still some said forget about it. Not polite? Listen to what Rush Limbaugh said.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: That speech last night was a fraud. It was dishonest. It demeaned the office of the presidency. Having attacked and lied throughout this thing, he then claims he wants to work with Republicans, with whom he has not met since April.
...
O'DONNELL: People being scared is being fueled by this fear-mongering, in some ways. Did Joe Wilson's outburst, from the floor there, did that help or hurt the White House, Helene?
HELENE COOPER, NEW YORK TIMES: I think the White House was thrilled with Joe Wilson's outburst, to tell you the truth. And did you see Nancy Pelosi?
O'DONNELL: What do you think Rahm was doing when he picked up the phone?
COOPER: Oh yeah, hi thanks for your apology! You know that's one of those cases where they can sort of stand back and let the Republicans hurt themselves. [To Klein] You disagree.
KLEIN: My, my first reaction was: And the voice of the cuckoo was heard in the land. But, but over the succeeding days it has become a real debate about whether or not you're going to insert in the bill a provision that people are gonna have to prove their citizenship. Now that is a ridiculous provision. Because there are all these elderly people who show up at hospitals all the time. They're gonna have to locate their birth certificates, that you know were lost 40 years ago. That's crazy!....News flash, we are paying for the health care of illegal immigrants right now.
O'DONNELL: Because if they go into a hospital they get covered.
KLEIN: Right. If someone gets their, you know their hand chopped off, in one of these meat packing plants and they go to the hospital we're going to treat them. We do it now.
...
O'DONNELL: As for a bottom line, we asked the Matthews Meter, twelve of the regulars, has the President got command back in this debate? And the answer? It's unanimous. 12-zip. Howard and Joe, you're in that group. Howard? Got it back?
HOWARD FINEMAN, NEWSWEEK: Yeah I thought it was the President's speech. I thought it was one of his best combinations of practicality and focus with a little bit of philosophy there at the end about the role of government, which I thought was useful and I thought it was one of the best simple explanations that he gave, where he said, "Look gang we've got to do this for the good of everybody."
O'DONNELL: And Ceci is he gonna be able to keep it, through this fall? This new control, this new command? This mojo?
CECI CONNOLLY, WASHINGTON POST: Well we shift back into the messy business of legislating and we're already hearing about additional delays up there on Capitol Hill. So it's not going to be easy. But I think one of the things that was most powerful about that speech the President gave was he spoke to Main Street in a way that this conversation had gotten away from.
O'DONNELL Joe?
KLEIN: Yeah I think that one of the things the White House may have learned in August is that it's better to have him out there, even if he's being accused of overexposure than, than to not have him out here, there so you can watch all the crazies screaming about him. And so you even had the big speech this week about the anniversary of the financial meltdown. And he will find some way to be in your face on this issue, until the thing gets passed.
O'DONNELL: Helene are they feeling that way in the White House? That he's got his mojo back? That they're on campaign mode? They're gonna-
HELENE COOPER, NEW YORK TIMES: They definitely are but he, he always does well when he, when he steps up to the plate and he can deliver a very good speech. And he was definitely getting a lot of complaints about being too distant and too removed and he's getting that in a lot of areas too.
FINEMAN: They looked at what had gone wrong in the summer and they and they dealt with it. Which shows that they can learn from what's going on here.
...
O'DONNELL: When we come back, that Congressman who yelled, liar! We'll get into it....Alright so why all the hatred? Not just from one congressman but from many quarters? Was it unavoidable for this groundbreaking president or did he make some mistakes to give permission slips to the haters?
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O'DONNELL: The summer was rife with craziness in those town halls. But September? Has sort have been just as nutty. There was the uproar over the President's speech to school children with opponents warning kids needed to be shielded from the President. Then there was the congressman who called the President a liar during his speech. What is causing the anti-Obama outrage? Is there something different from what other presidents have faced? Well we put it to the Matthews Meter, 12 of the regulars. Is the anti-Obama venom unavoidable? Or is it partly a result of his own mistakes? Well six say it was unavoidable but six say he partly brought it on himself. Howard and Joe, you're in the meter and you're split. Howard, you say the President has made some mistakes. What's he done wrong?
