Phil Donahue looked across the film landscape littered with numerous anti-Iraq war box-office failures and decided he needed to add one more to the list and the "Today" show was more than happy to help him promote it. The liberal talk show host appeared on Tuesday's "Today" show with anti-Iraq war veteran/activist Tomas Young to plug what NBC's Ann Curry hailed as "a documentary that Sean Penn has called...part 'Coming Home,' part 'Born on the Fourth of July.'" Co-anchor Meredith Vieira, who conducted the interview, called the film "powerful."
The following is the Curry teaser followed by the full segment as it occurred on the April 1, "Today" show:
ANN CURRY: And also coming up this morning a movie, a documentary that Sean Penn has called, it's called "Body of War" the documentary. He's called it, "part 'Coming Home,' part 'Born on the Fourth of July.'" It's basically one soldier's story. A young man who signed up to fight after 9/11 and his life was permanently changed by the war in body and mind and spirit that Phil has a way, it's directed by Phil Donahue who's gonna be here, along with the now paralyzed veteran to talk about this journey.
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MEREDITH VIEIRA: Phil Donahue has never been one to turn away from telling a difficult story and he is back at it. In a new documentary he co-directed, "Body of War," tells the story of one soldier. Tomas Young enlisted in the Army after 9/11, hoping to fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Instead, he was sent to Iraq where on his very first mission he was instantly paralyzed from the chest down. Tomas Young, Phil Donahue, good morning to both of you.
PHIL DONAHUE: Hi Meredith.
TOMAS YOUNG: Good morning.
VIEIRA: You know I saw this film last night. It is so powerful Phil. I know that you met Tomas in the hospital. He had come back from Iraq paralyzed from the waist down, only a few days into his mission there. What was it about him that said to you, "I need to tell this soldier's story?"
DONAHUE: I think the gravity of his injury is what attracted me, attracted me to Tomas at the beginning. And I just thought the American people should see this. This is the drama being played out in thousands of homes in this country. Families who sent people like Tomas to this war and they've come back with injuries that turned the whole family upside down.
VIEIRA: And Tomas, you opened up your life to cameras and in, and in a very intimate and personal way. We see this film, we see the number of pills you have to take on a daily basis. You talk about bodily functions. You, you get married during the course of the film and talk very openly about not being a husband to your wife physically, having real issues there as well. Why, why did you want to tell this story? What, were you trying to make an anti-war statement here or something else?
YOUNG: Not necessarily an anti-war statement. But men and women all over the country who enlist go with the full knowledge and idea that they may come back home in a body bag or in one of those coffins, though we're not allowed to see coming off the planes. But nobody really thinks I'm gonna come home and I'm gonna be in a wheelchair or worse, I'm gonna be a quadriplegic who's living off a ventilator or something to that effect. No husband thinks that they're gonna come home and not be able to satisfy their wife or girlfriend. I wanted to show the ramifications and consequences of either making an impetuous decision, as far as military enlistment without all the options or anything in anybody's daily life, without fully recognizing all the angles and consequences that could happen.
VIEIRA: But you did go from warrior to anti-war activist and had you gone to Afghanistan instead of Iraq--because that's where you wanted to go, that's where you thought the problem was and still believe the real problem is--would you feel the same way? If the same thing had happened, but if in Afghanistan?
YOUNG: I would be against any military presence in Iraq, but also if I had been shot and paralyzed in Afghanistan, where I enlisted to go, there would be no "Body of War." You and I would not be talking right now. I would have never met Phil probably. I would have taken my monthly money from the government and gone home and shut up. But, unfortunately, I was shot in a war that I didn't think was just or fought for the right reasons.
VIEIRA: We actually have a clip from the, from the movie. This is a scene where you're at an anti-war demonstration in Washington and you, you're going past a group of, of mothers whose sons and daughters did not come back from the war. They died. We want to show their reaction to you.
[BEGIN CLIP]
MOTHER: I noticed in Washington when we were there with the Gold Star Mothers for Peace and the MFSO, whose babies have not come home, whose husbands have not come home, I noticed them touching Tomas, kissing him, hugging him, wanting to be near him. And I think there was a connection there, because he came home and their family members didn't.
