It's not enough that the media is waving the white flag of defeat in Iraq but now they're declaring yet another war lost. NBC's "Today" co-host Meredith Vieira seemed so convinced that the U.S. had lost the war in Afghanistan she was perplexed when Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai didn't share her assessment of failure. On the Monday "Today" show, in a taped interview, a bewildered Vieira responded to Karzai's statement of victory with: "What have you won?"
The following exchange occurred in the 7am half-hour of the September 24, NBC "Today" show:
Meredith Vieira: "And now to what's being called 'The Forgotten War,' the conflict in Afghanistan. It is a country that lies at the crossroads of the U.S.-led war on terror. Six years after Operation Enduring Freedom began about 15,000 U.S. troops remain in a country that is still gripped by violence. This year, alone, there have been more than 100 suicide bombings, kidnappings are increasingly more common, as well. In total an estimated 450 U.S. soldiers have been killed in a war that has cost U.S. taxpayers $127 billion. In 2004 Hamid Karzai became the democratically-elected president of Afghanistan. On Sunday I caught up with him for an exclusive interview. We talked about the resurgence of the Taliban."
Vieira to Karzai: "A lot of Americans, here, are confused by this, what's going on [in] Afghanistan. They say, 'Wait a minute, I thought we won that war, already and now the Taliban is back? What went wrong?' So I'm asking you sir-"
Karzai: "We won."
Vieira: "-what's gone wrong? You've won?"
Karzai: "Yes, of course we won."
Vieira: "What have you won?"
Karzai: "The war against terrorism. The liberation of Afghanistan. These guys, the al Qaeda, Osama and their associates were running Afghanistan. Today you're talking to President Karzai, elected by the Afghan people."
Vieira: "There's also killings everyday. So how do you reconcile that with this notion we've won?"
Karzai: "We have won because we have defeated them from being the government, now they are the runaways. Outlaws. Hiding in the mountains, in caves."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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No Limit to the Height of Liberal Stupidity
September 24, 2007 - 11:57 ET by gideonmjamesMeredith "The View" Viera asks, "What have you won?"
Karzai should have responded, "What have you forgotten?"
The Taleban was eradicated from power, Bin Laden was removed from his safe haven and put on the run, thousands of terrorist murderers have been killed or captured, democracy has been brought to Iraq, and freedom has replaced tyranny in Afghanistan.
That is a short-list of our victories in Afghanistan.
There are people dying
September 24, 2007 - 12:05 ET by Airforce_5_OThere are people dying violently every day in the big cities of the US to Girlfriend. Maybe we should pull out of them too?
Look a silver lining, find the dark cloud quick!!!!!!!
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Vieira: "There's also
September 24, 2007 - 12:14 ET by MightyMouthVieira: "There's also killings everyday. So how do you reconcile that with this notion we've won?"
Karzai: (should have answered): "You mean like the killings that go on every day in the United States? In some ways we have won more than you!"
Vieira is an arrogant elitist b*tch!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Lost War?
September 24, 2007 - 12:13 ET by TomBobLet me get this right, we have been a representative republic for 230+ years, but everyday 46 Americans are murdered by other Americans, so therefore we lost the revolutionary war? I think Vieira is the confused one... not "A lot of Americans..."
127 billion dollars spent
September 24, 2007 - 12:22 ET by HypocriteHater127 billion dollars spent for 6 years on this war is about the cost of just 1 year's worth of Hillary-care. I'd say that's pretty damn good!
Meredith continues . . .
September 24, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Mica the MagnificentVieira: Oh yeah? Well, did you win with 99% of the votes like Saddam did? Huh?? What have you won?
Karzai: Perhaps I should demonstrate what I just said with these hand puppets. See? They are very colorful.
Vieira: I don't get it. Is that a hand puppet of a badly decomposed dragon?
Karzai: Oh, sorry. That's for another demonstration for the National Press Club. That's a Helen Thomas puppet.
Now that is freaking funny
September 24, 2007 - 12:47 ET by Airforce_5_ONow that is freaking funny I don't care who you are!
