The War on the War on Christmas
Every year, millions of Christians that celebrate the birth of their Savior are faced with the attacks on Christmas - "holiday trees," atheist ad campaigns and even outright blasphemy in mocking nativity scenes. To Christians and conservatives, the evidence is overwhelming. But in recent years, the left and the mainstream media have actively denied that the war even exists.
From the hard left gang of current and former MSNBC personalities to CNN hosts to Huffington Post writers, the watch words have been "fake" and "phony" and "ridiculous." With varying degrees ire, they've blamed Fox News and the "Christian right" for the "manufactured outrage" at attacks on Christmas.
2011: The Battle Continues
But just how "fake" is this war on Christmas? The Culture and Media Institute has compiled a short list of the attacks on Christmas that have occurred this year alone.
The most sacrilegious attack this year comes in the form of a Christmas television special set to air in Canada, that features the home-made porn star and household- name Pamela Anderson starring as the Virgin Mary.
The most widely-known U.S. attack on Christmas 2011 comes from none other than the governor of Rhode Island, Independent Lincoln Chafee. Sporting his political correctness cap this year, Chafee has renamed the state house Christmas tree a "holiday tree." Chafee's decision frustrated Rhode Island Republican state representative Doreen Costa, who called Chafee a "Grinch" and decided to erect her own Christmas tree to compete with his tree. "The governor defended his decision by arguing that it is in keeping with the state's founding in 1636 by religious dissident Roger Williams as a haven for tolerance - where government and religion were kept separate," the Daily Mail reported.
In upstate New York, one school district has declared that "Christmas and Hanukkah will no longer be celebrated in classrooms." According to FOX/WROC, The Batavia City School District will no longer allow decorations for either holiday to appear in classrooms as well as teachers are discouraged from writing or saying "Merry Christmas." In Fairfax County, Va., grade-schoolers are treated to "winter celebration."
In Texas, another school district has declared war on Christmas - this time, classrooms are not allowed to celebrate Santa Claus or exchange gifts. Even those in Santa hats that wish to do good are being discouraged - yes, Mills Fleet Farm Stores in Wisconsin have banned the Salvation Army bell-ringers because allowing them on property could "open the floodgates to others," said company co-president Stewart Mills Jr. However, Mills later reversed the ban, calling the initial decision "unfortunate."
Even our "tolerant" Federal government is playing the Grinch card this year. According to FoxNews.com, "A group of Christmas carolers was thrown out of a U.S. Post Office in Silver Spring, MD, after the post office manager told them they were not allowed to sing Christmas carols on government property."
There are plenty of examples from the recent past documented by the Culture and Media Institute. In 2009, Manhattan clothing retailer XOXO upped the Christmas raunch factor by displaying young models in "window theater" to attract buyers by undressing and dressing one another.
That same year across the pond an eco-celebration took place instead of a Christmas one, when a 33-foot cone was used in place of a Christmas tree in Poole, Dorset, U.K., in order to bring awareness to "health and safety" issues.
A year earlier, there was a pornographic display of the Virgin Mary in Playboy Mexico. The cover read "We love you Maria" and featured a model in nothing but a white sheet covering her head and breasts.
Comedy Central featured comedian Denis Leary in a one hour feature titled "Merry F-ing Christmas" in 2005 which Leary's routine included references to alcoholism, drug use and sexual misconduct.
The list goes on, but it's not enough for the secular liberal media to recognize a pattern. They prefer Denial and blame-shifting.
What War?
Not surprisingly, the media have gained their talking points from left wing blogs that suggested the "war on Christmas" has spawned from the imaginations of those on the right.
CNN correspondent Carol Costello openly admitted that her biased ideas about the war on Christmas came from none other than The Huffington Post. On the Nov. 30, 2011 "CNN Newsroom" broadcast, Costello said:
"Fox News, as it does every year, went crazy….I know, it's ridiculous, depending on how you look at it. As political reporter Jason Linkins writes on The Huffington Post, 'There is no war on Christmas, never was.' He goes on to write, 'in fact, many Christians, myself included, register a basic level of annoyance at the way the Christmas season now stretches back into October because we don't really need a basic reminder of how to properly celebrate the birth of Christ or his divinity on the account of the fact there is a basic concept called faith that we keep in our hearts ... Is there really a war on Christmas?'"
Speaking of The Huffington Post, it recently managed to document a battle in the war on Christmas while simultaneously pooh-poohing it. Peter Orvetti detailed the latest action in "the annual fight over the Loudoun County Courthouse lawn."
As Orvetti explained, in 2009, reacting to agitation by atheist groups, the county banned all seasonal displays from the courthouse lawn, including the nativity scene that had been there for many years. That was subsequently moderated, and 10 displays per year would be allowed, first-come, first-served, for anyone who wanted them.
"This year," Orvetti wrote, "all the spots were nabbed by March, with most taken by atheist and humanist groups, and two by the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Another spot featured a skeleton Santa Claus, crucified. It was "intended to comment on the commercialization of the holiday."
Yet after all that, Orvetti dismissed the incident as "a flash point in the ginned-up 'War on Christmas.'" If anyone is ginning-up the war on Christmas, Orvetti himself just gave them plenty to work with.
CNN's John Avlon let his true feelings show on "The Situation Room" on Dec. 15, 2010 when he barked, "I mean, what is absurd to me and sad is that the whole phony, manufactured outrage on the war on Christmas has jumped from talk radio to the US. Senate … But this is just such manufactured outrage … phony political gamesmanship … tired of some of the games that they are seeing."
Dependable liberal Alan Colmes appeared on the "Imus in the Morning" show on Dec. 1, 2011 saying, "Are we having a phony war on Christmas again this year and drum up with the idea that liberals have on Christmas …"
If it's not phony, then it must be meaningless. Richard Wolffe on MSNBC's "Politics Nation" on the Nov. 1, 2011 broadcast said, "They've got meaningless stuff like this which, like the representative said, nobody is questioning. I don't know where - it's like the war on Christmas. Who is waging this one?"
It wouldn't be a textbook liberal argument without a "psycho" right wing enemy. Indeed, the liberal media have called those who acknowledge the war everything from "paranoid" to "psycho," and their so-called war, "phony," "manufactured" and "fake."
Target: Fox News
MSNBC's favorite loudmouth, Ed Schultz, didn't mince words about those who "believe" in the war on Christmas. On his Dec. 21, 2010 show, he said, "And in 'Psycho Talk' tonight, the brain wizards over at 'Fox & Friends' took a quick break this morning from wining about the war on Christmas to launch some cheap shots at the Obama administration's counterterrorism efforts."
Two days later, guest host Cenk Uygur, apparently unable to come up with anything original for the same "Ed Show" segment, said, "This Fox News obsession with a non-existent war on Christmas is the very merry psycho talk."
Jonathan Alter carried the war-on-Fox torch into the Dec. 16, 2010 broadcast of Hardball, saying, "These guys are playing the Christmas card … it reminds me of what Fox did. Remember the war on Christmas? They tried to stigmatize liberals by saying that they were anti-Christmas or something."
And no "war on Christmas" attack would be complete without a hit on Bill O'Reilly. On Nov. 18, 2010, Keith Olbermann said on "Countdown," "Does this mean the war on Christmas is over? Last night, Bill O'Reilly took a victory lap … This is when the paranoia runs as deep as possible and they work into the frenzy that we're used to seeing this time of year, every year. We can set our clocks by it."
Bogeyman Republicans
Fox News couldn't be acting alone in creating the imaginary war. It must be in cahoots with those fiendish Republicans. "Plus, the vice president steps into it with the Republicans' war on Christmas vacation …" Ed Schultz said on Dec. 16, 2010 on the broadcast of "The Ed Show."
According to Schultz's MSNBC colleague Keith Olbermann, not only was it the Republicans' war, but they were "enraged" about it. On "Countdown" on Dec. 15, 2010, Olbermann spouted off that, "… Republicans are now enraged about the war on Christmas vacation."
Even more sinister, the "Christian right" is in on the plot. "These days, the war on Christmas is fought by the Christian right … [Catholic League President] William Donahue and Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, traditional combatants in the war on Christmas, have trained their Yuletide guns on someone, not for railing out put the Christ back in Christmas, but for failing to worship Santa Claus," spat Olbermann on "Countdown" on Nov. 13, 2010.
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...hehe, every time 'they' mention Christmas...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 2:56pm.
...every time 'they' mention Christmas... they mention His Name!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Good point! I've always
Submitted by okie-pastor on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:23pm.
Good point!
I've always wondered where the expression of merry X mas came from and
When it started and for what purpose. Is 'Christmas' too much to say in one breath?
What if we started saying happy X-giving or have a happy X of July.
The MSM needs just to visit Newsbusters archives to see examples of the war on Christmas.
The constant demands for the removal of the Cross, the ten commandments, nativity scene.
I just preached a message that included all these things titled: Living right-side up in an upside-down world!
"Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil, that put light for darkness and Darkness for light; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter" - Isaiah 5:20
"...wondered where the expression of merry Xmas came from... "
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:34pm.
Actually so was I until I came across this...
Xmas" is a common abbreviation of the word "Christmas". It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as "Xtemass", originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for "Mass",[1] while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as "Christ".[2]
There is a common misconception that the word Xmas is a secular attempt to remove the religious tradition from Christmas[3] by taking the "Christ" out of "Christmas".
in the 1948 Vogue's Book of Etiquette states that "'Xmas' should never be used" in greeting cards.[6] The Cambridge Guide to Australian English Usage states that the spelling should be considered informal and restricted to contexts where concision is valued, such as headlines and greeting cards.[7] The Christian Writer's Manual of Style, while acknowledging the ancient and respectful use of "Xmas" in the past, states that the spelling should never be used in formal writing. - wiki
I don't like in particular, but it's not as secular as one might think.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Yeah, I read that on
Submitted by okie-pastor on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:44pm.
Yeah, I read that on wickepedia.
But why are followers of Christ (x) never refered to as X-tians?
Or let's go to the church of X?
This might be a stretch
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:32pm.
This might be a stretch on my part, but I always thought the X was also sometimes referred to as a Cross, as in "cross it out" or a cross (cross to bear) and figured that's the symbol for Christ and it's short-hand for Christmas, X-Mas.
I never really looked it up though. Like I said, it's a stretch.
-Jon
X is for Chi is for Christ
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:55pm.
The first letter of Christ, in Greek, is CHI which is represented by X.
Therefore Xmas is an abbreviation for Christ; I guess technically it would be C-mas in English.
Yes, Chi or X has been used
Submitted by celator on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 7:27pm.
Yes, Chi or X has been used to represent Christ in the past, in some situations. However, with the campaign of secular activists, X means exactly what they want it to mean--to X Christ out of the season. You can ask the next 1,000 people you meet what the X in XMas. See how well they know Greek.
I know you mean well, but X is Greek for Christ!
Submitted by russedav on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:01pm.