[END CLIP]
VIEIRA: And that is your mom's voice that we we're hearing. What was that experience like for you, Tomas? Obviously for your mom it was very moving.
YOUNG: It was, it was indescribable. I mean, I, I don't feel any particular sort of pride or happiness in the fact that I came back and, and they didn't. But if I, if by allowing a mother, or a wife of somebody who didn't come home to, to touch my face, to feel some connection with me, for whatever reason, then I'm, I'm more than happy to step into that role because they need somebody to help turn to, to touch, to do whatever they need to let go of their grief. I'm more than happy to help with that.
VIEIRA: You know, there are veterans who come back injured in wars and, and still believe the sacrifice that they made is worth while. Certainly some that have been in Iraq. What would you say to them?
YOUNG: That is well within their rights as, A.) an American and B.) a soldier. And I, in fact, I think the only people who, who should be able to say that they support what happened over there are people who feel a real sacrifice and sense of loss associated with this war, people who have served. If you haven't seen what's going on over there or know anything of it, you really don't get a chance to be a sideline cheerleader. But in the same vain, anybody can be against this war in Iraq because all they want is the troops to come home safely and be used properly as they volunteered to defend the Constitution and the country.
VIEIRA: Tomas Young, thank you so much. Phil Donahue, extremely, extremely powerful film. Thank you for your time this morning.
DONAHUE: Thank you, Meredith.
VIEIRA: And "Body of War" opens across the country throughout the month.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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I saw Donahue on Fox the
April 1, 2008 - 14:19 ET by marpelI saw Donahue on Fox the other night. I think it was Geraldo (who else?). He's looking a little "long in the tooth"; sort of like Spencer Tracy in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner". Maybe I'm being too kind...LOL
I saw the same show marpel,
April 1, 2008 - 14:28 ET by bigtimerI saw the same show marpel, he was talking about this same pathetic documentary that he made and has received awards for evidently...which I posted about the other night here..it was maddening, they showed one military volunteer crying about not being able to pick and choose where he went, how long he stayed, the conditions he was in blah blah blah...it was pathetic, he is no man in my eyes...he is a whining pathetic war-protesting baby.
It is shameful...in my opinion.
Wished I wasn't in such a hurry today....I'd post more about this with links...trying to get work done in between checking in here.
Donohue is still a leftist whining liberal nut-case...which of course the msm love and the award people too...to win an award, you most generally have to belong to the same enemy within leftist club.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I saw Gladiator BT
April 1, 2008 - 14:49 ET by exLibIn that movie Maximus goes to the Emporor and says, "Can I go home I haven't seen my wife and kid in 478 days?" or something like that, I think it was about 2-3 years.
Great movie, Box Office Smash, Oscars Galore.
I don't mean to lesson the pain, suffering or sacrifice men and women make in the Armed Services. But liberals make it out like being the Service should be the same as working a desk job.
I think if you brought a Roman Soldier forward in time and let him hear about our "debates" on "torture" they would just laugh and tell you to start counting the days until this country is rubble.
That Roman soldier would
April 1, 2008 - 14:51 ET by balboaThat Roman soldier would also love the new PlayStation 3, not to mention Advil.
Maybe I'm being obtuse,
April 1, 2008 - 15:15 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltbut I'm missing your point.
His point is supposed to be
April 1, 2008 - 16:00 ET by zfHis point is supposed to be that we have advanced since then. But he misses the original point, that being in the army is still a cakewalk to what being used to be in a military service was like compared to today. But you can't expect life to lose all its hardness over time and everything be bright and soft. There are hardships necessary for a military to function, and people should stop whining about it and stop expecting a posh existence during service.