FINEMAN: Well I think it relates to what Helene was saying in the last segment which is that he hasn't always spoken to Main Street. And I think in his situation, being who he is, as the historical figure that he is, the change agent that he is, he needed to be, and needs to be ever aware, maybe unfairly so, but ever aware of reassuring people on the right side of the street on Main Street.
O'DONNELL: Joe, you say the craziness and anti-Obama hating was unavoidable.
JOE KLEIN, TIME: Well I was, I was at some town meetings this summer, most recently in Arkansas. And this is an awful lot about race. You just can't avoid it. I mean he was born black. But it isn't only about the fact that he's black, or the fact that his middle name is Hussein. It's a, about the fact in middle-America among white people, especially working class white people they're seeing all of this stuff. They're seeing Latinos in Arkansas, quite a few of them, move into the neighborhoods. They're seeing South Asians, you know running a lot of businesses. They're seeing intermarriage. They're seeing all these things that they find threatening. And they believe that the America, that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared.
O'DONNELL: Why is this being voiced now in this health care debate?
KLEIN: Because they're being egged on by the demagogues in, in the Republican Party, by Boss Rush Limbaugh. And I call him the boss because there isn't a single Republican elected official who's willing to call him out on his lies.
O'DONNELL: Helene there were people that hated President Bush, there were people who hated President Clinton. There are now people that hate President Obama. Why is it about race?
HELENE COOPER, NEW YORK TIMES: I think it's about race for, for, for two reasons. One, on one side, you have a lot of whites, particularly in the South who are just really angry at the idea that there is a black president. That's something that they just don't like. We've had several stories in the Times recently about sort, sort of some of the numbers that President Obama got for instance in South Carolina, in Arkansas. The number of whites who voted for him, the very low number and they're very angry. And then you had the flip-side, you have a lot of blacks who love Obama and who are so emotionally attached to him because he's black. And I think that plays off of each other, so you get, you, you get an electorate that's even more stratified.
FINEMAN: I think this White House, and again maybe unfairly, needs to be constantly sensitive to those fears that, that Joe is talking about. Now it can paralyze his presidency if he does it too much, but I don't think, at every moment they're aware of that, the way they were during the campaign. I think they were very aware of it during the campaign. I think once they got here to Washington, once they started focusing necessarily on the economic crisis and so forth, they got away from it. The other factor is quote, "big government." Obama was dealt a hand where he had to act like a liberal Democrat in the beginning. That reinforced the fears of a lot of those people that Joe is talking about.
CONNOLLY: I'm gonna be a little bit of a contrarian here because I think going back to the beginning of the Republic we've always had a certain cranky element out there who's complained and, and been unhappy with their leadership. It's just that they haven't had the Internet, they haven't had cable television to air those views. I mean-
KLEIN: Usually you had legitimate leaders of a political party who would shout those haters down. That's not what is happening here.
O'DONNELL: Right, I mean here's the question. Is someone pouring gasoline on what is-
COOPER: I think that's, absolutely people are pouring gasoline. But beyond that, remember a few weeks ago when these posts, these polls came out that showed that President Obama's approval ratings were going down at the same time that people believed that we, we were not out of the economic recession but that things were starting to turn around. How do you figure that? Think about where we were back in January when you're looking at, you know where the Dow Jones was and what the economy and now people, economists are starting to talk, to talk about the fact that we may, at some point soon, be coming out of it. It's not looking quite as dark as it was then. And yet you had these approval ratings that are coming in. What's that about?
FINEMAN: Well I agree with Ceci, I agree with Ceci that over time there have been hair-raising things said about presidents. Whether it was Thomas Jefferson or, or Lincoln, or Roosevelt or whatever? Franklin Roosevelt. The difference here is race. There was vitriol then. You pour the race in and you have a more volatile mix.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.





Hussein. It's a, about the fact in middle-America among white people, especially working class white people they're seeing all of this stuff. They're seeing Latinos in Arkansas, quite a few of them, move into the neighborhoods. They're seeing South Asians, you know running a lot of businesses. They're seeing intermarriage. They're seeing all these things that they find threatening. And they believe that the America, that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared.














