For years Chris Matthews has been proclaiming defeat in Iraq, on an almost nightly basis, on "Hardball" but on Tuesday night he finally admitted the success of the surge that John McCain supported. However, the MSNBC host claimed it would be Barack Obama that would get to enjoy the spoils.
After Newsweek's Howard Fineman suggested, "We're not losing," and pointed out the surge success would make it easier for a troop pullout, Matthews admitted the following:
MATTHEWS: Senator McCain wanted the surge to work, it worked politically and Barack Obama is the beneficiary. Not exactly the right development, politically, for him.
Matthews began the segment by playing a clip of McCain criticizing Obama on the war but then wondered if the Republican presidential nominee, "should take it back?"
The following is the full exchange as it occurred on the July 22, "Hardball":
CLIP OF JOHN MCCAIN: I had the courage and the judgment to say that I'd rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Senator Obama would rather lose a war, in order to win a political campaign.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Is he gonna reconsider that statement? Is he gonna have to take that back?
HOWARD FINEMAN, NEWSWEEK: No he won't take it back.
MATTHEWS: Andrea [Mitchell] says that's rough.
FINEMAN: It is, it is very harsh but the problem is that it's not accurate. We're not lo-, because in part of his, in part because of his efforts, paradoxically-
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
FINEMAN: We're not losing. Maliki says we're not losing. Even the Bush administration is beginning to talk about "time horizons." Everybody but McCain is getting ready to declare victory. And McCain is gonna have to decide whether he's gonna call this victory with honor or not or whether he's gonna say, "You know what? We gotta keep 150,000 troops there for many more years." Because everybody else is getting ready to say, "You know what? Sir, your surge worked. Let's get out of there!" That's what's going on.
MATTHEWS: You know you guys both point to this. Howard, you know, it seems to me in politics if you solve a problem you don't get credit for it because nobody talks about it any more.
FINEMAN: No.
MATTHEWS: If you're a Republican administration, you pounce down on inflation, inflation is not an issue in the next election. If you're a Democratic administration, reduce unemployment, unemployment is not an issue in the next election. Andrea it could be that he has the Chinese Curse. That, that Senator McCain wanted the surge to work, it worked politically and Barack Obama is the beneficiary. Not exactly the right development, politically, for him.
A little later in the program Matthews said of Obama's staring down of General David Petraeus, he's "acting like Harry Truman," and declared of Obama's swagger in Iraq: "You know he looks like he belongs over there," The Chicago Tribune's Jill Zuckman chimed in: "He definitely owns the place," and the Washington Post's Lois Romano declared the trip a "home-run."
MATTHEWS: You know for months now it's been like "Simon Says," in this country. Every time the President says something, he says, "General Petraeus says," "General Petraeus says," "General Petraeus." And if he doesn't say it, it doesn't count. Here's a guy acting like – maybe won't be by November, depends on the results of this election – acting like Harry Truman saying, "You elect the commander-in-chief, he sets the mission, the best soldiers carry out the mission the best they can. You don't go to the soldiers and ask what the mission should be."
JILL ZUCKMAN, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: I think that's exactly right Chris and voters are not gonna have any question, in their mind. If they vote for Obama they know what they are gonna get. And he's been extremely consistent over a couple of years now about what he wants, which is to bring the troops home, regardless of what things have been like there. What's ironic is that he's over there in a period of relative calm that is, I think thanks to, to Senator McCain and the surge.
MATTHEWS: How's this gonna sell, Del Waters, with the American voter to see a civilian who hasn't really been tested as commander-in-chief testing his chops and saying, "I know how to deal with Petraeus, watch me."
DEL WALTERS, EBONY/JET: I think the problem, if your John McCain, and you're watching the scenes that have been playing out overseas the Americans are finally being greeted in Iraq as liberators, the problem is they're the Americans that are getting off the plane with Barack Obama. I think if you look at the polls and the polls indicate that the majority of Americans want us out Iraq, when Barack OBama arrives there and says that he is going to be the commander-in-chief if elected and not, and calling the shots and not the generals on the ground, that might be exactly what the Americans want to hear.
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LOIS ROMANO, WASHINGTON POST: I mean I think that, basically, Obama is coming in at an enormously good time for himself. Things are stable on the ground and it's time for everybody to leave and I think that he got enormously good luck when Maliki supported him. I mean look Chris, he's got total command of the world stage now. It's really extraordinary. And I will just say this, the bar for him was not very high. I mean only 25 percent of the country saw him as a commander-in-chief. He didn't have to go very far. And I would say he hit a home-run.
MATTHEWS: You know he looks like he belongs over there.
ROMANO: He does.
MATTHEWS: I mean the guy walks around like he's, he's never been there before, and he walks over like it's his high school reunion.
JILL ZUCKMAN, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: He definitely owns the place. I mean all the, all the images we've seen on video, the photographs that have come back. I mean these are all great pictures for him to show the American people. And like Lois said, there was a recent poll, it showed Senator McCain 30 points ahead of Obama when it came to, "Would this person be a good commander-in-chief?" It will be interesting to see if they start asking voters that question again, after this trip, whether he's narrowed the gap.