Your Roman soldier
April 1, 2008 - 16:03 ET by balboaYour Roman soldier comparison has no relevance. Things have change a weeee bit since the Roman empire. Of course we have it easier now.
bal, I dont think war has
April 1, 2008 - 16:14 ET by bassndudebal, I dont think war has changed much. It is still the object of the game to kill your enemy. The ways we do it are now some what more advanced. Where the Romans used swords, pikes and spears, we use firearms, rockets and frags. We no longer have to be within arms reach of him/her. And we ride to where we go. But the "game" of war hasent changed.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
The Romans
April 1, 2008 - 22:31 ET by Angry AfricanThese are the same Romans that had big orgies men-women, men-men, women-women. So I guess if you admire the Romans so much you should admire the fact that so many of these soldiers of Rome were gay and bisexual. Maybe that's why the army has gone "soft" as you say - too many straight men?
And....
April 1, 2008 - 22:58 ET by BlondeYour point is?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Tongue
April 2, 2008 - 06:12 ET by Angry AfricanIt was just tongue in cheek Blonde.
My point Bal is this
April 1, 2008 - 16:28 ET by exLibOf course it has total relevance. Because it makes a simple point, we are going to eventually get taken over by a more violent, bloodthirsty and determined foe, unless we turn things around and realize that war is cold.
Maybe we have advanced but we have also regressed in that area and we eventually will pay the price.
The idea that somehow you remain safe, secure and gain an ever growing standard of living while insulated from the harsh and often violent realities of the "World" without spilling someone elses blood is a cannard.
History shows us that those who rule do so at the expense of others, the US was one of the first countries to not be bent on total world domination when it was in their power to do so.
Rome was overthrown when they eventually got too fat, dumb and happy (meaning too focused on pleasure) and not focused on taking care of business.
When Presidential, or any politcal office, depends on the ability of the person seeking office to promise the voters the "easiest, most comfortable" lifestyle possible, things are not looking good down the road.
Ah, now I see his point.
April 1, 2008 - 17:23 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltI posted the following on another recent story about Phil Donahue's movie, but it seems equally as appropriate here:
we're fresh out of "perfection" flavor this generation. Can we interest you in some "best, honest efforts in the interest of preventing another 9/11"? Granted, it's not quite as aromatic as the rare "Utopia" blend, but then again, it doesn't stink quite as much as the less popular "WWII" variety either; much less rotting chunks of American bodies mixed throughout.
Human endeavors involve mistakes and attrition. Get over it and get on the side of those who are realistic about outcomes.
It's Very Sad
April 1, 2008 - 14:45 ET by exLibThis guy is being used by Donahue.
#1 So that he can spew DNC talking points, the most pathetic of them all is :
Your only option if you don't serve in the military is to oppose the war.
Talk about shutting someone down and not willing to debate with facts.
# 2 - So that he can be what Ann coulter calls the unanswerable victim. You can't debate the guy cause if you do, you hate the guy.
# 3 - As far as I know, when you sign up for the military you don't get to pick and choose what you want to do.
So another swat at the 'horrible' military, that only fights "liberal approved wars".
My only question is why, after we see "victim" after "victim" of "Bush's War" does ANYBODY think this is a story that HAS to be told. Like we aren't already beat over the head with the unfortunate fact that our soldiers die or worse get maimed.
Drudge had a link up over the weekend about the latest Anti-War movie bust and the vast majority of people who commented on the story said they wanted to see more movies with HEROES.
Now, if they put an Iraq war vet on the show who was proud of his service and spotlighted some heroic things he had done, THAT would be a story few know about. Although I suspect that the public knows in the back of their minds that these people exists it would help to see them on TV occasionally.
You're exactly right. I was
April 1, 2008 - 19:40 ET by DJEddleYou're exactly right. I was in the military and I did not get to choose where I wanted to go. You don't sign up for the Armed Forces and say, "I want to go here and do this." They'll laugh you right out of the recruiting office. You go where they need you and you do what they tell you. Otherwise, you're taking out trash and filling sand bags until you're ready to kill yourself. Then they send you for a psychological evaluation.