It's the first letter of Christ in Greek and was used by Christ's Church to abbreviate His Name in the days when abbreviation was frequent/common, needed to speed up copying, so IHCOUC XPICTUC (transliteration:JES(o)US ChRISTUS). I'm sure some intentionally think they're taking Christ our of Christmas by thinking they're using the English X as a substitute, but such Johnny-come-latelys are, as usual, behind the times, co-opted by Christ's Church most of two thousand years ago. Also, the IHC of some churches isn't the "In His Service" some imagine, but rather the first three letters of Jesus as seen above. One final note, many anachronistically use the modern sigma (Σ=s) that resembles an E with 45 degree angles for the middle, but the older version of sigma used at the time of Christ was rather the same as our modern capital C. Those who know the great things Christ's Church has done are gladly aware that the stupid illiterate world has nothing to offer her and those who opine differently only do so out of the gross stupidity and ignorance that runs this sad world quickly sliding back into the vile, infantile degenerate animal barbarism from which the Christian faith rescued it. Only the God on Whom we've turned our foolish backs can save us now!
...ironic too that the 'war on Christmas' article has Santa...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:06pm.
...has an x'ed out Santa Claus on it! We are not talking about the 'war on Santa Clausmas' but Christmas.
hmmm... gives me an opportunity to say "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus". In fact he was a pretty great guy!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
The bad stuff that happens around this time..
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:06pm.
Like layoffs, are always called Christmas layoffs, but the good things are usually referred to as Holiday Shopping!
Similar to the courthouse
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:19pm.
Similar to the courthouse displays of contempt, there is this from Santa Monica;
http://moonbattery.com/?p=5628
The atheists formed their own coalition and won most of the coveted spots reserved for Christmas displays in a park. They, however, supposedly have only used one or two, leaving many vacant (One of the atheist 'occupyed' sites only contains a depressingly bland sign declaring the Solstice. There's that joyless progressive disheartening of Americans plan in full effect...again). I recommend clicking the link just to see the photo, it's perfectly analogous to leftism, being as it is, wrapped in fencing, a perfect picture of hopelessness and banality. They, IMO, had no intention of creating any displays, instead, like spoiled children, this was a movement to just prevent others from expressing themselves.The left's 'tolerance'....what a perverse lie. It is clear from this action that liberal atheists aren't simply 'non-believers', they are 'haters of God'. They are, in fact, haters of light, joy, and their fellow man.
This incident brings new meaning to the liberal media joke, 'Nothing to see here....move along'.
Yes they are...
Submitted by OuttaMyWay on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 11:15pm.
Atheists are not as anti-Christian as much as they are pro-Humanism. That gets forgotten that they have their own religion, and they made it up and it is all about themselves as their god.
OuttaMyWay
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 11:27pm.
I've seen this type of comment before - that atheists make themselves their god.
That seems a bit odd to me.
If an atheist is someone who asserts that there is no entity which has the characteristics typically attributed to God, then how does it follow that they have to believe that they themselves have those characteristics?
I don't believe in unicorns. Am I somehow then obligated to believe I am a unicorn?
Of course there's a war on Christmas
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:37pm.
At a nearby high school, the band parents sell trees as a fund raiser. In previous years, they were selling 'Holiday Trees'. This year, it just says 'Fund Raiser' on their sign. How ridiculous! It's as if using 'Christmas' is offensive. Offensive to whom?
Is it a 'Holiday Candlestick Holder' - I don't think so... and it would be offensive for me to rename a Menorah a 'Holiday Candlestick Holder'.
Wait for it... we'll soon have a Holiday Party at the White House right? (I don't think they usually call it a Christmas party). But it's OK to have an Iftar Dinner in August, a Ramadan dinner in September, and a Hanukkah Party in December. I guess religion is only offensive if it's Christianity.
Don't buy trees from "Holiday Tree" lots.
Don't buy cards that say "Happy Holidays" .
The left can deny it all they want but aren't they one's who started this war.
"The left can deny it all
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:51pm.
"The left can deny it all they want but aren't they the ones that started this war."
Yes - and it reeks of the same strategy of radical islam. Murder innocent civilians and then make accusations of 'islamophobia'. We have to remember what liars they are. The left has been whining about 'bi-partisanship' but when a recent group of Republicans AND Democrats joined to oppose payroll tax-cuts on Andrea Mitchell's show, she had no praise for bi-partisanship, only fretting that they were attacking her messiah. There are many similar examples, they have an aversion to facts, they would lie when the truth would suffice.
Wars make strange bedfellows...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:09pm.
Don't buy cards that say "Happy Holidays".
Were you one of those who were grumbling about the Bush presidency joining forces with the insurgents in the War On Christmas?
Jer
...from your link Jer
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:33pm.
A spokeswoman for Laura Bush said while the first couple celebrates Christmas themselves, they wanted an inclusive greeting to be respectful of other traditions.
"Their cards in recent years have included best wishes for a holiday season, rather than Christmas wishes, because they are sent to people of all faiths," Susan Whitson said.
I am o.k. with that. It's a personal thing. Just as Christianity is not a religion but a personal relationship, with the God of the universe.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
No, not buying them isn't
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:40pm.
No, not buying them isn't enough, we must ban them. Like when the NAACP discovered Hallmark's evil plan to sell graduation cards that said "Black holes" and the warning to "watch your back" from these same black holes. Banning and legislation is the only way to go, it's what the left would want us to do.
Seriously, how much crack do you have to smoke to think greeting cards are after you?
I don't know, ant...are you asking me or
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:57pm.
rwnewsnut?
Jer
I see...
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:32pm.
Seriously, how much crack are you smoking? When did I ever say greeting cards are after me?
As a consumer, I can choose to buy the Christmas cards I want. I choose to buy Christmas cards that say 'Merry Christmas' and I have suggested others do the same.
If you don't have anything that forwards the discussion, why don't you just stay on the sidelines and observe?
Thanks
I'm busting Jer's stones, not
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 6:49pm.
I'm busting Jer's stones, and the NAACP's, not yours. Sarcasm doesn't read as well.
In that case, ant...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 8:29pm.
Would you please clarify your comment. I understood the sarcasm, but not your point...especially this one:
"Seriously, how much crack do you have to smoke to think greeting cards are after you?"
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/12/13/war-war-christmas#n...
Jer
edit. Wait....that refers to the NAACP. Got it.
Yeah,Jer..remember that one?
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 8:40pm.
Yeah,Jer..remember that one? A talking card with 'galaxy' puns and plays on words regarding planets and such and somehow, someway, the NAACP found racism in "black holes", that's the kind of paranoia only fierce stimulants could bring. The post wasn't really a cut on you, at all,.....just instigating.
Right, ant...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 8:57pm.
I remember a flap over greeting cards and that the racist claims were lame, but I had forgotten the details. Another example of playing the race card--literally.
Jer
Ooops
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:54am.
Sarcasm reads fine - I totally missed it. Sorry.
Jer, All your link does is
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:57pm.
Jer,
All your link does is prove what many of us Conservatives have said. George W. Bush was a Republican, but no where near the Conservative that the Left loved to claim he was.
Bush was wrong for sending out Holiday Season cards. he bought into the political correctness and multiacultural crap.
Your link does nothing to disprove that the War on Christmas from Atheists, Liberals, Democrats is not real.
I was one of those who always grumbled and educated the Left when they claimed that Bush was a Conservative. Are you still one of the "educated" Leftist who claims that Bush was/is a Conservative?
I don't think I ever claimed Bush was
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:59pm.
a Conservative--at least not consistently conservative.
Jer
If I was Jewish I'd have been
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:41pm.
If I was Jewish I'd have been upset because he lite all the wicks on the Menorah at the same time.
That's funny, newsnut....the
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:01pm.
That's funny, newsnut....the other night we were watching a show on the Food Network and the theme was a "tree-lighting" ceremony. The host went the entire hour without ever mentioning what kind of "tree" (didn't even use "holiday" tree) was being lit. He just kept saying "tree-lighting ceremony." I guess someone, for no discernible reason, decided to have a party and light up a tree! LOL
Sad
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:28pm.
Thanks - There are examples all around.
Disingenuous
Submitted by MrLuigi on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:42pm.
There's been a war on christianity for years (just ask Tim Tebow) the war on christmas is just one of its manifestations. To suggest otherwise is laughable.
Peace on Earth Good Will Towards Men?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:26pm.
No, not peace on Earth, at least not until He comes again to reign, but peace for the believer only:
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
...because - Luke 2:14
Even though some other ancient Greek manuscripts (and many medieval ones) agree with the edited Codex Sinaiticus, most modern scholars and Bible translators accept the reading of the majority of ancient manuscripts,[5] translating as "on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests"[2] (NIV) or "on earth peace among those with whom He is pleased"[10] (ESV).
The Douay-Rheims Bible, translated from the Latin Vulgate, derives from the same Greek text as the original Codex Sinaiticus, but renders it "on earth peace to men of good will."[11] In the New American Bible, this is updated to "on earth peace to those on whom His favor rests."[12][13] - wiki
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
That's the way i have looked
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:43pm.
That's the way i have looked at it. Peace comes to those that believe,.
Mr.Luigi, There has been a
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:22pm.
Mr.Luigi,
There has been a war against Christmas since the day Christ was Crucified and there will be a war against Christmas until the End of Times. It will never end. We Christians must hold on fast and defend our Faith, our Beliefs at every chance, but it will be a never ending battle as long as the World is around. This a Truth all of us Christians must come to understand and acknowledge in order to find peace in this Earthly and temporary world.
These idiots in the news and
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 3:55pm.
These idiots in the news and on the Left. I took my son out of the public school for many, many reasons. One being incredibly poor and I do mean poor and terrible curriculm. It was horrific and pathetic. And this is one of Chicago's supposedly best public school districts. The second reason?
Last year during the public schools Holiday Concert---yeap not Christmas concert, they did not sing one song about Christmas. The closest the school got was singing the "We Wish You a Merry Christmas..." but guess what..the school changed the words and the kids instead sang, "We Wish You a Happy Holiday..." it was so outrageous that my now 5 year old daughter said in a very loud voice, to the point of screaming, "MOMMY, DADDY, THEY HAVE THE WRONG WORDS...IT IS, "WE WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS..." Many in the audience applauded my daughter!!!! It was classic.
Maybe I should have fought the public school administration, but instead, at the end of last year, I took my son out of the public school and today he is enrolled in a private Roman Catholic school.
There is a war on Christmas and Christians are losing. I do not care if a Muslim tells me Happy Ramadan or if a Jew wishes me a Happy Hannauku(sp), why do then others who aren't religious care so much when they hear, Merry Christmas? I make it a point to say it in all stores and to all my friends and work collegues!
MERRY CHRISTMAS NB AND ITS MEMBERS!!!
I don't really subscribe to
Submitted by BosTarus on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:52pm.
I don't really subscribe to the whole "war on christmas" thing-I feel it's a great example of confirmation bias. Highlighting handfuls of obnoxious examples of PCism, and disregarding the vast majority of normal Christmas celebrating.
I'm not denying that there are cases of obnoxious holiday time political correctness. But whether that constitutes an all out war is debatable. BUT to claim that "Christians are losing" is an outright stretch!
It's diminishing the many places in the world where people are suffering genuine persecution based on their faith (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.)... and there are far too many places where a person cannot actually celebrate Christmas. So to say that you're losing the fight here in America, because you have to suffer a WalMart greeter wishing you a "Happy Holiday" is pretty insensitive to the places where people have to hide their bibles.
Christians are still the majority here-and the vast majority of us celebrate Christmas happily despite an atmosphere of creeping political correctness.
Also, A Very Merry Christmas to you! And a Happy Holiday!
