An overly eager Chris Matthews, on Wednesday night's "Hardball," actually raised the prospect of prosecuting George W. Bush and Dick Cheney over the CIA interrogation memos as he pressed Democratic Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "But how do we do it? Under what law do we go after them?" To which even the liberal Schultz initially balked, as she tried to rein in Matthews: "Well I think we need not to get ahead of ourselves Chris." However Schultz, after Matthews continued to push, relented and gave the MSNBC host a response more to his liking as she warned: "There is no one that is above the law in the United States of America."
Of course if Matthews really wanted to pursue all of those who approved of waterboarding that list would also have to include House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. According to a December 9, 2007 Washington Post story Pelosi along with other Democrats, in September 2002, were given "a virtual tour" of the "CIA's overseas detention sites," shown interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, "But on that day, no objections were raised."
The following exchange was aired on the April 22 edition of "Hardball":
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well if it turns out that those who drew the lines and said it was okay to use waterboarding and other coercive techniques, violated the law, and those people who did so include the Vice President and the President what do we do? You say we might consider prosecuting them. But how do we do it? Under what law do we go after them? Under international law? Under U.S. law what do we hit ‘em for? If we do it?
REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Well I think we need not to get ahead of ourselves Chris. I think we need to make sure that we are examining where, certainly the buck tops with the President and the Vice President. But did they, the question is did they specifically issue those orders or were they more general? I mean I think we're, we're, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves before we start talking about prosecuting the President and the Vice President. But we certainly need to examine who, and how and why the individuals in the Department of Justice ordered CIA interrogators to torture detainees that, that were detained after, after, after 9/11.
MATTHEWS: But in principle you have no problem with us looking at the whole potential criminality of the behavior of anyone here, in this regard?
SCHULTZ: There is no one that is above the law in the United States of America.
MATTHEWS: Okay thank you very much, U.S. Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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Political Correctness
April 23, 2009 - 09:13 ET by MillerTimeWarpis a progressive disease. What is with the word WAR that these bleeding-hearts dont understand ? Waterboarding to save 1000s, maybe millions of lives ? Bet they would change their tune if one of their children was taken and had their head cut off.
The one "detainee" was waterboarded over a 100 times. You'd think after the first 2 times, he would think to himself: "What ? Again ? What an inconvenience"
Good little Chrissy Dog
April 23, 2009 - 09:20 ET by PA ConservativeThat's a good boy. Sit Crissy. Roll over Chrissy. Good little Obama dog (I thought they got a Portuegese water dog). No, no, don't hump the president's leg...bad little Crissy.
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. Absolutely zero intellectual honesty. Blinded by his hatred for all things Right. No wonder his ratings are in the hopper...even his pals on the left have to roll their eyes at what comes out of this tool's mouth.
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That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends,
it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to
institute new government...
I bet Matthews is getting
April 23, 2009 - 09:21 ET by SeashellI bet Matthews is getting all "tingly" again at the thought of prosecuting Bush and Cheney. In fact, I bet the thought of this surpasses the tingle factor he has for Obama.
Many Need to be Prosecuted
April 23, 2009 - 09:38 ET by JustAlLet's start with the peanut who gave nuclear technology to N. Korea and gave away the Panama Canal (a valuable national resource). A nice follow up would be the slick one who gave satellite and super computer technology to the PRC boosting their ballistic missile program by decades.
Then let's hit the so called "journalists" who tipped the enemy off about our using sate phones to track them. Along with any others who gave aid and comfort.
And no list of aid and comfort givers is complete without adding His "O"lliness himself, who is working feverishly to put Al Quida back on their feet and back in the game by not only throwing away one of our best weapons against them but also threatening to prosecute the people who wielded it in our nation's defense.
Let's prosecute the whole damned lot of them.
Tax cheats
April 23, 2009 - 09:37 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHowever Schultz, after Matthews' continued to push, relented and gave
the MSNBC host a response more to his liking as she warned: "There is
no one that is above the law in the United States of America."
Ummm, what about all the tax cheats on Obama's cabinet? Are they not above the law?
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Matthews and Olbermann
April 23, 2009 - 09:40 ET by iveseenitallThese two, Matthews and Olbermann, ought to be locked up in an insane asylum for the uber-lefties. And they'll have plenty of company.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The absolute gall!
April 23, 2009 - 09:44 ET by Paul AtreidesMSNBC and CNN did nothing but claim that the Tea Party was promoted by Fox News and now we have Chris Matthews salivating over prosecuting Bush and Cheney.
George Orwell's Animal Farm
April 23, 2009 - 09:47 ET by Dan The Man 2George Orwell's Animal Farm has some good insights to this. All Animals are created equal but some are more equal than others. We need to understand what that says and what the whole book says about humans and human behavior.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
"But how do we do it?
April 23, 2009 - 09:51 ET by motherbelt"But how do we do it? Under what law do we go after them?" -Matthews
Translation: I want those guys to go to jail!!! Let's find a way to make it happen! There must be some law somewhere that they broke! Let's find it!
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
Tried to watch Softball with Chris Matthews
April 23, 2009 - 09:53 ET by FedUpEvenMoreI started yelling at the TV after watching about 10 minutes of this guy. A piece of crap in the toilet has more value than this schmuck.
