Hardball Panel Sympathizes With Hillary Over College Letters

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By Geoffrey Dickens | July 30, 2007 - 18:41 ET

Judging by the media's reaction one could assume the Hillary campaign isn't displeased by the release and subsequent publication by the New York Times of her college letters. During the roundtable portion of tonight's Hardball the media panel dissected how her letters during her college days affected her campaign and they mostly agreed they only serve to help humanize the notoriously cold candidate.

Joan Walsh of Salon.com declared: "I think they're intensely humanizing...So I thought there were a net gain, positive, for her." Walsh even encouraged her own daughter to read them for inspiration: "I have a teenager, so I want her to read them and remember, you know, it's, that we all have days like that."

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Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post also picked up on the "humanizing" theme: "The interesting thing about those letters is that she is, Senator Clinton was not unlike other, other teenagers back then or even now. And as I was reading the, the Times story on the letters I wondered if, if Hillary Clinton, if there's a Hillary Clinton out there today, this conversation would be done via IM or text-messaging and there'd be lots of LOLs and emoticons all over the place. And so I have to, I have to agree, this does humanize her and just actually, kind of, makes Hillary Clinton to be just like any other introspective, thoughtful teenager."

Substitute hosting for Chris Matthews, Mike Barnicle also sympathized with the young Hillary: "I felt badly, I tell ya, I felt badly for her, reading the letters. I wanted, I wanted you know, say lighten up! Have some fun! You're in college, what is this?"

The following is the full exchange as it occurred on the July 30th edition of MSNBC's Hardball:

Mike Barnicle: "Welcome back to Hardball. Time now to dig into today's hottest headlines with our political panel. Salon.com's Joan Walsh, The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart and the Weekly Standard's Matt Continetti. First up, Letters From A Teenage Hillary. Hillary Clinton's detractors might peg her for a cold, political machine but newly released letters that Hillary wrote to a friend, in the sixties, tell a different story. The hand-written letters depict an introspective, sometimes self-loathing, sometimes tortured emotional teen. In one note to a friend she writes, ‘Sunday was lethargic from the beginning as I wallowed in a morass of general and specific dislike and pity for most people, but me especially.' In another she asks, ‘Can you be a misanthrope and still love or enjoy some individuals? How about a compassionate misanthrope? Is this a new dimension to the Hillary we've all come to know? Joan Walsh, did you read the letters in the Times?"

Joan Walsh: "I did read the letters, Mike, and I think you put your finger on something. I think they are a new dimension. I think they're intensely humanizing. You know Hillary is somebody who's been depicted as this over-achiever, kind of cold, certainly a superstar. She came to public attention, you know really, as a college student with that famous Wellesley commencement address. She was, she went to Yale Law School. She worked for the, Senate, the Watergate panel. She married the, you know, the man who turned into the governor and then the President. There's not been a lot of hardship, except for, in her marriage, I suppose. She's like a person who was born with a silver spoon, politically, not, you know she's middle-class."

Barnicle: "Yeah."

Walsh: "So I think the letters showed her as a person who really struggled and, and is, who's actually much harder on herself than other people. There are no secrets. There's nothing degrading. There's nothing that, you know, you might, you might want to hide."

Barnicle: "Yeah."

Walsh: "So I thought there were a net gain, positive, for her."

Barnicle: "The thing that's surprising about the letters, Matt, was that A.) She wrote them so consistently to this one guy over a period of a year or a couple of years. I wouldn't want anybody seeing anything I wrote when I was 16. But-"

Matthew Continetti: "That's precisely the point, Mike. I mean here Hillary's used to having the press invade her private life, sometimes because of her husband's own actions but you wonder why people are sometimes discourage to enter public service, it's because they don't want the New York Times publishing letters they wrote as a talented 16-year-old on its front page. This level of invasive journalism is really kind of, makes me roll my eyes, to be honest."

Barnicle: "You read the letters. I sort of agree with that, actually. I sort of agree with you, Matt."

Jonathan Capehart: "Well what about the guy who collected the letters and then-"

Barnicle: "Kept them."

Capehart: "-kept them and, and handed them over."

Barnicle: "I'd want to know where he lives."

Capehart: "But you know what? The interesting thing about those letters is that she is, Senator Clinton was not unlike other, other teenagers back then or even now. And as I was reading the, the Times story on the letters I wondered if, if Hillary Clinton, if there's a Hillary Clinton out there today, this conversation would be done via IM or text-messaging and there'd be lots of LOLs and emoticons all over the place. And so I have to, I have to agree, this does humanize her and just actually, kind of, makes Hillary Clinton to be just like any other introspective, thoughtful teenager."

