NBC's Meredith Vieira, at the top of Tuesday's "Today" show, greeted viewers with the following teaser and jarring charge that "A scathing new book...claims the Bush administration's case for war...wasn't a mistake but deliberate deception...It is worse than Watergate."
Vieira, in the 7am half-hour interviewed journalist/author Ron Suskind about his new book, The Way of the World, and his claim that the Bush administration ordered the CIA to forge a letter that would link Iraq and al Qaeda. While Vieira and David Gregory did cite denials from former CIA Director George Tenet and Condoleezza Rice no Suskind critic appeared, live on the air, to debate him. In fact Vieira, at the end of the interview, noted that Suskind will be on tomorrow's "Today," as well.
The following is a complete transcript of the Gregory set-up piece, followed by the full Vieira interview with Suskind as it aired on the August 5, "Today" show:
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MEREDITH VIEIRA: Also ahead a scathing new book from a Pulitzer-prize winning reporter that claims the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq wasn't a mistake but deliberate deception. His claim? It is worse than Watergate. But the White House says it's absurd and gutter journalism. The man at the center of it all joins us for an exclusive interview.
[7:09am]
MEREDITH VIEIRA: And now to that new bombshell book that claims the White House deliberately misled the American public about the case for war in Iraq. The author, a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist. We're gonna talk to Ron Suskind in a moment. But first NBC's chief White House correspondent David Gregory has more. David, good morning to you
[On screen headline: "Bombshell Book, Did White House Mislead America To War?"]
DAVID GREGORY: Good morning, Meredith. This book pulls no punches, claiming that President Bush knew that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction but ordered the invasion anyway. It is a controversial look at administration decision making but the former director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet, telling NBC News, that the charge against the President, is quote, "Just wrong." It is the lingering question about the war. If the President knew then what he knows now, would he have ordered the invasion of Iraq in the first place?
GEORGE W. BUSH: Facing clear evidence of peril we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun, that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.
GREGORY: But in his new book, The Way of the World, journalist Ron Suskind claims there was a smoking gun of a much different kind, Saddam's own intelligence chief Tahir Jalik Habbush. Suskind reports that in early 2003, in secret meetings with British intelligence, Habbush revealed that Iraq, in fact, did not have weapons of mass destruction. That information was passed on to the CIA. Suskind claims the President wasn't interested in information that contradicted the case for war. After the President was told about Habbush, Suskind quotes Mr. Bush telling an aide, "Why don't they ask him to give us something we can use to help us make our case?" Suskind writes that Mr. Bush later dismissed Habbush and cut off the channel of communication to the Iraqi intelligence chief. The book makes another incendiary charge. In order to bolster the connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq, the White House ordered the CIA to write a fake letter from the Iraqi intelligence chief, Habbush, claiming that 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta trained in Iraq, prior to September 11th. This book follows a series of accounts that question whether the administration manipulated pre-war intelligence and otherwise misled the country to justify going to war. It's a charge officials deny.
CONDOLEEZZA RICE: But the one thing that does get under my skin is the notion that we somehow just wanted to go to war. Nobody wanted to go to war. Nobody wants to go to war.
GREGORY: CIA Director Tenet, in a statement insists that, that former Iraqi intelligence chief Habbush, did not provide the kind of intelligence that Suskind claims he did, saying that he was, "unreliable." As to the letter that is reported in the book, one intelligence official, at the time, confirms that it did exist but cannot say who actually ordered it. Intelligence officials do, however, insist that the CIA never believed in a link between al Qaeda and Iraq prior to 9/11. As for the White House this morning, they're dismissing this book as "gutter journalism." And they deny that they ever ordered a forged letter. Meredith?
VIEIRA: Alright David Gregory, thanks very much. Ron Suskind is the author of The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism. Ron, good morning to you.
RON SUSKIND: Nice to see you.
VIEIRA: Nice to see you. Your book is full of some very serious charges that the White House deliberately misled the American public. In the book you call it, "One of the great lies in modern American political history." That it ignored intelligence from the chief, chief of intelligence in Iraq, that there were no weapons of mass destruction. So how were you able to confirm all of these elements?
SUSKIND: Well you know the, I've done this sort of thing for a while and in here the way it worked is there were off-the-record sources who laid out the story and then I went to people actually involved. They were freed up because they're not the original source, if you will, to sort of talk about the context. What they felt, what they did. People actually involved. And of course they're all through the book, on the record, talking about how it all worked.
VIEIRA: But why were they willing to talk now, Ron?
SUSKIND: Well you know a lot of them had been walking around with this lump in their chest for a couple of years, five years now. And because they're essentially free, they're not the source, the original source, they said, "Look why, why hide now? Let's trust the truth."