Bos Tarus, Have you studied
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:09pm.
Bos Tarus,
Have you studied Spanish history, especially the period that led to the Spanish Civil War? it was horrific what the anti-Catholics did to Catholic priests, nuns, bishops, monks and known devout Catholics or anyone who was thought to be a Catholic. Do you know how it started? It was small at first, mocked for saying Merry Christmas, mocked for joining a seminary, the government passing laws that forbade the teaching of Catholicism in public schools (sound familiar?). In fact, it is a mirror image of what is going on today here in the USA. There, it escalated to the point where priests were murdered, Catholic Churches bombed, nuns raped and murdered. Of course, this is a repeat of what has happened in once tolerant nations which became intolerant of Christians. It happened in Mexico during the Cristero Wars, it happened in France during the French Revolution and it has happened in many other nations through out human history.
History is repeating itself, but we have individuals who deny what is going on. The only conclusion I can come to is that since we are no longer taught history in the USA, people can't see what is coming.
You say that it is pretty insensitive for me to say we are losing the war on Christmas in the USA because there are places where people have to hide their Bibles (capitalize it please). Hmmm...geez, American public schools do not allow the reading of the Bible in a public school hours during study hall. Our American government does not allow a high schooler during a public school graduation ceremony to have freedom of speech and pray the Our Father or thank Jesus, God, Virging Mary publicly. Countless of students have had their microphone turned off during a graduation speech because they "dared" thank God, Jesus, Virgin Mary. You minimize these by merely calling it, "atmosphere of creeping political correctness" talk about insenstive and sticking your head in the sand.
Please don't lecture me. You may do yourself some good and pick up a history book or two. I think it is pretty insensitive of you and you show a lack of knowledge with your comments.
Christians are the majority, but to have to celebrate Christmas with ANY type of political correctness, which of course we have gone well beyond political correctness, shows that the USA is going down the same path that many countries have taken. History is repeating itself and we can't see it because we no longer are taught history. SAD!
Well, let's face it ....
Submitted by MissMinPhx on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:14pm.
most people don't celebrate the Christian aspect of Christmas anyway ... to most, it's just another reason to overspend and max out their credit cards. Sure, to us practicing Christians, we celebrate Christmas as a holy day - but as gifts and trees are not a major part of that religious celebration, I could care less whether they call it a "holiday" tree or a "Christmas" tree. Most are not celebrating Christmas as a holy day, so I don't even view their celebration as the same holiday as mine.
But that said, as a journalist who writes about "holiday shopping" and "holiday programs" quite a bit, I use the word "holiday" rather than "Christmas" because there are two other fairly major holidays in December that people shop for. I think politicians, schools, etc. like to celebrate the "holiday" season to be inclusive of all three holidays that are celebrated this month as well as the fact that not every one celebrates Christmas as a holy day. I don't see it so much as a "war on Christmas" but rather simply acknowledgment that people have different beliefs and different traditions and we need to be tolerant of that. As a Christian, I cringe when people celebrate Christmas even though they don't believe in Jesus as our lord and savior, but it's a free country. They are welcome to their beliefs and frankly, retailers need the business.
And I cringe when folks use
Submitted by BosTarus on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:33pm.
And I cringe when folks use St. Patrick's as an excuse to get drunk! "Everybody's Irish on St. Paddy's day!" NO YOU'RE NOT!
Ha, sorry. Yeah, there are definitely 2 Christmases celebrated-the commercial Christmas and the real Christmas-which lasts into January (though you'd never know it if you only paid attention to the commercial version-which ends at 10pm on the 25th).
And when I say "Have a Great Holiday!" it's not just from a place of inclusiveness, but also convenience. I'm wishing them, not just a great Christmas, but a Happy New Year and the time in between. It's the same way people might say "Enjoy the Holiday Weekend!" when saying goodbye to co-workers on the eve of Memorial Day or Labor Day weekend. I'll say Merry Christmas if its the day of, or the day or 2 before. But I'll say Happy Holidays if its further in advance, just to cover the whole time period.
The Christmas Season ends on
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:12pm.
The Christmas Season ends on February 2nd with the Feast of the Baptism of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, well past Jan.
MissMinPhx
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 7:20pm.
I know - non-Christians getting together with loved ones - friends and family - enjoying each other's company - that sure is cringe inducing to me.
Nothing wrong with getting
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:21pm.
Nothing wrong with getting together with family and friends. However...
1) You can do this any time of the year.
2) If you do not celebrate Christmas, if you do not believe in Jesus, God, Virgin Mary, you have zero business using it for your own personal gains. But that is what I often find from the Atheist, non-Christians who love to attack Christianity. They love attack it when it is inconvinient for them, but the second it benefits them, they embrace it.
Yes, do not use Christmas to fulfill your personal needs if you do not believe in Christ.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:40pm.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "personal gains" or "personal needs".
Could you clarify?
As for celebrating Christmas - well, you would agree that over time, a secular aspect to Christmas has developed which (as far as I can tell) has nothing to do with the religious aspect of Christmas - things like Christmas trees and Christmas presents and Christmas decorations and lights and stockings and all of that stuff.
Do you object to a non-Christian family embracing those secular aspects of Christmas?
Hydro, Personal gains or
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 2:55am.
Hydro,
Personal gains or personal needs? Like taking time off or using the Holy Day, which you do not believe in as an excuse to party or get together with your family or to get or give gifts.
Yes, some have secularized Christmas, more so in first world nations. But just because some have done this, it is no excuse for us Christians to do everything within our power to bring back the strong Spiritual aspect of Christmas.
the Christmas tree, which some Christians say it represents eternal life, is mostly a secular symbol brought from Germany. However, in Latin American nations and many other nations, a lot more emphasis is placed in a Nativity Scene. Being from Venezuela and my father from Spain, while we always put up a Christmas tree, the center of attention was not the tree, but the very elaborate Nativity scene with the Virgin Mary, Joseph, Baby Jesus, the three wise kings which is celebrated on Jan. 6 (in many Latin American nations, Spain, Phillipines, this is a huge, huge Holy Day).
As for the gifts. These are not secular at all. 1) they represent the gifts that the Three Wise Kings gave to Baby Jesus. 2) These also represent the gifts that a very holy man, St. Nick, gave to the poor in his village. St. Nick, in fact, is the basis for Santa Clause. At the end the gifts represent the joy we Christians feel at the Birth of Our Lord, Baby Jesus. So, the gifts is not a secular thing.
Yes, I do object to non-Christian families embracing any part of Christmas and using it for their personal satisfaction. If you are going to celebrate Christmas, use it as an excuse for vacation or a family gathering, you need to honor the reason why Christmas exists, the Birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. If you can't or won't, you have zero business celebrating this Holy Day.
Christmas is a Christian Holy Day. It would be like me attempting to take part in Ramadan or Hannukah. I have no business with any of these two holy days for Muslims and Jews if I have no intent in ever become a Muslim or Jew.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 4:11am.
Well, I don't see how getting a day off of work or getting together with friends and family or exchanging gifts represent "personal needs". Maybe you can explain in more detail exactly what you mean by that term.
As for "personal gains" - well as you pointed out, non-Christians can get together whenever they want and can give gifts whenever they want (much like everyone else) so I don't see what specific personal gain their is which is necessarily tied to Christmas in either of those activities. Again, maybe you could elaborate.
As for the day off - well, I suppose non-Christians can go to work that day and non-Christian children could try to go to school that day but since schools are closed and most businesses are closed that day, I don't see that non-Christians have much of a say in that matter. Am I missing something in making this observation?
Given your views about holy days, should I assume that you object to Christians taking Saturdays off - since, as I understand it, Saturday became part of the weekend specifically to accommodate the Jewish Sabbath? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.
But if not, have you ever taken a Saturday off from work?
And out of curiosity - if a non-Christian is part of an otherwise Christian family, should that non-Christian - in your opinion - avoid his or her family at Christmas time? What if about half the family is non-Christian - should they make separate plans during the Holliday Season?
Hydro, 1) Saturday offs in
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:06pm.
Hydro,
1) Saturday offs in the USA has nothing to do with being a holy day. It has more to do with Labor Unions.
Now if you are a Jew, Friday night and all of Saturday or holy, but not for a Christian. Thus, I do not need to take Saturday's off. But in the USA, Saturdays off has to do more with labor unions fighting for an 8 hour work day and 5 days work week.
2) When past jobs, mainly during high school and college, required me to work on a Saturday, i worked on Saturdays. Unless a Holy Day in the Roman Catholic Church fell on a Saturday, I worked Saturdays. In fact, throughout high school and part of college I worked almost every Saturday of my life.
My current professional job does not require me to work on Saturdays, but if it did, I would work on a Saturday. However, in order to get work completed I have in occasions worked on a Saturday or two in a month. I have zero problem work on Saturdays if needed.
Sundays, I never work on Sundays. I have never worked on Sundays. It is a Holy Day and a day of Rest in the Roman Catholic Church, my Faith.
3) As I said, you can get together with family when you wish. Just do not celebrate a holy day of a religion you do not believe in. I am unsure what is so hard to understand about this.
If you are not a Christian, if you do not believe in Christianity, if you bash Christianity, if you hate Christianity, if you mock Christianity, you have zero business celebrating Christmas. Period.
If your family gets together, well out of respect for your family you should respect them, specially mom and dad, and visit them and be with them during this very important Holy Day for them.
As I said, I have never seen a non-Jew or a non-Muslim celebrate one of their very important holy days.
But you tell me, why would a non-Christians who mocks Christianity, the birth of Christ, God, etc. celebrate Christmas? An individual doesn't believe in God, or the Son of God, Jesus, but he/she celebrates the birth of an individual he/she do not believe exists? Talk about being crazy and wacky.
Interesting how there are Atheist and non-Christians who celebrate Christmas, you know the birth of the Son of God, Whom they do not acknowledge that exists. That is the meaning of crazy and a nut job.
The problem is that people have come to believe that Christmas is merely about getting together with close friends and families and exchanging gifts. Sorry, Christmas is so much more and I mean so much more than merely this.
4) and by the way, voluntarily taking time-off, vacation for example, and a business or school closing are two completely different things. The latter you do not have a choice and it is not up to you. The former you do have a choice and it is up to you.
Thank you Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:09pm.
Anybody who was only slightly confused about your point, certainly is now.
Cool Arrow, Well, I
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:12pm.
Cool Arrow,
Well, I understand. Radical, lying wackos, such as yourself, are easily confused individuals.
My $.02*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:18pm.
I agree that Cool Arrow does have some issues with the Catholic Church and is not always respectful. However, your defense of the Catholic Church is often an embarrassment for using the same tactics.
Cajun2, This coming from
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:42pm.
Cajun2,
This coming from someone who ripped apart Henry Clay, but sided with Cool Arrow when BOTH said exactly the same stupidity and lies against the Roman Catholic Church. Gotcha, hypocrite. Talk about embarrassing yourself.
Cool Arrow is a wacked out, crazy nut job who goes nut when ever anyone dares defend the Roman Catholi Church. The nut job has had it out for me for years now and I mean years. I ignore the crazy anti-Catholic tool and he makes it a point to bash me and attack me, as you can see above. He should have been banned a long time ago like Trach. NB has a policy that Cool Arrow loves to break. However, unlike you, I feel he is free to speak as he wishes, using whatever words he deems best represent his radical, wacked out, crazy point of view. I am not the Speech Police on NB reporting members who break NB rules.
