Matthews: Obama's 'Pig' Not Sexist but Palin’s 'Community Organizer' is Racist

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Chris Matthews spent the entirety of Wednesday night's "Hardball," debunking the idea that Barack Obama was referring to Sarah Palin, when he made his "lipstick on a pig," remark as the MSNBC host questioned if it "insults...everyone's intelligence?" But didn't Matthews insult his viewers' intelligence, on Monday, when he accused Palin and Rudy Giuliani of using coded racist language when they joked about Obama's experience as a "community organizer?"

At the top of Wednesday's show, Matthews invited on Republican strategist John Feehry and Democratic strategist Jenny Backus to discuss the topic, and hit Feehry hard, as he admitted to Backus: "I’m doing your job," and dismissed the "lipstick" controversy: "This is like Seinfeld, this is about nothing."

But on Monday's show Matthews, similarly, tried to make a big deal out of "nothing," when he saw racism in Palin and Giuliani using the words, "community organizer":

MATTHEWS: Rudy Giuliani got the biggest giggle out of that. And then, of course, Sarah, Sarah Palin did. They're giggling over the community organizer role as if it's, has, it carries more freight than just a job you once had. Is this the new "welfare queen?" Is this a new symbol, that we're talking about here?...Do you it has an ethnic piece, an urban piece even?

The following exchanges occurred on the September 10, "Hardball":

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CHRIS MATTHEWS: You believe he was referring to Sarah Palin?

JOHN FEEHRY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well I think, I don't know

JENNY BACKUS: I, I just don't-

MATTHEWS: No, just a minute let's get, because if it's not. Just a minute, okay. [To Backus] I'm doing your job for a second here, just then you can take over. I'm just trying to get straight what we're talking about here because if John McCain isn't accusing his rival of calling his running mate a pig, then we shouldn't be talking about this. If he didn't, if he didn't call her but we're seeing a commercial that says, "Barack Obama on Sarah Palin," put out with the money of John McCain's campaign. So he's not endorsing his campaign ad. Yes or no? Is he endorsing that message or not?

FEEHRY: I have no idea I mean.

MATTHEWS: Well he is, we just saw it. He paid for it.

FEEHRY: Well, paid for it, listen.

MATTHEWS: Okay well then John McCain is saying that his opponent, Barack Obama, has called, in fact, his running mate a pig!

FEEHRY: No I think, I think that what-

MATTHEWS: It said, "Barack Obama on Sarah Palin," right there. I'm not gonna say it again. But you can respond, you can respond.

FEEHRY: I think what, what the issue-

MATTHEWS: The audience, by the way, is watching. They know what's being said in that commercial. We'll play it again. But I think it's enough for them, they've heard it.

FEEHRY: Well let me, let me just say that, I think that the, the fact of the matter is that you have to be very careful what you say in this campaign. I think everyone agrees you have to be careful. And I'd like to, frankly I would like to get back on, on the big issues.

MATTHEWS: No, no, no. You're saying, no, because you're not gonna get back because this is all over the place. Let's take a look at the number of times McCain used the phrase, "Lipstick on a pig," fairly recently.

FEEHRY: Sure.

MATTHEWS: In October of ‘07 he used it in terms of Hillary Clinton's health care plan. In February 1st, a couple of times, February 1st last year, he used it in terms of the Iraq war. John Boehner, you used to work with, one of the top Republicans, in fact he's the leader of the Republican Party in the House right now.

FEEHRY: Sure.

MATTHEWS: He used the phrase in April of this year. In April of ‘05 Senator John Kyl of Arizona used the same phrase. Rod Grams, the former senator from Minnesota used the same phrase. Rick Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania used the same phrase. John Ensign, who was just on the show recently, he used the phrase last year. This is a phrase commonly used by Republican politicians but you say when Barack Obama uses it he's talking about Governor Palin. I just want to know what's your standard of proof? If you're in a courtroom right now could you convict him of calling Governor Palin a pig?

FEEHRY: I couldn't, I wouldn't even try. I wouldn't even try.

MATTHEWS: Well then why are you suggesting that's what he meant?

FEEHRY: I didn't say, I didn't say that.

MATTHEWS: Want to run this commercial again?

FEEHRY: No what I said was that you have to be careful in this campaign and people inside the room thought-

MATTHEWS: What are you guys giving us etiquette rules? Let me tell you something! Let me just show this to you. This is Torie Clark, who's the press secretary for guess who? John McCain.

FEEHRY: Right.

MATTHEWS: She wrote how you use the phrase, "lipstick on a pig," in her book of that title.

FEEHRY: Right.

MATTHEWS: She's teaching people how to use the phrase and what it means. Here's what she says. "Spin has become increasingly vulnerable as information sources have proliferated. Spin is simply no longer viable, or put another way, you can't, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig." She's saying it's a standard usage phrase for cutting through spin. Exactly the way Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate used it. Your witness Jenny.

BACKUS: Well the other thing that I wanted-

MATTHEWS: I made my point which I think is the Republicans use this phrase relentlessly, all their leaders use it. John McCain uses it. His former press secretary wrote a book entitled, "Lipstick on a pig," explaining how to use it to cut through spin. John you're allowed to say "uncle" on this show. You're allowed to come on and say, "My party, in this case, is full of bunk." You're allowed to do that. I give you time to think about that. Your thoughts Jenny.

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MATTHEWS: This is like Seinfeld, this is about nothing.

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MATTHEWS: Coming up later on "Hardball," will women buy the McCain campaign's accusations that Barack Obama was making a sexist comment about Governor Palin? Or will they feel it insults their intelligence? By the way, perhaps everyone's intelligence. "Hardball," returns after this.

—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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John Feehry: "Well I

John Feehry: "Well I think... I don't know I have no idea...I mean Well, paid for it, listen... No I think, I think that what... I think what, what the issue...Sure... Sure...I couldn't, I wouldn't even try...I wouldn't even try...I didn't say, I didn't say that...Right...Right."

Way to go representing the GOP side's point of view, Mr. Feehry. You're a real ball of fire. Whew! No wonder Matthews has you on. Thanks.

McNotObama '08

That's the kind of

That's the kind of Republican they like: one who remains completely supine while you back the truck over him.  This is the liberals' idea of bipartisanship.  

Gee, that went well

Okay, who had the bright idea of sending Feehry on there? Surely there is somebody in the GOP that can give Matthews a tingly feeling in his head.

Whether or not He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Middle-Named called Palin a pig, people in his audience thought he did and responded favorably. Speaks badly of the Light Bringer for being so trite and cliche and the audience for having no substance.

JRob, you just gave me a thought.....

I don't know if it's been said before, but it struck me as comical thinking of Ohhbama as "the candidate formaly known as Hussain".

The Difference

Is that Obama was a community organizer.  And to the best of my knowledge Palin was never a pig.  Maybe that's another rumor they can start? 