And the idea that "we shouldn't be in Iraq" or that it "was not justified" is just as pathetic as an excuse. You don't sign up for the military to dispute foreign policy and you don't turn anti-war because you happened to get shot. If he was so opposed to go to Iraq, he could have addressed that before he went. He had options. They may have resulted in time in the brig, but at least he wouldn't be paralyzed. But his understanding of the war in Iraq is flawed anyway. We were justified and we went for the right reasons. And Iraq was and still is a central front in the war against radical Islamist organizations. Mr. Young ought to refresh his memory and review the historical record:
Why We Are In Iraq
Movie after movie will continue to bust as long as the theme is "America was wrong" or "America is evil."
I agree with you that they should show more veterans that are proud. Maybe they could go one step further. Why don't they ever talk about injured Iraq veterans that felt it was worth it to liberate the country? They are the real heroes.
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Show some respect
April 1, 2008 - 22:48 ET by Angry AfricanThis guy have the right to a political opinion as well you know. Just because he was a soldier doesn't mean he didn't have an opinion. Of course he can have his own reasons for joining, and of course he might not agree with Iraq. And that is his right. But he was a soldier and went to fight in a war he didn't believe in. Because he was a soldier he kept his mouth shut while he was there. Like all soldiers do - and should do. But once he is out he should be able to say what he wants. Because he is not a soldier anymore. What gives the retired generals a right to come out and speak for or against a candidate and for or against the war and this guy not? because he wasn't a "big wig"?
And it is not his fault that someone isn't making a movie about eh proud soldiers who loved serving in Iraq. He can not be blamed for that. And it doesn't take away his right to say what he wants to say.
Also - unlike so many here. He defended the right of other soldiers to believe in what they believe in - because that is what Americans do and that is what soldiers do.
Saying this guy isn't a hero because he doesn't agree with your views or fits into your box makes you anti the American way my man.
Over her it is defend to death even those Americans you don't agree with. Those people who died on 9/11 was Democrats or Republicans - Liberals or Conservatives. They were (mostly) Americans who disagreed with each other, but still knew what made them American. Those soldiers who died in wars for this country wasn't Democrats or Republicans - Liberals or Conservatives - they were Americans. Who died for your right to say what you want. But just say it with respect please. They deserve at least that.
He is a hero. Just like the others who serve. He went to fight a war he didn't believe in. But he still went because that is what an American soldier does. Just show some respect for all the soldiers. They are all heroes. Whether we are against or for this war - one thing stands above all other things. Those men and women who fight this war. And come hell or high water - we better support them because it is these same soldiers who will come back tomorrow to defend us in another place.
Just show respect man.
Dude
April 1, 2008 - 23:02 ET by BlondePut down your drink and hang it up for tonite.
You're making an a** out of yourself.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You assume to much my dear
April 1, 2008 - 23:31 ET by Angry AfricanHey Blonde, You shouldn't assume that I care whether I make an a** of myself. My kids love it.
I just get peeved off when people have double standards. it's okay for someone to support the war and fight in the war and be a hero. But don't dare fight in the war and oppose war - then you are not? And they mown and bitch about "oh, the liberal media never tell the story of the 'good' soldier". Stop moaning and bitching about every single little thing and start doing something about it. Some people are like spoilt little children who throw their toys at any thing. And jump at every single shadow. Damn - I guess they must love Oliver Stone and all his conspiracy theories.
Hell, some people have too many blinkers on. I have been in this country for 18 months and all I see on TV is the soldiers being seen as hero's. I don't know what TV they watch but obviously Fox is just not doing its work if these people watch that as they say they do.
Double standards. That's what gets to me. Some soldiers can be heroes and some not. You think a soldier gives a damn if the guy next to him/her is a Democrat or Republican? No -= they are all heroes. The (un)fortunate thing is that they still have rights when they leave the army. And that does not make them less of a hero. None at all.
I think I should actually go and have that drink now. It might actually calm me down.
Have a good ne Blonde. And my apology if I came across rude. They just shouldn't stuff around with the soldiers. Neither side should. These guys give their lives and comments like that is like spitting in their face.
AA, the idea is that there
April 1, 2008 - 23:36 ET by Dan The Man 2AA, the idea is that there are no movies out showing heroism and good military deeds such as tehre were in WWII. This is mainly due to the idiot pukes like most of them in Hollyweird, Sean Penn, Danny Glubber and many more dont make them due to their ideology. The idot has a right to make films and we have the right to not see them.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You are right!
