NBC's "Today" show handed "New York Times" columnist Thomas Friedman a platform, on Tuesday's show, to rail against President Bush's "incoherent mess" of an energy policy, and demand a $1/gallon gas tax, as well as a $4.50 price floor on gas.
"Today" co-host Meredith Vieira spurred on Friedman as she recited the most inflammatory passages from his Sunday column:
MEREDITH VIEIRA: Well in this column on Sunday, you don't hold back. You refer to the President as our "addict-in-chief." You say his energy plan is, "Get more addicted to oil." You go on to say, "It is hard for me to find the words to express what a massive, fraudulent, pathetic excuse for an energy policy this is." What is it, Tom that, you find so offensive in his energy plan?
THOMAS FRIEDMAN: What is his energy plan? Let's remember, Meredith, that on the morning of 9/12, right after 9/11, gasoline in this country was $1.60 a gallon, between $1.60 and $1.80. A lot of people like myself, at the time, said we need to have a gasoline tax, a $1.00 gallon phased in over a year, year-and-a-half that will stimulate the kind of innovation and investment in alternatives so we won't be dependent on people who have drawn a bull's eye on our back. What did the President do? He told us to go shopping. So, we basically have an energy policy that Gal Luft has described, I think very accurately as the "sum of all lobbies." The ethanol lobby is strong, let's do a little ethanol! The coal lobby is strong, don't want to have a carbon tax. So it's actually a complete, incoherent mess. That has resulted where we are.
The following is the full interview as it occurred on the June 24, "Today" show:
MEREDITH VIEIRA: So is America addicted to foreign oil? "New York Times" columnist Thomas Friedman says the answer is definitely yes. And in his column on Sunday, he put much of the blame on President Bush. He is also writing about energy policy in his upcoming book Hot, Flat, and Crowded due out in September. Thomas Friedman, good morning to you.
[On screen headline: "'Addict-In-Chief,' Friedman Blasts Bush On Oil."]
THOMAS FRIEDMAN: Good morning.
VIEIRA: Well in this column on Sunday, you don't hold back. You refer to the President as our "addict-in-chief." You say his energy plan is, "Get more addicted to oil." You go on to say, "It is hard for me to find the words to express what a massive, fraudulent, pathetic excuse for an energy policy this is." What is it, Tom that, you find so offensive in his energy plan?
FRIEDMAN: What is his energy plan? Let's remember, Meredith, that on the morning of 9/12, right after 9/11, gasoline in this country was $1.60 a gallon, between $1.60 and $1.80. A lot of people like myself, at the time, said we need to have a gasoline tax, a $1.00 gallon phased in over a year, year-and-a-half that will stimulate the kind of innovation and investment in alternatives so we won't be dependent on people who have drawn a bull's eye on our back. What did the President do? He told us to go shopping. So, we basically have an energy policy that Gal Luft has described, I think very accurately as the "sum of all lobbies." The ethanol lobby is strong, let's do a little ethanol! The coal lobby is strong, don't want to have a carbon tax. So it's actually a complete, incoherent mess. That has resulted where we are.
VIEIRA: But, you know Tom our addiction, our addiction, our addiction to oil certainly precedes President Bush doesn't it?
FRIEDMAN: Of course, our addiction to oil precedes President Bush, but the solution, obviously, requires a long-term, focused, strategic plan, which we have not had in this administration.
VIEIRA: You know, you also-
FRIEDMAN: He's only been here for eight years.
VIEIRA: You, you also go after Saudi Arabia in your column saying that increasing production only adds to our addiction. But isn't this, to some extent Tom, about giving consumers a break. What is wrong with increasing the supply when ordinary citizens are struggling to pay for gas at the pump?
FRIEDMAN: Sure. You know, Meredith, Saudi Arabia's former oil minister Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani said a long time ago, he said, "The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones." What did he mean by that? He was lecturing his OPEC colleagues and he was basically telling them, "Boys we want the price to be just high enough, okay, so we can maximize all our return but not so high that the West starts to invent alternatives to oil." So sure the Saudis are gonna give us a break. You know one more injection. Bringing the price down a little. Kill the wind and solar industry. Make sure they don't invent any alternatives. And so you'll get five cents off your gas but, once again, we won't have any long term strategic response to out total addiction to oil. That's just what you want.
VIEIRA: Yeah Tom you recommend a price floor on gas of $4.50 because you believe that would force people to start to conserve and look at alternative forms of energy. Do you sense a change in behavior that, that might have some long range results here?