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No one could possibly be
September 14, 2009 - 18:52 ET by GregENo one could possibly be against Socialism in America. Must be something else. Gotta be. Who could possibly be against utopia? /sarc
Klein: They're gonna have to locate their birth certificates, that you know were lost 40 years ago. That's crazy!
uhh...
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September 15, 2009 - 06:26 ET by motherbeltdelete
It's too bad a class-action
September 14, 2009 - 22:30 ET by motherbeltIt's too bad a class-action lawsuit can't be brought against Klein.
They're seeing Latinos in Arkansas, quite a few of them, move into the
neighborhoods. They're seeing South Asians, you know running a lot of
businesses. They're seeing intermarriage. They're seeing all these
things that they find threatening. And they believe that the America,
that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared.
[And the unspoken (as MoDo says) on the end: and they are mad as hell about it!]
He has maliciously slandered an entire segment of the population: white middle- and working-class people.
How
on earth do these creeps get away with putting thoughts and attitudes
into other people's minds, tarring them as racists and bigots, with no
consequences?
So, what they are saying
September 14, 2009 - 18:52 ET by legacyrepublicanSo, what they are saying is that they are mind readers.
They think they can get into our mind and then tell us what we are thinking just by channeling the spirits of liberal truth instead of coming to us and asking us.
Frankly, because they don't ask us, they tell us more about what we are really saying which is that they don't listen, that hey are arrogant fools who don't know how we live, that what we see, how we feel, or what we feel about our neighbors is based not, on race, but on living day by day.
They hate us and we see that!
April 15th, we try and tell
September 14, 2009 - 19:04 ET by GregEApril 15th, we try and tell our government to stop the madness, and the media in bed with the Leftist politicians laugh and ridicule. August town halls, we again try and tell our government to stop the madness, and the media in bed with the Leftist politicians laugh and ridicule. September 12, we go to DC to try and tell our government to stop the madness, and the media in bed with the Leftist politicians laugh and ridicule.
We want our elected officials to do one thing......uphold and defend the Constitution, as they SWORE and OATH to do. There's nothing laughable about that. There's nothing there to ridicule. Yet that's the response.
My question.......How long does a people, who RIGHTFULLY EXPECT the following of our Constitution, let the ridicule and lack of public servant attention persist, before that people take up additional measures?
Chrissy is like one of
September 14, 2009 - 18:55 ET by 10ksnookerChrissy is like one of those blow up dolls you buy at the circus. Has about the same level of intellect.
Isn't it odd how all these liberals pretend to know what everybody else is thinking?
Well they are in touch with
September 14, 2009 - 19:30 ET by Dan DiegoWell they are in touch with the "common" folk. The people that park their cars, wash, walk and feed their pets, open doors for them, wash the windows, cook and serve their meals, tend their estates...
It is only "hate" and
September 14, 2009 - 18:55 ET by gopsteveIt is only "hate" and "venom" when directed at BO, never Bush
I think I found the gasoline leak
September 14, 2009 - 18:55 ET by katainkentah yes its right here - on mainstream television. These people have a lot of guts, I'll give them that.
Protests are only good during Republican admins
September 14, 2009 - 18:56 ET by jondelwicheSheehan is the obvious example. End of story!
O'DONNELL: As for a
September 14, 2009 - 19:00 ET by Jack BauerOh that's hilarious. Why not ask the Matthews Bottom?
Or the Matthews Inner Thigh. The Matthews Butt.
The more these nutjob liberal extremist whiners and whingers splutter their venom over anyone challeging their lesser God Obama, the more I think conservatives are finally on to something.
On a first name basis, are we?
September 14, 2009 - 20:20 ET by GalvanicO'DONNELL: What do you think Rahm was doing when he picked up the phone?
Rahm? Since you're so familiar with him, why don't you just tweet him, Ms. O'Donnell?
Joe Klein
September 14, 2009 - 19:13 ET by ofbbgAs I read it, this little maggot is calling me a rascist, an idiot, a hate-monger, and lord knows what else. We'd better not meet or I'll punch this little Communist sympathizer right in the mush! I'm old, so I can get away with it.
The pot calling the kettle black?
September 14, 2009 - 20:21 ET by GalvanicObama is half-white and half-black. Klein has decided that he is black. Is Klein a racist?