April 1, 2008 - 23:42 ET by Angry AfricanYou are 100% right. And I won't be watching that "documentary" either. I am not questioning that. Hollyweird is sick and we shouldn't expect too much from them. They are psuedo intellectuals who are "experts" at bullsh*t. You won't see me arguing against that.
I was just getting peeved that it was then taken up against the soldier as if he is less of a hero. He isn't any less of a hero. Heroes aren't perfect. But he is still a hero for going to the war isn't he? Or is he only a hero if we agree with him?
And with this "if he is
April 2, 2008 - 06:40 ET by Dan The Man 2And with this "if he is less of a hero" you misunderstand what a hero is. Just because he was in combat and it left him in a wheelchair (an assumption) does not mean he is a hero. He is to be honored for derving and giving up his mobility that is not in question. He signed up for duty and understood the consequences. Now if he would have won the bronze star for heroic actions that would be different.
To me he is a dupe or worse, but I thank him for his service.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Good point
April 2, 2008 - 14:31 ET by Angry AfricanThanks Dan. I agree with that. That's fair.
No assumption
April 1, 2008 - 23:40 ET by BlondeObservation.
You might want to ponder the fact that you are a guest in this country.
If I had a house guest like you...well...you figure it out.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
What?
April 1, 2008 - 23:45 ET by Angry AfricanWhat are you on about? I am saying respect the soldiers and all of a sudden I am not a welcome guest? Or should I be a "good boy" and sit and say thank you "mista" and listen how people bad mouth a person who fought in a war for them?
I show nothing but respect for all of the soldiers and all often a sudden I am the bad guy? How you figure that one out?
Blonde, where did I show a lack of respect?
AA... Just a busy little
April 1, 2008 - 23:12 ET by bigtimerAA...
Just a busy little bee tonight aren't ya..oh wait you've been quite busy since you first landed here....from your blog site to-boot.
I don't think you need to be telling anybody here about showing respect to the military men/women...differing opinions on how other military men who served that are now all of a sudden the msm favorites who will do anything to yet hurt us during a time of war and the President is just despicable..it is called an agenda..and like the poster who you were answering to, where the hell is the msm when it comes to the men who have served, been wounded terribly and want to go back and serve...eh?
John Murtha and his ilk are who you should be crying to...btw...just how do you feel about absolutely NO coverage when it comes to an apology from the msm and the likes of Murtha about Haditha....where is the apology to the military there...
The likes of Donahue and this guy that have an intentional agenda is absolutely despicable.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Not defending
April 1, 2008 - 23:17 ET by Angry AfricanOf course you are right - anyone who shows a lack of respect to the military men should go to.. wel.. you know where. My specific comment was about him not showing respect to this soldier. If "we" want the other side to show respect then we should as well. Right? Or am I seeing two sets of rules? One for them and one for us? Or do you go with the rule that you will play it their way until they play it differently? Bit of a circular argument then hey?
Why can't the soldier tell his story but you say it is okay for the other pro-war soldier to do so?
AA... You never answered
April 1, 2008 - 23:30 ET by bigtimerAA...
You never answered my questions.
Nevertheless, 99% of the time I have been wise to ignore your trolling....I am now going to continue to do so.
Have a good night....others can play around with you.
Troll on....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Stop changing the subject
April 1, 2008 - 23:37 ET by Angry AfricanBigtimer - act like it.
Can you read? (I'll try to write this slowly for you to read). I said anyone who disrespects the military and the soldiers are out of order. MSM or not. Everybody. Did I defend MSM or any of the questions you asked? No I did not.
My point was (again, slowly) that anyone who disrespects the soldiers are out of order - no matter who or what they are.
I am also starting to get your trolling - divert the issue away so you don't have to face the double standards you practice. I am very easy to understand - if you make a statement I will change the names and sides and see if you are still willing to stick to your position. What I am starting to realize is that most people won't because it means they will have to look in the mirror.