FRIEDMAN: Well the change in behavior is obviously happening. If you go to any auto-dealer you'll see that their lots are now piled up with gas-guzzling SUVs. And clearly consumers are looking for alternatives. I was at a Toyota dealer yesterday, they told me it's a three month wait now for a Hybrid Prius. So clearly our consumers are looking for strategic alternatives but the options are few because there's been no long term plan. Remember this administration resisted even improving mileage car standards for almost seven years. Let's not forget that.
VIEIRA: And what about the two presidential candidates? Are they saying anything that, to you, suggest that they have a clear understanding of the path we need to take, in terms of our energy policy?
FRIEDMAN: I think, I think both are still peddling easy nostrums and easy solutions. No one is talking about what we really need, which is a strategy that combines radical innovation and creating the market incentives for that, conservation and radical energy efficiency. If you don't have that all we're gonna do is postpone the solution. I'm gonna be on this show, a year from now, gasoline will be $5.00 or $6.00 a gallon and you'll be asking, "Will the Saudis give a little break for us?" One more injection into the veins, just to keep us addicted.
VIEIRA: Alright Thomas Friedman. Thank you very much.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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I think the Democrats should
June 24, 2008 - 13:19 ET by NewsbusterbrownI think the Democrats should heed Friedman's wise and learned advice, except ask for a $2 a gallon tax instead! ;-)
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Good thinking
June 24, 2008 - 14:04 ET by allanfWhy stop at $2. Let's make it $50/gallon, put a 98% tax on oil company profits and use the money to pay reparations to descendants of former slaves.
Yes! :-D “There are
June 24, 2008 - 14:28 ET by NewsbusterbrownYes!
:-D
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Typical liberal moron.....
June 24, 2008 - 13:24 ET by BEGRUNTlets just increase taxes.......a real crappy idea to stimulate innovation.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Drill now
June 24, 2008 - 13:39 ET by ChaitealoverI presume Friedman lives in DC, NYC, or some other large urban area with tax-payer supported mass transit, so he won't be paying that tax, will he? A true liberal, he doesn't think about the consequences of his plan to the rest of the country, or to people who actually work for a living. And, like many libs, he doesn't think deeply enough to realize that he'll wind up paying it anyway, in the form of higher prices for everything that has to be transported to his little island.
BTW, what do all those who want to find some alternate source of fuel right now, instead of drilling, expect people to do with all the cars that are now on the road? I don't mean the folks who can afford to [possibly] convert their engines to the new fuel, I mean the other 99% of us.
Chai
“A liberal is a man who will give away everything he doesn’t own.” —Frank Dane
What does this guy mean by
June 24, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Cureboy675What does this guy mean by this $4.50 "price floor"? Does he mean somehow mandating the price of gas so that it never goes above $4.50 a gallon? I want to make sure I'm clear on that before I start railing on the guy. Because I just don't see that could work without driving up the prices on everything else *except* gasoline.
rail on him
June 24, 2008 - 13:56 ET by goldboughFriedman wants gas to be no cheaper than $4.50/gal. He wants everyone to conserve by forcing it upon us. Not sure if $4.50 includes the $1 federal tax though. A price ceiling is where the price never goes above a certain amount.
Cb, I believe you're
June 24, 2008 - 14:18 ET by MassConservCb, I believe you're thinking of a "price ceiling". What this guy wants is $4.50 to be as low as gas could ever be again.
How else can he force us all to abandon our gluttonous ways and ride bycicles like all the good communists do?
Oh wow. He wants the
June 24, 2008 - 16:41 ET by Cureboy675Oh wow. He wants the absolute minimum gas price to be $4.50 a gallon?? That's even worse! I'm no big fan of this oil addicition either, but this is not the answer. The people you are going to be hurting the most are the lower income people...Some of whom barely make more than $4.50 an hour!!
I dare say this guy is stuck on stupid.
"I don't want your 'us or them'..." -- The Cure
"I dare say this guy is
June 26, 2008 - 11:01 ET by MassConserv"I dare say this guy is stuck on stupid"
I dare say I whole heartedly agree with you on that. I'd be willing to bet this guy doesn't even own a car (living in NYC) and thinks the rest of us are all just gluttons that don't really need personal transportation and deserve high, and higher, gas prices.
tax talk is cheep..Freedman
June 24, 2008 - 13:46 ET by upcountrywaterNo one is talking about what we really need, which is a strategy that
combines radical innovation and creating the market incentives for
that, conservation and radical energy efficiency.