MATTHEWS: And these are gonna be great TV commercials. Everyone of these pictures with the kids, with the young troops. I'm getting old now, I call the young troops, kids. Those young soldiers, black and white, with those delighted faces.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.





JILL ZUCKMAN, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: I think that's exactly right Chris and voters are not gonna have any question, in their mind. If they vote for Obama they know what they are gonna get. And he's been extremely consistent over a couple of years now about what he wants, which is to bring the troops home, regardless of what things have been like there. What's ironic is that he's over there in a period of relative calm that is, I think thanks to, to Senator McCain and the surge.














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Master of Reality!
July 22, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Gigantor"It takes two people to lie Marge"
"One to lie and one to listen...."
Matthews is a complete schill and so is Olbermann, both incidentally anchor the MSNBC Political Coverage....ugh. I really wish I had the power to bend and change history and reality like Chris! Isn't this the same Chris Matthews that called Amb. Crocker a "cookie pusher" and called the Patraues hearing a "dog and pony show"? Didn't he also try to disparage the Surge and said it would send our troops to "anihillation in Iraq"? What a fool.
Man, Obama must love it, he not only is a fund raising machine, he also has the biggest campaign staff and that includes every single last employee at MSNBC. Obama coverage 24/7! All of it positive, don't dare have any criticism and bash McCain every chance you get! I'm sorry, they are the most biased network in history, even Fox News is far more balanced than they are, and Fox is supposed to be the "EVIL CONSERVATIVE CHANNEL!!!!"
Did anyone catch (not that anyone should watch MSNBC, or does on here) the "BREAKING NEWS: McCain makes false assertion concerning the Awakening and the Surge!" No where to they point out that there are actually several phases of the Awakening, culminating with the Sons of Iraq....what a joke.
Is matthews
July 22, 2008 - 19:32 ET by serfer62Sane?
Chris off!
July 22, 2008 - 19:35 ET by wdhorningYou know that if a Republican, single handedly gave everyone a $1 million dollar cash tax rebate in a single year, the Democrats would claim their candidate really did the work.
If on election it looks like
July 22, 2008 - 19:36 ET by DaBirdIf on election it looks like McCain is ahead and winning, I will be watching MSNBC. Chris Matthews WILL melt down big time if McCain wins this thing. I mean a severe melt down, along the lines of breaking down on air, crying his eyes out and running off the set. Whatever he does, it will be spectacular television viewing. Only 104 days until the "Matthews Melt Down"!
Me too DaBird... I have
July 22, 2008 - 19:47 ET by bigtimerMe too DaBird...
I have posted before I will be more than looking forward to it...the guys in white coats better be at the ready to haul some people off the set to the looney-bin....Matthews and Olbie can go on the buddy-plan.
This is the only thing I am looking foward to in Nov. politically speaking that is.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hi bt, It will be very
July 22, 2008 - 20:07 ET by DaBirdHi bt,
It will be very entertaining. Deep down I don't think Olbermann cares that much. He'll be ok with a McCain victory because it would give him some job security. But Matthews has so much tied up in Obama emotionally I truly think he will crack, and crack big.
<cue smiley face eating popcorn emiticon>
I watched last election....
July 22, 2008 - 20:08 ET by TexndocI saw Olberdouche the night after W. was re-elected and it was serious Keithy exposing all the "voting irregularities" in Ohio. Ohio, Ohio, Ohio. I think this year he's going to have to explain "voter irregularities" in more than one state. Better plan to make his show a 3 hour special.
Matthews: Meltdown
July 23, 2008 - 14:48 ET by timrfrench61And it will be preserved.
for all to see
on youTube
one BILL-i-on times!
Where's a lightning bolt
July 22, 2008 - 19:37 ET by mattmWhere's a lightning bolt when you need one?
I'm just gonna' be glad
July 22, 2008 - 19:41 ET by bigtimerI'm just gonna' be glad when Matthews quits getting the constant thrill up his leg.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Of course you own the place when you have an entourrage
July 22, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Dee Bunkthe size of Obama's with all the major media present. If they gave me that much attention for going over there, I'd own the place. Duh!
This is not at all unusual.
July 22, 2008 - 20:00 ET by Captain RepusThis is not at all unusual. In McCain's and my era, Viet Nam, and in McCain's service to the country he has dedicated his life and career to protecting his country while, like in the Viet Nam situation, the Obammy's of the world sat back smoking and snorting, living the 'high' life and contributing zip to our country, yet phony cowards and pacifists like Obammy will reap all the benefits.
This speaks to the character of the candidate, but more so to the character of our citizens who's memory began to fade on about September 12, 2001. I suppose a chicken in every pot is still appealing to those who don't have to pluck it.
I am somewhat surprised that Obammy's 'change' express isn't a VW MicroBus with flowers painted on it. Maybe he should decorate his 757.