I am being charitable with him because believe me, I could be much, much worse.
Radical wackos such a Cool Arrow need to be shown for what they are, hypocrites, radicals, nut jobs and crazies.
I am being charitable with
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 2:10pm.
I am being charitable with him because believe me, I could be much, much worse. - Then you would not be any better than the ones you accuse...
Radical wackos such a Cool Arrow need to be shown for what they are, hypocrites, radicals, nut jobs and crazies. - Cool's not as bad as you think, he and others probably feel they have good reason to question the RCC because of the priest thing, and other perceived hypocrisies. If you want to represent Christianity from a RCC point of view, I suggest you do it in a more gracious way.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc13, Thanks for the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 4:04pm.
vrwc13,
Thanks for the advice.
Cool Arrow and anyone else who feels like it have the Right and Freedom to question what ever organization, religion, institution, individual they like.
I have the Right and Freedom to point out the flaws, lies, half-truths of individuals like Cool Arrow.
And funny, how Cool Arrow and his allies, the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NOW, NARAL, the Liberal media etc. give a pass to pedophilia and other perceived hypocrisis in Protestant churches, Judiasm, Atheism, secular world. All places where pedophilia and other perceived hypocrisis happen at much higher percentages than found in the RCC. No, their problem is not with what you mention, their problem is with the teachings, Dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church.
LL*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 9:43pm.
Just to clarify. Henry Clay and Cool arrow did not post the same offensive disrespectful post. Clay made derogatory reference to the sacraments.
Cool Arrow does have issues with the RCC. That is his problem and he is known at NB as a bigot similar to your stance though on the other side of the tracks. You insult anyone who dares disagree with you. That, to me is not even close to being a Christian let alone a Catholic.. At least, not my Catholic Church.
Since you show an obsession with this issue and resort to insults, it is futile to even discuss any issue with you and I have no further intention of doing so.
Merry Christmas
Cajun2, Nope, Henry Clay and
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:15am.
Cajun2,
Nope, Henry Clay and Cool Arrow both used the same line of attack against the RCC. You ripped one apart, Henry Clay and supported the other, Cool Arrow. Just like I have seen you stay quiet when an NB friend does something wrong, but then you will stand up to the person who is at the receiving end of ridiculous insults.
I have treated Cool Arrow's words with the respect they deserve, period end of story. The funny thing is, Cajun2, that I have seen you insult people you disagree with, but shoot, i guess it is ok for you to insult those whom you disagree with, but not for anyone else. And you speak about my behavior not being Christian, Catholic? Really?
You know, I could use the same little game of yours and claim that your pathetic behavior here and in the past when it has come to others attacking the Church and you siding with them or staying silent, being a hypocrite and a liar is not Christian, much less Catholic, at least not my Catholic Church. but I do not have a feeling of superiority like you. You know better than I whether or not you are a good Christian, a good Catholic.
I do not know your heart and you do not know mine. But you seem to believe you know my heart.
You see Cajun2, as a Roman Catholic, the Roman Catholic Church is my Family. Much like I would rip apart anyone who lied, spoke in half-truths about my biological mother and father, any of my six siblings, my wife, my children, I will take on any pseudo-intellect who peddles lies and half-truths about my other Family, the Roman Catholic Church. I will not stand on the side lines, as you did, when individuals lie about what happened in Inquisition or call an obsession defending your family. I find it sad, very sad individuals who go to Mass, practice their Faith and then when any pseudo-intellect that they respect comes and starts attacking the Church with half-truths and lies and the practicing Cahtolic, who should know better, stays quiet on the sidelines and worst, gets angry at anyone who dares stand up to the insults that are being thrown at his/her Family, the Roman Catholic Church.
Tell me, Cajun2, since when is it biggoted (nice use of Liberal language) to defend one's family. Never have I attacked with the same vitrol and hatred Cool Arrows religion, not even once. but you call my defense of the Roman Catholic Church biggoted? Talk about Orwellian and upside down world you live in.
I don't know you, Cool Arrow or anyone else here. I do not hate you, wish you harm. I hope and pray you guys to reach Heaven and do very well in life. But it does not mean that your hypocrisy, lies, half-truths will not be met with disagreement and a fight.
You too have a Merry Christmas.
⇒ Wow Liberallies!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 9:54pm.
How many hours ago did I make ONE post, more aimed at your convoluted logic than anything else, and you're still on a butt-hurt rampage?
Cool Arrow, are you honestly
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:54am.
Cool Arrow,
are you honestly this slow and dumb? Yes, I know you are. Just a rhetorical question.
Hmmm...I replied to two other posters who were addressing me and only one post was directed at you.
But what can I expect from someone who enjoys lying about the Roman Catholic Church and Her teachings. What can I expect from someone who will not condemn pedophilia outside of the RCC, but loves to attack the Church.
⇒ Liberallies does it again
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:33am.
We're in a thread about the war on Christmas, and Liberallies wants to talk about child molesters.
LL, why are you so set on making this about pedophiles?
Is that something you spend a lot of time fixating on?
Cool Arrow, Really? my
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:47am.
Cool Arrow,
Really? my pseudo intellect, really?
Cajun2 brought up your attacks against the RCC, not I. I just replied to her.
All I did is call you a liar and pseudo intellect in my first post here directed at you. Never said a thing about pedophilia. Reading-comprehension still not your forte.
Who is the one who always makes his first posts on an RCC forum on NB about pedophilia? Cool Arrow!
Who is the one who constantly mentions pedophilia in RCC forums? Cool Arrow!
My poor delusional, pseudo-intellect, stop projecting.
Show me, LL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:08am.
Where did Cajun bring up pedophilia?
I CAN show where you brought it up.
I'm still trying to find anybody in this thread who brought it up befpre you did at about 3:00pm
Cool Arrow, My goodness, my
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:16am.
Cool Arrow,
My goodness, my poor tool, with each post you put up, you certainly show that stupid is your middle name.
Hmmm..so when Cajun replied to my original post to you and she said that she knows you have some issues with the RCC, she was talking about how you have issues with how the Pope dresses and the Popemobile, right? rrrrriiiiiggghhhhtttt. HAHAHA!!!
Get the heck out of here with your pseudo-intellect and attempt at playing, gotcha. You aren't half as smart as you believe yourself to be. But don't worry, I know you can't admit this to yourself.
you are incapble of posting in an RCC forum without mentioning pedophilia and now your projecting. Just admit it, you are obssesed with pedophilia and are projecting your feelings to others. How sad of you.
Ignoranus Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:28am.
My original post was in response to your inability to present a logical post.
Now, you're once again lying to defend your faith. It was neither I nor Cajun who brought up pedophilia, but you.
Cool Arrow, Your original
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:00am.
Cool Arrow,
Your original post to me shows how obssesed you are with me. Scary if you ask me. Please get some help for your obssesions.
My origional post to you on this forum had nothing to with pedophilia.
Cajun2 brought up your issues with the RCC. Again, you and I both know that one of your main issues is pedophilia. Of course, you enjoy lying and are not man enough to admit this. You and I both know that when she referred to "issues" she was talking about pedophilia along with other problems you have with the RCC. But your main issue with the Church, at least as you present yourself here on NB, is the horrific pedophilia that occurred. But of course, your pride, very much condemened in the Bible, at least the Bible that I read, unsure about yours, is a sin. But you prefer your pride over admitting the Truth.
Now you are the one who is lying to cover up for his obssesions, radical and wacked out behavior.
And I am lying to defend my Faith? eh? geez kid, is this the only line of attack you have when you failed at all other ones? You always end up using this when you can't prove any of your lies. Please tell me, is it too late for you and you need to recharge your batteries or something? This can't be your best, can it?
Not talking about my Faith here, pseudo-intellect. I am talking about the facts, the posts. But I know since you are obssesed with me and the RCC, it is easy for you to confuse the facts and what is being said.
I do not wish to understand your obssesion with pedophilia. I am not the one whose first post on every RCC forum is about pedophilia. I am sorry that you feel the need to believe that others are as obssesed with pedophilia as you.
Pathetic my young padwan, pathetic.
Sick puppy!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:01am.
Would you please quit talking about pedophilia? I don't like to think about it nearly as much as you obsess over it.
Cool Arrow, still obssesed
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:15am.
Cool Arrow,
still obssesed aren't you? Please for your sanity, seek help, ok? You'll be such a better individual if you go see your psychologist.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:04pm.
I'm having some trouble following your argument about Saturdays.
At first you assert that taking Saturday off has nothing to do with it being a holy day but then you acknowledge that it is a Jewish holy day. You acknowledge (implicitly) that the reason we (Jews and non-Jews alike) take Saturdays off is because Labor Unions recognized it as a Jewish holy day - which is why it became part of the non-work weekend along with the Christian holy day Sunday - and you don't deny that you have taken Saturdays off yourself.
But you object to non-Christians taking Christmas off despite it being recognized as a federal holiday and so understood to be a non-work day.
There seems to be an inconsistency is your argument. Perhaps you can correct that and get back to me.
And I'm not sure what your point about voluntarily taking time off is (your point 4). Are you suggesting that non-Christians shouldn't be allowed to take vacation time off around Christmas? Or are you just saying that you find it objectionable that non-Christians would have the nerve to use some of their vacation days during the Holiday Season when just about everyone else in this country - Christian and non-Christian alike - has time off from work and so makes coordinating visits easier?
As for your questions about why non-Christians would celebrate Christmas...
You seem to like to lump non-Christians in with people who mock Christianity and perhaps, in your mind, being a non-Christian is - in and of itself - the same as being a person who mocks Christianity. And given how often you accuse folks around here of being anti-Catholic, that wouldn't really surprise me. But, of course, that isn't true. It does, however, make sense that you would attempt to make all non-Christians into Christian haters because it lends weight to your assertions that non-Christians who celebrate Christmas are in some sense crazy.
But the obvious fact (which you, oddly, actually acknowledge later in your post) is that non-Christians see Christmas as an opportunity to get together with loved ones and spend time with people who are important to them. To you, apparently, this is some sort of "problem".
Explain to me how a child in a non-Christian household opening gifts on Christmas morning is a problem? Or a family of non-Christians sharing a meal together or exchanging gifts is a problem?
You know what - don't bother.
Next week, as I'm enjoying the Holliday Season with those I care about, your objections to my actions probably won't cross my mind. But if by chance they do, I'll raise my eggnog and whisper a silent prayer to Santa Clause that he might bring you a pair of pliers so you can pull that big stick out of your arrogant, condescending ass.
Merry Christmas Liberallies.
⇒ That's easy, hydro
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:09pm.
According to Liberallies, it's not holy unless Liberallies says it's his kind of holy.
Cool Arrow
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:32pm.
I fear that I might have become a bit short with Liberallies near the end of my post.
I do feel awfully bad about that.
Were this Facebook, I would
Submitted by BosTarus on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:34am.
Were this Facebook, I would have *liked* that post.
Hydro, What's the matter
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:09am.
Hydro,
What's the matter Professor, upset that you were called for using Christmas for your own personal needs?
Tell me, why do you get together with family to celebrate the Birthday of a Being you do not believe exists? talk about a crazy individual. Are you sure you teach college kids or the asylum allows you internet time that you spend on NB?