Evil Bush locked away the 100 mpg carburetor!
So what ?most care are fuel injected, now.
Typical science-free blathering IDIOT
Try 20 bucks a gallon? No alternatives EXIST.. That you like.
Atomic powered cars will work, dig up a permit for that!
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Atomic cars!
June 24, 2008 - 14:30 ET by DarkCurrentAtomic cars! http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=656
Dark C, yup and the only ones planned
June 24, 2008 - 14:47 ET by upcountrywaterwill be allowed on another planet!
Question? what's older? The internal combustion engine OR the fuel cell?
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Start producing Lunar Rovers for......
June 24, 2008 - 23:07 ET by BEGRUNTearth, they're atomic powered aren't they?
I brought up this point a a few weeks ago, here is what followed................I'm still ROTFLMAO, at the response.
June 11, 2008 - 22:43 ET by BEGRUNT
It is something that everyone has forgotten. Your absolutely right, nothing has been done in over 30 years. Had we confronted this problem early on, 1980, on, we could have had a viable alternative fuel source. I mean, come on, we built the "lunar rover" for gods sake, in 1971. I dont remember the fuel station it used on the moon? "If a man does his best, what else is there"? General George S. Patton Jr. reply Just for fun
June 11, 2008 - 22:50 ET by Unsane
Oh, how FUN it would be to drive lunar rovers here on earth!
They were powered by plutonium.
Environmentalists everywhere would explode with rage! It would be a sight to see...
:-)
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I did some checking, the
June 25, 2008 - 08:47 ET by dscottI did some checking, the lunar rovers used by the Apollo missions did not have RTGs, they were battery powered, however the Apollo missions did use the SNAP 27 Pu238 RTG to run the science experiments generating 63 watts. They are considering using the RTGs on future Mars rover missions. http://www2.ans.org/pubs/magazines/nn/pdfs/1999-4-2.pdf
The Voyager missions are still running 20 years later on it's MHW-RTG generating 157 watts.
I think it would cost too much for my own personal home RTG to get off the electric grid, but I still WANT ONE just to thumb my nose at the electric company and the econuts! A Twofer!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
No Drill Libs
June 24, 2008 - 13:53 ET by JDWLibs oppose economic independence. They are standing in they way of this country's prosperity. They are the same people who are demanding energy independence while at the same time prohibiting it.
Obama, "Instead of giving oil executives another way to boost their record profits, I believe we should put in place a windfall-profits tax that will . . . ease the burden of higher energy costs on working families".
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
higher energy costs
June 24, 2008 - 16:33 ET by wizardjrso we're going to raise the price of energy in the form of taxes and then we're going to give it back to 'working families'??? after the bureaucrats charge 80% of the take for the work of picking your pocket and then giving some back??
and somehow the energy companies are going to not pass this extra cost directly to the consumer??
how does this help me with higher energy costs??
Change
June 24, 2008 - 18:20 ET by JDWWhen have increased taxes ever benefited anyone?
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
Out of Touch and Clueless
June 24, 2008 - 14:07 ET by iconoclastThis is just another example of how out of touch the elitist media is. These people are making ungodly amounts of money, and to them $4.50 for a gallon gas is a fraction of their income. Therefore higher gas prices has a fraciton of the impact on them as it does on the average person. Because of their extrodinarily high incomes they cannot even imagine what the average American goes through. They say they do, but they have no clue. Higher gas prices are relative, and they seem unable grasp that simple concept.
That's ok
June 24, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Prester JohnFriedman will probably propose a government fuel welfare program in which people under a certain income will receive payments to reimburse them for the increased prices they're paying to fund the bureacracy set up to give people money that belonged to them in the first place.
Right?
DRILL FOR OIL ON AMERICAN SOIL
gas stamps
June 24, 2008 - 16:34 ET by wizardjrwhy not? we've got food stamps that are used for cigarettes and booze, why not gas stamps?
Oh please, don't give them
June 24, 2008 - 19:11 ET by dscottOh please, don't give them any more really bad ideas, not even sarcastically!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Energy At What Price?
June 24, 2008 - 14:21 ET by BacchusFRIEDMAN: What is his energy plan?
The Bush energy plan should be obvious to everyone by now; to build new nuclear power plants and to (re)start development of domestic oil opportunities. It's working, isn't it?
The Friedman energy policy, as stated above, would be to, first of all, to strangle the domestic fossil fuel industry, to strangle the national economy, and then, try to fix it all with heretofore not-yet-ready-for-prime-time technologies, and no doubt a great depression would ensue.