Barnicle: "Joan and you know when, when I saw the story and began reading the story, part of me said, you know do I really want to read this? Because the, the invasion of privacy thing is one thing but, you know, what does this, what, what if anything, did this tell you about Hillary Clinton? These letters? Other than the fact that she was, you know, a very well-educated 17, 18-year-old young woman at Wellesly."

Walsh: "You know, I think they show her to be a more sincere person than a lot of her detractors depict her as, Mike. I think you saw the struggle, you know, from a Goldwater Girl to a liberal Democrat, even beyond liberal, for a time, I would say. I think you saw that it was authentic. I think you, I think it really made her seem like somebody who grappled with real, internal issues, even sometimes demons, although you know, when we're teenagers everything seems like a demon."

Barnicle: "Yeah."

Walsh: "So I think we, I think we did gain something in our understanding and I don't begrudge the Times for-"

Barnicle: "I felt badly, I tell ya, I felt badly for her, reading the letters. I wanted, I wanted you know, say lighten up! Have some fun! You're in college, what is this?"

Walsh: "Right."

Barnicle: "My God! I mean, you know, the end of the world is coming. You hate your father, stop it! Go out and get drunk on a weekend."

Walsh: "Well I have a teenager."

Barnicle: "Yeah."

Walsh: "Right, I have a teenager, so I want her to read them and remember, you know, it's, that we all have days like that but mostly it's a time you should be having more fun, actually."

 

—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.

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Is Mike Barnicle sure that

Is Mike Barnicle sure that George Carlin didn't write Hillary's letters?

I was so wrong about

I was so wrong about Hillary - she is so sweet and beautiful - I love her now so much now...

Her heart is so warm and wonderful - not cold and evil like I thought from all of her speeches and actions and everything else one usually goes by...

Now I know that as president she would be the warmest, cuddliest, cutest, gentlest president ever!!!!!

But all the while kicking terrorist ass of course - as these letters secretly demonstrate in some magical way too...

But damn what a women! She is totally hot now to me. Especially with the cleavage thing and all...

She is like a sweet and vulnerable, yet totally cleavage hot, terrorist ass-kicking super-goddess - and these letters sure a hell prove it to me no question whatsoever...

And none of you Karl Rove hypocrate, young republican, afraid-to-go-to-Iraq, chicken hawk NB jerks better try to argue otherwise with me no siree bob...

I mean it now>:(

OK, on the hotness, just

OK, on the hotness, just think...kankles, and ashen, caved in cleavage. OK, better now TruthMonger?

 On the cuddly ass-kickin', yeah, she can go cuddle in Amsterdam, whilest we elect a real president. Thompson, Guliania, Hunter, any of em. ;) 

Tough calls - I just luv

Tough calls - I just luv her that's all:)...

Hillary is so suh-weet to me now!!!!

Yummy...!

Bad Puddin tonight TM?

Man !!! What's in your puddin ?

Oh, at this point, if it

Oh, at this point, if it were shown that Hillary may have murdered someone in college, the MSM pundits would say that it showed she has "passion" and is "tough". May as well give up... 

 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Pretty sad that anyone is

Pretty sad that anyone is worrying about humanizing a so-called woman after 15 or more years in the media spotlight......

You can't humanize a creature of Satan, no matter how hard you try.

BT, They tried humanizing

BT,

They tried humanizing Al Gore by upgrading his software, but obviously that didn't work... :)

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

LOL Chris... ...or his

LOL Chris...

...or his style of attire...

Nothing worked for the mad-man no matter how hard he tried, Naomi Wolfe, Kiss for Tipper, Global Warming, Buddhist Monks in Hacienda Heights, pay-offs with the airline industry, stealing Indian votes with bribes, illegal immigration arm in arm with Hillary.... and all that jazz...

Is this What You Were Thinking?

Succubus:

1.
a demon in female form, said to have sexual intercourse with men in their sleep.

2.
any demon or evil spirit.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

1. a demon in female form,

1.
a demon in female form, said to have sexual intercourse with men in their sleep.

So, THAT'S what keeps Robert Byrd going??!!

I'm not sure there is

I'm not sure there is enough Viagra to make a difference for that  reprobate either awake or asleep.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

She's a "shape-shifter". 