Why would any sane person celebrate with family, raise a glass of eggnog to a being they do not believe exists?
You are certifiable my friend.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:03am.
Um, I don't get together with family to celebrate the Birthday of a Being I don't exist. First off, I do believe Jesus Christ existed. And second, I already explained why non-Christians might get together around Christmas time.
Do you need a link to one of my posts above or do you need me to draw you a picture?
And please - keep insulting my teaching credentials - it just makes you look like the total asshole that you are.
Cool Arrow, Ahhh....but
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:17am.
Cool Arrow,
Ahhh....but remember, Cool Arrow, as you once told me. It is not Christian unless Cool Arrow decideds is Christian.
Much like it was ok for you to derail a forum a few weeks back, it is ok for you to decide what something is or it is not. but careful if Cool Arrow feels that someone else does what he constantly does.
Fool.
Learn some reading comprehension, son. It is Holy regardless of what you, me, Hydro thing. It is Holy regardless of who celebrates it or not.
The problem is those who use Christmas for their personal satifisfaction, but constantly deny God, Christ, etc. individuals like Hydro.
Poor little Hydro is hurt and his panties are all up in a twist and his hot and bothered under his skirt because he doesn' t like the fact that I pointed out that individuals like him use Christmas, much like they use others in their life, for their own personal gain and satisfaction.
⇒ Are you lying, Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:58am.
If you are telling the truth, I will banish myself from NB for a year.
Your post is, "Cool Arrow, as you once told me. It is not Christian unless Cool Arrow (sic) decideds is Christian."
I hereby demand you prove I said that, or apologize for lying.
What I did say was "According to Liberallies, it's not holy unless Liberallies says it's his kind of holy."
Cool Arrow, HAHAHA!!! you
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:01am.
Cool Arrow,
HAHAHA!!! you know as well as I that this can't be proven since the Old NB is not accesible.
Much like Mitt Romney, you are putting forth a worthless bet.
You have a short memory, you forget how you and Trach, years ago, lectured me how Catholicism is not Christianity. You lectured me how the bible that I read is not the real Bible. You've lectured me how the Teachings of the Church are not Christian teachings.
Demand all you want, pseudo-intellect, but the facts are facts.
Cool Arrow decides what is Christian and what is not, but my goodness, how upset he gets when he feels others decide things.
You cry when anyone, but you, derails a forum. But Cool Arrow can derail forums.
You decided what is Christian or not. Now get out of here with your silly bet. You know the old NB is impossible to access. Not that you do not know this. But nice try.
You should have been banned a long time ago, along with Trach, for constantly breaking NB rules/policies.
LL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:10am.
How is it we serve the same G-d, and my G-d never tells me to lie in defense of Him?
Cool Arrow, There you go.
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:20am.
Cool Arrow,
There you go. You just did and you are incapble of seeing it. Now you are telling me that I the God I worship is not the same God as yours. But nah, you never tell anyone. BWAHAHAHA!!!!
I am laughing at your believe that you are smart.
and I know our God never tells us to lie, but YOU constantly lie about Him, His Church, The Roman Catholic Church, His servants in the Church, priests, bishops, Pope, etc. You love to lie and attack God's Church.
You lie against God, His Church and His servants in His Church.
but thanks for proving my point! You decide whether or not I worship the same God as you. You decided who is Christian or who is not. You decided when it is wrong to derail a forum and when it is not. HAHAHA!!!
Oh man, this is too much fun.
Keep it coming my pseudo-intellect.
No Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:36am.
I specifically said "we serve the same G-d", and you immediately claim I said the opposite.
I'm simply wondering why you feel it necessary to lie in defense of that which you believe. You are a most interesting case study in hypocrisy.
It just seems folly, your attempt to mix that which you hold true with that which is demonstrably false.
Cool Arrow, No, you just
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:46am.
Cool Arrow,
No, you just didn't, no way!
You calling someone else hypocrite? Tell me you aren't this huge of a hypocrite. Tell me you aren't serious with accusing me of hypocrisy, hypocrite? HAHAHA!!!
You do things and you are not man enough to admit how wrong you are.
You say we serve the same God, yet you then use the singular and possesive, "my". Implying that we have different Gods. Why didn't you use, "our". Why didn't you say, "...our God does not ask me to lie". He is not your God, He is Our God and in fact, he is not mine or yours, we are His. We belong to Him, not Him to us. But as you have often proven, Theology along with intellect, Truth are far from your forte.
nice try kid.
You aren't even an interesting case, you are just fun to toy with and an easy to prove how radical and wacked out you are.
you in fact is what happens to an individual who allows himself to be filled with hatred and saddness. I often use individuals like you as an example of how a human being should not be in his later years in life.
How silly of you!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:58am.
Exodus 6:7 “I will take you to be my people, and I will be your God, and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who has brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.”
You will forgive me, Liberallies, if I feel free to name Him as my God. Such is stated so many times in Scripture as to make your retort laughable.
You need to quit making stuff up just to make yourself seem pious.
Cool Arrow, Me pious? I
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:13am.
Cool Arrow,
Me pious? I have never claimed to be a pious individual. Again, stop projecting.
We did not create God as He created us. In this sense, God does not belong to us. We belong to Him. He is our Creator. I know this may escape you since you create your own religion and you do not follow God's. thus you start believing that you own God and that God is yours alone. Like so many, you want a God that serves your needs, not a God Whom you serve. you want a God that you own, not a God that owns you. You want to write God's Laws, not follow the Laws of God.
yes, God is OUR God....good of you to now use the plural possesive instead of the singular as you did earlier. Will you apologize for calling our God yours only? (Oh don't worry, I don't expect you to all of a sudden grow a pair and be a man). But He does not belong to us, we belong to Him. He is our God. Much like I do not belong to my children, my children belong to me. God does not belong to me, I belong to God. He is our God, why? Because we belong to Him, He owns us. We do not own Him.
But as I said, since you are someone who created His own religion and goes against God's Faith, I am not surprised that you are wrong.
Hey, while you are reading your Bible, please find the passages that speak that God demands that we do not lie or be hypocrites like you are. Or do you only read the parts of the Bible that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside as you so often prove.
But once again
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:19am.
But once again you told a lie to make your argument seem true. I pointed it out specifically, but all you have are oblique references to claims about me that you can't quite pinpoint.
Again, you feel free to lie in defense of that which you believe. It's interesting.
Cool Arrow, Eh? Again with
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:32am.
Cool Arrow,
Eh? Again with the lying thing? Honestly, does this attack work at all for you?
Lying? hmmm....you are such a hypocrite you can't even see your lies against the RCC and Her teachings.
But shoot, if it makes you feel better to believe that it is others that lie, who am I to remove you from your happy place.
You have claimed in the past that Catholicism is not Christianity. You have claimed in the past that my Bible is not the Christian Bible, you have claimed today that the God you worship is not the same God I worship. You claimed that you own God. And it is me who lies? ouch!
You are certainly a head case and fun to toy with.
Keep it coming....
Liberally Lying again!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:43am.
I have never said Catholicism is not Christian. - You are again lying in defense of your faith.
I have not said the Catholic Bible is not Christian. - You are again lying in defense of your faith.
I made the statement that we serve the same God, but you read it as the opposite.
If I refer to the woman that bore me as "my mother", is that a definitive statement that I own her?
You are reaching into the realm of the nonsensical to bolster your false contentions.
Cool Arrow, You have said to
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:14am.
Cool Arrow,
You have said to me that Catholicism is not Christian. You are crazy and senile. You forget the countless of attacks you have thrown at me through the years.
You have said that the Catholic Bible is not Christian. You are crazy and senile. You forget the countless attacks you have thrown at me through the years.
You have said that Catholoic Church teachings on Christianity are not Christian. No doubt, you will claim that this is not true either.
My goodness Cool Arrow. Either you are crazy and senile or a liar. Please tell me which one.
You have attacked The RCC so many times in so many different ways that you can't even remember the lines of attacks that you have used. My child, you are nuts, a liar and a hypocrite.
But keep it coming...you along with a few others are quite entertaining.
And you're lying
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:21am.
Catholicism is a Christian religion. I have never disputed that.
I also know your religion does not approve of your lying to defend it. You're on your own there.
It takes no effort on my part to prove you a liar. You can scarcely offer a post without adding a compulsive lie.
Again, prove I said Catholicism is not a Christian religion, or admit to being a liar for your faith.
More proof you are lying
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:11am.
You say He is not your God, but here you say He is.
You claim Him then you deny Him? All for the sake of a silly argument?
Hydro, Eh? as always, the
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:47am.
Hydro,
Eh? as always, the pompous Physics professor. You are certainly an idiot.
1) I don't take Saturday's off. I don't have to work on Saturdays. Get it?
Geez, with a Physics degree that you love to claim you have, you would think you know the difference between the two.
I have worked on Saturdays and if needed be in my current job, I would work on Saturdays.
Thus your Saturday arguemnt is stupid and ridiculous at best.
2) I don't even come close to believing non-Christians are anti-Catholic haters. You made this up, as always. Much like you said to me one thing in the public forums and another thing in the PMs. Lying is certainly in your blood, liar.
Explain this, my slow one, if I am a non-Muslim, why would I be involved in Ramadan? if I am not a Jew, why would I celebrate Hannaukah?
Never once came close to saying that non-Catholics, non-Christians are haters of anything.
There are anti-Christians, completely seperate from from non-Crhistians, who take advantage of everything Christmas offers. But you, of course, you do not see a problem. Don't worry, my intelligent challanged "professor" I don't expect you to understand.
3) Only a hypocrite who is clueless about reality would not see the obvious problem with a non-Christian opening a gift on Christmas day. Why bother explaining it to you, my young padwan. You won't get it.
4) Oh poor little hydro, crying about someone else he sees as arrogant. You are kidding, right my Hypocrite boy? you are honestely kidding, hypocrite.
that's the problem with idiots like you, they hate it when they believe someone else acted how they act.
Mr. Pompous, aka hydro, cries about his beleif that someone else acted like he does.
Get out of here with your hypocrisy, peudo intellect and pathetic thing that you call, your logic.
I pity the college kids you educate.
Still winning hearts and minds.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:24am.
Or as it is more commonly known ---
How to win friends and influence people by LiberalLies.
Is there anyone right leaning on this site LiberalLies has not picked a fight with? Wait, there is that one guy that still likes him so....
The Vet, Oh look, the
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:50am.
The Vet,
Oh look, the crazies are coming out of the wood work. :-)
Nah, The Vet, you do a better job at winning hearts than me. I mean with all of your linking, belittling of others, etc, etc. how can anyone compete with your vitrol against those who disagree with you, Legend In Your Own Mind.
I mean geez, NB members you have spat upon, insulted, belittled are all lining up to thank you for winning their heart (sarcasm off), Mr. Hypocrite.
I thought I was Mr. Pompous.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 1:52am.
Oh, no, that was hydrodynDM.
Carry on. It is 2011 after all.
Oh I remember.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:00am.
I am Mr. Pompatus. Mr. Pompatus of Love.
The Vet, Mr. Legend In His
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:07am.
The Vet,
Mr. Legend In His Own Mind. My poor hypocrite.
Your bore me my little one.
but carry on, at least you give me the pleasure of pointing at you and laughing at you.
Keep it coming...
Pack sand.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:18am.
