On the syndicated "The Chris Matthews Show," over the weekend, Chris Matthews and his panel linked Rush Limbaugh and the GOP to the birthers movement and accused them of playing racial politics. After showing clips of Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin, Matthews and his panel argued that the GOP and conservatives were trying to capitalize on a "dark undercurrent" in America, as Matthews charged: "Are, are the Republicans using this to sort of build the undercurrent of passion against this president? They may not admit it, but are they using it?"
NBC's Norah O'Donnell responded, "Yes I think I do. There is a sense that there are forces out there that are doing harm to this country and so people are looking for a way to de-legitimize Barack Obama. And so whether they can do it by aligning his race or his birth, even though he was born in America, they are a way to de-legitimize him and I think it, it's this dark undercurrent in America. And the thing that concerns me is that rather than focusing on things that unite us, that people are concentrating on things that divide us." [audio available here]
For his part Newsweek's Howard Fineman accused the GOP of using the "anger" to win in 2010.
FINEMAN: "They're looking at the 2010 elections. And these are low turnout, midterm elections, not the presidential election. In low turnout elections those people who are highly motivated are the ones who show up...And the anger could work and they're willing to let it happen.Story Continues Below Ad ↓
The following segment was aired on the August 2, "The Chris Matthews Show":
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Welcome back, six months after President Obama's inauguration, racial comments from the far right have worked their way from below the surface to open season. Take the birthers, the group that's on the Internet and TV claiming that Barack Obama's birth certificate is phony, that he was really born in Kenya and that week-long flap over the Harvard professor's arrest was used by other voices on the far right as an excuse to push this stuff about the President.
(Begin clips)
GLENN BECK: This president I think that exposed himself as a guy over and over and over again who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is.
MICHELLE MALKIN: Well I think he's a racial opportunist, he took that moment, used a health care conference that was a debacle basically and took this story, which is really just a local parochial law enforcement story to try and insure some sort of moment of his racial authenticity.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: This is something that diminishes the office of the presidency. He, this is, it's all about him. It's all about him trying to say and illustrate that he can bring about the end to this racial divide when he was the one that caused all this.
(End clips)
MATTHEWS: Gene is all this dangerous? This new flappery, this nonsense talk that is coming out here?
EUGENE ROBINSON, WASHINGTON POST COLUMNIST: You know, you and I have talked in the past about dog whistle politics.
MATTHEWS: Right.
ROBINSON: This is train whistle politics.
NORAH O'DONNELL, NBC NEWS: Yeah!
ROBINSON: There's nothing subtle about it, there's nothing, nothing quiet about it. Yeah, it's about race and, and it's something that, that opponents of the President are, are exploiting, either for political gain or for personal profit. And you know, we should have expected such things. The first African-American president. I'm not terribly surprised-
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
ROBINSON: -that this would happen. It's not, you know, it's unfortunate but, but it's gonna, it's gonna happen.
MATTHEWS: Jennifer I don't know how a national, I don't want to build this thing up, birther movement beyond it's sort of crazy level but the polling is showing, at least the new poll out I just saw. It's really based in the South where a majority of people don't know he was born in America or say they don't know. The rest of the country it's minuscule, this issue. So maybe Gene's got a point about the ethnic, the racial piece of this but in the White House are they worried that this is opening the door to the crazies?
JENNIFER LOVEN, AP WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I don't think so and I think here's the reason why and they may be naive but I that is I think legitimately their, their belief. These, all these things were aired during the campaign. Now albeit they weren't aired in quite the high-profile way they are now from, from in quite the arena that they are now, but he won. And he won despite all of this being an undercurrent throughout his entire campaign. And I think they look at that and think, "You know, we're just gonna face this over and over again. It's gonna come up, it's gonna go away, it's gonna come up, it's gonna go away." And that's just the life of being the first African-American president in this country.
MATTHEWS: Let's talk about politics. Elections are gonna, we're gon
na have an election next year, an election a couple years after that. Are, are the Republicans using this to sort of build the undercurrent of passion against this president? They may not admit it, but are they using it?
O'DONNELL: You betcha! And I use that phrase because I just returned from Alaska where Sarah Palin said, "Quit making things up," a message, you know, to the media. But, but yes Repub-
MATTHEWS: You feel it up there?
O'DONNELL: Yes I think I do. There is a sense that there are forces out there that are doing harm to this country and so people are looking for a way to de-legitimize Barack Obama. And so whether they can do it by aligning his race or his birth, even though he was born in America, they are a way to de-legitimize him and I think it, it's this dark undercurrent-
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
O'DONNELL: -in America. And the thing that concerns me is that rather than focusing on things that unite us, that people are concentrating on things that divide us.
ROBINSON: There's a larger demographic trend and you know within 40 years or so, there's not gonna be a majority in this country. It's, it's everybody is gonna be a minority. And I think what, what some of the rabble-rousers are doing is, is playing on that fear. And so, well you know, look at Barack Obama, look at Sonia Sotomayor and look at, and you know they're gonna protect their interests of who's what, looking out for your interests-
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
ROBINSON: You, Mr., you know, Mr. and Mrs. White Person.
MATTHEWS: Bill Buckley, died recently, cleaned up the Republican movement, the conservative movement back in the 50s, said, no anti-Semitism, no crazy stuff like this. No Bircher stuff. He said, "You're out of the movement." Is anybody got the weight now to say, "You birthers are not fair!"
HOWARD FINEMAN, NEWSWEEK: No.
MATTHEWS: "This guy is an American like us. Stop the talk."
FINEMAN: Well if the conservative movement today was like the conservative movement then you could do that, but not now. And there is a straight line, now that I think of it, from the Birchers to the birthers.
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
FINEMAN: And there's this part of the American political psyche that is the underside. We talk about e pluribus unum, e pluribus unum, we talk about "we're all in this together." We talk about individuality. But we also fear the "Them." We fear "The Other." We fear the immigrant. We fear the stranger.
MATTHEWS: The mob at the gate.
FINEMAN: That's very much a part of the American mentality. And by the way Gene is right about the long term demographics obviously but Republican strategists aren't looking at the long term demographics. They're looking at the 2010 elections. And these are low turnout, midterm elections, not the presidential election. In low turnout elections those people who are highly motivated are the ones who show up.
MATTHEWS: And the anger will work.
FINEMAN: And the anger could work and they're willing to let it happen.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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Newsflash Norah, O is
August 3, 2009 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerNewsflash Norah, O is de-legitimizing himself, all by himself.
I saw this yesterday.
I didn't even get angry, I found these critters pitiful, all of them in their little leftist lemming lovefest of a blame-game on why O's poll numbers are sinking...blah blah blah...
Reminds me of quick-sand....sinking, slowly but surely..all of them.
It is starting to become humorous.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Limbaugh
August 3, 2009 - 17:01 ET by allanfLimbaugh has barely commented on Obama's birth certificate. He said during the campaign that it was not an issue with any traction so he would not comment on it.
Recently he said Obama could end the controversy by releasing his birth certificate, and noted that Obama had not released his college transcripts, law school transcripts or law review record.
allanf... Exactly. I've
August 3, 2009 - 17:14 ET by bigtimerallanf...
Exactly.
I've heard that too.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
@allanf:
August 3, 2009 - 18:30 ET by j. frank wilsonWhat's a "law review record?" Editors singing their greatest hits?
Ask Limbaugh
August 4, 2009 - 07:07 ET by allanfAsk Limbaugh, he made the remark. His point was that Barack has been very silent about his actual accomplishments.
@allanf:
August 4, 2009 - 13:24 ET by j. frank wilsonSo you don't actually think about your replies, you just parrot what others say? You reply gets points for honesty, I guess. You did admit you have no idea what you were writing about.
Mr. Obama was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. What exactly is his "law review record?"
So you don't actually think
August 4, 2009 - 15:45 ET by PeskyDaneSo you don't actually think about your replies...
Since you don't actually think about your questions and the other grown-ups seem to be ignoring you, I'll try to explain. The law review from a university's law school falls into a category known as a "publication."
A publication as has groups of written words which are supposed to follow a common theme. These are called "articles."
When someone writes an article, it often does not fit into the limited space of the publication, or it may even leave too much room. There are people at the publication whose job is to read theses articles and either make changes themselves or give them back to the original writers of these articles to make the required changes. These people are called "editors."