Chrissie and make believe
July 22, 2008 - 20:31 ET by GoodieYes Chrisseeee, the New England Patriots won the 08 Super Bowl, I just wish I could make as much in salary as these Morons from MSN_Biouchesss,.
Do not pay attention to the Man behind the Curtain.
Getting Pretty Delusional there Matthews...pretty far out there
July 22, 2008 - 20:37 ET by JayTeeJust because Matthead says it, don't make it SO.
Obama has Video, speeches, Votes, press conferences that show where Obama stands on Defeat in Iraq......and it's getting worse by the Minute with these lies coming from the MSM.....you can't TURN this VICTORY into BHO's....
It belongs to the Military, and to the Courage and Leadership of President Bush, 2 Term President, Butt Kicking Terrorists back into the Stone Age. Safe since 911 President Bush.
And the MSM did all they could to turn it into another Viet Nam style Media swing event.
Sorry, NO WORKIE Matthead. DOA on this BHO connect. Better get BHO's buns back home, before he puts Hillary on the Ballot.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
how the hell can
July 22, 2008 - 20:46 ET by TruthMongerhow the hell can anyone possibly suggest the ridiculous notion that obama is the benficiary of the surge he opposed?!?!?!?!?
oh right, it's Matthews - never mind
MATTHEWS: How's this gonna
July 22, 2008 - 20:39 ET by MidAmericaMATTHEWS: How's this gonna sell, Del Waters, with the American voter to see a civilian who hasn't really been tested as commander-in-chief testing his chops and saying, "I know how to deal with Petraeus, watch me."
If anything, Petraeus knew how to deal with another hack politician. Generals have to know how to do that. If obama went on his swaggering way thinking he was in command of the situation it's because the military was able to do a snow job on him.
Pure Crap
July 22, 2008 - 21:03 ET by kilrodThat whole segment of hardcrap with matthews and that bunch of piss-headed liberals is lower than the bottom side of whale-dookie. They should be tarred and feathered and rode out of the U.S.A. with a red hot poker stuck up they're arse. I beleive decent people are smart enough to recognize that kind of bs- crap and it will back-fire on em and on o-Dumb-uh too.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Well. Like it or not Obama
July 22, 2008 - 21:14 ET by Cureboy675Well. Like it or not Obama is actually benefiting from this. Simply because just about everybody is saying, "OK. Lets look at bringing the troops home". He is benefiting by the pure coincidence of this happening while he's running for president and he's able to say, "Look at how many people agree with me about leaving Iraq"
Now wait a second. Before everybody starts throwing their "You're just a bleeding heart" and "You'll run to Canada if there's a draft" stones at me. I know everybody is going to say, "Well wait just a damn minute. Obama initially objected to the surge he is now benefiting from"
And that might be the case. But the media is kinda ignoring that whole thing. So are far as the picture they portray, he is benefiting from it.
Obama benefiting
July 22, 2008 - 23:08 ET by merlin61The only thing Obama is benefiting from is free
campaigning from the MSM. No wonder he
turned down public funding, or whatever they
call it, he doesn't need it because the MSM are
promoting him as a candidate for "free".
His comments on saying he wouldn't vote for
the surge is going to backfire on him, not
benefit him. This trip may be his undoing
yet.
and there's the rub
July 22, 2008 - 23:42 ET by candanceBut the media is kinda ignoring that whole thing. So are far as the picture they portray, he is benefiting from it.
Well lookie there, cureboy agrees that the media shapes the picture of Obama that they want Americans to see.
NB's work here is done.
Welcome to the dark side my dear. ;)
Oh for crying out loud...to
July 22, 2008 - 21:38 ET by msh1973Oh for crying out loud...to my knowledge it isn't November and Obama hasn't won anything! I am so glad we don't have cable.
this was copied and pasted
July 23, 2008 - 06:52 ET by athoughtor2this was copied and pasted from a previous NB discussion
PAT BUCHANAN [in a classic bit of realpolitik]: Do you want to get into the substance, or the politics? [Green can be heard laughing in the background.] Look, the American people believe we made a mistake going into Iraq. Barack wins that. The American people believe the surge has worked, it is working.
MATTHEWS [shouting]: No it hasn't! The American people haven't been asked the right question. Pat, you know you're wrong on this. Pat, you're disagreeing with yourself on this, Pat. You have said in the past the reason to stick the army in there with greater strength a year or two ago was to get the Iraqis to solve their own fish. To put it together themselves politically so that we could come home. By that definition, have we won?
so i guess chrissy boy has seen the light. what a hoax. why wouldn't anybody bring this fact up to him on the show?!
Give me a break
July 23, 2008 - 19:52 ET by cocodrieOur military fought long and hard to win this victory. It cost the lives of many of their buddies. NOW CHRISSIE AND THE OTHER NUTS WANT TO GIVE THE CREDIT TO A HALF BAKED MORON IN A THREE PIECE SUIT WHO IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW HE'S STUPID!