She's a "shape-shifter".  One day she's "black" and down with the homies in the deep South, the next she's ALL "she-man, hear her roar".  She's strong on national defense by voting on the war upon the SAME intel information the President had, and yet, she was horribly "tricked" by that Nazi.  She's strong as steel, but don't frighten her frail feminine stature by crossing the stage to counter her. She's an independent woman who knew exactly who/what she was/is married to, yet, she's every wronged woman's victim idol.  She's "the smartest woman in the world", but was supposedly the last to know her husband was one of the biggest d*cks in the world. She's a pro-abortion on demand for convenience feminist who believes every child of every irresponsible and stupid parent should be raised by a village.  She's for freedom, but wants to TAKE profits from (oil) companies.

Sort of reminds me of  Randall Boggs from "Monsters, Inc." ...

drill.... ROFLMAO! Thank

drill....

ROFLMAO!

Thank you...thank you...thank you.

Hillary is the devils work....

Period.

}}}----> genius, drill

Bravo  Bravo

They are just counting (or

They are just counting (or really hoping) on the fact that not many people will read the whole rambling, tiresome, egotistial, pretentious, narcissistic, claptrap, socialist blather she wrote.

I could tolerate a Democrat in the White House(Like mebbe Lieberman or say Zell Miller)....but God save us if it's this cow.....

Now, this might sting just a little bit.....

She can' be elected thrice

She can' be elected thrice dang it!

The good Lord wouldn't force that on us now would he?

Hillary

I am totally beyond amazed at this media push to "humanize" this (so-called) person.

Quite frankly, who gives a rat's a$$ at her level of whatever as a college freshman?  Angst?  Teenage angst?   Sheesh...spare me!  I had a better childhood than HRC, and I'd not splash it around for any kind of advantage whatsoever.  She's a twit!

This whole little sidebar over Hillary's college letters is just as fakey as her stupid cleavage (trust me when I tell you...she had no college angst, just as she has no cleaveage).

This is a perfectly placed media piece....shoved in our faces to garner sympathy for Mrs. Bill to show her as a "normal" person.

There is nothing normal about Hillary.  She is evil personified...a self-aggrandizing, power-mad demon.  The only thing that matters in her world is HILLARY.  Don't ever forget it, NB buddies.

We can laugh all we want...but there a zillion idiots out in America who buy this crap like it's....ta da....Zepherhills Water!

Don't forget....don't ever forget.

 

 

Tell us how you really feel

Tell us how you really feel Blonde!!!

Only the cutesiest, drivel can come out from behind the Shrillary iron curtain, for the little people to croon over her as the next coming. Give me a friggin break. How phony baloney can she get???

In addition to her being the Demon, Blonde, she is a Socialist who will go far beying the economic and social nightmare created by the Nobel Peace Prize winning peanut farmer ninny.

Hold on to your hats and get the word out, Shrillary needs to be put back in her squirrel hole in upstate NY, forever.

Let her go work at the useless UN, for some pointy headed dictator, from a third world hell hole, she'll fit right in.( of course we should then cut off all funding to that useless, anti-American organization. OK, of point, sorry.  ; )

All true, Blonde

But let's just say, for the sake of argument, that those letters were actually written 'from the heart' of Hillary Rodham forty years ago in college.  So what?  Forty years later, she's a cold, calculating politician skilled at poll reading and looking like she's on the right side of every issue when she needs to be.  Forty years is a long time.  It has no relevance to who she is today.  Another fake ruse by her loyal minions in the MSM.  And as you say, too many Americans will soak this up. 

Exactly Scout... Just

Exactly Scout...

Just another well timed Hillary plant.

A lot of people will see through this all.

Nobody really cares in either party IMO...not gonna make a lick of difference.

Those that detest her always will, those that don't will vote for her.

That simple.

Quite, Scout. My

Quite, Scout.

My letters...some twenty-five years ago or so (if I'd written any) would be about some kind of angst that I'd not made the turn on the water-ski course  (huge crash, of course!)....and had blown it with the cutest blond guy on the opposing team. We had cute guys in Florida on the water-ski teams back then...LOL!

This is a big fat media lie (yet another one) from her highness....teenage angst.  As if....what seventeen year old agonizes over the state of the world when desiring to be noticed by the cutest guy in school?  Hillary was dreaming about getting laid....just do some judicious substituting with the words here.  This whole "letters" thing is laughable.  Sick, but pitiful. 

Let's point out how sick and sorry it is!  Shout it out.  Maybe in the next YouTube debate....do you think I could get it under the radar?  I'll give it a shot...."Gee, Hillary (she goes by that so can't be offended when I call her by her first name)...when you were in High School, you wrote some particularly painful letters.....weren't you really just inviting someone to take you away to a better place where your husband raped and pillaged, and where you got to cover it all up?"