Thomas Jefferson once said, 'We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.' And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying. - Ronald Reagan

The more important

The more important difference is that Obama did not call Palin a pig.  Allowing this nonsense to continue to metastasize in the mind of paranoid conservatives and suggestible swing-staters is incredibly irresponsible.  

Does anyone have any sort of response to Matthews' perfectly legitimate point that McCain himself has used the lipstick phrase?

Does this mean that any usage of that phrase from now on is going to be incorrectly inferred to refer to Palin.

What a joke.  I know Palin supporters are hellbent on insulating her from any scrutiny concerning her stunning moral hypocrisy, but when Obama is directly referencing McCain - and using a phrase that McCain himself has used - and you turn it into "He was mean to Palin", well, that needs to be called out.  

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

What "stunning moral hypocricy"?

You mean because her daughter got preggers?

I haven't a clue what you mean, Jason. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

double snort..

 

blonde --

There was supposed to be a point, somewhere in the midst of the liberat gobbledygook.  I have wiped so many liberats off the map, one unfortunate side effect was learning to translate what the likes of this "jason" contributed:

(paraphrasing)  "Our candidate, the pandering socialist and racist from Illinois, did not openly refer to Governor Palin as a "pig", but attempted to coin a phrase widely used to describe pigs wearing lipstick.  Of course, Governor Palin, who would mop the floor with the entire Democratic ticket and still have enough left to sweep the sidewalk, made a comical reference to the tenacity of "hockey moms".  We're talking two different species here.  Our candidate, the pandering socialist and racist from Illinois, is above this sort of campaign rhetoric, and only insults Americans directly.  He has no need to employ schoolyard metaphors.  Remember, running his campaign, in lieu of actually serving as a non-functional US Senator, has given our candidate, the pandering socialist and racist from Illinois, tremendous executive experience.  Why, didn't you people notice how seemlessly the platoon of smear merchants, employed by our candidate (the pandering socialist and racist from Illinois), arrived in Alaska, bribing what few drug or alcohol addicts they could find -- all begging for something that can be construed as "anti-Palin"?  Sheer managerial brilliance.  That's our candidate, the pandering socialist and racist from Illinois, and he'll be in your state, digging through the garbage, hoping to find something to prove just how racist and narrow minded you really are."

I hope that clears it up for you, blonde.  I know how you hate to miss out on legitimate discussion.

<snort> 

       

 

Thanks, spiderdan

I'm um, blonde, you know, and um, need an, um, translator from time to time. 

Like when in the midst of elitist left-wing, east-coast, pseudo-intellectuals. 

I can read and understand french, but liberal english is kind of beyond me at times.  So thanks again!

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde... You are just

Blonde...

You are just way too modest! As for me, I usually get tripped up on liberal intellect and logic.

Great News - Palin Has Liberals Worried

 

 

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»→ liberal intellect and logic

Clear, I can't even make sense of "liberal intellect and logic" as a concept.

But I was of the understanding science had figured out the reason for the lemming march.

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Spiderdan, are you for hire?

Or do you reply as a public service? Instead of getting into verbal nonsense with liberal/socialist posters here, what if a signal could be shown in the sky, a big spider similiar to the batman call sign and you can bring down upon him Truth, Justice and the American way ;)

I'm not sure what Obama

I'm not sure what Obama meant. However, as it has been pointed out in other places (including by me) Democrats long ago created this "finding racism or sexism in innocuous statements" mentality and using it as a political weapon. Now they squirm and protest when they are accused of sexism. I think your side is reaping what they have sown. Maybe not fair, but it wasn't when your side used it. How does that Maccacca shoe fit now that it's on the other foot?

 McNotObama '08

"McCain said it too!" Irrelevant

"Does anyone have any sort of response to Matthews' perfectly legitimate point that McCain himself has used the lipstick phrase?"

Yeah.  When McCain used it, 99% of Americans had never heard Sarah Palin tell that joke.  In this most recent incident, Obama knew, or should have known, that the word "lipstick" would evoke his listeners' memories of the joke and cause them to interpret it as a shot at Palin.  As mean spirited as many libs are these days, insulting Palin wouldn't cause even a twinge of remorse.

While we're at it, Obama and his surrogates have been playing the race card all along, and they're doing it now to distract from the candidate's umpteenth gaffe.  Phony outrage and trumped up controversy?  It's not coming from our side.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

I wish McCain did not run

I wish McCain did not run commercials about this though. It should be beneath him, let us do it. : ]

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Re: McCain Said It Too

Excellent point, nkviking75. No one seems to be calling attention to the fact that the "McCain said it too" examples so eagerly trotted out by the media occurred prior to Palin's much quoted line in her acceptance speech. That in itself makes a big difference in the context of what Obama said.

Personally, if Obama were to say 'I certainly didn't mean that and I'm sorry if anyone took it as a reference to Gov. Palin,' I'd likely cut him some slack. But since his rule of thumb has been to assume bad motives from the other side (e.g., "These guys love to throw rocks and hide their hand"), I see no reason why the same presumptions shouldn't apply to him. 

Oh, that's right--I forgot that the Oba-messiah is supposed to get a pass on everything, especially from his buddies Chris and Keith!

the "McCain said it too"

the "McCain said it too" examples so eagerly trotted out by the media occurred prior to Palin's much quoted line in her acceptance speech. That in itself makes a big difference in the context of what Obama said. 

No.  It does not.  Not in an ethical sense, at least.  Palin making a reference to lipstick (and comparing herself and many other women to a particularly vicious dog at the same time, no less) does not give her the exclusive rights to all metaphors involving cosmetics and foreclose others from using them - lame though they may be.  That is bullsh*t of the rankest kind.  Besides which, McCain used the phrase in actual, direct reference to HRC.  To make Obama's statement have anything to do with Palin, one has to do some serious contextual contortions.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Jeez Jason..no one made a

Jeez Jason..no one made a big deal out of McCain saying any of this to Hillary...if they had I am quite sure McCain would of immediately apologized....as he always has in the past.

Unlike brain-dead Obama who doesn't have a political clue in his body when it comes to being astute and getting something out of the way and out of the spot-light right away...

Nope, he is just smart as a jack-ass.

No offense to other jack-asses out there.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Jeez Jason..no one made a

Jeez Jason..no one made a big deal out of McCain saying any of this to Hillary

That's kinda my point, BT...

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Just because a Jack-Ass has big ears ...

doesn't mean he will listen to you.

Re; the "McCain said it too"

No.  It does not.  Not in an ethical sense, at least.

Um, speaking of "bullsh*t of the rankest kind," Jason, this and your hyperbole about "the exclusive rights to all metaphors involving cosmetics" clearly qualify. Context means something, and while Palin's convention speech line did not buy the "rights" to the lipstick trope, it certainly rented it for the next several days in the public mind. And bigtimer's remark to you about Obama's lack of astuteness (which you ignored to focus only on his first sentence) reinforces what was "kinda my point" on this, too.

Calling Palin a dog? A vicious dog??