Now, the people who actually authorize the writing and printing of these publications are called "publishers." See the similarity in the two words? The publishers sometimes want people to remember what was written, so they keep past issues around as well as supporting documents which contain information about who the writers and editors were throughout the history of the publication. This is called an "archive," or a "record."
In the case of the Harvard Law Review, this would be the "law review record" you were so curious about. Now, I've used a lot of big words here, but since you are obviously old enough to use a computer, you can look them up.
I'm sure you're a sweet kid, and you didn't mean to be so nasty to your elders.
@Dane: please begin charging for this
August 4, 2009 - 16:15 ET by SickofLibsDo what I've arranged with The Three Shlubkateers: setup a Paypal account and collect a nominal fee from them (BEFORE YOU RESPOND) for the education and general enlightenment we are providing to these three lads here daily. They need to learn about capitalism.
And do not be fooled by Mr. Wilson's crafty highbrow NYT-esque editorial style, such as referring to Zero as "Mr. Obama"... Mr. Wilson is apparently one of only a miniscule handful of people in the vast blogosphere who did not know that those Black Panthers really were Black Panthers, and demanded "proof" on another thread earlier today. I would be happy to provide a link to that exchange, but then I'd have to request my minimum $1.25 fee that is spelled out in my Terms & Conditions statement.
SickofLibs - You're killing
August 4, 2009 - 16:23 ET by PeskyDaneSickofLibs - You're killing me - but I'll take that under advisement. It's difficult - I like to help the children :-). I see a tortured souls like JFW either trying to thrash their way to a coherent argument or asking the equivilent of "What's that big yellow ball in the sky?" and sometimes I just have to help them.
Dane:
August 4, 2009 - 16:26 ET by SickofLibsThen you have fulfilled your mandatory yearly volunteer requirements for the ObamaCorps!
@SoL (ain't that the truth!):
August 5, 2009 - 09:31 ET by j. frank wilsonMr. Obama is President of the United States, and deserves the respect of any holder of that office. Just as Gov. Bush did.
I realize this is a tough concept for many folks on NB - including, obviously, you.
Nice of you to work in the hated New York Times. Too bad you couldn't have figured out a way to include France, or European Socialism, or any other of the meaningless right wing nutz' props...
Hypocrite much?
August 5, 2009 - 09:38 ET by Blonde"Mr. Obama" vs. "Gov. Bush"?
I wasn't aware Jeb was Prez.....because he's the one with THAT title now (as a former governor).
I hope he fails, too.
How about Lt. Bush or Little
August 5, 2009 - 09:44 ET by SickofLibsHow about Lt. Bush or Little League Catcher Bush?
frankie's just being himself
August 5, 2009 - 09:46 ET by Blondeannoying troll.
I hope he fails, too.
@Blonde:
August 5, 2009 - 11:06 ET by j. frank wilsonThe United States has one President at a time. Mr. Obama is the current President. You must have heard about that? It was on television and everything.
Former US Presidents are properly addressed by the highest title they held prior to becoming President. This started with - gee - Gen. George Washington...
→ @nonsense
August 5, 2009 - 11:14 ET by Cool ArrowSo we're supposed to refer to Bush 41 as Vice President Bush?
And Al Gore as Senator Gore?
You're just being silly. There is no such convention employed, except within the confines of your own sense of pontifical omniscience.
I can't believe you're unaware the proper address would be "Former President Bush" or "Former Vice President Gore"
I shouldn't be surprised.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool: What's the speed of dark?
August 5, 2009 - 11:24 ET by SickofLibsThis is simply mind-numbing.
→ No kidding SOL
August 5, 2009 - 11:28 ET by Cool ArrowI'm sure he'll follow up with the obligatory "This borders on libel" comment.
Nothing, if not predictable.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool: I'll throw this in just to be sure:
August 5, 2009 - 11:39 ET by SickofLibsTo Mr. Wilson, a conclusion is the place where he got tired of thinking.
@Cool Arrow:
August 5, 2009 - 16:47 ET by j. frank wilsonWould I expect you to already know this? Of course not. I don't begin to give you that much credit.
Would I expect you to understand it once it has been explained to you? Nope. Heck - what did George Washignton know about protocol, manners and good taste?
We've only been doing it the right way for a couple of hundred years. Let's all change, just for you! You betcha!
Anyone actually interested in learning something is welcome to read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012003558.html
Or Emily Post. Or any other reliable source. This isn't exactly a secret.
~Wow
August 5, 2009 - 17:15 ET by choselife3xA liberal quoting Miss Manners.....how progressive of you. I can quote her too.
Dear Miss Manners:
What should an American president do when he greets a foreign head of state? What about his wife?
Where is the Office of Protocol, for goodness' sake?
But symbolic subservience to a foreign ruler is worse. When Miss
Manners sees American citizens delighting in bowing or curtseying to
royalty, she tries to remind herself that they are just being silly,
not treasonous. When an American official does it, we can only hope it
was because he was noticing that his own shoelace was undone -- and not
that he recognizes the divine right of kings in general, or the
authority over us of that king in particular.
Ouch.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Only Chuck Norris can pull off talking in the third person
August 5, 2009 - 17:32 ET by SickofLibsChuck Norris: "Chuck Norris had ladyfingers and watercress sandwiches with Mr. Wilson at High Tea yesterday."
See what I mean?
Miss Manners??? @Bwaahhaa!
August 5, 2009 - 17:20 ET by SickofLibsObama, yesterday: "We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home."
Gee, maybe it IS "exactly a secret." But I digress; Mr. Wilson is working on his "I'm a hoi polloi NYT reporter" impression again.
Do you have any updates on the proper etiquette upon meeting Henry VIII?
Just produce ONE snippet from anywhere on how "Governor Clinton" negotiated the release of those two women from NK.
J. Frank Wilson~
August 5, 2009 - 18:05 ET by Georgia GirlYou are quoting Miss Manners? That's rich. You -- who in a snottily condescending manner said the following to Cool Arrow:
"Would I expect you to already know this? Of course not. I don't begin to give you that much credit...Would I expect you to understand it once it has been explained to you? Nope."
If you're going to reference a "manners expert," you may want to avoid sounding like a pompous hypocrite.
@GG:
August 5, 2009 - 18:53 ET by j. frank wilsonHypocrite? I refered to "Gov. Bush" and Blonde got her panties all in a bunch about it.
Cool Arrow jumped in and I provided references to proper protocol.
Is the truth a bitter cup? That's hardly my fault. Although I did notice you found no fault with anyone else's conduct here. I guess as long as one joins the closed loop of right wing groupthink, all else is forgiven...
J.Frank Wilson~
August 5, 2009 - 19:46 ET by Georgia GirlWrong. I'm specifically addressing your reference to Miss Manners -- pointing out that if you are going to reference an expert on manners, you are diluting your message by speaking in a rude tone.
Frankie
August 5, 2009 - 19:51 ET by Unsanefrankie is the only one allowed to be rude, insulting, snotty, and condescending on NB. Don't you get it?
Above all, do not dare pick on his God.
I am still waiting for frankie to show me how NB is a hotbed of racism and bigotry. But since he hasn't shown me yet, I am getting to the point where I am just going to conclude that he is full of s***.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane...
August 5, 2009 - 20:01 ET by MightyMouthI just ran frankie's name backwards: nosliw knarf j.. if I am not mistaken that was aka snarf: guy who ran around campus smelling girls bicycle seats.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
@Inane:
August 5, 2009 - 20:38 ET by j. frank wilsonI'm still waiting for you to read your own posts.
Since they are turgid and generally much too long, I can certainly understand why you wouldn't want to read them, of course.
But if you don't read your own work, why should anyone else?
scorecard
August 5, 2009 - 20:40 ET by Free StinkerUnsane: 1
J. Frank Moonbat: 0
@GG:
August 5, 2009 - 20:43 ET by j. frank wilsonYou can not point to a single one of my NB replies where I started off insulting anyone. I can show you several very pleasant exchanges where this never came up.
However, I will defend myself. Am I the only one at NB who isn't allowed to do that?
May I ask you to back and re-read the original exchange? I was attacked for being correct. And I called Cool Arrow on it. He isn't big enough to admit he was wrong. But no surprise there...
Search for...
August 5, 2009 - 20:47 ET by MightyMouth"@bigmouth". frankie you are the worst offender of ad hominem here. Hence we think you, as a good Christian, would want to be treated as you treat others.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
What a sad kid you are. I
August 5, 2009 - 20:58 ET by PeskyDaneWhat a sad kid you are. I can't say that I've ever seen someone filled with such loathing. Why don't you take the rest of the night off, for your own good?