"Never commit suicide when your opponent is murdering" ~ BadTheory
Ah, cheesed-off sub-Saharan,
April 1, 2008 - 23:29 ET by R D HelmThis "soldier" is willingly allowing himself to be used as a propaganda tool by those who wish to see harm come to my country.
As such, I do not give a RAT'S LEFT GONAD what he did prior to this time.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
R D, you'll have to
April 1, 2008 - 23:43 ET by BlazerR D, bt, you'll have to forgive our new friend AA here, he's had a rough day with the realization that his good pal Mandela's fellow communist buddy Mugabe may be on the way out.
Plus we need to give him the proper break in period, before we point out the obvious fact that it's much easier to come to America and critiscize it, than to stay in a corrupt cesspool full of thug's like Africa and change it...............and also that he's an idiot.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer, he looks to be on his way to pi$$ing off Blonde and bt..
April 1, 2008 - 23:49 ET by R D Helm..at the same time, too. :-O
Thinking back, I don't think even rhayes managed to do that. :-)
LOL-I think our up-tight sub-Saharan friend here needs to learn some serious manners, and that right soon, else he is in for a really rough time around this place.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Now, now, RD
April 1, 2008 - 23:55 ET by BlondeI have been subtle and KIND....to our newly found friend, don't you agree?
Can I help it that he's another bloody foreigner with stupid opinions?
I'm a bit out of shape for taking the fools to school...and I'm not so sure I want to get back into it, yet again.
We shall have to see.
I do far, far too much babysitting at work to spend my spare time this way, I'm thinking.
BTW....how was your Birthday? Mine's coming up shortly...argh! (Oh, and my 2 year anniversary here...I think it's the same day, LOL).
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, you have been more than kind, IMHO.
April 2, 2008 - 00:07 ET by R D HelmI think AA here is headed for a Dave High style melt down. Truly.
LOL-At least at work, you are getting paid to babysit children.
Phase I of my b'day was great. The BBQ was first-rate, as always, and I put down enough JD to fill a sink.
Phase II comes Saturday, when I get to do it all over again with a larger audience.
I think we are doing burgers and hot dogs, but I'm not sure. My sister is putting it on this time.
Of course, I will still be manning the fire, as I trust no one in that regard.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
I apologize
April 2, 2008 - 06:31 ET by Angry AfricanBlonde, RD et al,
I apologize. I did go overboard last night. And no, it wasn't due to drinking! I was trying to make a point and did not make it very clear and I took a long drive to make a short trip. So let me try again.
I agree with everything everyone is saying about the press, lack of broader stories etc. 100% agreement. The only area I am questioning is whether someone is less of a hero because of his politics. Yes, he should maybe not have done what he did afterwards - making the mockumentary. But does it make him less of a hero for what he did? Most heroes are not "clean" they are just people with flaws who are willing to go to war to protect us.
Please Blazer
April 1, 2008 - 23:53 ET by Angry AfricanYou don't know me - go read more about me before you make stupid comments. I am not even going to humor you with your Mugabe and Mandela comments. If you were half as wise as your intended wit then you would know better. I have heavily critized the madman Mugabe publicly - in my blog and in the newspapers in South Africa. Please do not show your ignorance by saying things about Africa that you obviously know nothing about. I don't mind the insults - I have been called worse. It just doesn't do anything to address the issue.
1. I have never, ever shown anything but support and respect for America. I have always defended this country - before and during my time here.
2. What is the issue here? I am saying that we should at the very least show respect to all soldiers who are willing to fight in the war. They are all heroes are they not? Am I wrong on this?
3. I am in NO way defending this piece of sh*t "documentary they call "art". And I am in no way saying that the MSM is in any way right in what they do. I am not disagreeing that the media and movies should tell more positive stories of Iraq. I never said any of that in my comment. I was only making the point that we should respect all soldiers who fought/fight in this war - whether we agree with their politics or not.
What is the problem with that? And why the name calling?
I know plenty about Africa,
April 2, 2008 - 00:15 ET by BlazerI know plenty about Africa, AA. But before you step over the welcome mat track mud on the carpet and put your 2 worthless cents in on what kind of mess we have going on here in America, clean your own mess up at home.