It might make him
September 14, 2009 - 20:33 ET by FastEdan -ist! He can always be half-left.
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
- IST
September 14, 2009 - 22:04 ET by kilrodNo he's an ass-ist, and o-dumb-uh is a half-ist.!!~~!!
(grins) kilrod
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
What really was a great
September 14, 2009 - 19:14 ET by bigtimerWhat really was a great idea from Rush today was the next place to March is to all the network stations, the 1.2 million and growing, surround those stations, since they choose to ignore or deride the Marchers...Capitol Hill was notified, what better place to go to next?
Rush is Right.
It would be impossible for the enemy within to ignore, whether they like it or not!
...and the number of protesters will grow...no doubt about it.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
→ Race?
September 14, 2009 - 19:22 ET by Cool ArrowNo, you pour this much government excess into the mix and you're going to get a pushback.
This, I guess was the plan all along. "Hey guys, if we can get the black guy elected, we can steal America blind. We'll holler racism every time they complain"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
The little liberal who cried 'racist'.
September 14, 2009 - 19:30 ET by SlyrrI've said afore, and I say again. Liberals are jumping the shark - nuking the fridge - whatever turn of phrase you want to use for 'pushing it too far', insert it here.
Remember the story of the Little Boy who Cried Wolf? He yelled 'wolf' in jest so many times while watching the sheep that eventually the townspeople just ignored him, leaving him to get ripped to shreds when a real wolf turned up.
And liberals, lefties and Demorats are doing the same thing. They've yelled 'racist' so many times - in THIS year alone - that the public is getting sick of it.
When Rush Limbaugh points out the facts about Democrat socialism - it's racist. When Joe Wilson calls Obama out on his lies - it's racist. When hurricanes flatten a city that was stupidly built below sea level - it's racist. That time Sheryl Crow used up a whole roll of toilet paper in one visit to the bathroom - they say that's racist too.
It's not just Republicans and Conservatives who have had it with the Little Liberal who Cried Racist. Normal average Americans are getting tired of it too.
Beware lefties - you could learn a thing or two from old children's tales....
The phrase anti-Obama
September 14, 2009 - 19:31 ET by bretzysdudeThe phrase anti-Obama hating: double negative? Aren't you saying you're hating anti-Obama rhetoric?
Klein, I for one am damn
September 14, 2009 - 19:32 ET by ConservativeRexKlein, I for one am damn tired of your accusations. You say Rush lies, prove it you small bag of wind. Once and for all face him like a man and show him where he has lied. Man up, punk. You've got the goods, show up with them.
Thought the same
September 14, 2009 - 19:46 ET by FastEdwhen will the demolibs PROVE their acusations? It's easy to say and spout falshood, it's a lot harder to prove the opposite. klein is short a few marbles, in the head and below, while the mouth is large and the brain cap is tiny. (wait - theory - play the Dumb Card often enough and people will flock to your Paper - how's that working Joe??)
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Last straw
September 14, 2009 - 19:39 ET by Dan DiegoI call for a boycott of Travelocity until the Roaming Gnome halts his wacky statements.
Last Last Straw
September 14, 2009 - 19:50 ET by FeynmanFanThat Aflac duck is pretty irritating, too.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Hey, hey!
September 14, 2009 - 20:13 ET by FastEdThe ducks' OK - he'll be even better with an orange sauce, pork fried rice, shrimp roll and a side of ribs - so cut 'em a little slack!
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
FastEd
September 14, 2009 - 20:16 ET by FeynmanFanI'm all for your proposal. It'll take care of my issue and your appetite at the same time. ;)
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
In that case
September 14, 2009 - 20:20 ET by FastEdI'll have a local micro-brew and toast the quackers' contributions to insurance and dining experiences!
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
AFLAC is just waiting in
September 14, 2009 - 22:17 ET by FishFace222AFLAC is just waiting in the wings for universal health care to happen.
These REPEATERS in the so-called media
September 14, 2009 - 19:41 ET by FastEdkeep thinking that the Dumb Card will help their careers - all of them have been indoctrinated for so long, and the incestual(sic?) relationships they have amonst themselves, they've become distanced from reality, and there is no return for them.