VIEIRA: You know you talk about the smoking gun evidence, that the White House tried to manipulate the intelligence. That it ignored this intelligence chief from Iraq, Habbush. But they had a lot of information that they were gathering at the time, some of it contradicting what he was saying. So what convinced you that he was a more reliable source than anyone else?
SUSKIND: Well at this late date, in this administration, people are finally saying, "Let's step up in sunlight." And I lay out, step by step, how there was really very little in the way of the case, actually, at the point when Habbush pops up in early January of 2003 and says there are no WMD. And, and beyond that Meredith he went through, in the meetings in January with the British intelligence chief, he went through the mind of Saddam Hussein. Why he's acting the way he did, all the things that came out later.
VIEIRA: Yeah but you heard David Gregory, just say the British intelligence eventually wrote him off, said he was not reliable.
SUSKIND: Well that's not exactly the way it worked. And, and in the book you'll see people who were involved in it, talking about the debate. And it was quite a fierce debate at the very highest levels of the government that is Habbush reliable? What's he saying? How can we check it? And a lot of people, at the end of the day, said it was hard for him to prove the negative, that what he said were no weapons, were actually not there. That's hard to do.
VIEIRA: You know you say that this is worse than Watergate in, in large part because of this letter that you claim the White House ordered the CIA to forge, that would link Iraq with 9/11, Mohamed Atta and with al-Qaeda. And CIA agents, that you quote in the book, agree that there was a letter-
SUSKIND: Sure.
VIEIRA: -but what has convinced you that the White House was behind it? What evidence do you have that the White House ordered it?
SUSKIND: Well the CIA folks involved, in the book, and others talk about George coming back, Tenet, coming back from the White House with the assignment, on White House stationary, and turning to the CIA operatives, who are professionals, saying, "You may not like this but here's our next mission." And they carried it through, step by step, all the way to the finish. And, and ultimately people even talked about it, after the fact. It was a dark day for the CIA. It was the kind of thing where they said, "Look this is not our charge, we're not here to carry forward a political mandate," which is clearly what this was, to, to solve a political problem in America. And it was a cause of great grievance inside of the Agency.
VIEIRA: But you heard what Tenet said. We asked for a statement from him-
SUSKIND: Yeah.
VIEIRA: -and this is what he said, "There was no such order from the White House to me nor, to the best of my knowledge, was anyone from CIA ever involved in any such effort. It is well established that, at my direction, CIA resisted efforts on the part of some in the administration to paint a picture of Iraq-al Qaeda connections that went beyond the evidence. The notion that I would suddenly reverse our stance and have created and planted false evidence that was contrary to our own beliefs is ridiculous." He calls it "ridiculous."
SUSKIND: Well you know this is, I think, part of George's memory issue. He's dealt with this before in front of Congressional investigators and others.
VIEIRA: You don't think he'd remember this letter?
SUSKIND: Well he seems not to remember it and, you know, that's at least what he claims. And the fact is a lot of people know about this. I know about it from my last book. And so, in this book Meredith, instead of going to George I went to all the people around George, close to George who remember because they were involved in the, in the thing and they remember what George says to them.
VIEIRA: You stand by everything in the book Ron?
SUSKIND: Well it's all on the record, it's not off the record. It's on the record, it's in the book. And people can read it for themselves.
VIEIRA: Alright we're gonna continue this conversation tomorrow. Thanks for joining us here in New York.
SUSKIND: My pleasure.
VIEIRA: The book is The Way of the World.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.





VIEIRA: You know you talk about the smoking gun evidence, that the White House tried to manipulate the intelligence. That it ignored this intelligence chief from Iraq, Habbush. But they had a lot of information that they were gathering at the time, some of it contradicting what he was saying. So what convinced you that he was a more reliable source than anyone else?















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Another lame attempt by the
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:31 ET by Free ThinkerAnother lame attempt by the fringe left to rewrite history, or just make it up as they go along. If you don't believe in media bias, this is a great example of NBC giving two days of coverage to a book that spouts wild allegations that can't be backed up with any evidence. Unfortunately for the left, history is written far from now when the facts are considered and garbage journalism is long forgotten.
yawn
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:41 ET by TruthMongeras Hussein/OBL supporters
they will have many mantras that they will have to repeat again and again and again, for a very, very long time
in order to delay the awful and inevitable historic accuracy that will relentlessly wait
for eternity and beyond:)
two quick questions for Meredith
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:34 ET by candance1) Why didn't you press Suskind to explain his remark about his sources not being original? If they were the people "actually involved" then why aren't they original sources?