You go ahead and try to
April 23, 2009 - 09:54 ET by dscottYou go ahead and try to prosecute those attorneys, guess what we will be doing???
http://www.politico....
Someone violated their fiduciary trust in the Bank of America - Merrill Lynch merger which then caused Bank of America to be fiancially impacted. Not only is the CEO of BofA going to be in trouble but Bernanke as well for conspiring to defraud the stock holders of BofA by withholding of materially important information concerning the merger. Where's the SEC???
All's fair in war...
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
dscott
April 23, 2009 - 23:35 ET by NorthCoasterLet's not forget the saga of Freddie Mac, Sallie Mae, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
CHRIS MATTHEWS IS AN ENEMY-CODDLING TRAITOR
April 23, 2009 - 09:55 ET by R D HelmIf this wussified candy ass cannot bring himself to support coercive interrogations that could very well save the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent Americans, then he isn't worth the toilet paper required to wipe his ass.
I am sick to death of these spineless, pink panty-wearing cowards like Matthews directly and indirectly giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a conflict that we did not ask for.
That used to be a crime in this country, one that could result in the execution of those who were found to be guilty of it.
Maybe it should be again.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
No one is above the law...
April 23, 2009 - 10:01 ET by Mike Sargent...Not even the rabid left.
Does the phrase "ex post facto" not mean anything to Matthews? Seriously, I'm not even close to a lawyer, and I know better than to pursue that.
Think of Miranda
April 23, 2009 - 10:08 ET by KC MulvilleMatthews, in the zeal of his political resentment, is stumbling over a philosophical distinction.
Of course not. The law rejects ex post facto actions, except under very unique circumstances, and none apply here.
Matthews' position is ridiculous. It claims that after the fact, the loser of a legal interpretation can be prosecuted for having a different opinion before the decision was made. Mind you, we're not talking about a decision from a legal authority that was already in place. This was a debate about an interpretation that had yet to be decided.
Liberals now frame the question with: "But torture was already illegal!" That's a dodge; the question was whether these techniques were torture in the first place. Now, you can huff and say, of course they were torture! ... but mere opinion doesn't matter. If there wasn't a law or authoritative interpretation in place at the time, you have nothing to prosecute with.
Matthews is just promoting political resentment, and trying to give it a veneer of legality. It's a shame the law doesn't allow a media idiot to be slapped.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
April 23, 2009 - 10:12 ET by BlondeIt is unsurprising that she wouldn't move in lockstep with Barry Obama in this regard.....Chrissy should have known better, but alas, he's too stupid to do his homework.
It is rather tedious, having to provide the background a so-called journalist should have done prior to an interview like this.
Debbie Wasserman Shchultz represents parts of the very blue Broward and Dade counties here in Florida. Hint for Chris...she was Hillary Clinton's Florida campaign chair, had he wanted someone to jump on his bandwagon with both feet and a band, he should have interviewed Robert Wexler (you know, D-Md), from Palm Beach, who was not only The One's Florida campaign chair, but has also been actively calling for Dick Cheney's head on a plate forever.
Furthermore, Debbie is mad at Obama....seems Broward County was cut out of the Stimulus hog trough. Oops.
OK Chrissy, carry on, now that I've done your show prep for you.
I hope he fails, too.
Does this moron really
April 23, 2009 - 10:29 ET by mattmDoes this moron really believe what he is saying or is he just continuing the defamation....?
I'd like to prosecute him for public indecency....er somp'n.
Yeah, we'll go after 'em Tingles
April 23, 2009 - 10:34 ET by SickofLibsAll of them.
Eventually, everything is going to come out on this re: who knew what and when, and Pelosi & Co will not be able to weasel out of this.
Her performance yesterday was Academy Award material.
He wants prosecution? Go for it, but only a complete idiot like Tingles could delude himself that the rest of these lying bastards are not also going to be included.
Unless he's fantasizing a "trial" presided over by Taliban.
I answered "They already are"
April 23, 2009 - 10:33 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarto the question posed in this article's title until I realized it read "prosecute, not "persecute".
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
How? Same way Cheney and Rove were prosecuted in Plame-Gate
April 23, 2009 - 10:56 ET by krendlerJust have a big show hearing. Waxman or Pelosi or Leahy can run it. Everyone can play dress up and avoid inconvenient facts (e.g., whatever you do, don't mention the name "Dick Armitage" for 6 hours straight) while churning out a steady stream of mellow-dramatic "I'm a victim of the evil Bush administration / How can this happen in America?" type gibberish.
Should be interesting to see how this prosecution works. They need to retroactively define what constitutes "torture", then prosecute based on that newly defined definition. And prosecute...uhhhh...who? Bush, Cheney, lawyers, the CIA, the entire U.S. Senate, the 10s of millions of Americans who fully support the use of a few pitchers of water dumped over a mass murderers face in order to avoid a second 911?
Sorry, Chris: Bush and Cheney are ph*cking heros for doing this. I'm sure you'd have preferred 10,000 dead in LA. If they'd allowed that to happen, you'd have a good argument for prosecution. As it stands, Chris, you and your ilk are a national disgrace.