Actually, you hit the nail
June 24, 2008 - 15:07 ET by dscottActually, you hit the nail on the head there with the deceptive Lib Dem talking point. I have even heard my coworkers repeat the talking point. "So it's actually a complete, incoherent mess. That has resulted where we are." The reason it's an incoherent mess is we have had 30 years of Lib Dem meddling in the nation's energy supply starting with the idiot Carter.
Bush is being blamed for the culmination of Dem incompetence over the years and Friedman has the nerve to make false accusations.
It wasn't Bush who banned drilling offshore, it was the Dems.
It wasn't Bush who cancelled the breeder reactor program which would have dealt with most of the high energy radioative waste, it was the Dems (specifically the IDIOT Carter).
It wasn't Bush who blocked the construction of nuclear power plants, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts.
It wasn't Bush who blocked the construction of gasoline refineries, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts (subversives in the EPA).
It wasn't Bush who restricted oil and gas leases in many areas of the country, Congress controls the number of leases via legislation, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts.
It wasn't Bush who restricted the oil shale reserves, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts.
It wasn't Bush who restricted coal to oil conversion, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts.
It wasn't Bush who cancelled coal powered electric power plants recently, it was the Dems and their allies, the econuts.
The track record is clear, it was the DEMS and their econut allies all the way. In short, it was the meddling, know-it-all, incompetent boobs (Dems) expressing Charles Schumer's mentality who believe the government should DIRECT energy policy via Central Planning and not let the coal & oil companies supply energy according to the market because they (Dems) ignorantly think they know better than the producers, suppliers and consumers of energy. There Mr. Friedbrain, take your tax, your unhelpful buddies in Congress and take full responsibility for the results of your incompetence. We demand you stop interfering with the economy, repeal all your rediculous laws and BUTT OUT!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Closing doors
June 24, 2008 - 14:24 ET by KC MulvilleThe tax on gas makes sense, but only if the consumer has an alternative. When it comes to economic policy, you only close a door when you want the consumer to walk through a different exit; but if you don't have an exit, it just imprisons people in the room.
The stupidest assumption of all is that "the scientists" will invent some magic fuel alternative, just as soon as they get all that extra money. That's logically equivalent to the myth that they would have already invented a solution, but we simply haven't put enough pressure put on them. This is the "hit the computer" method of fixing problems. Technological breakthoughs aren't that predictable. Given that a useful alternative fuel would make the inventor a fortune beyond Bill Gates, it's foolish to think that no one ever "bothered" to invent one before only because we're oil-addicted. That's fantasy.
Maybe a small tax will force consumers to streamline their driving, but that can only go so far. More than likely, in a few years, the technological advances will come in small steps. The tax incentives, then, would have to come in proportionately small steps. But a whopping gas tax right now is not smart. Trust me, I work with computers ... smacking them doesn't help.
Lib Focus
June 24, 2008 - 14:37 ET by JDWWe are paying too much for everything (health, military, education...) except gasoline?
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
Alternatives Simply Don't Exist
June 24, 2008 - 15:12 ET by Intellectual HonestyOnce again a fellow traveler in Vieira declines to ask what Friedman drives (yeah I'm sure he went to a Toyota dealership yesterday /s) or the recent gargantuan house he built to the contrary of his stated belief of global warming.
Once again we have a liberal that states the obvious in noting that an established industry is generally always resistant to competition while supporting the insanity of phasing out the discovery and production of fossil fuel and switch to feasable alternatives that simply don't exist. People of all political persuasions would love to have viable alternative sources of energy but making presumptions that we can cut discovery/production of oil in order to spur alternatives is very simply insane.
Friedman's a hypocrite and an elitist whom, if I may throw a cheap shot, doesn't miss an opportunity to consume food sources that have been grown, harvested, shipped, refined due to the energy discovered, refined and delivered by the fossil fuel industry.
'feasable alternatives that simply don't exist'
June 24, 2008 - 15:29 ET by JDWRegardless of all of the other ethanol problems, it provides less energy than regular thus more is required. If one must use more how does it solve our problem?
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
Who said Meredith was just fluff?
June 24, 2008 - 15:37 ET by SickofLibsWow, nice spurs there, cowgirl! Ride that fat ass bull!
But seriously folks, Tommy F's plan is not nearly radical enough. I think it could be improved by adding this to the pump warning labels:
"Before pumping, customers must drink the first six ounces of gas prior to inserting the dispensing nozzle into the vehicle."