2) Where was this kind of fawning coverage for Deriliction of Duty, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, or No More Wacos?
So I suppose
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:40 ET by rogue9772I guess the WMDs that were confessed to have been sent to Syria, and all the yellowcake they just removed from Iraq...that's all planted by Bush and his cabal?
Oh yes, always about what you feel. Not what's actually true. If you felt it, it must simply be.
W planted this stuff way
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:43 ET by TruthMongerW planted this stuff way back during the Clinton years - with several non-American intelligence services to boot...
the "stupidest president we've ever had" plans brillinatly and way ahead in painstaking detail you see...
(adjusts tin hat)
The irony is lost
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:52 ET by rogue9772The irony is lost on liberals who on one hand call Bush and this administration incompetent, yet they claim some sort of superhuman planning abilities, ranging from pre-planning the Iraq invasion to masterminding 9/11.
Let's be honest. Our government could screw up a glass of water, how can someone think they could mastermind anything? Or is there some "shadow government" full of intelligent and capable evildoers?
Oops, I just gave the lunatic fringe something to run with... :)
irony is lost on
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:06 ET by TruthMongerirony is lost on liberals
what an understatement:)
and I love the part about George Tenet denying this damning "letter" of highly illegal and unethical instructions on White House stationary (signed "GWB" no doubt)
"well, George has memory problems ya see"
that's all the rock solid proof I need, dammit!
this letter may be fake, but it's probably accurate
indeed this book is a "huge bombshell" isn't it
Don't forget to
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:59 ET by athoughtor2Don't forget to mention...that FLA. was going to be given to him by SCOTUS, W. knew that. After all Daddy had stacked the bench with his people. He knew we were going to be struck bt terrorists on 9/11, etc....
Since there are so many people working at the CIA, not all of them fans of the President, as evidence by the leaks, then why hasn't the forger either come forward or been ratted out? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Oh and did we mention the the cease fire agreement that Saddam broke or the umpteen UN reslolutuins he violated?
it was violation of the
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:45 ET by TruthMongerit was violation of the inspection team resolution that became the final straw - 17th or 18th security council resolution violated
of course we never found proof of that UN resolution!!!
it's reputedly somewhere in the crumbling UN building
we should given diplomacy more of a chance - maybe one more resolution would have finally done the trick:)
19 strikes and your out, dangit - unless maybe 20 would finally do the trick...or 21, or 22...102....1,022...
The Iraqi Minister Of Truth said no WMDs
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:00 ET by SickofLibs"They were freed up because they're not the original source..."
"...they're all through the book, on the record, talking about how it all worked."
So they're not the original source, but they ARE on the record? So what? This numbnut writes down hearsay 'on the record' and we're all supposed to take this as gospel?
Produce and verify the 'CIA-forged letter'. If you can't come up with it, Dan Rather could help you out; he's not too busy these days.
Remember the good ole days when the CIA kept, well, you know, secrets, instead of all their agents and operatives running around blabbing like 7th grade girls and ratting out the POTUS and their bosses to a third-rate leftie 'journalist', and 'on the record' to boot?
and if the letter can't be
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:09 ET by TruthMongerand if the letter can't be found, I'm sure baghdad bob can still back it all up
What a waste
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:54 ET by Gat New YorkWhat a waste of a great education.
I heard
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:55 ET by NorthCoasterthe end of an interview on NPR this morning. George Tenet was asked by NPR about a letter that he supposedly was asked to fabricate to support WMDs in Iraq and he said "I did no such thing" .
Sounds like the "Truthers" are out again!
well....some say "George
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:14 ET by TruthMongerwell....
some say "George has memory problems"
unless he ever says something anti-Bush in the future...we could certainly rely on that
gee i hope we're not "swift-boating" this author too much...?
NPR...
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:30 ET by rogue9772NorthCoaster,
I respect you for listening to NPR. I try to listen to them, I really do. But it doesn't take long before you can hear the repetition of the same tired points with little counterbalance.
How, oh how, do you do it? :)
that's nothing try Air
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:48 ET by TruthMongerthat's nothing
try Air America every day!
stephanie miller, ed schultz - local boneheads...
puts hair on your racist, sexist chest it does
Hussein was a WMD
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 10:58 ET by NortoThere was little coverage of the yellow cake recently removed from Iraq.
The POTUS should pull all our troops back to the oil fields, and ensure that we get enough oil to pay for both these wars and if anyone tries to stop us, torch them. I am sick of the treatment middle America gets for global protection. More soldiers die here in the US every day than the average in Iraq by armed conflict.