Boy.
Child.
Kid.
Son.
Little one.
Condescending ass.
The Vet, Legend In His Own
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:23am.
The Vet,
Legend In His Own Mind....ahhh..what's the matter, little one.
Can't stand it when your medicine is used on you? BWAHAHAHA!!
Oh, I forgot, you are the only one who is allowed to be condescending towards those you disagree with, not me. Sorry, I forgot Mr. Hypocrite.
You and Cool Arrow are fun to toy with.
Keep it coming my young padwan.
No.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:41am.
Piss off.
Go pick a fight with yet another respected member here. It is what you do best.
The Vet, Legend In His Own
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:57am.
The Vet,
Legend In His Own Mind.
Hmmm....in case you have not noticed, kid,it was YOU who originally picked a fight with me. It is YOU who keeps on picking fights with me. I don't ever address you unless you post something to me. Solution? don't address me and guess what, I won't reply to you. AH...how easy, right? hahaha!!!!
are you sure you aren't crazy man? honestly.
and respected? Respected according to who, you? sorry, but I don't take seriously your standards of who or what is respected.
Oh yes, the code of "honor" amongst some Conservatives on NB. "If you are a Conservative, though shall not pick a fight with another Conservative. Unless your NB name is The Vet, Cool Arrow, Cajun2, Hydro....Only these names are allowed to pick a fight with other Conservatives. YOU shall not do it or else...." HAHAHAHA
As I have often said, hypocrisy and stupidity is not a Liberal or Conservative thing, it is a human thing. Thanks for showing such immense stupidity and hypocrisy proves my point.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:13am.
I have a simple question...
How many folks on NB do you see agreeing with you or coming to your defense?
Anyone?
I ask because the fact of the matter is that The Vet and I have a history on NB of not agreeing with each other. In fact, he and I have gotten pretty mean with each other.
And yet, for some odd reason, the both of us seem to agree that you are a total dick (not to put words in The Vet's mouth).
On top of that, it's pretty well known that I'm an agnostic and so a non-Christian.
And yet you seem alone in this.
What does that tell you, Liberallies?
hydro, hahaha...professor,
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:27am.
hydro,
hahaha...professor, Hmmmm...
since when does the Truth need the majority of people to agree with It in order for it to be the Truth?
You as a supposed science professor should know the answer to this!
truly, you prove that intellect is FAR from your forte.
Do you think I care how many people agree or disagree with me? My beliefs are not based upon how many people agree or disagree with me.
Do you think the Truth cares how many people agree with it or disagree with it in order to Be The Truth?
Do you think the Laws of science wait for the majority of people to agree with it in order to be the Laws of science. Man, I guess gravity had to wait until the majority of people agreed with gravity in order for gravity to be a physical force in the universe. HAHAHAHA!!!!
And you are a science professor at a university? really? WOW!!!
The Truth, much like Scientific Laws, do not need anyone to agree with it in order to be the Truth and Scientific Laws.
You are truly certifiable, individual who celebrates the Birthday of a being you do not believe exists.
Oh and by the way, how you think about me, who you think I am is exactly what I think about you. :-)
As much as you claim I am a di..k, I think you are a bigger as..hole.But I also know that you are a liar who told me one thing over private messages and then something completely different about the same thing in public. Call me what you want, but at least I am straight forward and honest in private and public, unlike you.
The Vet stuck his nose a while ago into a fight that did not concern him. Now the guy is so crazy that he claims it is me who picks fights with him. I never reply or address him on NB, unless he goes after me first.
Lie.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:31am.
Liberallies lies: ...he claims it is me who picks fights with him...
Not what I said was it?
Let's quote me even though what I said is in clear view for the entire planet to see.
The Vet: Is there anyone right leaning on this site LiberalLies has not picked a fight with?
The Vet: Go pick a fight with yet another respected member here. It is what you do best.
Liberallies lies: ...he claims it is me who picks fights with him...
The Vet, Legend In His Own
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:44am.
The Vet,
Legend In His Own Mind. Actually, yes, the majority of truly respected Conservatives on NB I have never picked a fight with.
At least you admit you are neither respected nor popular. HAHAHAHA!!!
oh this is so much fun.
Here is a secret....shhh.don't tell anyone. Just because you believe someone is respect and popular, it does not make it so. Shhh...don't tell this secret to anyone.
but remember, kid, it was you who originally picked a fight with me and who constantly feels the need to butt in and pick fights with me. but heck, I am the problem in your mind. HAHAHA...
another lunatic.
Whatever.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:53am.
I said piss off already.
I catch you in a lie. You act like the entire planet can't see the very lie you got caught in.
Again. No skin off my back. Now piss off.
The Vet, Legend In His Own
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:08am.
The Vet,
Legend In His Own Mind.
Catch me in a lie? Son, kid....just because you believe it, it does not make it so. Now you add delusional to your crazy behavior.
Keep it coming...
All you had to do is mind your own business, but you can't kid, can you. As much as Hydro speaks of my ego, you, him and others are so proud and so blind to your own egos.
There's a whole stack of them
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:15am.
Let's start with your claim that I said Catholics are not Christian.
I didn't say it - you lied.
I'm not even sure you lie only to defend your faith. you may do it compulsively to make yourself look smarter than you are.
Whatever.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:18am.
Boy. Kid. Son. Condescending prick.
Don't piss off then. Last word trolls never do.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:01am.
Actually the laws of science are created by people - so it does kind of depend on people to agree with them.
You obviously don't get the distinction between science and the empirical reality which serves as the basis for its theories.
Please keep demonstrating what an uniformed tool you are by criticizing me while using my area of work to do it.
Unless of course...
... you actually do want to get into a discussion about science.
I would love that.
I mean - I know I wasn't able to convince you in that discussion about moral relativism that non-luminous speeds are relative - something that's been knows by pretty much everyone since, um, forever.
I also know that you posted a lie about your understanding about relativistic time dilation in a previous argument we had - a lie that was so obvious that you decided, after posting it, to edit it out - but not before I copied it.
I think I still have a record of that conversation if you would like me to post it here for everyone?
What do you say? Should I go look for it?
Hydro, So, you are saying
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:16am.
Hydro,
So, you are saying that in order for gravity to work in the universe the majority of people have to agree with the existance of gravity? GOTCHA!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
that's ok son, I know you are all upset because I caught you in a lie and proved it with your public and private words to me. Now...you are desperate.
anyway,
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate the birithday of a being you do not believe exists?
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:22am.
You don't understand the distinction between empirical reality and the laws that are created by humans to describe it.
Explain to me how Newton's Law of Gravity and Einstein's General Theory of Relativity both describe gravity and yet they are different theories.
Read a book.
Hydro, Son, you aren't my
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:24am.
Hydro,
Son, you aren't my professor and I truly thankful for that. The damage that you do to your students is horrific.
Read a book? I am guessing you were telling this to yourself as you looked yourself in the mirror.
Anyway...
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate the birithday of a being you do not believe exists?
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:34am.
Wow - great way not to actually answer my question.
I'm sure no one noticed.
And I did answer your question... here.
Try not being so arrogant when asking stupid questions.
But really - back to the Newton versus Einstein thing - tell me again how I don't understand how science works. I really want you to demonstrate what an idiot I am and what a rotten professor I am and how unfortunate my students are.
'Cause I'm sure that's what Jesus would do.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:21am.
Which lie are you talking about?
Could you link to that conversation please?
Hydro, Sorry, I don't
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:28am.
Hydro,
Sorry, I don't respect your words enough to do your homework for you.
You lied to me. You said one thing in private and another thing about the same subject matter in public. You and I both know you did this. It got so under your skin, you hated me for posting your PM in public proving you to be a liar. but nah...you forgot of course, pathetic kid, pathetic. Not my fault that your memory "fails" you, Egotistical professor.
Anyway...
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
LL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:36am.
You actually have proof Hydro celebrates the birth of Christ?
I'd like to see that proof, you being a truthful Christian, and all.
So let's see that proof, before people start thinking you would stoop so low as to lie in defense of your faith.
Cool Arrow, So, you are
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:44am.
Cool Arrow,
So, you are saying that Hydro does not celebrate Christmas, right?
Maybe you can answer for him. Why would he tell me that God Loves me, and capitalize it nonetheless? He claimed here tody and countless of other times that he does not believe in God, Jesus, Christian morality, etc. so, why would he speak of God and Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ as Beings that he believes exist?
while you are it, can you also answer...
Is Hydro crazy? Why does he celebrate Christmas, the birthday of a being he does not believe exists?
Come on Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:49am.
If you have proof Hydro celebrates the birth of Jesus, let's see it.
Whether Hydro is crazy has no bearing on whether you are lying about him to defend your faith.
Come on, LL. Prove you're not lying?
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:41am.
Yea - where's the link to that conversation?
Since you brought up this supposed lie, I'm thinking it's up to you to do back it up.
Hydro, think all you want.
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:51am.
Hydro,
think all you want. .As I said, I do not respect your words enough to take the time to look up your lies which were pointed out when they happened.
all you need to know is tha tyou did it. You said to me one thing in public and another in PMs. I don't expect you to be honest enough or smart enough to "remember".
Regardless...still you have not answered the question.
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate Christmas, the birihday of a being you do not believe exists?
Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:03am.
Whatever you might have presented tonight as truth has been drowned out by your cacophony of foolish false claims.
Here it is.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:02am.
You wrote in a PM you would get back to him after a vacation. Upon returning from your vacation, you read the last reply of his, and having a refreshed mind, determined his usual bugf+++ ranting screeds were not worth your time. This in his tiny addled brain constituted a lie. You know, what the rest of us would call a change of heart is now a lie to the bugf+++ screed ranter.
Damn Vet
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:07am.
I was able to find the link after a while of looking because I actually had the old PM to use as a reference.
How the hell you found it is beyond me.
You got some crazy warlock search skills on you :)
The Vet, Legend In His Own
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:28am.
The Vet,
Legend In His Own Mind.
I suggest that before you make yourself look like an idiot and a fool, before you stick your nose and butt where it does not belong, you get all the facts. Here is his last PM to me. Unless you have access to my PMs, you are clueless about your speak on this matter. He informed me in public one thing, but in a private PM said something completely different. I know in your book it is not a lie, I have to come to expect this stupidity from you, but whether you admit it or he admits it or not, Hydro lied. The poor fool.
But like every single time, you prove yourself to be nothing, but a tool for those who do not like me.
Hydro lied, I caught him on a huge lie and hypocrisy. But nice of you to side with liars and hypocrites, Legend In Your Own Mind.
hydrodynDM
06/26/2011 - 6:10pm I just wanted to let you know that I haven't abandoned out morality discussion - I do plan to respond in the near future. I just haven't been in the right state of mind lately to delve back into it. But I will.
By the way, I hope your vacation is going well.
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Hey, Lib Liar
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:37am.
Does PM stand for "Public Message", or should it be respected as "Private Message"?
And how does your revealing that message prove Hydro celebrates the birth of Jesus?
Cool Arrow, How does you
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:49am.
Cool Arrow,
How does you typing the above post and posting it prove your lies against the RCC? Intelligence not your forte, eh?
Now, prove your lies against the RCC, typing all the stupidity you do does nothing to prove your lies and half-truths agianst the RCC.
