LAT's Rutten Seeks to Connect Okla. City Bombing, Domestic Terrorism to U.S. Military


In light of some awful high-profile murders by sick individuals, the Los Angeles Times' Tim Rutten wants the Department of Homeland Security to revisit its report from earlier this year that connects potential terrorism to "right-wing extremism." And Rutten seems especially concerned about those serving in the military. From his column:

Two months ago, the Republican National Committee and many conservative commentators went into paroxysms of rage over a report by the Department of Homeland Security drawing attention to the potential terrorist threat of resurgent right-wing extremism. The department ended up apologizing for noting the extremist underground's attempts to recruit returning military personnel. (All three of the men involved in the Oklahoma City bombing met and developed their convictions while serving in the Army.) As the body count mounts, the department may want to reconsider that apology.

Rutten appears to imply that extremist "convictions" are developed while serving in the military.

First of all: Did the Oklahoma City culprits (Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier) really "develop their convictions while serving in the Army"? Sure, the three men met in the Army and shared similar views. However, by many accounts, there's no verifiable evidence that they "developed their convictions" there. Here's UMKC law professor Douglas O. Linder writing about the life of Timothy McVeigh (bold mine):

By age 14, Tim McVeigh's interests included survivalism. He began stockpiling food and camping equipment in preparation for possible nuclear attack or a communist overthrow of the United States government.

In other words, McVeigh's paranoid views developed long before he joined the Army. (McVeigh joined the Army at age 20. A comprehensive book about McVeigh and the Oklahoma City murders, "American Terrorist," also says nothing about the views of the culprits "developing" while in the Army. Again, McVeigh's interests in survivalism and guns started at a young age.)

And here's what the Kansas City Star reported in May of 1995 when writing about Terry Nichols:

A fellow soldier, Robin Littleton, said [Terry] Nichols struck up a fast friendship with a lanky recruit from upstate New York, Timothy McVeigh. They were drawn to each other like magnets, with a common interest in weapons and similar views.

Nichols and McVeigh were to become angry opponents of the federal government, but the ex-sergeant said he saw no evidence of that.

"First of all, a man who hates the government is not going to be joining the Army," he said. "Anything along those lines must have come later."

Terry Nichols' stint in the Army lasted less than a year. And when the third man, Michael Fortier, testified at the trial of Tomothy McVeigh, he said nothing about the three "develop[ing] their convictions" while in the service.

The most common account seems to be that the men's warped views and paranoia turned murderous after the August 1992 Ruby Ridge and February 1993 Waco raids. (McVeigh had been discharged from the Army in December 1991 and discharged from the Army Reserve in May 1992.) The raids have been cited as the men's motivation for the Oklahoma bombing.

For Rutten to suggest that terrorist "convictions" are "developed" in the military is an awful smear. Unless he can put forward some solid evidence to support his claim, he should issue an apology.

 

—Dave Pierre is the creator of TheMediaReport.com and a contributor to NewsBusters.


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Appears to imply

Appears to imply ???????

That's very generous!

I think your later sentiments are spot on; especially this one:

Unless he can put forward some solid evidence to support his claim, he should issue an apology.

At the very least he should just shut up.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

  You gotta understand

  You gotta understand what these folks are trying to do here. They  have been going on and on about the Tiller shooting for the last few weeks. However doesn't anyone find it odd as to why the Military Recruiting Station and Holocaust Museum murders have dropped off the MSM's radar?

 Wouldn't have anything to do with that scumbag Von Brunn being a deranged lefty and the other guy a prison convert to Islam, now would it?

You see to a liberal human life only has any value when you can drive a political agenda with it.

 

 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Would you like to put the

Would you like to put the Tiller killing to rest too? Read the article at jackcashill.com, Sebelius Must Share Blame for Tiller Murder.

It seems that not only was our new HHS Secretary key in aiding and abetting his criminal enterprise, she was also a key player in defeating for re-election the Attorney General, Phill Kline, who was trying to prosecute Tiller.

Tiller gave over $1.2 million to Democratic campaigns in 2006 to ensure the survival of his lucrative business.

truth be told

"He began stockpiling food and camping equipment in preparation for
possible nuclear attack or a communist overthrow of the United States
government."

sounds like you guys 

communist overthrow of the

communist overthrow of the United States
government."

Sounds very likely and it may be happening now.  So when a bullet zips past your ear while in the Obama Brownshirst brigade dont be offended.

Well, we can't move to

Well, we can't move to Canada like Alec Baldwin....

"I believe in American Exceptionalism, just like Brits believe in British Exceptionalism and Greeks believe in Greek Exceptionalism." - PreBO, 4/4/09

ct,it must be true if you say so

as further evidence ,my wife made me covert our reinforced concrete bomb shelter into a cedar closet, got rid of all our stocked food[set aside for the big flash event]and donated to the church who inturn sent it to kenya to feed bho's starving relatives. all's well now we are feeling much better now that we are into that progessive stuff

This whole piece by Rutten

This whole piece by Rutten is filled with BS.

The leftist agenda is never-ending.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Old news

The left has been trying that for years. You know when you catch the untruth when they drop it and bring it up later.

 

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself" --- John Stuart Mill

And the DeGaulle

And the DeGaulle conspirators were military as well-pissed off about pulling out of Algeria.

And it was fellow French soldiers that executed Colonel Bastien-Thiery (even though he thought they wouldn't).

Point is, that most armies are huge organizations with all sorts coming and going year after year, and most of them aren't interested in assassinating their political leaders or blowing up federal buildings.

It is illogical to assume that the military makes people more predisposed to domestic terrorism, murder, etc.  If that was the case, we'd have had an ex-military type carry out an act of terrorism at least every month since 1775.

What branch of the military did Bill Ayers serve in?

Also, consider that John Allen Muhammad (Beltway Sniper) was in the Army also...but, since he's a Muslim dude, that's somehow easy to ignore?  Was he a 'right wing extremist'?  How about Lee Harvey Oswald-another right winger? Maybe Whitman wasn't really crazy after all and was trying to pick off a few of the many Commies loose in Texas in the mid '60s? 

Guess it just comes down to body count or the prominence of the victim...and of course who commits the crime and who the victim is.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

 I honed my skills in

 I honed my skills in Vietnam, to the best of my knowledge I haven't killed a communist since 1970, maybe I need to take night classes.

Don't Forget.

...and don't forget ex-Marine Jeremiah Wright. Can we assume that the military also churns out racist, anti-semitic preachers?

 Ahhhhh!!! So the chickens have come home to roost.

Tim Rutten might desire the

Tim Rutten might desire the DHS to revisit this report and add the following:

"Anti-war protestors, noting their failure to gain abandonment of the US miltiary overseas will again likely turn to violence in the wake of success in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  Historically, groups such as the new Students for a Democratic Society, Code Pink, etc will likely turn to increasing levels of violence to gain publicity and pressure the government to acheive that which is not desired by the general public."

Rutten is an imbecile!

Bill Ayers and his fellow bombers met in college. Does that mean we should blame college for their murderous actions?

It should seem obvious even to an LA Times reporter that it's highly unlikely that an anti government type would join the epitome of government service. McVeighs views were much more likely to have been a reaction to the Waco and Ruby Ridge fiascos which many people have taken as indications of an out of control federal government.

One more lib "reporter" spouting unsubstantiated opinion and presenting it as fact.

Smith

Shep Smith is loves stuff like this.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

jessieH     Some people

jessieH     Some people will say & do anything to get famous...........LAT= LA RAZA.

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