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
no, the "forgotten War" is
September 24, 2007 - 12:28 ET by Conservative in the Artsno, the "forgotten War" is Isreal's right to exist.
How many suicide bombings so far this year?
The killings everyday are cheered here in the MSM.
And so many people have already compared these stupid statements to the muder rate of say....Chicago
I can't decide if merideth
September 24, 2007 - 12:39 ET by Free ThinkerI can't decide if merideth is so over the top anti-American or if she is just dumb. Of all the newsreaders she seems to be the most dense and not aware of reality.
Just Dumb is my vote. The
September 24, 2007 - 12:48 ET by Airforce_5_OJust Dumb is my vote.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
she's like the kid sister
September 24, 2007 - 13:57 ET by jezebelleshe's like the kid sister who wants to fit in with the "cool" crowd and shoots off her mouth blindly and blithely follows and regurgitate what they say no matter how stupid.
And the "cool" crowd really aren't that cool.
Gee Meredith Vierra
September 24, 2007 - 13:26 ET by SportPoliticsby your standard every large American city is a lost war. Shall we hear you wail and moan for the lost war in American cities, for all the death and violence in all your great liberal America, with many more murderous deaths than in Afghanistan in an entire year? I sure don't think so.
So, you judge the USA and Afghanistan by your massively biased liberal non-standard.
We won the war Iraq as well, I've been saying it for YEARS, but very, very few people agree, even here.
Even if we believe as you liberal fools have said for years now too, that there is a terrible civil war in Iraq, that very fact does NOT mean we lost the war. Iraq has a new elected government, and the old regime is gone, we have won.
What happens in a nation after our major goals have been met, is not a candy apple ride, and NEITHER is it in your blood and death democratic voting cities of the USA. Face the FACTS lib, YOU LOST, and the USA and President Bush have WON, and so have Afghanistan and Iraq, but you'll never, ever say so.
It's AMAZING how the President of Iraq had to try to wake you up to reality.
Hey Meredith, you biased braindead liberal, have we won the war on terror ? NO, we have not - if you whine we haven't yet won the war against terror organizations, I could agree with you, but your mind is so muddled, there are 3 wars, and since the "war on terror" hasn't been won yet, you CLAIM the other two have not been won either. You are a LIAR, and you are wrong, and there is no doubt you know it.
Is she kidding?
September 24, 2007 - 13:45 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Vieira: "-what's gone wrong? You've won?"
I think the feminist Meredith ough to ask women of that country what it feels like not to be dragged out to the middle of a soccer field and stoned to death or beheaded. Instead they get to obtain and education and participate in the growth and development of their country.
Sounds like a bunch of losers to me. <sarc off>
Merideth Vieira...now thats a loser.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
What part of what Karzai
September 24, 2007 - 16:01 ET by bigtimerWhat part of what Karzai said to you Meredith do you not understand?
We, they... have won!
Simple as that.
Victory Meredith....Victory....stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
The same names come onto
September 24, 2007 - 16:20 ET byThe same names come onto the same topics and make the same over-simplified claims.
If "we've" won, how does that compare to how much we'd won a few years ago, and how much we will have won in another five years?
Are you just happy as long as a war is in progress?
War on terror going a
September 24, 2007 - 16:31 ET by MightyMouthWar on terror going a little slow for ya? Why don't you help instead of bitch constantly?
I know I know, it's much easier to just bitch.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Mighty.... He just can't
September 24, 2007 - 16:59 ET by bigtimerMighty....
He just can't help himself.
MightyMouth, you have a
September 24, 2007 - 17:04 ET byMightyMouth, you have a very appropriate username, but not for the reasons you'd like.
Do you honestly think the "WAR ON TERROR" is an actual war?
Do you think that in the future, people will walk into a war museum, and go through the various galleries; "WWI" "WWII" "Vietnam" "Iran/Iraq" and then find a section called "War on Terror?"