C'mon Cool Arrow, be honest for once. It will do you so much good. You aren't interested in the Truth. You are interested in whatever makes Cool Arrow feel good.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:57am.
I did your homework for you...
Here's the link to that conversation and specifically my response to your accusation of me lying.
Yet again Liberallies, you are your own worst enemy.
Beat me by 4 minutes.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:04am.
.
Hydro, Oh goodness, you are
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:08am.
Hydro,
Oh goodness, you are making this so fun!
Just because you claimed back then that you did not lie, it does not mean you didn't lie.
You lied, you lied and you were not man enough to admit it then and you aren't man enough to admit it now.
You said one thing in public and not until I pointed out that you lied AND I cut and pasted your PM did you even address your lie. I had to force you to reply by cutting and pasting your PM in public.
You have been proven to be nothing, but a charltan, a liar, a pseudo intellect who hides behind his Phd in physics to make himself sound and believe that he is smarter and has more knowledge than he truly has.
I have destroyed the logic of much more intelligent and knowledgeable individuals than you. You are mere entertainment.
You lied and you are crazy. You celebrate Christmas, the birthday of a being you do not believe exist.
I feel sorry for you, I truly do. A Phd and all you have to show for it is a feable attempt at sounding intelligent. what a waste of money and time. I fear, I truly fear for all the kids that come under your tutelage.
Hey Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:21am.
We really are waiting for your proof.
Certainly you wouldn't lie about Hydro, would you? That's sort of like, you know, false witness, isn't it?
Cool Arrow, And I am still
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:31am.
Cool Arrow,
And I am still waiting for you to prove your half-truths and lies against the RCC and Her Teachings.
Don't be such a lemming, such a minion, such a silly blind follower.
And nah, it can't be, you crying about your believe that others bore false witness? you mean like you and your constant lies against the RCC, Her members and Her Teachings?
but i am the pious one, right?
Arrow, Arrow....when will you admit to your lies and hypocrisy?
LL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:39am.
I have specifically pointed out your lies.
Cool Arrow, You have
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:53am.
Cool Arrow,
You have specifically pointed out my lies? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
No, no, you have done all type of dances and plays on words to make yourself believe that I lied.
Don't confuse reality with your imagination, kid. HAHAHAHA!!!!
Just because Cool Arrow says I lied, it does not mean I lied. Get it? Oh don't worry, I know you won't.
Just keep on lying, it wouldn't be you if you did not lie. :-)
What hydrodynDM said.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:25am.
Except I would put unrelenting in front of total.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 3:43am.
Yes, you not having to work on Saturday versus you not working on Saturday (bullshit) directly addresses the hypocrisy I pointed out in your arrogant condemnation of non-Christians taking Christmas day off.
Oh, wait. It didn't. I would elaborate but I'm pretty sure you are about the only one on here that didn't get my original point so it would be pointless to try to expand on it.
(That's my substantive way of calling you an idiot as opposed to your juvenile way of calling me an idiot - and I'm sure you didn't get that either).
As for my making up the idea that you lump non-Christians with Christian haters, allow me to quote you...
If you are not a Christian, if you do not believe in Christianity, if you bash Christianity, if you hate Christianity, if you mock Christianity, you have zero business celebrating Christmas. Period.
Yea. No lumping together there.
And seeing as I am an idiot and all that - please explain to me the "obvious problem" of a child in a non-Christian family opening a gift on Christmas morning.
Pretty please - without coming across as a total prick.
Reserve your pity for Christians who are supposed to act as a living example of Christ so that they might inspire non believers to consider bringing Jesus into their lives but who, instead, allow their egos to create a wall of condescension and judgment which drives non believers further from Christ.
I wonder how your lord would view your actions here.
Hydro, all you said, is
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:06am.
Hydro,
all you said, is blah, blah, blah, blah....
just answer this. Are you crazy?
Why do you celebrate the Birthday of a Being you do not believe exists?
And what do you care what My Lord would say about me, you don't even acknowledge His existence. Another crazy statement from you.
And I love it. How all of a suddent the self-rightious, believers are not, start bring out God, The Lord and how He would see my behavior, but they stay quiet when others they are friends with and admire behave truly bad. Pathetic.
but answer the questions. Are you crazy? why do you celebrate the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
and spare me the lecture, kid. As I discovered a long time ago with you, you aren't seeking Christ, you are seeking to belittle those whom you feel are inferior intellects for being Believers. Now please put away the pity violin and answer the question.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
I know your anger stems from the fact that I am calling you out and one thing I have discovered you can't stand is being called out and proven to be an idiot, idiot (direct enough for you) :-) You believe that your professorship and your knowledge of physics makes you a superior intellect. .This is a FACT that you aren't man enough to admit. You speak of egos? Fool, look in the mirror.
and of course, you can't stand the fact that I proved with your own words that you are nothing, but a mere liar. A buffoon, an egotistical liar who will say anything he needs to say in public in order to make himself believe he won an argument. I have to thank you for writing a PM to me which was the complete opposite than what you said in public. And for proving you that you are nothing, but a sad little liar, an egotistical, typical run of the mill professor who believes he is more intelligent than others, who will say what ever he needs to say in public to win, you can't stand me. Guess what....I LOVE IT.
I love taken on stupid college professors, such as yourself, whose egos do not allow them to see how poorly informed they are and how they know next to nothing outside of their subject matter.
I have taken on face to face better informed, much more intelligent professors than you and prove them to be the egotistical, pseudo-intellects that they are. You are nothing, but mere entertaiment for me.
but again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate the birithday of a being you do not believe exists?
Stop it Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:12am.
You really don't understand what you're doing, do you?
What shall we do? Congratulate you on being the most pious person you know?
Most of us don't seek the kind of piety of which you brag.
Cool Arrow, Oh here we go.
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:32am.
Cool Arrow,
Oh here we go. Getting lectured from you. A man who does not care to lie, lie and lie some more about the Roman Catholic Church. Geez, hmmm...yeah, why would I take the words of a lying hypocrite seriously?
Do you understand what the likes of you do to God, His Church, His Faith? Get out of here with your lecture.
Get out of here with YOUR pious posts.
I have NEVER once claimed to be pious. Hydro asked me questions and the poor egotistical professor did not like the answers I provided and he got into his usual, "I am better than you mode".
In fact, I have often claimed that I am a sinner, as much of a sinner as anyone else, Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, Muslim, etc, etc....
I do not believe myself to be superior to anyone, unlike you and Hydro.
Hydro is an egotistical idiot, a professor, much liek too many today, who believes he has all the answers, but hates it when he feels others are just like him.
the man is a lunatic who uses and abuses Christmas. he celebrartes the birthday of a being he not only does not believe exists, but also attacks.
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:15am.
I don't celebrate the birthday of a being I don't believe in.
If you can provide a single quote of me saying I do from any of any of my posts, I'll gladly admit that I'm crazy.
But keep in mind - if you can't - then it shows you are a liar.
I look forward to your unhinged response.
Oh, and God loves you.
p.s. If you want to view me as an angry egotistical know it all typical professor type, that's OK. I forgive you.
p.p.s The topic of science didn't come in this discussion until you brought it up.
Hydro, why would you say God
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:46am.
Hydro,
why would you say God loves me if you do not believe in God? another crazy statement from you.
So, you do not celebrate Christmas.
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate, CHRISTMAS, the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
and I do not view you as an egotistical, believe he knows it all professor, that is whom you have proven yourself to believe you are. I know, easy to confuse.
tell me again how gravity needs everyone to agree that gravity exists in order for the physical force of gravity to work? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Mr. Physics professor, at least I admitted in public and in PMs to you that I know next to nothing about science. you on the other hand attempt to pass yourself as an intellect who is very well versed in science and other things. And I am the one with the ego? and of course, do not forget your lie. How you said one thing to me in PMs and then a completely different and opposite thing in public about the same subject matter.
oh sorry....
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate, CHRISTMAS, the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:50am.
Have you ever taken Saturday - the Jewish Sabbath - off?
Oh, wait. Let me write that using your style - have you ever celebrated the SHABBAT by not working on Saturday????
If you have then you are crazy and cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
And speaking of lies (not literally speaking, buy typing), quote me where I said or even remotely implied that "gravity needs everyone to agree that gravity exists".
I know you can't and you will just ignore that request.
But I'll wait...
Hydro, I am laughing at your
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:57am.
Hydro,
I am laughing at your intellect, professor.
Nope, I have never celebrated Shabbat by not working on a Saturday. (nice try and I know you are too dumb to get it).
Again,
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate Christmas, the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 4:59am.
So you have worked every Saturday?
Hydro, Yes, I have worked
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:13am.
Hydro,
Yes, I have worked every single Saturday. Again, professor, I know you will not get it. I have never celebrated Shabbat by taking off a Saturday and not working. (oh this is so much fun! and i know you will not get it!)
No, you have not answered the questions. You informed me you celebrate Christmas. You have also informed me you do not believe in God and Christ.
thus...
again, answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate Christmas, the birthday of a being you do not believe exists?
No doubt you have told your students that just because they believe they answer a question it does not mean that they did! And you claim to be a professor. Sad. How I fear for the kids you teach.
Why would you say that God loves anyone, or how the Lord will view anyone's behavior. You don't believe in these. Thus, you either are a liar and believe in God or you are being an idiot. Obviouisly, we know the answer, an idiot. :-)
Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:03am.
And I'm not sure why you keep asking me to answer your questions when I already have.
Perhaps I should speak in tongues - would that help?
You've been fun Lib - but it's time for me to go to sleep.
God Bless you Liberallies.
Hydro, How did you get a
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:16am.
Hydro,
How did you get a Phd? Who did you bribe to get it?
Just becasue you give an answer which is a non answer, it does not mean you answered the question. No doubt you have had this conversation with your students, that is IF you are truly a professor, Professor.
But again,
answer these simple questions.
Are you crazy? Why do you celebrate Christmas, the birihday of a being you do not believe exists?
Or are you saying that you do not celebrate Christmas? Why is it so hard for you to answer, Professor?
Who did he bribe?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:32am.
Now the lampooning of yourself as the consummate buffoon is complete.
You've done little else tonight than present lies to defend your faith.
Cool Arrow, BWHAHAHAHA!!!
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 5:38am.
Cool Arrow,
BWHAHAHAHA!!! does it make you feel good to believe that I am a buffoon? I know it does. I do hope it helps you sleep well, my hypocrite.
but certainly, an individual who lies so much about the RCC, an individual who lies about Her teachings, an individual who lies to prove another religion wrong, as you constantly do, is not a buffoon, right? HAHAHA!!!
Cool Arrow, all you do to defend your anti-Catholic beliefs is lie and be a hypocrite, oh pious one.
Any intelligent being, with an IQ over 100 knows that a pseudo intellect like Hydro bribed his way through college in order to get a Phd. No way our colleges and universities would hand a pseudo intellect like him a Phd. Well of course, on the other hand, it does speak volumes of the poor state of America's colleges and universities that he may have received his Phd without a bribe. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Cool Arrow doesn't get sarcasm...what a buffoon! BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
Keep it coming Cooly boy, you, The Vet and Hydro have been most entertaining and fun tonight. :-)
MissMinPhx, Well, I think
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:17pm.
MissMinPhx,
Well, I think Christmas is the second most important Holy Day in Christianity, Easter being the First.