Those who lurk and won't or can't post here (no courage) think this:
From what side of the political aisle do terms such as 'tea-bagging', 'race bating', 'trailer park trash', etc.,?? From what side of the political blogosphere does the profanity exist?? Who keeps making references of the past, but wants us to believe in the future? And then can you show us, the bad guys, what kind of hope and change will we get from the partisan demolibs?? If you need to make spoils out of bad GOP decisions, be sure to mention that they at least TRIED to be nice - can you say the same of the social progressives? Do a little political historical research and try not to re-write what happened. (I'm thinking cowards don't respond well to facts or reason)
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Fast.......your post
September 14, 2009 - 20:04 ET by celatorFast.......your post reminded me of a conversation I overheard in a restaurant today. There were six people--men and women-- at the next table making the kinds of comments we make and read here on NB.
At one point, one of them stood up and said to his friends, "This nonsense from Washington will stop, beginning NOW!" The others all gave him a cheer. Others in the restaurant heard what the guy said and also started cheering. Great moment.
All of which demonstrates two things to me: 1.the sleeping giant has awakened and, 2. Washington and the national media are absolutely tone deaf to what we are saying.
And, boy, are they going to pay a price.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
cel... Now that is one
September 14, 2009 - 20:07 ET by bigtimercel...
Now that is one place I would have loved to be in as well!
Glad you shared that with us.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
BT It was a great moment,
September 14, 2009 - 20:12 ET by celatorBT It was a great moment, and to me it illustrates a major sea change in our time. At least locally.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Do you mind if I ask what
September 14, 2009 - 20:07 ET by Free StinkerDo you mind if I ask what City/State this was in ?
Anyone willing to say it out loud in a restaurant is pretty amazing by itself. If you tell me it was in Manhatten or L.A, I'll be floored.
FS.. no problem...Lewiston,
September 14, 2009 - 20:10 ET by celatorFS.. no problem...Lewiston, Maine. It was a great moment. A fast food restaurant.. not too toney, which is where I feel comfortable. ;+}
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Wow! In a "Blue State" no
September 14, 2009 - 20:13 ET by Free StinkerWow! In a "Blue State" no less.
As others have said, thank you for sharing!
Yep.. with a nutjob radical
September 14, 2009 - 20:21 ET by celatorYep.. with a nutjob radical leftist governor and a lost-in-the-marijuana smoke legislature, and with Snowe and Collins. Maybe they took out of the water whatever the lefties put in it to make us suppliant to their wishes?
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Really!!!
September 14, 2009 - 20:15 ET by FastEdYour sens are just as bad as mine, and mine are NJ demolibs!
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Yeah FastEd. Lautenberg
September 14, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Free StinkerYeah FastEd.
Lautenberg has got to go. And he can take our other dingbat Senator with him.
AND, if Lance
September 14, 2009 - 20:31 ET by FastEdKeeps voting for the likes of Cap & Trade - he's next!
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I think my senators are
September 14, 2009 - 20:27 ET by celatorI think my senators are worse than your senators. So there! :+}
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
I'll see your senators
September 14, 2009 - 20:30 ET by FastEdand raise you ALL my blue congressmen. You'll need to check - I've got more corruption in a quater of the state, then you have in your region.
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Well, I'll have to think
September 14, 2009 - 20:33 ET by celatorWell, I'll have to think about that. The state taxes we pay here leaves me little betting money!
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
no kidding
September 14, 2009 - 20:11 ET by katainkentI generally refer to things like this as "car 'keying' offenses" in this state.
Kata... not sure I get the
September 14, 2009 - 20:17 ET by celatorKata... not sure I get the meaning. I'm pretty thick sometimes...;=]. 'splain?
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
cel
September 14, 2009 - 20:22 ET by katainkentit's a passive aggressive way of saying I dislike what you have on your car (bumper sticker or something in the car) where one has a key dragged along the car. Its a pain in the butt to have fixed, and sometimes very expensive.
Kata.. Ahhh. Thanks. We
September 14, 2009 - 20:31 ET by celatorKata.. Ahhh. Thanks. We still use horses and buck wagons up here so maybe when we get some cars, that might happen. There is serious talk that we might get trains here, but the environmentalists will probably fight that movement.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Free
September 14, 2009 - 20:29 ET by MrShy"Do you mind if I ask what City/State this was in ?"