J. Frank Wilson~
August 5, 2009 - 22:08 ET by Georgia GirlOkay, I have to admit that I laughed out loud when I read your first sentence...it just struck me as really funny. Sort of like: "Well, I always start off being pleasant -- it's not until much later that I start the insulting." LOL. I'm laughing with you. You're laughing, right? Pretty much, it's human nature to operate that way. We can be nice until someone really ticks us off.
I have not read this whole thread, but I read a few lead-ups to your posting the Miss Manners link. I don't think you got what I was saying to you. I will try one more time. By referencing Miss Manners in the same post that you condescended to Cool Arrow (rudeness/manners issue!), it was IRONIC. You put enough stock in Miss Manners to use as a reference, yet you don't seem very manner-minded in this post, so it's hard to believe this is your great source for your argument. It would be like:
I'm driving down the street and see a kid who is riding his bike on the wrong side of the road. As I take my eyes off the road to call out: "Hey! Watch the rules of the road!", I end up running over a dog. IRONIC. And in running over the dog, I pretty much lose all credibility in addressing the issue about the kid on the bike being on the wrong side of the road. Not the best example, but I'm tired. In other words: It's not a great idea to REFERENCE MISS MANNERS IN THE SAME POST WHERE YOU ARE BEING SNOTTY AND CONDESCENDING (POORLY MANNERED). That was it. That is what I was saying. I'm exhausted. *_*
You have a right to speak your mind on here, just like everybody else.
→ No @Frank
August 5, 2009 - 22:15 ET by Cool ArrowI attacked you for belittling another poster with false information. Do you deny making the following absurd statement?
I responded that your contention was ignorant and that the proper reference is "Former President"
Yes, I called you on it, and I honestly can't believe you're still contending the proper address to a Former President is his title prior to being President.
It's patently untrue. You know it. Yet you claim I attacked you for being correct.
I think it's safe to say I'm not the only one laughing at you on this one.
Methinks you posted stupidly. But don't worry, according to liberals, that's not the same as calling you stupid.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Oh come on Cool!
August 5, 2009 - 22:37 ET by BlondeWe have:
Governor Bush
Governor Clinton
Governor Carter
Senator Bush
And before they died.....Governor Reagan, Representative Ford, Vice President Nixon, Senator Kennedy.
Frank just proved himself to be dumber than dirt, truly.
I think it's time for frankie to go.....to the land of the NB troll cemetary....doncha think?
I hope he fails, too.
→ I don't know, Blonde
August 5, 2009 - 22:42 ET by Cool ArrowSometimes I like to watch the trolls flappin' in the wind.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I enjoy flappin' too
August 5, 2009 - 22:49 ET by BlondeBut pure lies and bs kind of rubs me the wrong way, Cool.
I hope he fails, too.
I will thank you, frank
August 5, 2009 - 22:25 ET by BlondeNot to refer to my panties....you perv.
I hope he fails, too.
Yes...
August 6, 2009 - 08:43 ET by Georgia GirlThat was completely inappropriate and none of us women appreciate it one bit.
@Blonde & GG:
August 6, 2009 - 08:52 ET by j. frank wilsonIf you were offended then you have my sincere apology.
Wilson~
August 6, 2009 - 12:23 ET by Georgia GirlWell, I can't accept this apology on behalf of Blonde, since the comment was regarding/referring to her, so I defer to her on that...but I do appreciate your comment back.
Now see, this is why liberals are thought of as stupid.
August 6, 2009 - 07:05 ET by RESTLESS 1When Washington is referred to as "general", it is in reference to his deeds as General George Washington, such as "General George Washington crossed the Delaware...".
If I were talking about some state legislation that Clinton signed while gov. of Ark. I would rightfully refer to him as Gov. Clinton. If I were to refer to Clinton signing legislation while Pres., I would rightfully refer to him as Pres. Clinton, or Former Pres. Clinton.
I'm sure this goes over you head Frankie, but then so much does.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Wrong, j frank
August 5, 2009 - 16:53 ET by CobraMan"Former US Presidents are properly addressed by the highest title they held prior to becoming President. This started with - gee - Gen. George Washington..."
You're wrong, FORMER Presidents are properly referred to by their LAST title, not their previous one. Hence PRESIDENT Washington as opposed to General Washington.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Really frankie?
August 5, 2009 - 22:19 ET by BlondeReally? Truly? .....seriously...that was the lamest thing I have EVER EVER EVER seen you post.
So that is why Bill Clinton was referred to, today, on all of the reports of him springing the two reporterettes, as Governor Clinton? Is that correct? Because that is NOT what I heard....not even once.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
I hope he fails, too.
→ Blonde
August 5, 2009 - 22:28 ET by Cool ArrowHe directed me to a Miss Manners column.
I thought she and Mr. Bungle got married a few years back.
Isn't she Mrs Manners-Bungle now?
I wonder what George Washington calls her?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA
August 5, 2009 - 22:33 ET by BlondeMr. Wilson is an idiot.
Enough said.
I hope he fails, too.
CA/President thing~
August 6, 2009 - 12:58 ET by Georgia GirlOkay, I'm confused. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but all former presidents get the courtesy title of "President" throughout their lifetime. They've earned it, and I don't get why this is even an issue. Some say "former President blah-blah" and some say "President," but the fact they held that office makes it easily understood that the title will be used after they leave office, in a variety of ways -- and it doesn't take anything away from the current president. It's like all presidents are part of the presidential family for life. Everybody gets who is the current president. All former presidents get that they are not the sitting president. What's not to understand? It's a no-brainer. It's like a widow who still writes her name down as "Mrs." It's part of her permanent identity, even if it is not technically accurate for the situation at hand.
GAME OVER. CASE CLOSED. THE END! [And I don't care what Miss Manners says -- I hardly look to Miss Manners as a foundational source for life]. Presidents getting to keep their "President" title is built into our society, and it's been that way for as long as I can remember. And, frankly, I am tired of hearing about George Washington as an example of why former presidents can't have their title -- it changes nothing in regard to it being perfectly okay for former presidents to be referred to as "President" after leaving office.
P.S. Speaking of which, Ling said "PRESIDENT CLINTON" at that news conference. She told how they were asked to go to a meeting -- and when they walked in, THERE WAS PRESIDENT CLINTON. Should someone have corrected her? Uh, no, I'm sorry...that would be former President Clinton -- get it right and show some respect for Obama? That would have sounded odd -- like we don't know he's a former president, and the emotion she was expressing was that knew they were safe...an American president came for them. It was a perfect example of why it is a GOOD thing to have the title be that way. It represented AMERICA coming through, and how much we value that office.
seriously...that was the lamest thing I have EVER EVER EVER seen
August 5, 2009 - 22:35 ET by shawn228".....seriously...that was the lamest thing I have EVER EVER EVER seen you post."
That covers alot of ground ;-)
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
Well, shawnee
August 5, 2009 - 22:39 ET by BlondeI was referring to j frank, after all.
Had it been you....well, I'd have had to have given it a WHOLE LOT of thought. :)
I hope he fails, too.
→ In Shawn's defense
August 5, 2009 - 22:47 ET by Cool ArrowI doubt you would have awarded Shawn a triple concatenation of "EVER"
Sometimes you wish for a better class of troll, you get one, and you end up liking him.
Don't tell Shawn I said that.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I'd not thought of it, actually
August 5, 2009 - 22:52 ET by BlondeWhen shawn arrived here.....
There are trolls....then there are uninformed people who have been taken advantage of by leftists and bad teachers (like Shawn). I'd never triple hit Shawn with anything other than maybe a :) ... he's one of us, even if he wouldn't admit it to another liberal.
I hope he fails, too.
@Blonde:
August 6, 2009 - 08:59 ET by j. frank wilsonSo, when George Bush asked "Is our children learning?" that was suddenly correct? Or, if we are able to disintangle Sarah Palin's syntax, that's the new gold standard for English?
Simply because the mistake is common it's no longer a mistake?
You betcha!
→ @Frank
August 6, 2009 - 09:11 ET by Cool ArrowI'll take a free shot on this since it's you playing the roles of Grammar Nazi and Amy Vanderbilt
"disintangle"? Is that the sitting angle at which one receives best relief from dysentery?
I must admit I've never seen the word before.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Syntax
August 6, 2009 - 09:17 ET by misterbillWhat the government gets from houses of ill repute.
like the respect you showed with your lies?