Kwanza is a made up "holiday" from the radical and militant blacks of the 1960s. It isn't a holiday at all. It is made up and stupid!
Hannauka, from my understanding, please someone correct me if I am wrong, is not a major holiday in the Jewish religion. At least no where near as important as Christmas and Easter is for Christianity.
In fact, even when public schools give time off, it is during Christmas, not Hannaukah or Kwanza, but they call it a winter break so the single non Christian student is not offended, but the school doesn't mind offending the 99% of the majority.
Really, LL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 2:38am.
Hannukah is one of those "99% Holidays"?
You consummate idiot! You aren't aware the story of Hannukah is found in the Cathoilic bible but not in the Protestant bible, but you're willing to throw the feast on the ash heap of Liberallies list of fake holidays like Kwanzaa.
You're wrong Liberallies. I do know more about your faith than you do. I'm not asking you to lie in defense of your Faith, but you seem more than willing.
Who Freaking Cares?
Submitted by FAR52 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 4:55pm.
This is such a dumb complaint -- it makes all republicans look petty. Who cares if a moderate or liberal wants to call their Christmas tree a Holiday tree? Just because they do, doesn't mean you have to. And is there some law on the books that mandates the use of the term "Christmas Tree" that I was not aware of? If moderates or liberals want to broaden their definition of this time of year, so be it. Let them.
A lot of us care!
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:04pm.
Because it's not just a matter of what they call their own trees. They are trying to pressure everyone, unless it's in the privacy of one's own home, to refer to them as "holiday" trees.
I sure hope you are able to
Submitted by FAR52 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:10pm.
I sure hope you are able to withstand the "pressure" being exerted on you to call your Christmas Tree a ::gasp:: Holiday Tree.
sorry far*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:43pm.
It may seem trivial to you to rename a Christmas tree but to many, this is just one of the incremental steps designed to destroy the society we know. As other posters have pointed out, it isnt just about trees, crucifixes, Tim Tebow, homosexual marriage, abortion, and many more traditions and values that are openly being attacked. ONE STEP at a time. Look at the big picture not just Holiday Cards.
Hi, cajun
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 7:35pm.
Another piece of the big picture and the degradation of repect, tradition, and culture. Even the actors on this show refused to come and talk to Pearl Harbor survivors that were only yards away from them.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/cbs-hawaii-five-o-crew-disses-pearl-harbor...
ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 7:53pm.
I found that very disturbing. I think Hawaii 5 O even uses the Arizona in the begining of it's show. Why do I think if it was a muslim cemetery the crew would have let the muslims wander around regardless of their shooting schedule? Just a thought...
Radical
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 8:49pm.
I was thinking along those lines. This is a small story and I'm sure the media probably won't pick it up, but I can't help wondering, if a muslim gathering was dissed in such a way, the MSM would find time for the "outrage", "controversy",...their usual buzz-words.
I didn't know they had a scene of the Arizona in the opening of the show, I'm betting now they don't even know why, probably just some place to them, as good as any other. I 'm glad the veterans gave them the one-finger salute driving by, I'd like to have seen that.....maybe H 5-O could use that in their opening sequence.;-)
Thats it Ant*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 7:55pm.
This is another example. There are those who know nothing of our history because they are too narcissistic to go beyond themselves. There are those who cheerlead for the perversions of our society and those that attack the traditions and the values that made this country great.
You have to wonder what is their goal?
What about
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:46pm.
referring to a Menorah as a 'Holiday Candlestick Holder'? Do you think A Menorah could be referred to using either wording?
FAR52, Not too smart are
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:31pm.
FAR52,
Not too smart are you. It is the symbolism and what it represents. AND of course, it is not merely renaming the Christmas Tree, Holiday Tree, but everything along with this put together.
I guess you wouldn't mind if you renamed your mother, father, daughter sister some generic name in order that no one else would be offended, right? No doubt you wouldn't mind, right? rrriiiigggghhhht.
Shoot, why not be really brave and start renaming Muslim holidays and figures that represent their holidays, right? C'mon Far52, I dare you to go to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, to a Muslim Brother and rename one of their holidays and rename one of their physical representations of their holidays.
The outrage from the Liberals, Left, media and the Muslim world if their physical representaitons of their holidays would be deafening and individuals like Far52 would be leading the screams and outcry. Hypocrites.
Sad.
This site really seems to
Submitted by FAR52 on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 8:35am.
This site really seems to bring out the crazies of our grand republican party.
Far52, So nothing on being
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 11:51am.
Far52,
So nothing on being brave and renaming Muslim holy days and renaming the physical symbols which represent these holy days, eh?
Typical radical Left wing wacko who loves to make assumptions of what party others belong to.
Nothing like the Christmas Season to bring out the crazies and nut jobs like Far52.
Perhaps Far*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:03pm.
There is an obvious weakness among liberals to see beyond their ideology. Several posters have tried to explain to you the incremental steps being taken to destroy civilized society.
This story, as well as others, are clear evidence that liberals seem to ignore or incapable of deductive reasoning.
40 million girls are "missing" in India. A society that has no problem killing their own.
There has been, since Roe vs Wade, abortion being the mantra of compassionate liberals, results in a 25% decline in the black population in the US but it is conservatives that are racist.
An institutional decay in this country has led to hidden child sexual abuse in Hollywood, Universities, the Jewish Community and the Catholic Church as examples.
Penn State, a once respected University, in now in the midst of two scandals of collusion and corruption. One involving sexual abuse of children, the other, openly protecting a corrupt academic caught manipulating data to push AGW in exchange for money.
Documentation has revealed insider trading and corruption in Washington DC and yet the media is silent. This administration's corruption with Solyndra, MF Global, BP Oil, Fast and Furious are barely getting any media coverage by the liberal media due to their refusal to accept the TRUTH that contradicts their ideology.
This site does not bring out the crazies in the Republican Party. This site exposes the lies, corruption, and insanity in the liberal community. Seemingly, a group of people totally devoid of any ability to see beyond propaganda and their own brainwashing. The vitriol and insults from liberals that visit this site is a clear indication that liberals CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.
I learned my lesson last year when I stopped at the Holiday
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:42pm.
lot around the corner, announced I was looking for a Christmas tree and a couple of goons emerged from a shed and beat me to a pulp.
Jer
Jer,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:52pm.
LOL.
That cracked me up.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Cracked YOU up...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:01pm.
You should have seen me after getting clubbed with a Holiday tree stand.
Jer
Jer,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:12pm.
LOL - Hey, at least you weren't caroling in a post office.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Ha!
Submitted by ant on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:15pm.
A Union Christmas tree lot?
It's not a "Republican" thing...
Submitted by falcon on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:03pm.
...it's a "people" thing, as in, "We, the People". We don't like being told our outward displays of Christianity and Christmas offend non-Christians and that we should stop. Nobody worries about offending Christians, and believe me, this "holiday" PC horse manure is offensive to me and many others. Yet these same non-believers and "offended" parties still want to participate in the commercial aspects of Christmas. Y'all can't have it both ways, sunshine. Either they should accept it for what it is - the birth of our Savior (whether they want to acknowledge it or not) coupled with crass commercialization - or stay away completely.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
Couple of interesting comments so far
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:15pm.
It's probably true that much of the war on Christmas is concentrated in more liberal areas, and are -as someone mentioned above- limited examples of PCism. And I agree that if someone calls a Christmas tree a Holiday tree, it's no skin off my rear end; in fact, it's just another example of silly PCism given that no other religion uses a decorated pine tree to mark the birth of their Savior (to my knowledge. I know Festivus uses the aluminum pole, but I don't here anyone calling that a Holiday Pole... )
What's interesting though is that even if those waging the war on the war on Christmas are focusing their efforts on the musings of a few, and the resultant damage done by that few is extremely minor in the grand scheme of things, couldn't we say the same thing about the war on the war on gays? So few people are actually effected by homophobia (considering generous estimates put the gay community at maybe 3% of the population) and the resultant damage done is virtually nothing (it's not like they can't serve openly in the military or move to New York and get married), all of the bowing and cowtowing to the gay lobby seems way overblown (no pun intended.) Why do we care if so few people are offended? Just move along homosexuals, you can still celebrate the way you want in your own home. Right?
Do you
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 5:49pm.
think it would be ok to refer to homosexuals as anti-heterosexuals? Why don't you start using that term? Let's see if there is any blow-back (no pun intended).
Um...this isn't limited to "a few"....
Submitted by stage9 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:44pm.
...this has been going on for years, but is just recently beginning to receive mainstream press. I have been following and documenting it for years.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
I know that stage9
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:17pm.
My reference to a "few" is in keeping with the Left's argument that's it's not really happening and even in the "few" cases it does, only a "few" are really offended by it. I can see where it may not have read that way though; sorry for the confusion.
Instead of saying "Happy Kwanzaa", maybe we should say, "Happy Made-Up Holiday". Or call Ramadan, "Crash-diet Month". Who can't get behind those two? Everybody loves a nice made-up holiday; Valentines Day lets everyone take part, why not Kwanzaa? And I'm sure the First Lady would like everyone to benefit from Crash-diet Month, rather than just the few American Muslims that celebrate Ramadan. Seems like a win-win.
Liberalism...
Submitted by stage9 on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 9:42pm.
"But in recent years, the left and the mainstream media have actively denied that the war even exists."
This is classic Goebbelsianism. Deny. Deny. Deny.
The only way to counter the absurdities of the left is to treat them like a dog who has just soiled the living room rug. You shove their noses in the truth until they see it more clearly.
And you counter Goebbelsianism with Goebbelsianism -- fire with fire: "Repeat the truth often enough, and eventually people will wake up and see the radicals for what they are."
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
Our practice administrator is Jewish, but he loves Christmas.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 12/13/2011 - 10:50pm.
He had the staff decorate the clinics and office space with all sorts of Hanukkah and Christmas paraphernalia. The patients and the staff love it, and each of the nursing units try to outdo each other with theme trees. It's the spirit of the season and meaning of Christ's birth that touches a chord with people, not the merchandising and the idiots who camp out for weeks before Black Friday.
Our practice administrator's office looks like a bomb hit a Christmas store. He has Santas, Nativity sets and a huge tree with Hanukkah and Christmas ornaments. He gets it, and he admittedly is the most liberal person in the office. Why can't the other liberals just go with it.
I wonder how loud the whining would be if they did not get the day off. Maybe then they would be saying "Christmas".
"most [spots] taken by atheist and humanist groups
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:31am.
and two by the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster."
Also atheists....So most were taken by atheist and humanist groups, and two other were taken by satirical atheists.
Kind of why I dislike atheists. They are nearly as big of revolutionaries and theorists as Marxists, regardless of political "side".
Yeap, nothing to see here. No
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 8:01pm.
Yeap, nothing to see here. No War on Christmas...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/14/texas-town-braces-for-battle-with-a...
A Conversation with Liberallies
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 7:58pm.
After last night's fun with my pal Liberallies, I decided to do a little creative writing.
I look forward to Liberallies' artfully crafted response.
Bicycles can become your
Submitted by Nena12 on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 3:50am.
Bicycles can become your favorite past time. Hobby bicyclists are becoming more and more common to see cycling along lesser traveled highways seeing the countryside up close and personal.Christmas greetings quotes
Bicycle seats can store your SPAM.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/21/2012 - 7:08am.
RIght Nematode12?