How? Same way Cheney and Rove were prosecuted in Plame-Gate
April 23, 2009 - 10:58 ET by krendlerJust have a big show hearing. Waxman or Pelosi or Leahy can run it. Everyone can play dress up and avoid inconvenient facts (e.g., whatever you do, don't mention the name "Dick Armitage" for 6 hours straight) while churning out a steady stream of mellow-dramatic "I'm a victim of the evil Bush administration / How can this happen in America?" type gibberish.
Should be interesting to see how this prosecution works. They need to retroactively define what constitutes "torture", then prosecute based on that newly defined definition. And prosecute...uhhhh...who? Bush, Cheney, lawyers, the CIA, the entire U.S. Senate, the 10s of millions of Americans who fully support the use of a few pitchers of water dumped over a mass murderers face in order to avoid a second 911?
Sorry, Chris: Bush and Cheney are ph*cking heros for doing this. I'm sure you'd have preferred 10,000 dead in LA. If they'd allowed that to happen, you'd have a good argument for prosecution. As it stands, Chris, you and your ilk are a national disgrace.
NewsBusters: Please find a new IT group to run your site. The response time here is often (very often) terrible.
No way krendler
April 23, 2009 - 12:51 ET by general companyJust have a big show hearing. Waxman or Pelosi or Leahy can run it.
They will be testifying how much they new and how long they knew it. They will be asked what formal concerns they had and who they addressed with those concerns? They will be proven to be as culpable as anyone, they knew more then most of the Lawyers and other agents involved with this program.
Meanwhile our agents are afraid to scratch thier ass. The liberals are just begging for it. If we are attacked, Obama WILL be impeached!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
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Keep it up, Drooler...
April 23, 2009 - 11:28 ET by AgentAmericanhttp://www.wtopnews....
It was only a matter of time, but now Obama has just sewn the seeds for his downfall, which will be messy.
2010: A GOP Hill
I just hate that guy!
April 23, 2009 - 12:19 ET by BDelaneyChris Matthews could not possibly be more full of crap! To prosecute people who were doing there job that was coincidentally giving us information that may have saved our country is so bass ackwards! Should we have interrogated them with kittens, rainbows, and hope!? They are terrorists not our friends! What a moron!
Same way you prosecute the Democrats
April 23, 2009 - 12:27 ET by Joe BlogsFor corruption and tax evasion.
REMEMBER
April 23, 2009 - 12:27 ET by MillerTimeWarpNICK BERG
they must plan
April 23, 2009 - 12:36 ET by katainkentthey [Dems and their lapdogs] must plan on being in power a long, long time to be considering setting this kind of precedent.
I love to help the helpless but I'm not gonna help the clueless ~Dennis Miller
Isn't "hardball" a
April 23, 2009 - 14:57 ET by HockeyKidIsn't "hardball" a euphemism for an obscure homosexual practice?
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
→ Hockeykid
April 23, 2009 - 15:02 ET by Cool ArrowI think it's called T-balling.
Obama - A whole new dementian
Where's His Chin?
April 23, 2009 - 20:28 ET by rightwingidiotWhere's Matthew's chin?
Oh, there it is. I couldn't see it because Obeyme's balls were in the way.
Added reference to your post
April 23, 2009 - 15:22 ET by AtTheWaterCoolerLinked and quoted this article on Exposing Bias and Deception at NBC
attempted payback
April 23, 2009 - 17:08 ET by wizardjrThis is all about Beelzabubba nearly getting impeached. The libtards are still foaming at the mouth about it. They consider it a personal afront and want payback in the form of impeachment (too late now) or Federal indictment and conviction for [fill in the blank].
Welcome the the new Third World country - USSA.
Being that Nancy Pelosi sat
April 23, 2009 - 21:36 ET by ConservativeRexBeing that Nancy Pelosi sat in on 30 CIA intelligence debriefings in 2002 and uttered nary a word in protest to "harsh interrogation methods including waterboarding"....
"hit 'em for..." Such an
April 23, 2009 - 22:52 ET by RR GOP"hit 'em for..."
Such an asshole.
If it's in the cards that there's going to be another terrorist attack, please God show us justice and have the next ground zero be at a meeting of Communists and Libtards and not well-meaning people minding their own business...
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
RR... Ditto. Doubling down
April 23, 2009 - 22:55 ET by bigtimerRR...
Ditto.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I never watch this gasbag
April 24, 2009 - 06:33 ET by Andrew H.I never watch this gasbag because I do not seek that which causes me anger and frustration. There are enough things in life that already cause these and don't desire to add to them.
Best thing to do is watch his declining viewrship take him on to obscurity where he bleongs.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Motor Mouth Mathews
April 25, 2009 - 11:49 ET by ONTIMEIf Mathews and his ilk are so set on making an issue of legal decision for being the president, then we need to have a president who is legal. B.O.'s credentials are still MIA and the laws for being qualified are not being enforced by intent. There is much fraud afoot here and no way to satisfy the legal aspects.
Libs are such twits, they are always looking to blame everyone else for their screw-ups.