Hillary was a disgustingly ugly frog in college.  With big fat caterpillar eyebrows.  Well, maybe all she had to worry about back then was the state of the world...it certainly wasn't about a date on the weekend...not looking like she did.   IMO, her new botoxed and siliconed thing isn't working, either.

She is such a FAKE troll. 

I can't wait for the total meltdown.

 

Caterpillar eyebrows...........!

Now that's funny stuff!  What I really want to know is, where's the really good stuff we'd all like to see that Hillary Rodham Clinton has stowed away in a private lockbox?  You know, the college paper honoring Saul Alitsky, famous Communist/Socialist?  C'mon, Hil!  Let's relive the glory of your college days completely!  Like the game we all played back then called "Truth or Dare"!  I dare ya, Hil!

Scout, So glad you caught

Scout,

So glad you caught my little bit of sarcasm about the caterpillar thingy.

I'd play truth or dare with Hillary.  Or stare her ugly a$$ down.  She is such a disingenous troll...it makes me hate (view that "hate" in HUGE bold words) the fact that she's running as a "female" for the highest office in the land.

She is the skankiest, nastiest pol we've had run for this office in a really long time.  A self-loving POS.  I don't really care what color jacket she wears, nor whether she ever puts on a skirt.   She's the SKANK of the world.

 

LOL...You'd have to omit

LOL...

You'd have to omit the word truth when it came to anything associated with Hillary Scout...she learned well from Alinsky. 

Yeah, bigtimer.....

It's Alinsky, not Alitsky.  Doh!  I forgot to Google.  Her thesis paper is safely locked away from probing, truth-seeking eyes for now.  Apparently reliving the glory days of college for Hillary is a sporadic thing.  Like everything else, she only reveals trivialities that she has studied, parsed, cleaned up, and made pretty for media consumption.

BTW:  Good link.

Hey Scout.... LOL... I

Hey Scout....

LOL...

I wasn't correcting your spelling I knew who you meant that is for sure...I have read so many books about this evil creature I knew it well.

I put the link in for others to read about her and her ties to him... it was a good link from Freepers!

I know, BT

You weren't correcting me.  I was correcting myself.  Anyway, you led me to a good link on Alinsky.  Would that all these Americans getting the warm fuzzies over Hil's cute little college love letters read up on who Hillary's true soulmate was.  Thanks again for the link.  And a hat tip to Freepers.

Dear Diary,Today I met

Dear Diary,

Today I met this dreamy guy named Bill.  He said, "Nice glasses, babe" ... hee-hee-hee!  Tomorrow after pottery class I'm going to meet him for herbal tea and non-gluten pastry at The Zen Tea House.  He's soooo groovy! He says he wants to be president some day! I can't help but imagine I am his wife, and I redecorate the whole White House in avocado shag carpet and daisy wall paper!  We'll replace the Presidential Seal with the peace sign!  We'll turn this evil capitalistic country into a utopia Karl would be proud of!  OH! I'm so excited I can hardly sleep!

 Mrs. Bill Clinton ... Mrs. Hillary Clinton .... Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton ... Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton ... Mrs. HRC ... Mr. William Jefferson Rodham ... President and Mrs. Clinton ... President and Mr. Clinton ... President and Mr. Rodham Clinton ... Pres. HRC ... Pres. Hillary Rodham ...

Oh, I have it all planned out!

Until tomorrow, Dear Diary ...

BFF,

Hillary

drill, That is evil in the

drill, That is evil in the extreme.

I AM LOVING IT!

Seriously, though, what's up with this teenage angst from HRC?  We're supposed to imagine this?

What a load of swamp fever crap!  If Hillary was ever a "normal" teen...I was a crazy person (well, of course I was...but it matters not).

What is it with the MsM that makes them try to paint this HARPY as a normal person?  She's about as dysfunctional as they come. 

Seriously, I wish we had alien visitation here....and they'd take HRC away.

This woman is too bizarro for words.  Well, at least my conservative words.  I just want her to melt down and go away.

...........................

Sorry, Drill.  I'm still LMAO!  Best laugh I've had all day!

Paging Lorne Michaels at SNL!  Great idea for SNL skit!

}}}----> A Hillary makeover

I'm sold.  How about you?

These letters sold me on the "Hillary is a real human being" angle.

And it took an honest to goodness journalist to tell me how to respond to her letters.

