The Dick Cheney-obsessed Chris Matthews opened Tuesday's "Hardball," by taking umbrage with the former Vice President's criticism of Obama declassifying CIA interrogation memos, as the MSNBC host compared Cheney to "The Empire," in Star Wars and called him "The Bush administration's tail gunner, manning his burp gun with that same nasty look we recall from the war comics." Matthews went on to wonder if Cheney's outspokenness was a good thing for the GOP as he questioned, "If the Republican Party really wants to be branded right now as the party of tax cuts and torture?"
Matthews didn't waste any time getting to the Cheney bashing as seen in the following intro to the April 21 edition of "Hardball":
CHRIS MATTHEWS: The Empire Strikes Back! Let's play "Hardball!" Good evening, I'm Chris Matthews. Leading off tonight. Clash of civilizations. Two different views of the universe out there right now. That's what's at war in Washington today. The dark view of Dick Cheney that sees no shame in brutal interrogations. Indeed refuses to blame America for anything. That against the new view of Barack Obama that America does best in the world when it upholds a moral standard and admits past failings.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Who believes our government lost its moral bearings in pushing the moral envelope in our treatment of those prisoners. Two different views of the universe. And last night the old empire struck back as the former vice president, who refuses to leave Washington, took aim at the new values system.
(Clip of Dick Cheney)
MATTHEWS: So why doesn't Dick Cheney listen to his former boss and just keep quiet? Why's he acting like the Bush administration's tail gunner, manning his burp gun with that same nasty look we recall from the war comics?
Not long after that intro Matthews, in a segment with guest panelists Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post and Newsweek's Howard Fineman, depicted the GOP in stark terms:
MATTHEWS: I wonder Howard if the Republican Party really wants to be branded right now as the party of tax cuts and torture? I mean that's what they're selling. I mean tax cuts are always happy to be heard about, even if they're not possible. But the torture part - the image of, of a party that seems to have attached itself to this method, this difficult, hard to justify, sometimes, perhaps necessary, method of getting to the truth in, in urgent circumstances. Is it what you want to be known for?
HOWARD FINEMAN, NEWSWEEK: No, that's the short answer. Certainly not in those terms. And I agree with Gene [Robinson] I think Dick Cheney, this is a personal crusade in part. Don't forget the United Nations repertoire on torture and, and the, and the international treaty and the United States law and increasingly some of the things President Obama himself is saying and Eric Holder, the attorney general, are at least implying the possibility that Dick Cheney himself, as Vice President, has some kind of legal culpability here-
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
FINEMAN: -in national and international terms. So Cheney is trying to defend himself. As far as the politics of it, Chris, I think for some young people, for some post-9/11 kids who, you know, who've grown, grown up with Jack Bauer and in the days after 9/11 it may be a little bit of a closer question than you may think on the question of torture. But overall the idea that you're gonna defend these methods is, is a political loser for the Republican Party.
MATTHEWS: I just wonder where you draw the line? Because if waterboarding is okay, why not put the guy's head in a vice like they did in Casino. Why not just go all the way? If you really say, the end justifies the means, what means aren't justified? That's the problem with this argument.
Fineman went on to doubt the "credibility" of Cheney's claim that interrogation techniques helped thwart more 9/11 style attacks, even though, as reported by CNSNews.com, the CIA still stands by its 2005 memo stating an attack on Los Angeles was prevented due to information gained from the waterboarding of al-Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
FINEMAN: Look he doesn't have a whole lot of credibility Chris, given all the videotape that there is of the testimony he gave the American public about what we were gonna find, about what we knew, about what the rationale for the war in Iraq was, about a host of different things. Yes it's a dangerous world, Mr. Former Vice President, but you've got to prove it in specific ways. I'm wondering, I have to wonder what's actually in whatever CIA memos exist. If he could have gotten a hold of them to make his case, I think he would've started lickety-split to do it and the fact that he's only now saying he's gonna do it, makes me have to question, given his track record, what really did we gain from those things? And I think it's a very open question and his own history doesn't help his credibility on this.
MATTHEWS: Right and he used that same avuncular tone in selling the war in Iraq with bogus evidence.