Plus it's fairly evident your a flaming hypocrite with the stance I dont' have any business critiscizing Africa (because i know nothing about it) but your totally free to interject your opinion's about us and our country.
We tend to tolerate our own American liberal's just a little bit more than we do foriegn ones, not much, just a little.
Oh, and please dont' overstay your Visa. If there's one thing I can stand even less it's an illegal immigrant liberal with a critical opinion about America.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
What criticism?
April 2, 2008 - 06:27 ET by Angry AfricanBlazer, what criticism did I have of America here? Saying I agree with all the sentiments you and everyone else said here, just not with the fact that people are questioning whether the guy is a hero? You (and I) might not agree with his politics, but does it make him less of a hero?
Listen, "Angry
April 2, 2008 - 00:24 ET by DJEddleListen, "Angry African"...
Perhaps you need a lesson on reading comprehension. I never said this guy was a disgrace or was any less of a hero because he is now speaking out against the war. I simply stated that his reasons for speaking out are incorrect and his understanding of how the military operates was obviously flawed when he signed up. I still have respect for him, I just don't agree with his blatantly incorrect analysis of the Iraq War and the manner in which he's speaking out about it.
My point was, if he didn't want to go to Iraq, he had options. I think it just seems a little duplicitous now to be speaking out against the war - after he became paralyzed. If he hadn't received any injuries and got out of the military, do you think he'd be in the public spotlight criticizing (incorrectly) the reasons for war in Iraq?
It has nothing to do with respect for what he has sacrificed. It has to do with respect for what he's doing now. I can respect the person that gave for his country, but not his actions that practically denounce it.
Why We Are In Iraq
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If that's the case
April 2, 2008 - 06:20 ET by Angry AfricanIf that's the case then I apologize. I read your last sentence saying "they are the real heroes" as refering to him as somehow less of a hero. If that was not what you meant then I apologize, but it did read as if you ended by saying he is less of a hero.
I agree with your broader sentiment - that not enough stories are told of those who support the war or those who just fight the war because that is their "job" that they signed up for. And I agree that the media plays with this for political reasons. I agree with all your other sentiments. It was that last line that got me. If I read it wrong - then I apologize. If not - then we disagree on what a hero is.
Coming attraction slip-up?
April 1, 2008 - 14:54 ET by Mica the Magnificent"I wanted to show the ramifications and consequences of either making an impetuous decision . . .without fully recognizing all the angles and consequences that could happen."
With this statement, can a Donahue film about adjustable rate mortgages be coming soon to an IMAX theater near you?
Mica... LMAO! "Never
April 1, 2008 - 15:02 ET by bigtimerMica...
LMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Still Alive!!!???
April 1, 2008 - 14:54 ET by planetrepublicanPhil Donahue is still alive???!!! I thought he died YEARS ago!
LOL Planet
April 1, 2008 - 15:40 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarI thought the same thing. Then I got PO'd for his name being brought up. I had conveniently forgot about him.
And I had such a crush on Marlo Thomas when I was growing up.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
And the Army is supposed to
April 1, 2008 - 14:58 ET by zfAnd the Army is supposed to be like a country club now?
Phil Donahue & Danny Thomas
April 1, 2008 - 15:27 ET by zachlindOld Phil Donahue, still living off Danny Thomas' money.
Extraordinary
April 1, 2008 - 15:28 ET by KC Mulville"If you haven't seen what's going on over there or know anything of it, you really don't get a chance to be a sideline cheerleader. But in the same vain, anybody can be against this war in Iraq because all they want is the troops to come home safely and be used properly as they volunteered to defend the Constitution and the country."
The statement is emotional, but it's also insulting. We have to separate the respect and gratitude for Tomas Young's service from his perspective on the war. I admire the first, but I reject the second. It's insulting to think that anyone who supports the war is a "sideline cheerleader" who doesn't understand what's happening over there, but that anti-war critics can't be wrong because they're only trying to bring the troops home. His premise is that the war was wrong, therefore the sacrifice isn't worth the "price," and that the reason we went to war in the first place was a naive ignorance about what war really means. To be clear, there were plenty of military veterans who've seen the ravages of war, and who nevertheless decided that war was better than allowing Saddam to continue.