Remember, you heard it here

Remember, you heard it here first.  I stopped watching SNL years ago when it stopped being funny.  Reruns now, I suppose.  The new season should start in a couple months. Let me know if they rob me blind? ; ^ )

Dear Diary, Well, it's

Dear Diary,

Well, it's our one month anniversary, and Bill asked me to marry him!!!!!  EEEKKKKK!  I can hardly believe it!  He's been such a gentleman these past weeks.  Never an unwanted advance, even after he's had too much to drink!  I really think he respects me so much ... He says I am such a strong and independant woman that he couldn't possibly offer me anything less than an "open marriage".  He says he only wants my happiness ... GOD! He's so amazing!

Bill says he wants kids.  He's so smart and into new technology.  He said he wants us to be technological pioneers and try something new called In Vitro Fertilization.  Being the modern feminist, liberated woman that I am I said "YES!" I'm going to the campus library tomorrow to look up books on it. It's all very exciting!

We're going to have the best marriage ever!  Bill says he won't be able to make it to the White House without me.  He says I am the smartest woman in the world!  That NOBODY could ever get anything past me! Lord! I don't want to let this man down!

Until tomorrow, Dearest Diary!

Soon to be Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton ... xoxo

drill,

LMAO....that is about the funniest thing I've ever seen posted here.

The very next time I am somewhat tempted to channel Hillary...I'm going to put a big SHOUT OUT to you.....

Drill....Drill....help me here...I can't do it without you!

I am in the ditch laughing! 

Okay, "Dearest Diary".  You own HRC now. 

I can't wait to see what you do to her next!

There's a poster here...."owned" who shows up once in a while.  If he were here tonite...he'd say..."drill, I'm owned  by you"!

 

Puhhhleeze, Blonde!  HRC

Puhhhleeze, Blonde!  HRC can NEVER be owned ... Only rented ... out.

drill, You are more

drill,

You are more amazing than I can fathom! 

Someone who puts HRC down even more efficiently than I can!

I bow down to your genius!

Next time...let's join up to put her down.  Kinda like a sad old dog.

Kudos, drill!  You rock!

 

Dear Diary, Well, mine

Dear Diary,

Well, mine and Bill's little bundle of joy finally arrived today!  A beautiful baby girl!  That In Vetro Fertilization is really amazing technology!  Absolutely wonderful what humans can do when they put their minds to good use.  Bill calls me his Little Virgin Mary ... hee-hee-hee! Someday maybe we'll actually be able to clone humans.  I'd love to clone Bill! That way I can have him home more often.  He's such a busy man, especially way into the nights.

Oh, we've decided to name the baby Chelsea ... Bill says he has such wonderful memories of the time he spent in beautiful Chelsea while attending school in England. Sounds like a wonderful place.  I must visit it sometime.

Diary, we are so happy.  We fit together like two pieces of a puzzle.  Bill's going places, and I'm holding on for the ride!  So, we're going to be very, very busy.  I won't be able to talk with you as much ... You'll just have to keep up with the newspapers.  I have to run now.  I need to go to the library to get a book to translate Arkansas to English ... Y'all!  Is that right?  Boy! It's sooo hard to understand!

Damn! Is that the baby crying again?!  Why can't I get the help in this house to understand it takes a village to raise a child?  Hey! That might make a great book title someday!

Hugs and Kisses,

Hillary

drill, You are a wicked,

drill,

You are a wicked, wicked woman.

I hope you are living in a domicile which is protected from HRC...I'm worried about you.

Your take on this is spot-on! 

 

 

Not to worry ...

I've got a male Chihuahua that I raised as a Doberman. He knows how to handle a bitch ...

Sorry, near midnight and the day's coffee has worn completely off ... Running on pure, grating metal on metal now ...

Gawd! That woman brings out the jihadi in me! NB will probably put me in detention for all of this. Gitmo sounds good.  I hear the food's great!

Mike Barnicle

Old plagiarists never die they just go on to cable TV.

The MSM really takes care of their own, don't they?

Fired is a credential in the MSM

Yeah poco, how is it leftists who got fired, are at the top of the MSM game?

 

 

My guess is that there are

My guess is that there are so few of them that they keep recycling the old ones.

 The MSM's painstaking

 The MSM's painstaking attempts at trying to humanize, and transform the Hildabeast, into a quivering, warm pile of emotion, are laughable. I am sure these letters were carefully sifted through, and screened for content, to make Hillarious look as Saintly as possible.

  I am sure Trotsky, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Zedong and Pol Pot  have written heartfelt, introspective, letters from their youth also.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

Exactly

Exactly Blaze...

Perfectly planned.