(and comparing herself and many other women to a particularly vicious dog at the same time, no less)

Sorry, Jason, but there's no traction here. I've seen pitbulls; and I've seen hockey moms. And a pitbull is not a hockey mom. Pitbulls wouldn't stand a chance.

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Jason, the one thing that I

Jason, the one thing that I think you and I agree about is that Obama is a fantastic orator.  He is.  I don't agree with his ideology (me being a capitalist, loving America, and such), but I recognize his talent.  That being said, do you think an orator of his quality doesn't understand the nuance and deeper meaning of words?  Sure he does.  He knew exactly how close to the edge he could skate and still have plausable deniability.  Well, for most on the right, he skated right over the edge.  For his apologists, he wasn't saying what he was saying at all.  It's worth noting that many libs think he's flirting with disaster saying stuff like that.

You would gain a lot of credibility if you would just accept the obvious.  It was a veiled insult.  It accomplished what he intended it to (causing Republican's to come to her defense, which allowed him more airtime).

I also think the Republican's should have let it go.  Noted it, then let it go.  That's how grownups deal with school-yard insults.

 

“it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.” - Justice Antonin Scalia

Jason C between you and balboa

You amaze me.You go on about the conservatives.Here's your kind and gentle liberals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/piper-palin-photos-pictur_n_123781.html

You notice down the bottom they have pictures of all the kids.Isnt that special.The conservatives are taken on the adults unlike the libs who go after children.You have a right to your view but you want to talk about hypocrisy look at the libs.Scrutiny?You got all the msm sniffing for dirt.Making it up as they go along.You have these so called journalist getting info from hate sites trying to smear Palin.That is ok right.Personality she can tell all the msm to stick it where the sun dont shine.

Hey I think the

Hey I think the mean-spirited comments about the kid are awful, too. Don't lump me in with those idiots.

 

Balboa

I dont consider you and Jason in that class.The thing is this brewhaw about lipstick is with the adults.All this garbage that has been thrown at Palin and too many times it has been lies.Factcheck.org is non partisan and has debunked alot of it.People get angry so why should anybody give Obama slack when none has been show for Sara. 

Every time someone

links to the good ol' huffpo, I'm like a moth to the flame... I've never in my life seen such glittering jewels of complete incompetence, yet I go back again and again.

 Palin-McCain '08

"Does anyone have any sort

"Does anyone have any sort of response to Matthews' perfectly legitimate point that McCain himself has used the lipstick phrase?"

Yes. Did McCain make that comment after an opponent made a comment about putting on lipstick? No, I don't think so. Palin's comment implied that she's a pitbull wearing lipstick. Obama's follow-up implied that no, you aren't a pitbull, you're a pig.

But since you're going with the "moral hypocrisy" argument, I'm guessing that's a little too complex for you.

That assessment is absurd

That assessment is absurd to the point of being obscene.  Because Sarah Palin uses a stupid metaphor, the use of an equally stupid but slightly different and highly-cliche metaphor that also happens to make reference to a cosmetic item is now off-limits.  Utterly ridiculous.  Palin's supporters, most of whom two weeks ago thought that "sexism" was a Democratic mystification are suddenly breaking it out as a catch-all defense of the most benign possible comment.  

If McCain can use the exact same phrase Obama used in reference to Hillary's healthcare plan and not be referring to Hillary, then Obama can use that phrase - without Palin even having anything to do with the context - and not be pilloried for it.  Well, one would sort of think... 

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

The assessment maybe

The assessment maybe absurd, but those folks behind him certainly had their own ideas about what he was getting at? This is one of the reasons Obama should not be POTUS, he is too thick. 

I am sitting here thinking when the last time the media and the Dems ever gave a Rupub the benifit of the doubt for something like this??? Please remind us.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

The folks behind him? 

The folks behind him?  Come on.  Is it not remotely possible that they broke out into smiles because he was about to zing McCain's politics?  Or maybe because they recognized their favorite recent political cartoon in his lead-in?  To say that they instantly made the connection and were grinning because their candidate was about to commit political suicide by calling Palin to a pig takes a lot of imagination.  Of course, the political suicide turned out to be accurate, but only because so many swing-voters are dolts who will be swayed by all this nonsense.  So much for the "liberal" mainstream media...just like the conservative blogs, they can't get enough of this non-story.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Your quote.....

"but only because so many swing-voters are dolts"

The typical lib/socialist view of others not holding thier beliefs.

Swing Dolts

Yeah, comments like that will have them eating out of your hand.  Jason is ready to slam the door on swing voters as soon as they take offense at one of Obama's many gaffes.

Hey Jason, be sure you call them dolts before Obama has a chance to really evaluate the effect of his ill-conceived comment. 

So much for that chance to apologize.

BTW, did anybody win the "Where's Biden" game yesterday?  I swear they must've dumped him into a Betty Ford center for foot addiction.

Admitting maybe Obama should've picked Hillary was as close as I've seen him come to admitting he really has a problem.

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Cool, can you imagine if he

Cool, can you imagine if he tried to go back on it and pick Hillary now?  Can that even be done?  That would have to be the biggest presidential election blunder of all time.  Talk about looking pathetic.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

»→ Sure he can Jason

Just last week Obamanots were here in this blog predicting an Eagleton fate for Sarah Palin.

Eagleton was forced to drop out of the McGovern campaign after it was revealed he had undergone shock treatments.

If Joe Biden continues to flaccidly promote himself and Obama, desparate measures are in order.

Certainly Hillary would give the Obama camp some lift, unlike the replacement of Eagleton with Sargent Shriver, but it wouldn't likely be enough.

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No no, I don't think swing

No no, I don't think swing voters who go to Palin are dolts and those who go to Obama have seen the light or something.  I'm not really all that thrilled with B.O.'s platform.  I merely think it's doltish to allow this to be the circumstance on which one's swing 'hinges'.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

And if Obama used the "N"

And if Obama used the "N" word, that opens the door for McCain to use it as well?

 

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

OK, if he didn't use it in

OK, if he didn't use it in any way to reference Palin, can you show me an instance where this phrase was used before Palin was on the ticket?

Palin made her "lipstick" joke at the convention. The Obama camp decided to play off of her use of that word using an old metaphor. But using it drew the implication that Palin is a pig, which we all know is quite derrogatory toward a woman. Obama knew this was derrogatory, and was quite hesitant in his speech right before he delivered that line, almost has if he was not sure he wanted to use it.

Whether or not he meant Palin to be the pig, the implication is right there, clear as day. He should've known better, trusted his instincts and reigned the line in, but he didn't.

No two ways about it, it was a classless comment, and he can try to spin it any way he wants, but the damage is done.

I guess we'll see in November how much of a "non-issue" this really is. 

 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Indeed, I agree, he screwed

Indeed, I agree, he screwed himself.  He will lose.  But I think that that, at least in the context of this so-called gaffe, says a lot more about the shallowness and suggestibility of American swing-voters than it does Obama.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Jason ... attack politics

This is politics. Attacking Palin through her daughter. Obama's "pay-grade" comment or the lipstick comment.