Stalker!!! J/K :)
Funny, I was going to say the same thing about NYC/Manhattan. Shoes would be thrown at us, FS. And, of course, we'd be a racists (uh duh...)
Don't blame me
September 14, 2009 - 19:41 ET by Joe CamelI would have voted for Alan Keyes..I worked with Alan Keyes...and would support him any day of the week. I could get 1000 white folks to do the same in a day..nothing to see here.
OT again-
September 14, 2009 - 19:41 ET by BKeyserI'm gonna get banned for continuously going off topic. My apologies in advance.
Sad news from Hollywood this evening.
Yawn. Joe Klown and the
September 14, 2009 - 20:20 ET by fitzfongYawn. Joe Klown and the gang on the Chris Matthews Show know that President Alinsky is losing the debate on health care and the economy and they're too lazy and/or stupid to point out where the protestors are wrong on the facts (or more accurately, they are incapable of pointing out where the protestors are wrong on the facts because the protestors are 100% correct on the facts)...so they go back to the well with the tired, intellectually lazy and dishonest "racism" cliche. Somebody teach these losers the law of diminishing returns.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
So it has come to this: All the "left" has left to defend this..
September 14, 2009 - 20:30 ET by R D Helm...incompetent boob of a communist community agitator, is the "race card."
How unexpected./sarc
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
Can't they even come up with an argument
September 14, 2009 - 20:42 ET by richb313No where in that hate filled diatribe which is supposed to pass for reasoned discussion was there one argument to support thier positions. If they disagree with us fine, I can take it. Tell me where I am mistaken and why. Tell me how this Health Care Bill is really going to benifit me by going into the bill and pointing out where I am wrong. If I am wrong about some detail I can take it, I have been mistaken before and will probably be mistaken again. But the constant drum beat of Racism, Stupid, Ignorant, White Trash, Teabagger, etc is past old. It is past BORING. It is just past.
I swore an oath on July13th 1973 to Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America and follow the Orders of the Officers Appointed Above Me. Well there is no expiration dates on oaths and since I am no longer attached to the Service in anyway there are no longer any Officers Appointed Above Me.
I have tried to follow that oath all my life by supporting those who respect the Constitution. If You all so smart people on the left don't like what is in the Constitution there are ways, left by our founders, to change it if you can get the rest of the country to go along.
They know this and also know that the changes that they want would never be approved in a million years. The People in this country won't let it happen. That is the real reason that the left HATES the rest of the country. They think they know so much that they are so better equipped to understand all those complex and nuanced issues that we rubes in the country couldn't possibly understand. Well let me clue you geniuses on one unescapable truth, all the problems in this country has been brought to us by the Over Educated and Enlightened smart people just like you. They may identify as liberal or conservative but all of them believe they are smarter than the rest of us.
No Carpenter, Plumber, Electrician, Brick Layer or Steel Worker could have caused as big a mess as you smart guys have already done and are determined to make worse. These guys just make my blood boil, I really need to calm down before I blow a gasket.
As oppossed to Democrats
September 14, 2009 - 21:07 ET by Gone_FishinAs oppossed to Democrats calling Joe out on his lies.
A liberal who is actually working and not sucking on the gov teet...must be a Republican in training.
Klein is a typical democrat stooge.
September 14, 2009 - 21:31 ET by ArchConservativeYou never hear Republicans complain that the 90 percent of blacks who vote for democrats are racists. Never. It's always their party who screams racism the loudest, especially when there is none to be found. It's the Kanye Wests and the Jesse Jacksons and the Rev. Wrights and the Al Sharptons (and the Joe Kleins) that scream and cry.
If you want racism, look in your own party. Look there during the civil rights movements. Look in your party during the primary where the Clintons accused Obama of using race. Look at your President when he demeans an entire police department on national television. Look in your party where you have Sen Byrd (d-WV) who was (is) a Grand Kleagle in the KKK.
The democrats cannot stand honest debates or arguments or criticism. They are losing the media and the media is losing their monopoly and they are all running scared and the first panic button is labled : "RACE".