"Do you think that in the
September 24, 2007 - 18:00 ET by Conservative_in_mass."Do you think that in the future, people will walk into a war museum, and go through the various galleries; "WWI" "WWII" "Vietnam" "Iran/Iraq" and then find a section called "War on Terror?"
Actually, I do. What's to say it will not be the case? Just because it is not a "traditional" type of conflict? If there is a group that wishes to someday memorialize this struggle, would you say that's not appropriate?
If there is a museum or memorial established, I am absolutely sure there will be those who will deny the very existence of the struggle (like Holocaust deniers) or those that would throw chemicals on it (such as the recent defacing of the Viet-Nam Memorial).
Yes, there will always be that kind of struggle. There will always be those who take the pessimistic view.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Yes, there will be a
September 24, 2007 - 19:40 ET by BDYes, there will be a gallery on the GWOT. The Marine Corps has already set up a display at their museum at Quantico.
Thanks, BD
September 24, 2007 - 19:44 ET by BlondeI was tempted to say "Yes & Yes" to the troll.
But I was engaging him elsewhere.
I absolutely abhor these idiots who minimize "the GWOT".
Twits of the first order. Okay, I'm going to stop before I go off on a rant.
Regards, BD....and thank you for what you're doing for all of us.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Nodda problem.
September 24, 2007 - 19:46 ET by BDNodda problem.
Do you honestly think the "WAR ON TERROR" is an actual war?
September 24, 2007 - 19:37 ET by MightyMouthhmmm. Let me see... we have the Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines currently deployed in the field fighting terrorists. hmmm... Yep I think that qualifies as an actual war.
You do know what "war" is right? You do know what "terror" is right? So then its war + terror = "war on terror" or WOT if you prefer.
Gee that doesn't seem so hard to understand. What's your problem?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I guess Eyecare would not
September 24, 2007 - 19:45 ET by BDI guess Eyecare would not want displays covering the following.
1). The US involvment in the Boxer Rebellion.
2.) The Moro Rebellion
3.) The US Army participation in building the Panama Canal.
4.) THe whole Indian War.
Guess that sums it up.
BD... Me thinks Eyecare
September 24, 2007 - 19:52 ET by bigtimerBD...
Me thinks Eyecare keeps his Eyes closed to reality at all times from what I have seen since he has been here.
Some critters are like that...always leftists too.
Bigtimer, you are less
September 26, 2007 - 16:51 ET byBigtimer, you are less worthy than a stain.
Next!
eyecares stains
September 26, 2007 - 16:55 ET by mastersofdeceitAnd yet you came back 2 days later to respond. lol!
I'm outta here.
Yes, there will be a
September 24, 2007 - 19:39 ET by BDYes, there will be a gallery on the GWOT. The Marine Corps has already set up a display at their museum at Quantico.
bd, that's great to hear.
September 26, 2007 - 17:06 ET bybd, that's great to hear. How long into the future will it last? These soldiers need to be recognised in 10, 20, 50 years too.
Half the people on this site say that the war is won; the war is over; that victory was a couple of years ago, and the Iraqis are free.
How do you tell the family of a soldier who was killed this month? How do you honour those soldiers? Are they in the same war, as the one that was won?
Do you honestly think the
September 24, 2007 - 19:48 ET by PeskyDaneDo you honestly think the "WAR ON TERROR" is an actual war?
Even by the obnoxiously undemanding standards of a lib, that was a stupid thing to say... or even to think - and that's (generously) presuming that you folks actually have "thoughts."
Eyecare
September 24, 2007 - 19:57 ET by SportPoliticsMaybe your liberal smart mouthed idiocy would be pleased and you'd feel comfortable if it was called "The War on Terrorist Organizations" ?
I know your side, the idiot sniping, snide, moronic, smart aleck liberals have said thousands of times "terrorism is a tactic, you can't have a war on a tactic" - because they have a "simpleton" issue with the wording "war on terror", as well as a traitorous issue with "whom does the terrorist label apply to" .
Do we need to have a Presidential Executive Order renaming the war on terror to the war on terrorist organizations so you flummoxed retards can feel like it isn't "contradictory" ?