Meridith thanks hon..........
June 24, 2008 - 22:18 ET by connmanfor looking out for us little old "common citizens". What an a$$hat! So Friedman's all hot and bothered and thinks that yet another Bush policy failure is sinking the country. (Yawns twice) Was he yapping about the price of gas on 9/12/01 and how we should be taxing the crap out of it to develop alternative energy technologies....uhhh...I don't think so.
This town needs an enema! - The Joker
Now and the future
June 24, 2008 - 15:41 ET by pbfunDrill and drill now! Nukes and nukes now! Windmills and windmills now! Solar and solar now! Conserve and conserve now! Am I missing something with this way of thinking? This country needs a plastic surgeon to replace all the elected boobs!
but wait! there's more....!
June 24, 2008 - 16:41 ET by wizardjrWhere's Ron Popeil when you need him?? He could be marketing his dilithium crystals on TV - "the clean energy of the future". Why dilithium crystals and magic beans are just around the corner. It's only Boooosh and Enron that are keeping them from us. Only five more months and then there will be "CHANGE!"
Hey Thomas, if you're so
June 24, 2008 - 16:00 ET by ckc1227Hey Thomas, if you're so desperate for an alternative source, start your own alternative energy company and create one. You don't have to wait for government to add a $1.00 tax before you do so, nor do you need the Saudi's permission. And neither does anyone else.
By the way, the only thing killing wind and solar is wind and solar. They are inefficient, impractical solutions. What are we going to do, put sails on our cars now? People like to call fossil fuels old technology. If using fossil fuels is old technology, what the hell is using windmills called?
You know. One idea
June 24, 2008 - 16:48 ET by Cureboy675You know. One idea proposed by Senator McCain really appeals to me. His idea about offering the $300 Million prize for that super-efficient car battery. That is the kind of thinking that its going to take to get us off oil (Because no matter what we do, eventually we are going to run out of oil).
I mean if our government can assemble the brilliant scientists and give them the money needed to build an atomic bomb. And if our government can assemble the most brilliant scientists and give them the money needed to put a man on the moon. Then I have to believe that our government would be able to find some scientists and the money to build a reasonably priced automobile that runs on something besides gasoline.
"I don't want your 'us or them'..." -- The Cure
"Because no matter what we
June 24, 2008 - 16:54 ET by NL207"Because no matter what we do, eventually we are going to run out of oil"
We will run out of oil http://www.oilgae.co... when we run out of sunshine.
Cureboy675 gets the dumsh** award today.
Walking
June 24, 2008 - 17:39 ET by NorthCoasterThey won't be happy until we're all barefoot and walking to work!
Anything Into Oil at $80 a Barrel
June 25, 2008 - 09:36 ET by PopularTechAnything Into Oil at $80 a Barrel (Discover Magazine)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
We are NOT running out of oil anytime soon
June 25, 2008 - 09:35 ET by PopularTechThere is effectively an unlimited amount of oil for the next century at least, the only way we can have a problem is if the Democratic party and environmentalists prevent us from getting it.
Myth: The World Is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Despite Popular Belief, The World Is Not Running Out Of Oil, Scientist Says (Science Daily)
Myth: The World Is Running Out of Oil (John Stossel, ABC News)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
Not saying this is the
June 24, 2008 - 17:43 ET by fuzzierNot saying this is the answer either but something to look into. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/downs2.htm
Let's just get our cars stoned, if it is true I am all for it. There has to be more than one way to skin a cat.
Fuzz
Bad Economics!
June 24, 2008 - 18:57 ET by Tyler DurbinLet’s assume for a moment that gas prices were capped at $4.50 per gallon. As soon as the fair market value of this
commodity exceeds $4.50, oil companies will simply sell their fuel to other
countries willing to pay the market price.
Even if government could force a price cap upon oil
companies, it surely can’t compel these
companies to sell their product, if they choose not to--unless of course, Friedman
wants the government to assume ownership of our domestic oil industry. That wouldn’t be too surprising a position
for someone like him to take.
"Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience."
There is nothing worse than
June 24, 2008 - 22:08 ET by the strugglerThere is nothing worse than stupid people with the mindset that they're smarter than everyone else ala Tommy Freidman.
Friedman's Eyes
June 24, 2008 - 22:30 ET by WesenFriedman thinks he has developed gravitas simply because he has gotten older. Trouble is, his ideas are as stale as they were when he arrived on the scene at the Washington Roundtable.