I get the impression that
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:14 ET by snowhawk22I get the impression that Suskind doesn't necessarily believe everything in the book. I certainly believe he wants to see George Bush out of office and the Republican name tarnished. But I think one of his main motives behind this book is $$$. With Bush's approval rating and the discourse over the war, he knew the media would eat it up. One could do the same with Congress if it weren't for the left bias media.
Don't worry Mr. Susskind,
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:30 ET by Chris NormanDon't worry Mr. Suskind, Keith Olbermann will more than believe you. In fact, he's having a special chair installed for you for a week's worth of "Countdown" episodes.
McNotObama '08
Ron Suskind has a book to sell
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:28 ET by blogonatorSo did Scott McClellen. So does David Freddoso. That controversy, manufactured or otherwise, moves paper is hardly debatable. Ignoring the charge that the Bush administration ordered the CIA to lie to butress their war argument, what I want to know is who ABC news was talking to back in 2001 when the white powder was still flying about. They spent a lot of air time making the claim that goverment analysis of the anthrax showing the presence of bentonite was strong evidence these attacks were linked to Saddam. ABC says they had sources in the government that told them this. But there was no bentonite and no link to Saddam which begs the question: who was ABC talking to and what were their motives in spreading this claim? It'd be nice to clear that up.
I was worried that Scott
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:38 ET by general companyI was worried that Scott would be getting lonely after the Dems had their fill of him, nice to know he will have company.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
France Lied, People Died
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:38 ET by CobraManThere WAS a fabricated “letter" (which dealt with Saddam's attempted yellowcake purchases in Niger) but it wasn't fabricated by the Bush administration, it was fabricated by the French Intelligence Service.
And the British still stand
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 11:52 ET by athoughtor2And the British still stand by their statement and intelligence
Political Mandate
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 12:53 ET by Crusader16Mr. Suskind quoted agency personnel as saying, "Look this is not our charge, we're not here to carry forward a political mandate,".
Really. Since when is the CIA not responsive to the political goals of a sitting president? When President Reagan decided to established policies toward the goal of ending the cold war, did the CIA not consider intelligence and covert operations associated with that goal their mandate either? President Kennedy's Bay of Pig's operation? President Johnson's Vietnam policies? To partially quote Lyndon Johnson Mr Suskind's book isn't worth "a bucket of warm spit".
Phantom experts.....
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 14:20 ET by ScrapironPoor old Scott McClellan, the man without honor, got caught in his lies and had to admit it in public. No problem, the left rolls out another phantom expert on nothing, but he has a book to sell.
The big question is "can the everything is a dollar stores, handle all of this new crop of crap books? I once saw two (different) Al/Tipper Gorbage books at the dollar store, hundreds of copies, $1 each, buy two get one free.
Someone should contact the 'Today' show and give them the names and dates (all prior to Bush) that the democrats made hundreds of statement about removing Saddam (congress even passed a bill in 1998) and the WMD from Iraq.
They are hyping their past lies just ahead of the truth coming out about how much, and when the WMD was transferred out of Iraq. Bush won't do it because it will destroy any relationships with Russia/China and half of the 'phony' pardners in Europe who sold Iraq the material and helped them develop the WMD.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
They never address the countless quotes...
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 14:24 ET by ThalpyThey never address the countless quotes (audio and video) of President Clinton, Mrs. Bill Clinton, and many of the Dems in and out of government who warned that swift action must be taken to prevent Iraq from using WMDs. The WMDs were either there or could be produced quickly--there was little disagreement about this, but for some(dishonest) reason Vieira insists on beating a dead horse. She is a propagandist, not a journalist.
They do not deserve a free press.
Tue, 08/05/2008 - 17:46 ET by wdhorningYou know what is really worse than Watergate, it is "Newsgate" where the press continues to lie about the truth about Iraq. The House and Senate actually had access to more intel and more time to read it than Bush and so voted for war. The press that lies about this should move to N. Korea.
have we no recourse
Wed, 08/06/2008 - 08:10 ET by welderforeKenneth J Roberts
Have the people no recourse against these so called experts that accuse with no evidence , is there no way to stop this type of history rewriting so that our children can learn the correct history, or are these left winged nuts afraid that the real history will show them to be the ones that are power hungry and wrong. I as an American citizen am tired of congress and the news media attacking a sitting president while we are at war , that of its self is a treasonable offense and should be indicted on those offenses and tried . It is time the American people slammed these people and stop buying their rags called books and let them sit there in poverty while the books sit there not moving . It would be a different story if the guy had any proof but to just write and say these things with out any proof is demeaning not only to the American people but to the writer them selves.Also the news media should not jump on these band wagons with out any proof, it is not good journalism to just take someones word.