Both sides are trying sway swing voters, and in some instances, convert voters. Remarks that are made to seem over the top can be used to convert voters.

I would suggest that if some Democrat women believe that Obama called Palin a pig, they will either choose not to vote or will vote for McCain/Palin; probably the latter because women are actually a very diligent voting group.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

I think the number of

I think the number of actual Democrat voters that Palin will steal away will be negligible.  But she will help McCain get a whole lot of independents.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Jason

You right about that.She will get alot of independants.I'll be damn if I would vote for someone who screw the people he was suppose to serve.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

 

Yay, we agree about

Yay, we agree about something.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

lol

I will mark this day on my calender.

99.....

Thanks for the link, it is the first time I've seen it. Gota go, my shoe is ringing.

I agree that there are far

I agree that there are far more substantive reasons to vote for or against these candidates. Their stances on many issues are so varied that it seems that people would be locked in already at this point, regardless of gaffes.

That's obviously not the case. So if it's coming down to who an undecided voter think is acting more presidential, Obama is not helping his cause with this gaffe. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

If you want to nit-pick

If you want to nit-pick about it, you're right, he didn't actually call Palin a pig...but he did say "if you put lipstick on a pig..." and the inference was made.

For you to accuse republicans of paranoia when your pals are in such a state of panic that they've resorted to even more outrageous invective and vitriol than usual is the height of duplicity.

We're not "hell bent on insulating her from any scrutiny" and there is no "moral hypocrisy" - talk about a joke, that's you all over!!!

The Obama campaign has air-dropped 35 muck-rakers into Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin, and they have found nothing whatsoever of the remotest consequence.  Their desperate attempt to discredit Palin is merely demonstrating their insane paranoia, and the depths to which they are willing to sink to attain the power they lust after.

Palin is pro-life and she is living it. If that's what leftist morons call hypocrisy, it's no wonder you so adamantly support a vaccuous and unqualified empty suit and a plagiarist over people who have actually accomplished things in life.

I can only conclude that you are either deluded, ignorant, deliberately deceptive, or are simply flame-throwing to get your jollies.  How sad.

Let me approach this a

Let me approach this a different way, Matt.  Last week, I was in a rather heated tete-a-tete with another NBer, whom eventually just wrote me off as a "typical liberal".  Another NBer with whom I have had many an argument but also some agreement, graciously came to my defense, saying that I am NOT a typical liberal.  The original person with whom I was arguing retorted that "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig."

Now, this was days before the Obama flap (which I guess just goes to show the weird pervasiveness of that lipstick/pig metaphor).  And even though I was unquestionably the target of it, I did not feel that I was being called a pig myself.  If he had said "JasonC is a pig" I would have taken it quite differently.  Now, in Obama's case, Palin was not even part of the conversation when he said it.  Claiming that the hockey mom thing is Palin's signature line and that therefore Obama was directly implicating her is weak beyond belief.  Should he have maybe reconsidered that line?  Yes, sure.  He should have known that Palin's uber-sensitive defenders would go crazy over it.  Politically, someone should have caught it.  But is he actually guilty of calling Palin bad names?  No.  To suggest so is ludicrous, and if you are going to say that he is, you are obligated to say McCain is guilty of calling HRC (via her healthcare plan) a pig as well.

"They seem to believe that high moral indignation offsets and indeed outweighs all deficiencies of punctuation, grammar, spelling, logic, and style.  In support of this notion there's only the entire culture." -R.R.

Given all this confusion on

Given all this confusion on the matter, I think "The One" should openly clarify if he meant it as an insult to Palin or not. Who knows, he might stumble through that and call her something worse (hopefully). OOps, just saw what he said on Litterman and it looks like he's trying to fit both of his feet in his mouth.

 

 

"...white folk's greed runs a world in need."  Barack Obama

Matthews:....Well? Feehry:

Matthews:....Well?

Feehry: Yes, I think he was referring to Gov Palin, and if he wasnt then he is just too stupid to realize that his speech writer was referring to Gov Palin.

Matthews: well... uhhh  (-crosstalk-)

Feehry:....and as far as the community organizer being racists? Pull your head out Chris! They are talking about it because its a JOKE that he is including community organizer as valid experience for POTUS!!!!

WOW!!!! now thats an interview panel!! (....as Feehry pulls out a Nerf bat and smacks Matthews upside the head)

       

Words that could "change" an election...

Feehry:....and as far as the community organizer being racists? Pull
your head out Chris! They are talking about it because its a JOKE that
he is including community organizer as valid experience for POTUS!!!!

 Ouch!  That's gotta hurt!

Nutball

CHRIS MATTHEWS: You believe he was referring to Sarah Palin?

I wonder if Matthews has seen this:

http://www.democrats...

Whoa

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Wait a minute here...

Are you saying that the Democrat Party, the people whom Obama represents this election, have a picture, and a "thread" on their own public website, that shows exactly what Obama was saying in his speech? Are you saying that it is utterly impossible for the Democrats and the MSM to deny his meaning based upon what the Democrat Party itself declared on August 30th on their own website, from their own member's blog?

Say it isn't so!

FYI MSM reading this -- I can guarantee you that more people then just I took a screenshot of the page. So taking it down now, won't help you demtards...

__________________________________________________________
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.

C'mon, just because they

C'mon, just because they used the headline "McCain's Selection of Palin is Lipstick on a Pig" - doesn't mean they were referring to Palin. Now how did you connect those dots?

That's ridiculous, crazy talk.

/sarc off.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Matthews/Obama

I'll give Matthews and Barry some credit---they're masters of "liberal" feigned outrage. Obama said it and the audience laughed like the group who laughed and cheered at "God Damn America". It's s'accuse/m'accuse. They do the dirty, then act all offended when you call them on it. "Liberals" are sneaks who never look in the mirror, afraid of what they'll see. Moreover, Obama knew exactly what he was saying, even if the words weren't his own. Everything the clown spouts is scripted, and he simply repeated what his masters wanted him to say. Then he acts so aggrieved when he's outed. But just watch him snicker with Letterman tonight. The boy is an incompetent puppet of George Soros and company.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Hardball?

DAMN - THAT CHRIS MATTHEWS GOES AFTER THE RED MEAT, DON'T HE?

WHY, HE'S A REGULAR COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WHEN IT COMES TO EXPOSING THE TRUTH!

BLEH.

Osama Bama on Letterman...

And how about this for yet another case of Osama Bama hoof-in-mouth disease?

http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/barack.obama.david.2.814491.html

So, Osama voted against Sarah Palin being a pig before he voted for her?  This empty-suit, left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do as I say, not as I do' liberal moron just doesn't get it, does he?

Isn't it fun watching the dimwit Dems imploding right now? His lordship is single-handedly sinking whatever is left of the S.S. Obamessiah! What a pathetic bunch of losers.

"The sun's not going down, the horizon's moving up!" - Firesign Theatre

 

Now if he would just quit

Now if he would just quit dribbling spittle when he talks he would be easier to watch too.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

Dear Demoted

It occurs to me that it is racist to suggest all community agitators are of one ethnicity Chris.