August 5, 2009 - 09:52 ET by JWFWhy is J Frank Wilson coming here and continuing to push all the Bush era lies and innuendo while complaining about the Obama birth certificate issue? Just like his buddy goldbar, but at least goldbar had the common sense not to actually push old lies while trying to dispel a current lie.
George Bush hid is military records.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service.
Bush stole the election in 2000
j frank wilson: Then's there's George Bush's election - when the rules for voting in the State of Florida were appealed to the US Supreme Court. That was a first. And the Court ruled its decision could not be used as a precedent?
The Executive branch is making laws as opposed to the Legislative branch (congress)
j frank wilson: The Bush Administration did their best to make up laws as they went along
U.S. Law does not apply to Gitmo
j frank wilson: Well, like the claim that Gitmo is not "US soil."
Bush holding U.S citizens without trial
j frank wilson: placing a US citizen in prison without a trial.
Huh?
j frank wilson: their idea of solving the health care mess was to pass a law that poor Terry Shavio was still alive.
Yes you did, twice on this very page, liar.
j frank wilson: I never suggested Sen. McCain was not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
@JWF:
August 5, 2009 - 11:08 ET by j. frank wilsonYou have a point? Are you claiming those statements are not true?
Yes. They are lies from private bill wilson.
August 5, 2009 - 11:30 ET by JWFLooks like the armies newest recruit, Private Bill Wilson, needs to put out his pants.
It was a Senate Resolution idiot. I posted the exact Senate Resolution and linked to it. Private Bills say Private Bill right in the title.
That was the third time you made a McCain birther post. You are a McCain birther that came here to complain about Obama birthers.
I noticed you somehow missed all of the lies you made about Bush in your eagerness to be wrong about the private bill again.
Oh, while you were whining about the McCain Resolution, the House passed one for Obama.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20090728_us_house_on_record_in_birth_flap.html
Of course I posted about this 2 days ago here on this very page
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
@JWF:
August 5, 2009 - 16:10 ET by j. frank wilsonAh, there's nothing like an instant expert. One day you've never heard of a private bill and call me an idiot for bringing it up. The next day you know all about it!
Wow! Zero to sixty in a couple of seconds. Too bad you threw it into reverse.
Of course you missed where I wrote "what amounts to..." But I wouldn't expect you to actually read the reply...
@ one of NB's Three Stooges
August 5, 2009 - 19:55 ET by UnsaneFrankie, "what amounts to" is completely different from "what is". But then, you have demonstrated repeatedly how little you grasp the English language.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Hey everybody, Private Bill wilson is stll trying to school me.
August 5, 2009 - 20:44 ET by JWFPrivate Bill Wilson still does not know the difference between a Private Bill and a Resolution. But hold the bus, the short bus for Private Bill Wilson, he still wants to school me.
Private Bill Wilson still can't tell the difference between being uneducated and being stupid.
One day you've never heard of a private bill and call me an idiot for bringing it up. The next day you know all about it!
No idiot, I called you an idiot because you called a resolution a private bill, idiot. I never heard of a private bill because I never had need of a private bill, idiot. I have heard plenty about resolutions including the resolution you called a private bill, idiot.
Wow! Zero to sixty in a couple of seconds. Too bad you threw it into reverse.
It is called reading, idiot. Something you rarely do. It took me all of 45 seconds to learn what a private bill is, idiot. You on the other hand, knew what a private bill was and still called a resolution a private bill. Now we both know what a private bill is. Now we all know you are an idiot that calls a private bill and resolution despite knowing the difference.
Of course you missed where I wrote "what amounts to..."
Really, now what did the idiot say again?
Private Bill Idiot: ...since the US Congress settled that by what I would consider to be a private bill,
Oh, so the proper name for resolutions is up to what Private Bill Idiot would consider?
Private Bill Idiot: If Mr. McCain's status as a natural-born citizen was not in question, why did Congress pass the private bill that stated he was?
Sorry Private Bill Idiot, I am a little confused. That looks a lot like the word the, not amounts to. You lying to us Private Bill Idiot?
Hey, Private Bill Idiot. You need to stick to lying and stay away from all the schooling. You are much better at lying
You know what else I found while I was looking up what the hell a private bill is? The wikipedia entry for j. frank wilson.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
@jwf:
August 5, 2009 - 20:49 ET by j. frank wilsonYep. Instant expert.
Just add - what? - sniffing glue? Vanilla extract? What is the magic ingredient that permits you to suddenly go from accusing me of making something up to you knowing all about it?
You're wasting your talents on NB - surely the world needs far more people like you...
scorecard
August 5, 2009 - 20:53 ET by Free StinkerJWF: 2
j.frank moonbat: 0
The idiot still tries to school me.
August 5, 2009 - 22:31 ET by JWF...suddenly go from accusing me of making something up
Who accused you of making something up, idiot? I said you don't know the difference between a private bill and a resolution. Still, to this day. here is exactly what I posted --
Looks to me that I asked if an idiot had a clue as to the difference between a private bill and a resolution. He still has no clue to this day.
...to you knowing all about it?
The magic ingredient - the ability to read. Something Private Bill Idjut can barely manage.
Ding! Look, stupid just smacked you in the skull again.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
→ JWF
August 5, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Cool ArrowActually J. Frank Wilson is on wiki.
He died in 1991 from prolonged alcoholism. He was a local around these parts.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
JWF...
August 5, 2009 - 20:57 ET by MightyMouth...the link...ROFLMAO!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
At least one isn't true.
August 5, 2009 - 17:02 ET by CobraManAt least one isn't true, and that's the lie that Bush never released his military records. You may want to check out this link for details.
Documenting Bush's military records
It includes his DD Form-214, which is his discharge.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
@CobraMan:
August 5, 2009 - 19:00 ET by j. frank wilsonI never said "[Gov.; Mr. if you prefer] Bush never released his military records."
I specifically referred to his final DD-214. I waded through several of the links you provided. Certainly didn't see it.
I did, however, find an interesting entry on his "Report of Separation and Record of Service..." document:
"Officer has a six year service obligation under the provisions of 10 USC 651, as [amended? can't read it] and has completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days toward this obligation."
Appears to me Maj. Marten didn't like one of his young officers leaving the service early, and took some pains to point out the short-fall.
Box 24 lists only two very cryptic "Decorations, Citations, Medals, Badges, Commendations, and Campaign Ribbons Awarded or Authorized."
Also interesting that Lieut. Bush didn't sign this form. Box 33 is filled in with "NOT AVAILABLE FOR SIGNATURE" [caps in the original]. Guess he'd taken off by then.
Look everyone, the idiot is schooling us on a DD-214.
August 5, 2009 - 23:02 ET by JWFAnd he is dumb enough to do it in the presence of The Vet? Looks like someone rolled out of bed this morning and stepped in a big pile of stupid.
Also interesting that Lieut. Bush didn't sign this form.
Did everyone here sign their birth certificate? No? A DD-214 is usually given when people separate from service. It is the form that proves you worked for Uncle Sam much as a birth certificate proves you wuz born. Much the same as a death certificate, you are not required to sign it. A signature only confirms you have read it and are aware of no errors. Can't say that about Private Bill Idiot, he is a walking talkin error.
Box 24 lists only two very cryptic "Decorations, Citations, Medals, Badges, Commendations, and Campaign Ribbons Awarded or Authorized."
Cry me a river. The DD-214 is not meant to be read by idiots. It is meant to sum up a 20, 30, 40 year career on one page. That Decorations... box has to sum up a chest full of ribbons and medals. Yes, it will be quite cryptic to cowardly idiots that never served a day.
So why don't you school us on exactly what should be in the hidden DD-214, PBI.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
Seeing as how he never served a day of active duty and was only in the Guard. What exactly should be on his DD-214?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
→ DD-214
August 5, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Cool ArrowI had mine filled out by a clerk at a manual typewriter while outprocessing at Ft. Dix.
I made copies of it when I enrolled in college, but haven't done anything with it since.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
@JWF:
August 6, 2009 - 09:03 ET by j. frank wilsonThe Instant Expert continues...
If you've seen George Bush's final DD-214, please share it with us.
Your post references it - can we now see it?
Choo Choo Express train to stupid >>>>>>>>>>>
August 6, 2009 - 10:12 ET by JWFFirst stop private bill frankinj stupid's front door.