Before closing the segment Matthews and Fineman challenged the "stupidity" of Cheney's "dark side," critique of Obama's performance at the Summit of the Americas:
MATTHEWS: Let's move on now to the broader charge. I opened the show by saying there is a battle of the universe going on here, Gene and Howard, and it's a battle of universes. The one universe is, "Let's be the good guys in the world and the world will rally to us." The other side, the darker side if you will, and Cheney calls it that, says, "No let's be the toughest guys on the block and people will respect us." Here's Cheney reminding us of the dark side, saying that our new president, Barack Obama, is just too darned weak. Here he is talking about the President's behavior this past weekend with Venezuela's Chavez....He doesn't mind being King Gringo as long as we're the boss. He doesn't mind what they call us, as long as we got the stick. Howard?
...
FINEMAN: But the point is that, that, that strength is defined in different ways. Stupidity is not strength. And there were, you know, you can give George Bush credit, if you want, for saying that there is such a thing as evil in the world, okay? And Dick Cheney said the same thing. But what they didn't understand and still don't is that, that's the beginning of the discussion, not the end of the discussion. If there is evil in the world you have to be shrewd about dealing with it. And not making enemies unnecessarily is not strong or smart. And what Obama is trying to do, is to try to see what's out there on the table. I mean Obama is examining the poker table, now, for the first time. He's sitting down at it, he's seeing who has what cards. I guarantee you he's gonna be a tough player but he's not gonna try to turn the table upside down before he starts.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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I don't think these two
April 21, 2009 - 18:31 ET by MidAmericaI don't think these two goof balls realize the civil war that would erupt if they try to go after the past administration. And don't they realize that eventually they will not own the Whitehouse and the other side can reach back and go after obama? Do they really want to take the country down this road?
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April 21, 2009 - 18:38 ET by Georgia Girl##
Hey Matthews! I got an idea!
April 21, 2009 - 20:03 ET by TailgunnerHow about you i-n-v-i-t-e Dick Cheney on your s-h-o-w??
That way you and your echo chamber would have to look him in the eye and call him a war criminal and liar and falsifier of 'bogus evidence'.
You do that and I'll have a little more respect for you...but right now you're just another chickensh*t liberal backstabber.
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Cheney has forgotten more
April 21, 2009 - 20:07 ET by GregECheney has forgotten more about foreign affairs and intelligence gathering than Chris could ever dream to even know.
And what he hasn't forgotten,
April 21, 2009 - 20:12 ET by JerAnd what he hasn't forgotten, he's shredded.
Jer
That's quite possibly true, Jer...
April 21, 2009 - 20:27 ET by Tailgunner...but I'll bet my paycheck (the one I'd be getting if I weren't disabled) that those shredders were already there in the VP office when Dick moved in....;)
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I think that's a safe bet, Tailgunner...
April 21, 2009 - 20:53 ET by JerI think that's a safe bet, Tailgunner...and they were probably still warm.
BTW...I'm with Bush/Cheney on the torture issue [with a couple of minor caveats].
Jer
Send a link to the info on
April 21, 2009 - 20:35 ET by GregESend a link to the info on that.
Meanwhile, Sandy Berger....
http://www.washingto...
I wasn't serious, Greg...
April 21, 2009 - 20:55 ET by JerI wasn't serious, Greg...see my preceding post.
Jer
Well Jer
April 21, 2009 - 20:46 ET by well99I always see the left(not in reference to you) raise hell over the treatment of terrorist.To bad they didnt put as much energy into what happened to these folks that really suffered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6517335.stm
http://www.nepalnews.net/story/466437
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019726.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/15/international/middleeast/15iraq.html?_r=1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6473359.stm
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/11/suicide_bombers_kill.php
well 99...see my preceding
April 21, 2009 - 20:57 ET by Jerwell 99...see my preceding posts. I'm probably at odds with most of my liberal bretheren on this one.
Jer
Good to hear Jer
April 21, 2009 - 21:17 ET by PopularTechNot that I suspect because you are a big fan of Dick Cheney but maybe because you are less concerned with "waterboarding" 3 known planners of terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of innocent American citizens and Servicemen as I am.
My biggest problem with all of this is the constant use of the word "torture" as if to describe some mafia like brutality of these terrorists when what was applied is the same techniques used on our own special operations military personnel who go through SERE training.