Bing!

ac,

I should have known it'd be you who would make the pertinent point. If someone had said "community organizer" to me pre-Obama, I would've pictured some old white hippie, in a denim work shirt, agitating the masses. Guess I'd be stereotyping, huh?

McNotObama '08

Chris, that assumes hippies

Chris, that assumes hippies are capable of doing anything more strenuous than lifting a joint to their lips.

I guess I'm stereotyping, too.

Right. After all, wasn't Lee

Right. After all, wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald a "community organizer"?

I suspect Obama fully knew

I suspect Obama fully knew what he was doing when he made the statement.  He and his party are both sexist and racist, but most of us already see that.  On the outside chance he didn't, it shows another serious lack of judgement on his part by not being aware of recent events and surrounding issues and the problems his words can create.  What kind of problems could this cause if he were to get elected and be in meetings with foreign leaders?  Or is this why he says he wouldn't go into meetings with any conditions? 

"You can put lipstick on a community organizer,

 ....but it doesn't make him presidential material." - Rush.

"You know, folks, if I were advising Sarah Palin, I'd have her wipe off her lipstick and say, 'There, now I'm just a pit bull.'" - Rush.

Just some pearl's of wisdom...

Ster.

Don't tell me Rush buys into

Don't tell me Rush buys into this dumb idea.

"Dumb" - Funny, that's how

"Dumb" - Funny, that's how we characterized the "offense" taken over George Allen's "Maccacca" comment...

McNotObama '08

As did I, CN. 

As did I, CN. 

This isn't about you

This isn't about you Balboa. It's about the same people who took "offense" at the Maccacca comment now squealing (no pun intended) over this accusation against one of their own. They created this pseudo-sensitivity over language - they just don't like it when it's turned against them. They forced a man out of office using "offense" as a weapon. 

McNotObama '08

So why would the right

So why would the right invoke the same pseudo-sensitivity when they know it's ridiculous?

Now, I'm guessing here...

I suppose they've learned from the bitter experience of being on the receiving end that it works and they might as well give it a try. Why, do you expect better from the GOP and less from the Democrats?

 

McNotObama '08

CN

Chris, I am not sure if Obama was referencing Sarah Palin or not with the lipstick joke, but without a doubt Allen was addressing the Indian fella.

Real life video games are cool

Oh, well then. The authority

Oh, well then. The authority has spoken.

McNotObama '08

Who was Biden referring to

Who was Biden referring to when he said: ""You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Oh, that's different.

Oh, that's different. Biden's a Democrat and now that he's running with Obama instead of against him, he couldn't possibly have made a racist type comment back then. Uh, he probably meant a Cleveland Indian or something equally innocent.

McNotObama '08

Excellent point HS... Why

Excellent point HS...

Why it's always okay when a 'D' says something the msm would go after if it was 'R' and run them out of office or get them to lose in the voting polls if possible...as they did with Allen...

Who was my first choice long ago here for President...

No, heck no, they name Biden VP...no prob.

...the PCness only applies if the msm says so.

Btw...what Biden said wasn't a big deal...neither should of what Allen said been a big deal...I still think he should of called for a recount...and looked at the legality of all who voted in each precint. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Neil Kinnock probably said

Neil Kinnock probably said it first, anyway.

I mean, come October, the McCain campaign is going to be able to use Biden's own words against him on a daily basis.

Who vetted Biden, anyway? This stuff was about as common knowledge as common knowledge gets

(He's the only politician I've ever actively protested... holding up a "Students Love Bork Not Biden" sign when he visited our college campus back during that brou-ha-ha. We were right there in the room, and he had no choice but to acknowledge our presence. Two weeks into my freshman year, and I got my picture in the paper.)

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

HS... Hey Bravo regarding

HS...

Hey Bravo regarding your protest against Biden ect...

...and you still keep on tickin'...keep up the good work!

The msm sure remains silent about his sons probs with the hedge-fund mess...of course they deserve their privacy dontcha' know....

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Yes, the College Republicans

Yes, the College Republicans were a wily lot.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Hero...U ROCK!!

GREAT POINT!!!

Ster.

 

Political Correctness...

   Kinda sux when it comes back to bite you in the a$$...ummm...ahhh...ehhhh Bal??? 

............................................................................................

American Soldier:
You don't frighten us, LIBERAL pig-dog! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person. I blow my nose on you, so-called OBAMA-king, you and your silly LIBERAL-kiniggets.

 

To piss you off, works

To piss you off, works wonderfuly dont it. This is what we put up with DAILY

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Ahh

Cant get it right?

Perfectly said Chris, but

Perfectly said Chris, but guess who just cant get it?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Thanks. Arguing with him can

Thanks. Arguing with him can be like trying to nail Jello to a wall.

McNotObama '08

I'm aware of the finger

I'm aware of the finger you're pointing at the media on this whole thing, but I've been talking about the people on this site who actually believe Obama was trying to insult Palin, which I think is ridiculous.

Why do you home in on one

Why do you home in on one or two people's opinions here? You never really say what you think about the larger question.

McNotObama '08

Why so tight? He is getting off easy

Actualy the biggest part of this whole story is that Obama has mirepresented McCain policies. He is not quite the Bush stepchild they pass him of to be. On the other hand, Obama sounds just like every Dem has for the last 15 yrs.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

CN

I don't think "community organizer" is code for "black." I didn't think Palin and co. were being racist.

I rarely agree with Matthews' overreactions. 

»→ They weren't bal

We agree on that.  And I think the "lipstick on a pig" remark was a perfectly legitimate comeback from Obama.

This nonsense about "I own this word, and you can't use it" is so 3rd grade.  McCain camp needs to come back with a good play on it.

Palin:  I will defer to our opponents' expertise concerning pigs.  Senators Obama and Biden have mastered the art of smuggling pork out of Washington. 

The public, I believe loves observing the art of verbal jujitsu.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

I'm sure the "lipstick" vs.

I'm sure the "lipstick" vs. "community" arguments help ratings. It would be nice if we could ignore the nonsense (on both sides, before everyone freaks out).

I can't remember, bal

I honestly can't remember, but wasn't "community organizer" a response to "mayor of a small town of less than 9000"? 

I asked this question a few days ago but forgot to bookmark it.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Probably was. It came off

Probably was. It came off sounding like "what kind of loser gets involved with his community?"

 

»→ Maybe

Well, since Matthews says you have to be black to be a community organizer, one can only conclude it is a position bestowed to mollify an ethnic group.

OK, that aside, Both comments were meant to downgrade the current position held by the other.  You'll remember Obama Camp's official statement after the Palin choice was both demeaning to Palin's position "former mayor of a small town" but worse they immediately implied the only Women's Issue out there is abortion.

I'm not a woman, but I've been living with the same one for 31 years, and I guarantee you this Liberal "Women = Abortion" doesn't play everywhere.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

NICE "SLAP" COOL!!!

I REMEMBER ROCKY & BULLWINKLE!!!