It's just a tactic, right, there are no organizations, it's "grass rooters" springing up like so many dandelions...
I guess they never had "training camps" - because you can't make war on a "tactic", right, you moronic jackass ?
"The base" never had a base, right ? Berger and slick and richy a clarke and matty never decided to not hit Binny in his camp because "53 women and children were present and could be injured or killed", right ? One of the DUMBEST decisions the libs have made, but I'm sure they have made the same one a thousand times over since that.
Vieria is just a script reader
September 24, 2007 - 16:03 ET by c5thenThe real twit is the producer who wrote the intervire questions. Neither one actually know any history to put any of this in context. The British attacked the United States in 1812 to try and re-take the coloies that they had lost. Does that mean that the Revolutionary War was then lost because of a resurgence of hostilities? What would Vieira and her producer say if they found out that the British took Washington D.C and burned the Whitehouse in 1813?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com
c5then
September 24, 2007 - 20:04 ET by SportPoliticsThey would say Michael Moore was right, and that shock and awe was wrong, and that it spared only the Oil Ministry, and the Iraqi's deserve to win like our founding freedom fighters did.
That's what they would say.
Another MSM Interview
September 24, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Steve08080Do you expect anything less from the typical MSM interview? She's not a reporter/journalist. She's just a talking head that's handed the liberal talking points and told to "go". Sad, very sad.
No Limit to the Height of Liberal Stupidity
September 24, 2007 - 16:54 ET by gideonmjamesMeredith "The View" Viera asks, "What have you won?"
Karzai should have responded, "What have YOU forgotten?"
The Taleban was eradicated from power, Bin Laden was removed from his safe haven and put on the run, thousands of terrorist murderers have been killed or captured, democracy has been brought to Iraq, and freedom has replaced tyranny in Afghanistan.
That is a short-list of our victories in Afghanistan.
Alternate Universe Theater
September 24, 2007 - 17:13 ET by nkviking75Imagine this interview in an alternate universe, where MSM types get the responses they deserve.
Vieira to Karzai: "A lot of Americans, here, are confused by this, what's going on [in] Afghanistan."
Alternate Universe Karzai: "Perhaps if your American media made some effort to report facts rather than spinning fantasies to fit your agenda, a lot of Americans would understand perfectly what's happening in Afghanistan."
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
"Perhaps if your American
September 24, 2007 - 17:16 ET by bigtimer"Perhaps if your American media made some effort to report facts rather than spinning fantasies to fit your agenda, a lot of Americans would understand perfectly what's happening in Afghanistan."
Bingo viking.
BINGO
September 24, 2007 - 17:29 ET byCouldn't agree more.
Too much spin has been going on for too long, trying to make the unjustifiable wars sound better to the allied nations. If there was more truth, the troops would be at home by now.
Oh, and you're right about the clowns too. Look what happened!
Eye
September 24, 2007 - 17:32 ET by BlondeYou have a homework assignment.
Go defend the "VOTERS don't support the troops" assertation you made earlier.
You're wimping out.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
OK, then. Point me to the
September 24, 2007 - 19:13 ET byOK, then. Point me to the "earlier" post. I can't see it on this thread.
Dizzy
September 24, 2007 - 18:07 ET by nkviking75Nice job of spinning, Eyecare. You've obviously made yourself dizzy.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Disgraceful
September 24, 2007 - 17:54 ET by stratmanEither Viera was troubled by the destruction of the Buddhas of Baymani by the Taliban, the essential enslavement of women by a rigid fundamentalist code and the harboring and supporting of terrorists within Afghanistan, or, she is completely oblivious to history and current events... even when she's in front of a camera and has a staff to research topics beforehand.
Her astounding ignorance/revisionism in pursuit of a dangerous Leftist ideology, especially when displayed publically to the brave elected leader of a democratic country, should earn her a swift boot to the arse.
Side Comment: My bet's on Viera supporting La Raza, a match made in the toilet.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
doublepost
September 24, 2007 - 19:41 ET by BDdoublepost