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
Norah who?
September 14, 2009 - 22:08 ET by pbthinkerI think Norah needs to get pregnant again, she certainly isn't very good at analyzing the news. Limbaugh says that Obama talking about bipartisanship is phoney, considering he hasn't met with Republicans since April and what does she say?: "O'DONNELL: People being scared is being fueled by this fear-mongering, in some ways." Isn't there any intellectual curiosity as to why the President hasn't met with Republicans since April, to hear their ideas? Of course not, which is why no ones watches these shows.
Norah wanted to prove there's a racial part to all of this and liberal/conservative politics don't enter into it at all.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Self-hating caucasian
September 14, 2009 - 22:10 ET by nkviking75JOE KLEIN, TIME: Well I was, I was at some town meetings this summer, most recently in Arkansas. And this is an awful lot about race. You just can't avoid it. I mean he was born black. But it isn't only about the fact that he's black, or the fact that his middle name is Hussein. It's a, about the fact in middle-America among white people, especially working class white people they're seeing all of this stuff. They're seeing Latinos in Arkansas, quite a few of them, move into the neighborhoods. They're seeing South Asians, you know running a lot of businesses. They're seeing intermarriage. They're seeing all these things that they find threatening. And they believe that the America, that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared.
If this isn't stereotyping, I don't know what is. Because these people are from Arkansas, they're a bunch of hicks who are paranoid that minorities are taking over. It really makes you wonder how such a place could produce a liberal like Bill Clinton.
Is Joe Klein a self-hating caucasian?
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
nkviking...Yep, he sure is...
September 14, 2009 - 22:25 ET by PrairieSkyIt's all that "liberal white guilt" coming to the fore, dontcha know?
Also, I have a real problem with Klein's contention that "...they believe that the America, that they knew, which was always kind of a myth, has disappeared." Oh really, Mr. Klein? The America that most Americans have known and still believe in, is a "kind of a myth" and has "disappeared"? Maybe it's a "myth" to him and his libnut buddies, but it's certainly not a myth to the rest of us "little people". That America is alive and well. His elitist, stereotypical attitude toward southern whites is matched by his ignorance about what the average American thinks and believes.
What a yutz.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
Obama and your shills in
September 14, 2009 - 22:26 ET by FishFace222Obama and your shills in the media, keep ignoring the truth. You remind me of Saddam Hussein telling the people of Iraq that they were defeating the infidels (USA) shortly before his statue came down and he ended up in a spider hole.
PMSNBC
September 14, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Forbus"RUSH LIMBAUGH: That speech last night was a fraud. It was dishonest. It
demeaned the office of the presidency. Having attacked and lied
throughout this thing, he then claims he wants to work with
Republicans, with whom he has not met since April."
That's called an O-P-I-N-I-O-N. Just like Klein's comments are an opinion. But only on MSNBC can the talking heads wonder what's causing all the 'vitriol" in the country and explain it by calling people racists and crazies.
Chrissy Matthews
September 14, 2009 - 23:52 ET by BondPlainBondNeeds to get himself a good dental dam and just get to work on the object of his affection and well-publicized tingly "enthusiasm".
The New Morning Joe?
September 15, 2009 - 00:15 ET by TeamcheeserIsn't it about time Joe Klein got his own show on MSNBC? He spends all day on their air waves anyway... Besides, he's a washed up white male (the apparent requirements to have a show on that network).
Rush
September 15, 2009 - 10:30 ET by jessieHRush isn't the Boss. The CONSTITUTION is.
Jessie
September 15, 2009 - 11:09 ET by MrShyTell that to Ears and all your Dem/lib power-hungry creeps.
"South Asians, you know running a lot of businesses"
September 15, 2009 - 10:57 ET by RayRayI recall blacks staging near riotous protests outside of Asian-owned stores in the 90s, including signs saying, "get out of OUR neighborhoods". I doubt that the fair-minded Klein ever mentioned that in all of his years.
In fact, black antipathy towards Asians is nearly taken for granted everywhere in the US today - excpet by liberalsm of course.
While Shaq wasn't being deliberately hateful when he called an Asian player "Ching Chong", he did reveal what is consided normal terminology, in black culture.