....yes i'm 41 years old.....

Ster.

John "Bluto" Blutarsky:
"Oh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto. We might get in trouble."Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me. I'm not gonna take this! Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer . . .

Eric "Otter" Stratton:
Dead. Bluto's right, psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons, that could take years, and cost millions of lives. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture, be done on somebody's part.

HEY BAL!!!!

SERIOUSLY!!!

I have read this site for months...before I finally registered to join. I have read the "mini-wars".   You start with a statement...get the ball rolling....THEN YOU ARE GONE.   WHY?

I check your time stamps....you are around...you just do not engage.... I AM NEW...LETS START A NEW : "STER-BALBOA" kinda fun-cats-and-dogs-living-together-total-anarcy...THING!!

I'M ALSO REGISTERED AT KOS!!!...easy guys...recon...recon...

WHAT DO YOU SAY???  BALBOA...YOU GOT ARGUMENTS...I CAN'T TYPE...WE ARE EVEN!!!

reply...add me to buddylist...BTW...just found out there is a budddylist here...

Ster.

ps. I would be honered to debate ANY LIBERAL on this site.

 

Was he trying to insult

Was he trying to insult Palin with that comment? Probably not. Did he? She would have to answer that, but I don't believe she's addressed it one way or another.

Maybe I'll go in the next room and tell my wife her outfit looks like lipstick on a pig, and see if she brushes it off as non-insulting.

Was Allen trying to insult anyone with his "macaca" comment? Probably not. Did he? I don't know if many people were genuinely offended. But it was powerful and effective political fodder.

If Allen exercised poor judgement that cost him an election, why should we expect any less of a result from Obama's use of words that can clearly be interpreted as an insult. Cost to be determined in November.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Um...

According to the Democrats' own website balboa, on August 30th, this statement has been making the rounds. You think that Obama's witless speech writers don't actually read their own party's website?

Here you go:

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cgsq

Don't give me this BS that he didn't know this existed, that it was a total accident... blah blah blah.

His comments were directed at Sarah Palin balboa, and you can't even begin to deny it faced with this evidence. So tell me... you can't tell me that you buy into the dumb idea that Obama didn't mean what he said against Palin.

__________________________________________________________
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.

<sigh>

Well, I am guessing now that balboa doesn't want to argue the point anymore faced with incontroversial evidence that the Democrat Party has been discussing lipstick on a pig in specific response to Palin since August 30th.

Damn even... it must suck to start off defending the comments as, "Oh jeez guys... it was an honest joke -- he didn't mean Palin," only to come and find out that it's obvious he did mean Palin.

__________________________________________________________
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.

OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!!

 I GOT MY FIRST REPLY FROM BAL!!!  HI BAL!!!

...ummm...is there a special "liberal ceremony" I have to go through to engage with the famous Bal???

...looking for GIMP SUIT...

OH....Olby getting ready for special Komment...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I want (DEMOCRAT VOTING BASE) rustlers, cutthroats, murders, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con-men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglars, ...

Welcome to the big leagues!

Welcome to the big leagues!  :) 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

?????????

?

"I will disrespect who ever I feel like because this is a free country"    poptart

That's a joke, son! --

That's a joke, son!

-- Foghorn Leghorn 

THANKS TOO ALL OF YOU!!!

 Hunter, BT, Chris...all of you!!!

I have been reading NEWSBUSTERS for months.  All of your insights and commentary have been second to none.

I hope I can contribute to this site .... one problem...I can't type fast enough to get my thoughts out.  I live for debate. I'm a news junkie...and I used to be a bartender before my "real job" as a PC Tech...that means SCARCASM IS JUST ANOTHER FREE SERVICE I OFFER.

  I will try to practice my typing so I can add to the forum!!!

 LIBERAL LOGIC:

King Arthur:
The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house martin or the plover seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land.

Soldier:
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Welcome TheSter. I'm sure

Welcome TheSter. I'm sure you'll do just fine. I have to go pick up my brother from the airport. Please take over for me. Thanks. :)

McNotObama '08

ummm....

...yeah... right...

Me take over for YOU?!?!

Putting pressure on the new guy huh?

WHERE'S BALBOA???  ... help me out Bal...

I need some "T-BALL" arguments to slam out of the park...WAITING.

Ster.

 

Reporter:
Well, who is your lord?

OBAMA
We don't have a lord.

Reporter :
What?

OBAMA:
I told you, we're an anarcho-syndicist commune, we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

 

I keep pitchin' 'em and you

I keep pitchin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em."

- Foghorn Leghorn follow-up quote

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Hunter... LOL... "Americ

Hunter...

LOL...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

You can put lipstick on a community organizer

And he'd still be a failure with a tissue paper thin resume. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

They've tried more than lipstick!

Blonde,

Like they can put a presidential looking seal in front of a community organizer and that still doesn't  make him good presidential material? Or a Capitol Inauguration-looking convention podium...

McNotObama '08

Or a "statesmanlike" speech in Berlin

Or a leather seat cover on a jet that says "President Obama".

Or a plane with an O-seal on the tail.

The arrogance of this man!

BTW...just saw his final BOR interview....the way he goes "uh, uh, uh" reminds me of a circus seal.   Throw the man a fish!  (Preferably a week old smelly one, that has been kissed by a lipsticked pig).

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

When George W Bush stammers,

When George W Bush stammers, they say it shows that he's stupid. When Barack Obama stammers, they say it shows that he's thoughtful. Strange, but after all that stammering from Obama, his words that follow don't sound that particularly profound - proving that good things don't necessarily come to those who wait. BTW, Did BOR have on a couple people after the segment for one of his patented "How did I do? Damn you, I was great!" sessions? I hate it when he does that. It's all about O'Reilly...

McNotObama '08

Too bad BOR didn't ask me...

He was pandering, pallish, and sucking up.

He let B. Hussein get away with a plethora of non-answers.

Plus the Dumbo's seal routine.

Pathetic, all the way around. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

You're a Kool-aid drinker!

You're a Kool-aid drinker! A Kool-aid drinker! See, he gets criticized by both sides, proving that he's "just right". At least, that's what he says... :) 

McNotObama '08

Chris...Why funny you

Chris...

Why funny you should ask...  

Of course he had on the two guests to tell him how great he was...it made me sick.

Jane Hall and Monica Crowley...and they kissed his rear...lipstick and all.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Arghhh! I knew he would! I

Arghhh! I knew he would! I just knew he would! He'll milk this for all it's worth (and then some) for the next couple of weeks.

It reminds me of the old SNL skit where Phil Hartman was Frank Sinatra and Victoria Principle and some other guy played Eydie Gorme and Steve Lawrence - his sidekick suck ups. If they didn't praise him, he'd threaten them and they'd end up saying, "You're the greatest, Frank. Yeah, you're the greatest". I laugh just thinking about that.

McNotObama '08

Chris...LOL... Btw...I

Chris...LOL...

Btw...I sure miss Phil Hartman, after he was murdered, SNL has never been the same for me.