An interesting question to certain people so appalled by all of this is what the family members of the victims of those terrorist attacks would do to these terrorists if they could get their hands on them.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
Pop Tech...It's important
April 21, 2009 - 21:45 ET by JerOf course it's important--for reasons numerous and obvious--to maintain high standards of conduct. But when our national security is under a continuing threat from those who not only wish us harm but have already inflicted massive, unprecedented harm, I am more than willing to countenance a somewhat more 'flexible' view regarding interrogation techniques.
And the de minimis impact on civil liberties imposed by the Bush/Cheney administration absolutely pale in comparison to the actions of Lincoln and FDR for example.
Finally, if the victims of the terrorist attacks could ever get their hands on those who planned or perpetrated the murderous deeds, I am confident the latter would get a very quick lesson in what real terror is.
Jer
We lost FEWER people in Pearl Harbor....
April 21, 2009 - 22:42 ET by Tailgunner....and as a result the US under FDR and Truman and its allies incinerated hundreds of enemy cities and towns and millions of enemy civilians in deliberate terror raids.
(Chris Matthews was unavailable for comment on Democratic President Truman's decision to incinerate another half-million Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.)
So now we waterboard three lousy terrorist cockroaches to get information proven to have saved lives and the left thinks we're the &%#$% Spanish Inquisition.
Where were these idiots during History 101?
They know nothing of 'torture'.
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Like I said, TG... You're
April 21, 2009 - 22:42 ET by JerLike I said, TG...
You're preaching to the choir on this one.
Jer
SERE training? How do you
April 21, 2009 - 21:54 ET by CT PatriotSERE training? How do you know about SERE training?
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SERE
April 21, 2009 - 22:00 ET by Sergeant ROCKHow do you know about it?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Was this question aimed at
April 22, 2009 - 00:56 ET by CT PatriotWas this question aimed at that popular tech person or at me?
I saw G.I. Jane
April 21, 2009 - 22:08 ET by PopularTechHow else?
Waterboarding in "GI Jane" (Video)
You can become a military expert just by watching movies. I have a family friend who is an ex-Green Beret.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
Now that was funny! I
April 21, 2009 - 22:09 ET by CT PatriotNow that was funny! I have never seen the movie but I get thr reference!
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Your family friend do you
April 21, 2009 - 22:20 ET by CT PatriotYour family friend do you know what Group he belonged to? And when did he serve? Do you know?
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He lives in California Now
April 21, 2009 - 23:26 ET by PopularTechI live in NJ. Last time I saw him was last year. I believe he served in the 70/80s. I will find out.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
Nah, it's cool. If he
April 22, 2009 - 00:32 ET by CT PatriotNah, it's cool. If he served that long ago, it's a moot point to me now. Thanks for following up, though. I'm much obliged.
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Yeah...a Chairborne Ranger.
April 21, 2009 - 22:25 ET by TailgunnerNOLI PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Hey Jer
April 21, 2009 - 21:30 ET by well99I dont consider you left.There is a difference between a liberal and a leftist.That is why I had "not in reference to you".I dont believe in torture but waterboading isnt torture to me.Putting a bug in with them.Or any other of that stuff.It just irks me to no end when I see all this fuss about the terrorist yet women and kids can get blown up and little is made of it.Now if they forced them to listen to Olbermann or Begala I would consider that over the line.
well99...
April 21, 2009 - 21:51 ET by JerOmigod...being subjected to Olbermann and Begala? You're right, well99, we have to draw a line somewhere.
Jer
Better Yet . . .
April 21, 2009 - 20:44 ET by Junk Science SkepticHow about Matthews going hunting with Cheney?
A little birdshot might improve his silly-@$$ smirk.
JS... LOL...Great
April 21, 2009 - 20:51 ET by bigtimerJS...
LOL...Great Zinger!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Torture
April 21, 2009 - 18:44 ET by allanfPerhaps the lives the thousands of people whose lives were saved by these interrogation techniques are less important than Chrissie's moral scruples.
In a way I look forward
April 21, 2009 - 19:11 ET by general companyTo the show trials, the Bush Admin did nothing wrong. They can use the very same convoluted thought process against them. If nothing else it might slow down the Obama agenda. They wont get a conviction and if they do, the very next President will pardon them.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Show Trials
April 21, 2009 - 19:15 ET by allanfThe Obama Administration would get to cherry pick the judge, the Federal District and by extension the jury.
allanf... Yep...and that is
April 21, 2009 - 19:24 ET by bigtimerallanf...