George W Bush never served in the Defense Department, Capital S-stupidly stupinjay D. Only people that actually were on active Duty get forms in the DD style. Dee-part-ment-of-Dee-fence.
Or maybe the Roll On Stupid ramp collapsed and you missed my 20 other posts here today.
Or maybe you missed this on the post YOU JUST REPLYED TO.
JWF: Seeing as how he never served a day of active duty and was only in the Guard. What exactly should be on his DD-214?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Perhaps if you expressed
August 6, 2009 - 10:20 ET by SickofLibsPerhaps if you expressed your point in the form of a differential equation for Professor Wilson...?
Hey boys and girls, gather round. j frank wilson is schooling us
August 5, 2009 - 23:19 ET by JWFfrank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
The Vet was in the Navy for 20 years and has a DD form 214.
DD. Now what does that stand for boys and girls. Department of Defense. Hmmmmm. President George W. Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard not the Department of Defense. Hmmmmm.
Hmmmm. George W Bush who served in the Texas Air National Guard was never called to active duty. HMMMMMMM.
Should George W Bush have a DD-214 if he never actually served in the Department of Defense? Hmmmmmm.
j. frank wilson - collecting stupid like it was going out of style.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
j frank wilson shools us on active duty vs reserve vs guard duty
August 5, 2009 - 23:39 ET by JWFj frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
Come on frankie, please explain to us how a man that never served a day of active duty should get any DD form.
While you are at it, explain the difference between a DD-214 and a final DD-214. Because most of us only get the one DD-214 when we separate.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
j frank wilson - military expert
August 5, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JWFj frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
Phil Carter knows something about military records. Maybe he can help frankie the idiot.
private bill frankinjay wilson is 5 years behind stupid.
August 6, 2009 - 07:24 ET by JWFThis issue came up and was answered during the 2004 election.
j frank wilson is stale 5 year old dried out dusty moldy stupid.
That brand of stupid is rarely seen even in the stupid genus.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Mr. Wilson officially exonerates NBers for criticizing Obama
August 5, 2009 - 09:58 ET by SickofLibs"Mr. Obama is President of the United States, and deserves the respect OF ANY HOLDER OF THAT OFFICE?"?
So you mean only former presidents have to respect him. Good, because I thought I might have been out of line in the past.
Deserves Respect
August 6, 2009 - 10:09 ET by allanfAbove you accused me of "parroting" and presumably the purpose of my remark was lost on you.
Now you write "deserves respect".
J Frank, when is name calling okay? Is it okay when you do it? Do you deserve respect when you don't give it?
@PD:
August 5, 2009 - 09:27 ET by j. frank wilsonI'm sure you thought you had a point when you started writing.
Unfortunately, you didn't make it. "What is a law school record?" seems like such a simple question.
Mr. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review. That's a fact. Back issues are readily available.
So what's the complaint? Do you want to review the rough drafts and edits of the articles that were published? Good luck with that. There isn't a publication in the nation that would give you that information (assuming they had it, of course, and there would be no reason to keep it).
Perhaps you're one of those deluded folks who wonder why Mr. Obama's name doesn't appear on any of the articles. People here at NB have pointed that out as proof he didn't accomplish anything there. Of course, as a matter of long-standing policy, the Harvard Law Review articles are unsigned.
So - once again - if you thought you really might have had a point, why don't you make it?
"What is a law school
August 5, 2009 - 10:19 ET by PeskyDane"What is a law school record?" seems like such a simple question.
Agreed, that is a simple question, but not the one you asked.
You asked, "What's a 'law review record?,'" and I broke it down for you in very simple, child-like terms which I even you should have been able to understand.
Your child-like naivete is also reveled here: Do you want to review the rough drafts and edits of the articles... (assuming they had it, of course, and there would be no reason to keep it). You either underestimate or are deliberately obtuse regarding the sheer egos of those involved. Of course they keep this. The publishers of any Ivy League organization have endowment funded warehouses full of raw documents. These people think that what they are doing is so important, that every little bit of the "historical record" must be preserved.
And yes, I am dialed in at the university level, and have first hand knowledge that this is how it works.
You have an opportunity to prove me wrong in my assessment that you are indeed a child. Now that you've been undeniably owned, let's see if you you can accept it with a becoming grace...
@PD:
August 5, 2009 - 11:10 ET by j. frank wilsonThe Point? Remember - you thought you had one...It was around the house somewhere...maybe if you hadn't been huff'ing paint before you posted you could find it...That's right! It was right next to The Clue...
Only...only...you never had a Clue...
I own you.
August 5, 2009 - 12:07 ET by PeskyDaneI own you.
→ Pesky
August 5, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Cool ArrowI hope you have other investments to offset this liability.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool - You forgot the evil
August 5, 2009 - 12:23 ET by PeskyDaneCool - You forgot the evil laugh! Thank you. Have me nearly choking on my sandwich here.
I mean really - he asks a question, and then asks me, 'what's the point?' Digest that for a minute. When have you ever in your life asked someone what is the point of answering a question you yourself posed?
→ Just wondering
August 5, 2009 - 12:26 ET by Cool ArrowTrade him in over at "Cash 4 Flunkers".
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
@PD:
August 5, 2009 - 16:15 ET by j. frank wilsonThe point is to actually answer the question. It seems so simple. "What is a 'law school record?'" Perhaps it is so basic that it went right over your head.
But then, we realize you're really right now, confusing NB with your Twitter account as you share your compelling insights about how your wife wants you to prance around your front yard without your shirt on...gripping...
You do sound bitter about the academic life. Get passed over again, Bunkey? Those leftist, pinkos just can't grasp the brilliance of your scholarship? Dang - hate it when that happens...
~Owner
August 5, 2009 - 12:23 ET by choselife3xThe j. frank wilson model has been recalled due to a manufacturer's defect. Please contact the daily Kos for a full refund of your purchase price of 5 pounds of horsesh!t and a dollop of bile.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Darn, I had plans for that
August 5, 2009 - 12:24 ET by PeskyDaneDarn, I had plans for that one.
→ Cash 4 Flunkers
August 5, 2009 - 12:27 ET by Cool ArrowGuess I should have waited a little longer.
My comment fits better here.
GMTA.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
~Proceed at your own risk
August 5, 2009 - 12:27 ET by choselife3xHe breaks easily.
It's the crying, mewling, and puking that really gets on your nerves, though.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Please stop. I am going to
August 5, 2009 - 12:33 ET by PeskyDanePlease stop. I am going to get nothing done this afternoon.
~Now
August 5, 2009 - 12:38 ET by choselife3xYou sound like my husband. ;-)
Thanks for reminding me, I was going to mow the backyard for him today.
When you're done with frankie swillsome please return him to the used trolls bin, I'm going to be in the mood for a snack later.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Because Obama is such a uniter, isn't he Norah?
August 3, 2009 - 16:59 ET by lsudolemiteWho isn't proud of our post-racial president after proclaiming that a police department "acted stupidly" with no supporting evidence? And who is it again who vilified Wall Street executives, people making over $250K/yr. in general, and is now attempting to do so with insurance companies? How about that impending middle class tax hike for Obamacare after explicitly promising exactly the opposite during the campaign?
Sorry for the last one, according to Bob Beckel it's OK to renege on campaign promises once you get elected.
Open your eyes, O'Donnell
August 3, 2009 - 17:08 ET by GalvanicNBC's Norah O'Donnell responded, "Yes I think I do. There is a sense that there are forces out there that are doing harm to this country . . .
Take a good, hard look in the mirror, O'Donnell.
. . . And the thing that concerns me is that rather than focusing on things that unite us, that people are concentrating on things that divide us."
Would that be a vailed reference to an American President who made a racist observation about a local law enforcement episode even though -- by his own caveat -- he didn't have all the facts?
;-)
Wouldn't having an inelligible person as president be divisive?
August 4, 2009 - 11:42 ET by mattmhttp://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-in-kenya.htm
This could very well be a fake, but Obama has yet to realease anything other than the "certification of live birth" - which is supposedly for people born abroad - so until he does, it's legitimate to think he's the fake.
Calling people "birthers" is just a tactic to make people afraid to bring up this issue, so it will go away: An easier way to make the "birthers" look ridiculous would be to release the real birth certificate and prove the "birthers" wrong.
Thanks Matt
August 4, 2009 - 14:34 ET by acumenfor posting this. I had not heard about an Obama Kenyan birth certificate before your post.