Plus you just reminded me of that louse-bound Franken winning his party race in Minnesota.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

ummm...errr...uh.........ummm...

     I have a Rush 24/7 account.  One of the many funny clips he put together was just the ummm's, ahhh's, and stutters in a 40 minute speech.  IT CAME OUT TO 8 MINUTES...IN A 40 MINUTE SPEECH!!

I'm trying to find it for you.

Ster.

 

I...um...I-I love...uh, you know, that clip...

...but I could only listen for 5 minutes before I shut it down and declared to my Obamaniac brother via e-mail that his candidate was a blithering idiot.  No wonder the fool only got three questions from Rick Warren during the Saddleback forum--he wasted all of his alloted time hemming and hawing.

 Of course, if everything about my life and my personal views were carefully screened and run through focus groups before a script writer polished them up for me to say, I'd have trouble getting a full sentence out without uh/um/ah/oh/y'know-ing, too.

BOR pretty much caves in

BOR pretty much caves in when he has radical leftists on the show. It's a sort of Stockholm Syndrome, I suppose. Here he had Obama, a target rich opportunity for BOR to ask some good tough questions--the type of questions posed on this board routinely--and he blew it. Period. I rarely watch him, and now I know why.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

I think BOR did a pretty

I think BOR did a pretty good job considering Obama gave his only ~40 minuets. He forced him into several corners he hasent been in.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I wish BOR had hammered

I wish BOR had hammered Obama much harder though.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Makes you wonder why he

Makes you wonder why he didn't. 

It does. BOR is quirky and

It does. BOR is quirky and theatrical, but can ask tough questions when he wants. Didn't do enough if it here, though.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

BOR

O'Reilly did a great job considering Obama went into the interview intending to rope-a-dope his way around the issues. 

Those who watched knew when O'reilly had asked a question Obama wanted to avoid.

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Obama did avoid questions,

Obama did avoid questions, as if they were beneth him. BOR did try to pin him, but what can you get done in  40 min? He tried very hard to forced answers out of Obama, who else has? 

 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

And that's the crime. Obama

And that's the crime. Obama has slip-sided his way for far too long. I thought Obama's body language was very revealing. Nervous, eyes darting, hands waving around.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

I didn't see it. Was BOR

I didn't see it. Was BOR tough on Obama? It doesn't sound like he was.

Right bal

OReilly announced ahead of this that he wasn't going to play "gotcha"

His questions were good, his followups were good, Obama's answers were lame. 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

Bal...I respect you BIG TIME...but...

SERIOUSLY!!!

I have read this site for months...before I finally registered to join.

I have read the "mini-wars".   You start with a statement...get the ball rolling....THEN YOU ARE GONE.   WHY?

I check your time stamps....you are around...you just do not engage....

I AM NEW...LETS START A NEW : "STER-BALBOA" kinda fun-cats-and-dogs-living-together-total-anarcy...THING!!

I'M ALSO REGISTERED AT KOS!!!...easy guys...recon...recon...

WHAT DO YOU SAY??? 

BALBOA...YOU GOT ARGUMENTS...I CAN'T TYPE...WE ARE EVEN!!!

reply...add me to buddylist...BTW...just found out there is a budddylist here...

Ster.

ps. I would be honered to debate ANY LIBERAL on this site.

I love to engage as much as

I love to engage as much as the next person, but sometimes I have to get actual work done. :-)

Cool....but note Bal...

Have you been BANNED from this site before because of you views??

Making fun...we all do that...

BUT....does this site BAN YOU for your opinion??

 Sites that ban me or others for opinions = ??????

HERE WE GO BAL....

Ster.

Ster, you must not post any comments over at Kos.

Lol-I got blown out over there after just one comment.  :-)

-Dave.


RD... You were lucky. I

RD...

You were lucky. I tried to sign up 3 different times and they never did let me in. I just chalked it up to my good reputation at lib sites.

Great News - Palin Has Liberals Worried

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

CT....

I only hope i will live up to your greatness...

 WHY DID U GET BANNED?

YOU ARE THE MASTER...I AM THE GRASSHOPPER.

Ster.

R D...

I CAN PLAY POKER.

I'll get in there...BULL $HIT MY WAY IN.

....then....GET POSTAL.

Lets see what happens next.

Ster.

ps. IF I GET BANNED AT KOS...YET BAL DOES NOT GET BANNED HERE...WHAT DOES BAL HAVE TO SAY ABOUT "TOLLERANCE"?

 

Kent "Flounder" Dorfman:
Excuse me, sir. Is this the Delta House?

John "Bluto" Blutarsky:
Sure, come on in.

 

Ster, I was just surprised to learn that Bal has a job.

LOL-Jezz kiddin' Bal.  :-)

-Dave.


"...as in, Stockholm,

"...as in, Stockholm, Finland." 

name the movie... 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Hmm, could be....Die Hard

Hmm, could be....Die Hard maybe? The Patty Heart Story? Term comes from (I think) the 1973 robbery of the Kreditbanken in Stockholm when the hostages actually resisted rescue. Falsely called Helinski Syndrome, sometimes.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Stockholm

Did Finland conquer Sweden? 

Rocky & Bullwinkle '08

"Finland won the men’s

"Finland won the men’s match against Sweden, 215 to 193pts, while Sweden took its
eighth consecutive victory on the women’s side, 209.5 – 197.5pts." It was sorta split.

;+}

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Actually, you bring up a

Actually, you bring up a good point... they switched it up in Die Hard and called it the Helsinki Syndrome.

Gail Wallens: Dr. Hasseldorf, what can we expect in the next few hours?
Dr. Hasseldorf: Well, Gail, by this time the hostages will be going through the early stages of the Helsinki Syndrome.
Harvey Johnson: As in Helsinki, Sweden.
Dr. Hasseldorf: Finland.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Yea, I had a vague memory

Yea, I had a vague memory of that switch in Die Hard, weird mind that I have. I've heard it misused in other settings.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Yup, in one fell swoop they

Yup, in one fell swoop they jab at know-it-all experts and the clueless media that use them. "Die Hard" is subtle satire disguised as a great action flick.

It's one of those dozen or so movies that whenever it's on TV and your flipping through the dial, you just have to stop and watch at least for a little while. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

I saw the Obamakin sexist

I saw the Obamakin sexist pig Matthews show today, I posted elsewhere about it..short and to the point, if I was Feehry I would of got up and walked out.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

What Fehry should have said:

MATTHEWS: No, just a minute let's get, because if it's not. Just a minute, okay. [To Backus] I'm doing your job for a second here, just then you can take over. I'm just trying to get straight what we're talking about here because if John McCain isn't accusing his rival of calling his running mate a pig, then we shouldn't be talking about this. If he didn't, if he didn't call her but we're seeing a commercial that says, "Barack Obama on Sarah Palin," put out with the money of John McCain's campaign. So he's not endorsing his campaign ad. Yes or no? Is he endorsing that message or not?