It's really easy and cheap to portray the war as a self-serving obsession of George Bush and a handful of neocon cronies. But that isn't reality. The senior leadership of the country ... military and political ... saw the same accumulation of evidence, understood the threat Saddam presented, and given the circumstances, chose to go to war. Senators voted for war. Congress voted for war. Republicans and Democrats voted for war. They did it because at the time, it was the best option. Military veterans who went through the carnage of Vietnam chose to go to war. Not all of them, of course, but enough of them to dismiss the myth that the people who went to war didn't understand what it meant. They knew, and they chose it anyway.
What is becoming more and more clear is that there are huge numbers of politicians, mostly Democrat but Republicans as well, who voted to "win the war," but who weren't prepared for fighting it.
Quick Fact,
April 1, 2008 - 15:49 ET by SlicksterPhil was the first man in America is advocate sitting down to urinate.
Oh, NO BUSINESS!!! Are you
April 1, 2008 - 16:03 ET by marpelOh, NO BUSINESS!!! Are you serious? ROFLMAO
Perfectly done! :)
April 1, 2008 - 16:05 ET by Gary P JacksonPerfectly done! :)
Yeah...it's the same
April 1, 2008 - 19:49 ET by DJEddleYeah...it's the same "chickenhawk" logic that we've seen for years. Couple that with a propaganda campaign to rewrite history and you get liberal documentaries exploiting war veterans and telling everyone that they can't rebut the arguments. Unfortunately for them, the people who are able to read and comprehend the facts will never fall for the fallacies and their attempts to silence their critics.
We know what the truth is and the anti-war socialists who are unconvincingly disguised as "liberal Democrats" will not be able to change it:
Why We Are In Iraq
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Donahue is a disgrace
April 1, 2008 - 16:21 ET by landsharkI respect this guy's service for but it saddens me that he's being used like this. Donahue doesn't give a frog's fat a$$ about this veteran as a human being - he's no more than a hammer to pound the right with.
agreed landshark
April 1, 2008 - 16:34 ET by exLibPhil Donahue is responsible for the "Jerry Spinger" culture.
Rusty Humphries did an
April 1, 2008 - 17:05 ET by QueenMumRusty Humphries did an interview with Donahue one night last week. Donahue spouted the usual anti-war talking points. Humphries challenged him on several of them. Donahue seemed stunned that he had his own "facts" wrong. But he didn't even try to defend himself. He simply had to agree that Humphries was more knowledgeable regarding the facts on the ground since Humphries has been to both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Humphries has a particular personal respect for Donahue and this muted the tenor of the discussion. But Humphries definitely called Donahue out on his "facts". Poor old Phil ended up looking a bit foolish for espousing the typical anti-war rhetoric without a clue re: the truth, despite Humphries' gentle manner with him.
Added: The problem I have with the soldier's story is that he says that he was promised when he enlisted that he would be serving in Afghanistan. (This is what Donahue told Humphries.) I've heard many tales of recruiters making promises they can't keep. But isn't it made known to new recruits that they will be required to go wherever they are asked to go? Humphries asked Donahue a similar question.
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Maybe it's just me
April 1, 2008 - 20:46 ET by landsharkI'm a bit skeptical of claims by disaffected vets that they were promised certain things by recruiters. Some of the things that guys have claimed to have been promised makes me wonder about their level of credulity.
Even if he had been promised Afghanistan, does that mean he would be serving in a "safe" combat zone? A lot of guys get killed in training accidents even - it's a dangerous job.
Ann Curry quoting Sean Penn
April 1, 2008 - 20:54 ET by lhbarnesOnce again - who cares what Sean Penn says or thinks about ANYTHING? Anyone who thinks Hugo Chavez is such a great leader must be smokin' some strong stuff. Maybe Sean should just move down there with him. Baby Huey would take real good care of him.