Interesting that plaintiff Hillary would be arriving in Kenya today. Does she intend on adding the birth certificate to her FBI file collection?
I know this has to be
August 3, 2009 - 17:10 ET by Chris NormanI know this has to be documented, because this is the kind of dishonest crap going on in the media. But - it is comforting to know that - except for being noted on this site - very few people saw or heard this - anything discussed on the weekend Chris Matthews Show is almost like a private conversation - like they stuck a video camera in some liberal's family room...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Hey Tingles, you bet your saggy butt the anger is going to work
August 3, 2009 - 17:16 ET by SickofLibs...he probably lays in bed in a cold sweat every night worrying about Zero's plummeting poll numbers and 2012.
"He's us, and they're going to take him away!"
Just because he misses one bi-weekly porking session he gets all crabby and stuff. Man-up and wait your turn!
I see they're dusting the
August 3, 2009 - 17:21 ET by Chris NormanI see they're dusting the thick layer off their blame from the 1994 congressional elections of the voters having a "temper tantrum".
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Yep...and they'd better
August 3, 2009 - 17:29 ET by bigtimerYep...and they'd better have their Kleenex boxes on hand in '10, I still remember Judy Woodruff all perplexed, astounded and teary-eyed wondering how this could possibly happen, how such an outrage was even real.
I just worry about ACORN, sister groups, trial lawyers and the msm for the cheating, it wasn't as prevalent or entrenched as it is now back then.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,I'd like to think,
August 3, 2009 - 17:41 ET by Chris Normanbt,
I'd like to think, with Obama's name not on the ballot, the charlatans and election thieves will have a much harder time getting their minions out of bed and the asylums and to the polling places.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Same here when it comes to
August 3, 2009 - 17:50 ET by bigtimerSame here when it comes to the midterms Chris....of course we are all used to the Unions hand in hand with ACORN and the dems busing people in to polling places, all over the place....over and over again...and then we have people like the New Black Panthers being named poll watchers now...instead of prosecuted.
No, I worry.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
If the Democrats stay
August 3, 2009 - 17:57 ET by Chris NormanIf the Democrats stay even or, heaven forbid, gain seats - then we will know that the apparatus for a one party state is in place and working. That will be bad - very, very bad.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris... ...but if they
August 3, 2009 - 18:09 ET by bigtimerChris...
...but if they don't, it will be good, very, very good.
I'm hoping for the glass half full scenario.
Just is daunting at times anymore to be optimistic when you know all the filth the dems use to cheat and win by any means.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Matthews should link 'Birthers' to Hillary Clinton and friends
August 3, 2009 - 17:23 ET by Gary HallMatthews should link 'Birthers' to Hillary Clinton and friends.
Washington Times, Aug 28, 2008 - Lawsuit questions Obama's eligibility for office --- Citizenship claim at issue
..a few excepts:
(;~/ gary
I am starting to think that many on the left, including not a...
August 3, 2009 - 17:24 ET by R D Helm....few conservatives, are secretly afraid that there just might actually be something amiss with Obama's eligibility.
-Dave
Me, too
August 3, 2009 - 17:32 ET by SickofLibsSweating bullets big time.
Me three. Time will tell,
August 3, 2009 - 17:37 ET by bigtimerMe three.
Time will tell, but they wouldn't be squawking as much and so loud if they aren't worried about something...probably a combination of things regarding their messiah.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT~
August 3, 2009 - 18:16 ET by Georgia GirlHis "I-see-nothing-I-hear-nothing-I-know-nothing" way of skirting responsibility and covering his tracks gives every indication he's not a straightshooter. I think of it like a cluttered, over-stuffed closet. If anybody opens that door, junk is going to inevitably fall out.
GG... Boy, do I love the
August 3, 2009 - 18:20 ET by bigtimerGG...
Boy, do I love the way you look at it.
That's the truth too...and it's happening, they door is just being slid open slowly, to try to stop some of that junk from toppling to the floor before they can catch it.
Heheee...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT...watch out below!
August 3, 2009 - 18:28 ET by Georgia GirlGee, I hope that the door doesn't open too far -- I'd sure hate to see all those liberals scurrying around to catch The One's junk before it bonks them (ever-so-lightly!) on the head. Tee hee.
For the first time in a long while, I am hopeful. Maybe Americans really will save America. I just hope it's not too late.
GG...
August 3, 2009 - 18:34 ET by bigtimerYou and me both gal, you and me both.
I do have to say though, after watching all of the video's I have over the last two days and then some of the Town Hall meetings and the Tea parties etc...I am really starting to gain hope, and my nature is being an optimistic person...so I am really hoping, time will tell, we have a long way to go...but it's looking better than I thought it would only after The One being office for six months...although it does seem a lot longer.
I am very fearful what the power the left has in Congress that they can passed in the meantime though...Cap & Tax, Amnesty, ObamaCare, these will kill us....well, you know what I mean.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT/I sure do...
August 3, 2009 - 18:52 ET by Georgia GirlAnd it's like we can't take our eyes off anything else that may be going on as well. Beck is right -- Obama really is overwhelming the system on all fronts, and it's hard to keep up on it all. But I feel like we are at a really pivotal point right now and conservatives cannot let down. It's making a difference, and the tide is turning. Moderates/independents are beginning to change their minds on him, and I think that's key. And finally -- when it hits people in the wallet (or on vulnerable personal issues like health), they start to look up -- and around -- at what's going on.
But for many of us, we've been freaked out since Nov. 5! So to us, it's like we've been watching a car accident in slow motion forever. *_*
GG: can't believe you just said that
August 3, 2009 - 18:24 ET by SickofLibs"Someone" cleaned up the LR closet and stuffed the Hoover Wind Tunnel up on the shelf to "save floor space" - I open the closet this morning, and bammo, right in the forehead.
SoL~
August 3, 2009 - 18:33 ET by Georgia GirlOuch! That's gotta hurt. ((*_))
[The one "eye" was a typo, but it fits!]
Dave, Bill O'Reilly has
August 3, 2009 - 17:59 ET by Chris NormanDave,
Bill O'Reilly has stated "there's nothing there" and he's seen Obama's birth certificate - so I guess that's that - right? Right?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris,
August 3, 2009 - 18:09 ET by R D HelmIf he has seen it, then he is the only person on the planet that has.
Some exclusive, that is.
-Dave
Dave... ...but, but, BOR
August 3, 2009 - 18:12 ET by bigtimerDave...
...but, but, BOR thinks he is the only person on the planet at times.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,
August 3, 2009 - 18:23 ET by R D HelmLOl-He may very well just be on HIS planet.
-Dave
bt and Dave,Why, he's
August 3, 2009 - 19:08 ET by Chris Normanbt and Dave,
With the self righteous hot air he generates in just one hour of his show, O'Reilly can heat an aircraft hangar in Antartica until it's comfortable enough for him to stuff his ego into it.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Global Warming! Btw...he
August 3, 2009 - 19:13 ET by bigtimerGlobal Warming!
Btw...he just got done releasing a bunch of that hot air regarding this issue.
I'm so tired of his pomposity.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hhmm BOR
August 3, 2009 - 19:54 ET by general companyDid not state he has seen the BC, he said he believes that Obama was born "somewhere" in Hawaii, suggesting the available (birth announcement and Certificate of live birth) info is fine by him. BTW that and .50 will get you a cup of coffee.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
B.O.R.'s backed off from
August 3, 2009 - 20:47 ET by RR GOPB.O.R.'s backed off from presenting the COLB as the actual birth certificate. Now he's at least admitting that he doesn't know where in Hawaii BHO was (supposedly) born-oh, and he doesn't care now. Asking too much for him to reverse his stance on this completely.
I couldn't believe (well, yes actually I suppose I could) it in his talking points memo where he was chastising the Republicans over the birth certificate rather than presenting their "new programs"...!
Uh, BOR...only Dems and RINOs talk about "new programs".
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
If this whole birth thing is
August 3, 2009 - 18:15 ET by ParalegalGoddessIf this whole birth thing is such nonsense, then why does Chrissy spend so much time talking abou it?
PlG... Precisely. Doubli
August 3, 2009 - 18:21 ET by bigtimerPlG...
Precisely.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
What about Huff Po?
August 3, 2009 - 18:31 ET by slickwillie2001I find it odd that Chrissie Matthews didn't also bring up the Huffington Post article that suggested the President should show us his Birth Certificate. I wonder why that is? Could it be that he doesn't read the Puff Ho? Too right-wing for him?