FEEHRY: Chris, all this talk about who paid for what never fed a child or put shoes on a homeless man. [Stage Direction: After speaking, chew on corner of lower lip.] 

Drive them insane with their own non-answers.  At least we can take that device away from them.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

All things considered

It was Senator Obama's race that got him selected for the interview in 1985ish for the role of community organizer. His white boss was looking for a black person to work in the inner city, because all of the black people wouldn't trust a white person.

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

"A tempest in a teapot??..."

That is what many (mostly Democrats) are calling the "lipstick on a pig" episode. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I can see that some can say that Obama was not intending to call Gov. Palin a pig.

With that said, and assuming that he didn't mean anything malicious by the remark, for a guy who is supposed to be such a smart and gifted speaker, I do think that at best his choice of words was appallingly inept, and glaringly shows just how rattled Obama and his whole campaign is by the addition of Sarah Palin to the Republican ticket.

 

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981

Olby's Special Komment...

....me thinks Olberdink is kinda pissed...he looks like he's taking a parting shot at those who DEMOTED him....

Ster.

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I don't want to talk to you, no more, you empty-headed animal, food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

Ster... Are you talking

Ster...

Are you talking about tonight's Special Comment?

If you are, I heard about two minutes of the end of it...I was absolutely furiously disgusted, he is outrageous...beyond that.

I hate him.

I have never used that word here before towards anyone I don't think, I hate him.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

yeah...

...well then do not watch the whole tirade...you will kill your tv...this is up there with the "SHUT THE HELL UP" rant.

I need to learn how to start a new TOPIC/THREAD....and type.

Bathtub Boy starts the rant at @7 minutes till end of show.  It accuses McCain of knowing where BinBathtubBoy is and how to get him...but won't tell the american people how to get him...unless he is elected.  THEN ACCUSES HIM OF ....can't say it...

ugh!!

 "An independent is just somebody who doesn't have the guts to identify himself as a liberal." - Rush

You don't start a new

You don't start a new thread, the guys on the masthead do. Unless you go to the Forum, or get accepted as a contributor.

THANX ...

I couldn't do it as well as you guys anyway.

I LOVE THIS SITE!!

AGAIN...THANKS TO ALL OF YOU AT NEWSBUSTERS!!

I'm here in Austin, sanctuary city, site of KOS Konvention, and tie-dyes all over the place.

Oh....BTW...Lance Armstrong (lives here) is going to kick the crap out of the French again this year!!! 

Ster.

Knights of the Round Table:
We're knights of the round table, We dance whenever we're able, We do routines, and chorus scenes, With footwork impeccable. We dine well here in Camelot, We eat ham, and jam, and spam a lot.

Yeah, this site does kind

Yeah, this site does kind of grow on you. Welcome aboard!

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Thanx CT!!

Been reading you stuff for a while.

You have a habit of being politically incorrect...sooo...you are only moderately adequate...sorry. Facts hurt. 

Try harder at being more sensitive to others.

Ster.

ps. looking for a government program for you to join to "adjust" your feelings.  CHINA = RE-EDUCATION CAMP.

Ew...Olby-Spew.

Hey, Ster, to really get out your frustrations about Bathtub Boy, head over to olbermannwatch.com, if you haven't already gone there. Usually any particularly heinous Olby clips are posted within a few hours of airing and then you can vent your frustrations to your heart's content. My blood pressure has gone down multiple points since I started posting there.

Sputter-hack...ugh...

yeah...Olbermannwatch.com is on my nightly read.  THANX!!

Tonight's Komment was top 3. "SHUT THE HELL UP", #2

THIS BULL $HIT = #1

It was just....can't say it here unedited.

PISSED OFF...LOOKING FOR PAY BACK.

Ster.

You must remember that this is the bizarre mindset...

...that forced a gay city official in Washington, D.C. to resign for using the word "niggardly" properly and which in another city resulted in a white official of being called a racist for using the term "black hole" when referring to a useless program that was sucking up needed tax dollars.

Yes, I believe the correct

Yes, I believe the correct term now is "African American hole."

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

PJ, I think of all the

PJ,

I think of all the harmful things liberals have wrought on us, political correctness and feigned offense have been particularly damaging. Combined with some people's ignorance of language (niggardly?!), it has the potential of crippling public discourse.

McNotObama '08

Chrissy is gonna wet his pants...

What's the matter Chris, are you seeing your Messiah slowly slipping away? Hahahahaha... couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

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I love the Chris Matthews picture on the main page

Thank you to whoever at Newsbusters got that screen grab of Matthews frowning. It makes me laugh every time I see it as it is a million in one photo of that sour puss at his inner soul.

Would love to have that picture on a doormat or any other place fitting such a face.

 

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A list please?

Can I get a constantly updated list of new "Racist code words"?

It's getting harder and harder to know what words I can use without the PC police attacking.

So now I can add "Community Organizer" to the list along with "Skinny" "Arrogant" and "Black Hole".

Pompus Airbag

He laments that we should be talking about the issues and not this stuff, but spends 3 days on how many houses McCain has. 

Application for Community Organizer

Ever wanted the chance for a fulfilling career as a community organizer? The SC ACLU wants you. Application here

If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!

Let someone else talk

If Tweety would let someone else speak...you can only speak if you say what they tell you to say at MSNBC....he was exposed during the convention....they told the people they picked to put on air what to say ...this guy wouldn't follow their script...

Palin owns "Lipstick" just as Obama owns "Community Organizer"

Oh my goodness

Chris Matthews is so bad at his job it is no wonder no one watches anymore (if they ever really did). Wow is that tough to read. I wonder if he ever just read a transcript of his work, if might just quit the business. I wouldn't last another day if I was that bad at my job. I would fire myself.

Lipstick's on the other pig

Remember the "DemocRATS" ad, the accusations of subliminal messaging and the media frenzy? How about Huckabee's ad with a "cross" behind him? Big media hysteria about Republican "religious nuts" - yet perfectly ok to describe Hussein as a "proud Christian" despite his Muslim affiliations, to portray Hussein with a halo, or associate with racist preachers and domestic terrorists - and apparently ok for Democrats and their sympathizers to invoke G-d whenever a hurricane or other calamity might strike [G-d's punishment against "Republicans" - bet you didn't know G-d favored the Democrat party - wait, that's Allah - all the rogue nations endorse Hussein]. Jesus a "community organizer" but Pontius Pilate a "governor" - ? But weren't we also recently admonished that "community organizer" was racist code for "minority" - ?

Double standard? Nah... couldn't be...

My question still remains: why do Democrat leaders and their sympathizers have so much hatred for us, yet so much admiration for dictators like Castro? I can only conclude that they wish they could run our own country with such absolute, irrefutable power; it's the only reason I can fathom for their relentless assaults on the Constitution while actively seeking to empower the very people hell-bent on destroying us.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

BTW - Hussein the Apostate should have consulted his Muslim supporters [Hamas, etc.] about this whole pig-and-lipstick issue - pigs and lipstick are banned in Muslim countries.