Yep...and that is exactly what they plan to do.
In my opinion all of this is to the eneny within's own peril.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT
April 21, 2009 - 21:19 ET by general companyMark Levin said he will represent the very first one that gets indicted . They wont do it.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc.... With Holder at the
April 21, 2009 - 23:29 ET by bigtimergc....
With Holder at the wheel, at O's behest...I think you may be wrong.
Nevertheless...the damage will be done in more ways than one.
My biggest hope is this will hurt them immensely...the devil will be in the details.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Political Costs
April 22, 2009 - 07:26 ET by allanfObmaa is a calculating man. He probably realizes the political cost to him is not worth it. Of concern, but less so is the disruption of the orderly transition of government.
But don't deceive yourself. If there are indictments, there cancels fo acquital would be no greater than someone in a Stanlinist show trial.
OBAMA: KOOK OR KOOK PUPPET?
April 22, 2009 - 09:16 ET by reelman46OBAMA: KOOK OR KOOK PUPPET?
Remember
last summer when you heard rumblings about kook “hate America folks”
wanting Bush-Cheney on trial? Remember when you thought how dumb that
was after preventing another 9-11 for 7 years? Remember when you
thought Obama was “not that radical”?
Well, as I have posted a few times before, Obama is a radical
secular socialist reared as such who surrounded himself by choice with
same. He is a true believer that we can be a larger Cuba, that we can
be the first successful competitive secular socialist country…if we
just follow him, Reid and Pelosi to that fantasyland. The land where
the top powerful few have none of the burdens and all of the life they
had before but you and I don’t…that land. The land where America is the
shameful evil cause of the world’s problems while communists have a
model culture with great education and medical systems. That land. Are
you “connecting the dots” now or still in denial?
Obama is a smiling sneak who acts as a sort of front man like the
car sales manager who approves ALL sales but can hide or smile at you
as needed. Remember when Klinton told us “to ask Janet Reno about
Waco”? Did that tell you anything about Obama’s ploy to “let the AG
decide on prosecutions for interrogation techniques”? Are you
“connecting the dots” now or still in denial?
Now imagine if any previous President spent so much time trashing
the man he replaced? Apologizing for America and taking verbal abuse
with a smile from vicious dictators in the same room. Are you
“connecting the dots” now or still in denial?
Reagan could have had a field day with Jimmah (aka Misery Index)
Carter. Did he? No. Class and common sense are not part of the modern
democrat persona. They are angry unhappy hateful unethical political
street thugs…sort of a socialist mafia. Now its to remove the one
historical achievement of GWB, to soil it, to make it a sin to have
waterboarded ta few of the top beheaders to prevent future attacks. Its
what the socialist mafia does.
To anyone who thinks Obama is not a radical (clueless) secular
socialist…sit down and shut up…the jury has already rendered its
decision.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
What does Matthews have against Tax Cuts?
April 21, 2009 - 18:36 ET by PopularTechWhat does he mean not possible? It is ALWAYS possible, it just requires making the government SMALLER, REDUCING spending, FIRING worthless government workers and getting rid of irrelevant government programs. Tax cuts are ALWAYS possible.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
How much money would we
April 21, 2009 - 22:13 ET by CT PatriotHow much money would we save if we fired congress?
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Good Question
April 21, 2009 - 22:17 ET by PopularTechMy only concern is that we replace them with more realitically paid congressmen as an executive branch with no checks and balances makes Obama defacto king.
Obama: "Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates To Skyrocket"
..and we both know what
April 21, 2009 - 22:23 ET by CT Patriot..and we both know what happened th last time there was a King involved in the citizens of this country. Maybe having King Obama would get people to wake up and smell the coffee. Like, Holy Crap, how the hell did this happen?
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We might find out.
April 21, 2009 - 22:23 ET by TailgunnerThat could be Obama's next BS PR stunt on how to cut another hundred million from the budget.
Eliminating those time-consuming, expensive congressional elections could save quite a chunk of change, too.
Long live the King!
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If Matthews loves taxes so
April 22, 2009 - 07:36 ET by kgIf Matthews loves taxes so much why does he not tax himself 95%. It is perfectly acceptable to send in extra money. But as a good liberal he wants to tax your money, not his.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
We are turning into a 3rd World banana republic
April 21, 2009 - 18:41 ET by R D Helm...as they always go after their previous leaders.
Then again, just think of what we could nail Clinton and Carter for. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
I'm old fashioned. I believe torture leads to physical...
April 21, 2009 - 18:53 ET by jawebster1injury such as what happened to John McCain. Question for John McCain. If you could trade what happened to you for "Waterboarding", would you? If you say no, then as unhappy as I am with our current president, I am glad you lost, even though I voted for you in the General and I am glad you are now getting "primaried" for your Senate seat and I hope you lose. If you say yes, then unlike Perez Hilton, I say thanks for being honest. Jim Webster
Matthews and Fineman have
April 21, 2009 - 18:48 ET by Gat New YorkMatthews and Fineman have no male attributes.
I wonder what these Monday Morning QB's would say to the people who were forced to decide between jumping to their death or beinf incinerated on 9/11? "Sorry you have to die but we are a nation of principles."
The primary role of the federal government was to secure the safety of our citizens from foreign enemies.
Real men are hard to
April 21, 2009 - 19:35 ET by MidAmericaReal men are hard to find these days. The enemies we face play by one rule.... whatever it takes to win. It wasn't whimpy men that won two world wars and survived the depression. They would laugh at todays 'male' leading men. Here's a scene that depicts what real combat and how real men act. We have these types in our military now but the political class is a bunch of soft wussies.
John Wayne
And then there's obama's cabinet
beans
Matthews
April 21, 2009 - 18:50 ET by svh83"He doesn't mind being King Gringo as long as we're the boss. He doesn't mind what they call us, as long as we got the stick. Howard?"
Hey Chris, we are the boss. We do have the stick. Why so uncomfortable with that role?
Howard? Howard? You're mother's calling, and she says Newsweek is sinking fast. Better get home and wash your hands for dinner.
"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY
Gat
April 21, 2009 - 18:58 ET by svh83"Matthews and Fineman have no male attributes."
Thank you. These two are perfect examples of the feminization of the American man. In my opinion this phenomenon started with the likes of Phil Donohue and Alan Alda and has continued down through the years giving us the Frank Rich's and the Jonathan Alters and the two previously mentioned. Who are raising these "men"?
"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY
Whaddya mean they have no male attributes?
April 21, 2009 - 20:57 ET by GalvanicThey've got Rachel Maddow.
Well then, the Dem's are party of killing..
April 21, 2009 - 19:00 ET by Gary HallWell then, the Dem's are party of killing.. and a lot more....
The Dem's - party of killing people:
The Dem's on Gitmo:
Geneva Convention and captured terrorists:
Jan, 2002 interview on CNN), Obama's AG, Eric Holder, arguing that these captured terrorists, should not be labeled POW's, nor afforded protection of the Geneva Convention, was:
Dem's - the only ones officially on record that Saddam had nuclear weapons:
Dem's - the party that didn't care what they did to the captured terrorists, illegal - no problem:
Time for MoveOn.org and friends in our congress to move on, or to investigate their own family, first.
(;~/ gary
Time...
April 21, 2009 - 19:49 ET by rightwingidiotTimes changes everything with the Dems. Just like Obeyme's statements on anything. They all come with time limits.
Basically just a pack of lies.
Thanks for the history. It puts this in a whole new perspective.
Matthews has been going
April 21, 2009 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerMatthews has been going after the Bush administration especially Rove and Cheeeney as he loves to say ad nauseum now for so many years I don't listen or read anymore....I've had my fill of him and for the most part all of msnbc.
He will be getting his way with what Obama has done now, along with his team with all the congressional hearings and such that will play good on tv and have him, Olbie, Maddow all drooling to destroy all the fine work the men and women have done to protect us...all of them that take part in this are traitors, they are aiding and abetting the terrorists along with the other enemies within.
Personally, I hope he rots in hell..but hey, that's just me.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
we have employed so many means of torture - let's count:
April 21, 2009 - 21:40 ET by puredmashiewaterboarding
sleep deprivation
lima beans
the terrorists only know one torture method: beheading. i say we chalk it up to good old american ingenuity.
swing hard in case you hit it.
Well pure
April 21, 2009 - 22:14 ET by well99You wont see the left denouceing the terrorist methods.
http://newsbusters.org/node/13002
Matthews is slipping.
April 21, 2009 - 22:17 ET by TailgunnerAn entire segment trashing Cheney and Matthews failed to bring up Halliburton even once?
He'll have to do some serious catching up before he's invited to the next DC orgy.
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Yoohoo!! Chrissy!!!
April 21, 2009 - 20:12 ET by DoktorFrankenListening to you and Olbermann and Maddow and Garofolo is more torture than a days worth of waterboarding.
And I've been divorced so I know what torture is.
Meanwhile in the real world...
April 21, 2009 - 20:27 ET by c5thenAccording to TVNewser...
Chrissy and company along with Wolfie boy are getting their clocks cleaned. They can hiss and bellow and whine all they want as less and less of the American public are listening. Maybe because of their hissing and bellowing and whining?
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
www.loyaltoliberty.com
Never thought I would say this so soon
April 21, 2009 - 20:47 ET by shawn228.......but I would feel safer under George Bush. Without a doubt releasing those memos, puts us at risk.
He had my vote
Welcome to the club, Shawn!
April 21, 2009 - 20:54 ET by R D Helm:-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
→ That took guts Shawn
April 21, 2009 - 20:57 ET by Cool ArrowBut who looks better on a magazine cover? I think it's come down to that.
Obama - A whole new dementian
cover
April 21, 2009 - 22:59 ET by traderjamesWe all need to brace ourselves for that mag cover. It's gonna be insane !!!!!!!!!!!!! The phrase 'fawning over' will never be so true. As a personal aside, frankly, it disgusts me.
Shawn~
April 21, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Georgia GirlOK, guys, Shawn saying that really says a lot. Pay attention, you lefties out there!!!
* Shawn *
April 21, 2009 - 22:08 ET by AnotherFedUpOneBravo!
Yea Shawn Obama has made
April 22, 2009 - 09:33 ET by dark_dsYea Shawn Obama has made it pretty clear to those who can think logically that he is taking us down a road where we will be clearly made less safe ... our enemies are just biding thier time before proving just how unsafe we are.
_______ Him and the Unicorn he rode in on
Is GOP The Party of Tax Cuts and Torture?
April 21, 2009 - 20:52 ET by Junk Science SkepticIf not they ought to be. I've paid big money to a dentist to be put through far worse than waterboarding for far more time than it took any of these jihadi crybabies to dime out everybody including their mothers. Let's show 'em what real torture is, got any jumper cables handy?
Tax Cuts & Torture. That sounds like a slogan I could get behind. Darn sight better than Hope & Change.
Kind of like Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms -- should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
LMAO
April 21, 2009 - 22:56 ET by traderjames@ ATF convenience mart !!!!!!!!!!!! I'll have a bottle of Jim Beam, a pack of Marlboro Lights, and an AK 47 !
Hosting a show on one brain cell . . .
April 21, 2009 - 20:53 ET by GalvanicMATTHEWS: "I wonder Howard if the Republican Party really wants to be branded right now as the party of tax cuts and torture?"
Why not? The Democratic Party is already branded as the Party of Tax Cheats and Torts."
Note how Matthews links a positive subject like tax cuts, to a negative subject like torture. I wonder if he ever gave a tax cut back because he didn't think he was paying enough. I'm surprised that while he was still on Sesame Street learning things that start with the letter T, he didn't throw in Tea-bagging.
discomfort
April 21, 2009 - 20:57 ET by WesenMost Americans wouldn't think twice about applying what we've read to the knuckle draggers. Borak is after something, perhaps it is the Judge who signed off on all this.
The dark view of Dick
April 21, 2009 - 21:38 ET by CT PatriotThe dark view of Dick Cheney that sees no shame in brutal
interrogations. Indeed refuses to blame America for anything. That
against the new view of Barack Obama that America does best in the
world when it upholds a moral standard and admits past failings.
Dick Cheney refuses to blame America for anything.
Obama admits past failings.
So this is how the MSM spins this? Pathetic.
Who would you rather have in charge of this country: Strong leaders or wussy liberal doormats?
Yes, a rhetorical question.
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I was about to ask this
April 21, 2009 - 21:46 ET by RMRI was about to ask this question: How long could idiots like Chris Matthews and his comrades at MSNBC sustain this faux outrage before they become irrelevant? But thankfully, and right in the nick of time I realized that most of MSNBC's audience is of the same mind-set and are already irrelevant. So never mind.
Liberals need us. Without
April 21, 2009 - 21:50 ET by CT PatriotLiberals need us. Without us, who would keep them safe at night? Without us, who would provide them with food from a farm? Without us, who would stop the schoolyard bullies from beating their weenie asses?
The funny thing is, I don't need a liberal for anything. Nothing. Being self-sufficient, I lack for nothing that a liberal thinks they can provide me with. It's not like I need chicks who don't shave their legs or men who want to dress like women around me.
Unite. Prepare. Study. Worship. Survive.
No longer. I once served.
April 21, 2009 - 22:56 ET by NL207No longer. I once served. Never again. I will never serve Obama. Nor will I allow any of my children or their children to defend these liberals. Let them defend themselves.
That's the American
April 21, 2009 - 23:19 ET by JerThat's the American spirit. Thank God your children and grandchildren will be able to make their own decisions.
Jer
A prime example of that
April 21, 2009 - 23:55 ET by NL207A prime example of that which deserves no defence.
Obviously, you and Obama
April 22, 2009 - 00:46 ET by JerObviously, you and Obama both need to work on your "s" and
"c" usage. D-E-F-E-N-S-E Defence is what de neighbors build if you move next door.
Jer
Or NL207 is British. Don't
April 22, 2009 - 00:51 ET by CT PatriotOr NL207 is British. Don't the Brits spell defense with a "c"? Or is that the Canadians? Or both? Hm.
British,
April 22, 2009 - 01:11 ET by JerBritish, definitely...Canadians probably.
BTW...I'm normally not a spelling Nazi, but I make an exception in the case of NL. Despite repeated efforts to engage in cordial dialogues with him, I can't recall a single instance where he has failed to include some demeaning remark when addressing me.
Jer
Good morning Jer
April 22, 2009 - 01:21 ET by cocodrieOne of my wife's students wrote a short essay about De Fins around his property and how it protected his family.
Thanks for the laugh
God bless.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Hi coco...
April 22, 2009 - 01:37 ET by JerNice to hear from you, and always appreciate your passing along the Lord's blessings.
Jer
Jer
April 22, 2009 - 01:46 ET by cocodrieEither you haven't been as liberal sounding lately or I've changed.
Maybe that old song is right, "I've grown accustomed to your face"
See you later, I have to work tomorrow and start at 7:00.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Despite repeated efforts to
April 22, 2009 - 09:19 ET by CT PatriotDespite repeated efforts to engage in cordial dialogues with him, I
can't recall a single instance where he has failed to include some
demeaning remark when addressing me.
Jer, yeah, I can relate. That has happened to me a coupe of times, unfortunately. Ah well. whatcanyado?
I am glad you didn't take my posts here as being some kind of ridiculous attack on you. Civility is always refeshing.
Yes Chris
April 21, 2009 - 22:24 ET by DelsaI am a conservative Republican and I am in favor of TAX CUTS and TORTURE!!
Matthews
April 21, 2009 - 22:28 ET by VinncyGAnother GE talent. They don't search hard to fill their rating less cesspools of garbage presented night after night. Hey, when the only requirement is that your toe the Democratic line and say stupid things every night they have a lock on last place.
Libs are funny to watch aren't they? You never know exactly what stupid, embarrassing things may come out of their mouths.
cheney
April 21, 2009 - 22:52 ET by traderjamesThe beauty of it all is that Cheney will continue to speak his mind, in the logical, unemotional, straight-forward demeanor that he owns, all day long, and all the libs can do is wring their hands and attempt to spin what he says as extreme, etc. How can you silence a former V.P. who wants to weigh in? YOU CAN'T !!! And they HATE that !
In his Hannity interview, he specifically stated that he will not comment on the President, but only on his policies, many of which he finds, 'troubleing.' Is that not similar to what Rush said, that he does not want Obama to fail, but his policies MUST fail if capitalism is to be preserved?
The answer is a resounding YES to Chris Matthew's question.
April 21, 2009 - 23:33 ET by Rush FanThat's my opinion. I'm for tax cuts for those who pay taxes, and I'm unequivocally for torture (anything that experts (on the right) believe will be effective) for any terrorist who may possess vital information. Forget Enhanced Interrogation. I'm for Torture! We are at WAR! I want to WIN this WAR!
I don't give a damn how we are perceived by other countries. I don't give a damn how we are perceived by the United Nations! I don't give a damn how we are perceived by the ACLU and MoveOn.org! I don't give a damn how we are perceived by the leftist media! Finally, I don't give a damn how we are perceived by the Left!
I want to WIN this War on Terror! Whatever it takes!
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“Understand something about liberalism. They never stop until they get what they want, and when they get what they want, it's never enough. That's why it's a constant thing to have to oppose them. You can't join forces with them, you can't moderate them, you can't slow them down by joining them, you can't make them like you and have them change their agenda. They have to be stopped.” ~ Rush Limbaugh
RF... I feel the same
April 21, 2009 - 23:37 ET by bigtimerRF...
I feel the same way..you are not alone...millions of us do.
It is getting hard to take...it is beyond sad what is being done now...almost Vietnam all over again with congress and the msm/
Treasonous to me...my anger over what I have watched and knowing what is yet to come is beyond anything I can print here.
May God forgive them....I never will.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The release of the memo's relating to interrogations...
April 22, 2009 - 00:22 ET by JWF...works both ways.
We all now know EXACTLY what these people were subjected to. Nothing in the memos amount to torture by any LEGAL definition.
Matthews needs to drop the torture/brutal interrogations meme.
It is all out there for the world to see now.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos
One problem JW
April 22, 2009 - 01:02 ET by cocodrieOur beloved democrat liberal and the world's muslims see our techniques as torture.
They see beheadings, dismemberment, electric shock, starvation, and all other physical pain as legitimate interrogation methods when used against Americans and Israelites.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Begala vs. Ari
April 22, 2009 - 00:37 ET by bigtimerI have to close up shop...but if any of you get the chance..please catch Ari Fleisher and Paul Begala debating this issue on Anderson 360...I am quite sure there will be videos on CNN and elsewhere. It is well worth listening too...and I mean that...Ari is priceless and he isn't messing around either....
I tell you...this will come back to backfire the more this continues...plenty in congress signed off on all of this that saw all the intellegience...on the dem side of the aisle.
I wished Ari would run for some office...Prez suits me just fine...along with Bolton, Bachmann, Rush, Blackburn..
Night all.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Wonder why Ari does not appear on Fox...
April 22, 2009 - 02:43 ET by jawebster1more often. I never watch the other news channels so I don't get to see him except once in a blue moon. He should be on at least as regularly as Karl Rove, Dick Morris or Newt Gingrich. Jim Webster
I'll take the tax cuts..
April 22, 2009 - 02:47 ET by Army BratAnd leave the torture.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
NJ voters, listen up!
April 22, 2009 - 08:51 ET by billbNJ voters listen up! It's time to contact the FEC or NBC and demand equal time for other gubenetorial candidates running in New Jersey. Corzine appears weekly on the NBC family of networks CNBC,MSNBC and NBC. He appears unopposed. Crist and Lonegan better speak up!
Vice President Mr. Chenney obsessed by Mr. Matthews.
April 29, 2009 - 15:20 ET by Charles H. GarridoHello! Mr. Geoffrey Dickens your column Thanks..-Sorry Please again.! Mr. Dickens probably you those friends Executives from CBS/NBC/ABC/PBS tell me the truth, I really do not know from what Channels this "Blondy" Matthews "Hardball" .One more time trying to FIRED that STUPID, Ignorant, Maybe good this Blond Fellow go to the PRESS/News to the WHITE HOUSE. Thence he will probably "Open his Alligator Mouth an will overload his "HUMMINBIRD" Ass.- Finally now maybe he could get FIRED.
Thanks & Cooperation April 29/09.- 16:20 Hours
Charles H. Garrido, Miami Fla.-