The Only Thing Weirder Than The Birthers...: http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[q] I realize there are some faith-based Obama supporters who believe without seeing, but the rest of us in the reality-based world are starting to get that strange feeling we got when Mark Sanford tried to convince us that he was away from his family on Father's Day, hiking the Appalachian trail in order to clear his head and write a book. [endq]
MATTHEWS: Gene is all this
August 3, 2009 - 19:02 ET by TN MomMATTHEWS: Gene is all this dangerous?
Dangerous? Wow. Such a big word for a coward like MSNBC's Matthews.
Dangerous?
1. Justice Dept dropping ALL charges against the Black Panthers for voter itimidation.
2. DHS calling Vets Terrorist.
3. Obama administration firing Inspector Generals.
4. Scare Force One buzzing NYC.
5. Obama labeling our nation's police as racial proflilers.
6. Obama moving Gitmo terrorist to Kansas.
7. ACORN terrorizing AIG neighborhoods.
@TN Mom:
August 4, 2009 - 13:27 ET by j. frank wilsonRegarding the folks you call "Black Panthers," what evidence do you have that is who those people were? Because of the way they dressed? If drug thugs dress up as Mexican cops, do that mean they are real policemen?
And when did the DHS call Vets "Terrorist?"
>>>JFW
August 4, 2009 - 13:49 ET by BKeyserEvidence of the Black Panthers? Well, techincally they are the "New Black Panthers" but that's nit-picking. As for evidence, how about their website which lists in the first slot under their "What's New" column at the top right, "US Dept. of Justice dismisses "Philly Voter Intimidation" Fed lawsuit".
Are there real policemen in Mexico?
DHS's Janet Reno Napolitano? Really? You missed this one?
Hey BK: I just wasted my time, too!
August 4, 2009 - 13:50 ET by SickofLibsHey BK: I just wasted my time, too!
>>>Sickolibs
August 4, 2009 - 13:52 ET by BKeyserAh well, I do get a little bit of pleasure tearing the fools down, even if they don't read the response!
@BKeyser:
August 5, 2009 - 19:36 ET by j. frank wilsonThank you for the New BP links. That was news to me, and I appreciate it. Last I'd read the individuals in question were dressed as BP's. Now I have new information (just as I requested).
As for DHS - fact remains it never called Vets terrorists.
Ha ha, good one Frank!
August 4, 2009 - 13:49 ET by SickofLibsWhat evidence that these goons were [New] Black Panthers?
Umm, lemme see: how about the fact that the organization acknowledges that these goons are members of the NBPP on their own website? Or how about the the fact that the DOJ named the organization by name in the case?
And yes, New is the key word. The original Black Panthers no longer exist.
August 3, 2009 - 19:03 ET by jessieHNo matter what the so called "reporters" say, where is the proof that obama is qualified to be president? All the man has to do is release his documents. I don't think he can. If he is NOT a citizen of this country, then he, and everyone who said he was, is guilty of TREASON in this country, including the MSM who back him. Patriot & Proud!
Odd
August 3, 2009 - 19:14 ET by ThoreauI don't know of any Republicans that care about the Constitution unless they're actually Libertarians. And there are what, 2-3 of those and they're in Congress. I'm pretty sure the Republicans have no part in this.
I know alot of Conservative's/Constitutionalists/Libertarians that bring up the lack of a long form birth certificate or college records, or anything linking him to his past. But that's just because they know how to read. Silly bastards.
Not impressed
August 3, 2009 - 21:22 ET by UnsaneIn my experience, Libertarians SAY they care about the Constitution but have little clue about how it works. (For instance, they seem to think the military has 535 CinCs instead of just one. For starters.)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Yall argue the fact,
August 3, 2009 - 19:18 ET by oldmanateeI'll just do like the MSM does and pull an out of context quote and run for the hills with it...
"... and I think it, it's this dark undercurrent in America."
There they go again, trying to bring race into it.
I am not a "birther" but
August 3, 2009 - 19:29 ET by dark_dsI am not a "birther" but I have always wanted Obama's academic records opened......there is no legitimate reason that "We the People" cannot see his records......I would feel the same about any President ...by using logic there must be something damaging to him...the possibilites are endless .... course maybe there isnt anything .... and if that is the case then open them up oh Great Transparent One
_______ Him and the Unicorn he rode in on
Well I'm a Passportist, just wanna see the ' 81 Pakistan stamp
August 4, 2009 - 14:51 ET by upcountrywaterSure the American travel gang said it was a bad idea to travel to Pakistan in '81...the next sentence is way over frankies head.
Pakistan had a No Jew, Christian and American BAN on entry to their country.
I know I know, the Joker Fly Czar sez we are NOT a Christian Country any more...
Reagan VS Liberalism
No one cares
August 3, 2009 - 20:35 ET by Joe CamelNo one cares about Obama's birth certificate that I know. They all care about everything else he has done/is doing. Buyers remorse is an understatement from those folks as well. Besides, can you begin to imagine the black outcry if anyone were to try to take down "their president" as I commonly hear all the time. It does not matter how corrupt black politicians are, it is always someone else's fault. See Conyers, Hastings, Jefferson(s), Sharpton, Jackson(s), Burris..I can't figure it. 2010 will be the start or the end of the future cleansing I hope..just not sure which it will be. By the way, I supported and would support Alan Keyes any day of the week..
Ooooh-seems like Ms. Taitz has struck a nerve!
August 3, 2009 - 20:50 ET by RR GOPGood. Keep piling it on, kick them while they're down and make sure they never get up again.
Or else they'll do it to us.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
RR... Maddow was just
August 3, 2009 - 20:58 ET by bigtimerRR...
Maddow was just making fun of her too.
Nothing like their agenda on msnbc.
Gets old.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
If Orly Taitz was one of
August 3, 2009 - 21:09 ET by RR GOPIf Orly Taitz was one of "them" they'd love her because she comes across as "different" and quirky.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
RR... You hit the nail
August 3, 2009 - 21:15 ET by bigtimerRR...
You hit the nail dead on the head.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
tired of liberal
August 3, 2009 - 22:11 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
FINEMAN: That's very much a part of the American mentality. And by the way Gene is right about the long term demographics obviously but Republican strategists aren't looking at the long term demographics. They're looking at the 2010 elections. And these are low turnout, midterm elections, not the presidential election. In low turnout elections those people who are highly motivated are the ones who show up.
The continuing birther issue is not going away. A friend of mine who voted for Obama asked me today while at the pool with our kids why I thought he is hiding his birth certificate? I told her I don't know hee hee. She went on to complain about the healthcare plans, job losses, deficits and Gates incident. When she said there are too many Democrats in Washington I almost fell out of my beach chair. This is a lifelong Dem I talking about who didn't speak to me for a week when I mentioned I was voting for McCain. If this administration has managed to anger this Dem Fineman should be wondering if it isn't the Dems who should be worried about demographics.
The rage meter has been pegged for 5 long years.
August 4, 2009 - 05:23 ET by JWFO'DONNELL: Yes I think I do. There is a sense that there are forces out there that are doing harm to this country and so people are looking for a way to de-legitimize GEORGE W BUSH!
So we have a bunch of people claiming that the President is not validly elected and people in the MSM and internet and party are giving them a voice. THIS IS THE 2000 ELECTION.
Yes. Let's talk about doing harm to the country. Saying our President lied to get us into a war. Saying our President broke our laws. Saying our President broke international law. Saying our President belongs in jail. Saying our President ignored the constitution. Saying our President made the world hate us. Saying our President hates black people. Saying our President tortured. Saying our President ignored evidence that terrorist were planning on mass murder. Saying our President hyped up evidence of WMD's when it was a small part of the reasoning for going in to Iraq. Then spending 3 years whining because we did not find WMD's. Blaming our President for a natural disaster that people had 5 days to prepare for. Saying our President exploded the deficits and broke the economy.
O'DONNELL: -in America. And the thing that concerns me is that rather than focusing on things that unite us, that people are concentrating on things that divide us.
And who was right out there in front with cameras on the Plame liars, and that nut camping out in front of Bush's ranch, and every single time 4 nuts got together with signs and walked down the sidewalk, and the nuts with the pink t-shirts, and every hollywood nut that thinks fire won't melt steel. How about the idiot who gave these people voices every single night with his Sir Sir Sir rants.
And what about the constant lending of support to our enemies by keeping a few pictures of naked terrorists in the news, exposing our national secrets, and the whining about Gitmo, and the whining about trials in Gitmo, and the whining about treatment of prisoners in Gitmo. And what about the MSM and members of Congress calling our soldiers terrorists, and Nazi's, and mercenaries, and murderers.
MATTHEWS: This guy is an American like us. Stop the talk.
Yes. George W Bush was an American like us, an American tasked with protecting this country.
So what do we have here. Some people want to peak at the Presidents records. And other people are calling him a racist based upon his racist remark and history of hanging out with racists.
Cry me a river. Obama has it easy on the talk.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Chris Matthews has a
August 4, 2009 - 08:08 ET by PeskyDaneChris Matthews has a syndicated show?
Why do we care
August 4, 2009 - 08:17 ET by sam12663about MSNBC? This is the most irrelevant 'news' organization on television. They have no interest in reporting what is going on, it is all about staying the number 1 mouthpiece for this administration. They have no credible anchors, and their 'experts'and 'strategists' are nothing more than Obama suckasses. They are totally irrelevant.
President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to be a total fraud.
WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!
No Matter Reality, The Lies of the Left Continue Unabated
August 5, 2009 - 00:35 ET by OxybelesHow many honest citizens will it take for the members of the media and Democrat Senators and Congressman to realize that these are not organized protests by Republican Party hacks at these Town Halls, but everyday citizens who believe that the Obama Administration is acting haphazardly by trying to rush through legislation that Americans are deeply concerned about?
To dismiss the groundswell of protests is a grevious error. These politicans will be voted put of office for failing to accept reality.
It is very disheartening that the Democrat Party seemingly believes that passing legilation without even reading the bills is appropriate. Are the members so out of touch or elitist that when the honest, plain truth of individuals expressing a heartfelt difference of opinon that the politicians rule it out as hired mudslingers?
Understand, these fine Americans are not like the Democrat cohorts of ACORN or SEIU, which, perhaps, is the problem. Since the Democrat Party and its overseas Soros-like supporters utilize these Community Organizers and Organizations with impunity, that the Republican Party must be doing the same thing.
Naturally, that is a naive assumption. Nonetheless, Novemebr 2010 will be a clear awakening to the folly not to believe reality.
Whatever I say falls on deaf ears. Whatever I write is read by blind eyes.
Where is j frank wilson's purple heart?
August 6, 2009 - 00:05 ET by JWFStupid smacked j frank wilson in the head and left a bruise. That counts, right?
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service.
Hey j frank wilson, how does a man that never worked for the Department of Defense get a form from the Department of Defense?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Frankie? Private Bill frankie wilson? We needs us some schoolin'
August 6, 2009 - 01:03 ET by JWFj frank wilson: I specifically referred to his final DD-214. I waded through several of the links you provided. Certainly didn't see it.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
j frank wilson AKA Private Bill Wilson never served a day in the military. Where is his DD-214? Come on, they are passing them out like candy. Where is it?
Where is it? Come on! The Defense Department is passing out DD-214's to everyone that never actually worked for the Defense Department. That is what DD forms are for, right?
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
The collective stupid of j. frank wilson, military expert...
August 6, 2009 - 03:03 ET by JWF...in a leather bound six volume set.
The Bush Administration has been telling us for several years that Gitmo (in Cuba, of course) is not part of the US...
Really now j frank stupid, is that true?
Please see Shafiq Rasul, et. al., Petitioners, v. George W. Bush...Brief for the Respondents [first signature: Theodore B. Olson, who is now researching the other side for Sen. McCain] Nos. 03-334 and 03-343: --- and they are being detained outside of the sovereign territory of the United States.
Last time I checked, Gitmo was leased fromt the Cuban Government, we send a check every single year.
I don't believe the US military knows who many of the Gitmo detainees were and are because of the way they were acquired. By the time we got them many had been handed off several times. This, of course, is why we released quite a few - belatedly, of course, but on some level that is better than still keeping them.
Oh, is that why we released them. Gotcha. Stupid ran over j frank wilson with his car. Stupid realised what had happened. Backed up. And ran over j frank wilson again.
Clearly one the major issues with Gitmo is we don't know who is down there.
Yes, frankie. clearly. Don't have a clue now do we?
I believe The Art of War - war is messy, uncontrolled, expensive, and difficult to sustain over a long period of time.
Oh do enlighten us with your overwhelming stupid frankie, please.
I find it amusing that the Bush Administration made the claim that the Guantanamo Bay military base is not part of the United States.
Treaty of 1934
Sounds like it is leased land from the Cuban Government. What does it sound like to you j frank stupid? Don't answer. That was rhetorical. (j frank stupid will still prolly want to argue)
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
(1) http://www.autentico.org/oa09706.php
Really cool when the relatives visit.
August 6, 2009 - 03:00 ET by JWFj frank wilson: I specifically referred to his final DD-214. I waded through several of the links you provided. Certainly didn't see it.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
j frank wilson: Crazed birthiers continue to demand a document that doesn't exist (kinda like George Bush's final DD-214).
Say, private bill frank wilson j stupid, are animals eligible for those free DD forms that you can get even though you did not work for the DD? Cuz I got six dogs and it sure would be cool whipping out dd-214's on all of them when people visit. Just askin'.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
j frank wilson hung out a sign "Stupid - inquire within"
August 6, 2009 - 03:37 ET by JWFj frank wilson: I specifically referred to his final DD-214. I waded through several of the links you provided. Certainly didn't see it.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
j frank wilson: Crazed birthiers continue to demand a document that doesn't exist (kinda like George Bush's final DD-214).
I am lonely j frank stupid. I still wanna know.
How is it a man that never worked for the Defense Department can hide a form he never received? And if he did not receive so many forms, why is it only the final form that he did not receive so important?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
PS: I found the source of j frank stupid's military expertise.
j frank stupid - Didn't you see Patton?
j frank wilson has a ramp built in.
August 6, 2009 - 09:58 ET by JWFHe has roll on stupid. Makes it easier to load the stupid.
j frank wilson: I specifically referred to his final DD-214. I waded through several of the links you provided. Certainly didn't see it.
j frank wilson: How about George Bush's final DD-214? And other records of his military service
j frank wilson: Crazed birthiers continue to demand a document that doesn't exist (kinda like George Bush's final DD-214).
What about the boy scouts? Can they get one of those Defense Department forms for not actually serving in the Defense Department that George W Bush hid from all of us when he did not actually not receive one for not actually qualifying as he did not actually serve in one of the Defense Departments. Boys Scouts have not served in the Defense Department too.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
5...4....3...2...1...Blastoff to Stupid!
August 6, 2009 - 10:21 ET by JWFAnd j frank wilson blasts off to look for even more sources of stupid.
August 6, 2009 - 10:03 ET by j. frank wilson
If you've seen George Bush's final DD-214, please share it with us.
Your post references it - can we now see it?
Did anyone else here miss my posts stating that people that do not serve on active duty cannot get forms from the Department of Defense? Or is private bill frank wilson the only one with the dent from stupid in his skull?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Should I be flattered or enraged?
August 6, 2009 - 23:20 ET by JWFWe know the dried out moldy troll was here today. We know he saw that his 5 year old DD-214 argument was absolutely ripped to shreds, tossed on the floor, and then pooed on by me.
And yet the dried out moldy troll won't even admit he came here and tried to pass off 5 year old lies. He won't say "you know what guys, I am sorry, I was lied to, and I passed on those lies without even doing the most cursory check. It won't happen again."
Sometimes I feel I am wasting my time. You can guarantee he spent half the day trolling the internet trying to figure out some way he could square a circle, trying to prove in some circuitous way that his argument could hold the tiniest bit of logic. But he could not, so he did the typical troll maneuver, disappear rather than admit you are a liar.
Yes, I think I did waste my time. Because here at NewsBusters, liberal/troll/democrat are all interchangeable terms. They all come here to lie, then they all slink away like the little cowards they are when caught in the lie.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Day 2 and my butt is getting sore.
August 7, 2009 - 07:20 ET by JWFI have been sitting here patiently waiting for j frank coward to show his face and tell us all how a man the never served a day in the Defense Department can get a form from the Defense Department that lists how many days you worked for the Defense Department.
It is lonely being right.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Day 2 and my butt is getting sore
August 7, 2009 - 22:55 ET by shawn228"Day 2 and my butt is getting sore"
They have ointments for that ya know ;-)
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong