AP Fact Check: Gen. Shinseki 'Forced Into Retirement' by Bush Administration

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A December 7, 2008, wire article by the Associated Press' David Espo claims, "[Former Army chief of staff Gen. Eric] Shinseki was forced into retirement by the Bush administration after he said the original invasion plan for Iraq did not include enough troops." (President-elect Obama recently announced Gen. Shinseki would head the Veterans Affairs Department.)

The truth? No such thing happened. FactCheck.org, among other sources, debunked this myth over four years ago.

On Feb. 25, 2003, Gen. Shinseki told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would be needed for an occupation of Iraq. On June 11, 2003, Gen Shinseki retired. A favorite tale by Democrats during the 2004 presidential campaign was that Gen. Shinseki was "forced out" by the Bush administration because Shineski's views were at odds with Donald Rumsfeld's.

However, Gen. Shinseki's retirement had already been announced in the media nearly a year before his Senate testimony. As FactCheck.org notes, the Washington Times published news of Gen. Shinseki's retirement on April 19, 2002:

He (Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld) and Army Secretary Thomas White have settled on Gen. John M. Keane, Army deputy chief of staff, to succeed the current chief, Gen. Eric Shinseki. Gen. Shinseki does not retire for more than a year. Sources offer differing reasons for the early selection.

In other words, nobody was "forced out" of anywhere. The AP should most certainly issue a correction on this.


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Dave

Don't hold your breath waiting for a retraction.

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

Don't Let the Facts

...  get in the way of a good Bush bashing story.

I wonder...

if the Great One appointed Shinseki based on what he or his minions saw on the internet. If so, then we have more to fear than we think.

I knew folks who served in the Army under Shinseki and they told me about the 'official' policy of squelching any discourse about changes in the 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy.

Could this be the reason?

"Once you've tasted flight, you'll forever walk the earth with eyes turned skyward. For there you've been and there you'll always long to return."

Sen. Carl Levin

Also repeated the lie on Fox News Sunday this morning. Neither Chris Wallace nor Sen. Richard Shelby corrected Levin.

AP = Associated Prevaricators

AP = Associated Prevaricators

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Great!

Needle that's great!

"I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist"

Dave: You are correct,

Dave:

You are correct, Shinseki was not FORCED into retirement.  In fact, he was retired on schedule.

His replacement WAS named ahead of schedule, and this was the direct reponse to his IDIOCY relating to the "Great Beret FLap" in which he simultaneously pissed off the ENTIRE US army in one move.

He Pissed off the special forces community by putting the common soldier on par with them sartorially, particulalry the Ranger Battalions who he stole the black beret from and forced them to convert to khaki.

He then P.O'd virtually every soldier who was exceedingly comfortable wearing the patrol cap that was a very utilitarian peice of headgear.  He forced us to have a ceremony across the army in which we took off the most excellent softcap and made us don the Black beret - of which damn few knew how to make them look good.

No one in the army except the wanna be's liked this move.  We attributed it to a Shinseki desire to EUROPEANise our forces.

To add injury to insult, the US Army could not procure berets fast enough from American sources and was forced to outsource it - when the Chinese picked up the contract everyone FLIPPED OUT.

We ended up buying them from the Canadians at exceptional prices.

The other services endlessly teased us about "The Great Beret Flap" and have not stopped to this point - not that they have reason to.

In fact, soldiers have begun to wear the old Softcap whenever given the option (it is amzing what is considered the field when you want to justify it) and in a couple of years an Army Chief of Staff will likely recind the idiotic move by SHinseki.

SHort story? Shinseki was an idiot who needed to go.

Holy cow BD!

Now I think I know why our AF generals were up in arms about the Puzzle Palace banning berets by AF Zoomies.

Having been assigned to the dreaded desk job in ACC HQ, I remember memo after memo about the AF security forces (dark blue), Combat Controllers (maroon) and Pararescue forces (red) losing their berets. Apparently Shinseki only wanted Army personnel to wear them.

That could have only been Shinseki!

As with the Army, berets in the Af are only earned by special groups following severely intense training.

Is Shinseki ...

Is Shinseki one of these officers who thought you could do more with less?

Kind of like when the Air Force when from a uniform to a business suit. And now they want to go back to the Hap Arnold jacket. What next, make the Air Force part of the Army again?

Oh, but wait, we will soon have Obama's NCDF. They will be able to take up the slack for the U.S. Military. Maybe they will be able to give the regulars a break, let them get some R & R. Maybe Obama's NCDF will be able to make the terrorists lay down their arms by preaching their love one another propoganda.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It is bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who serve and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. 

AP

The AP doesn't give a rat's arse about accuracy. This report on a President and the Pentagon is the second from AP this week. On Dec. 2 the AP posted an article concerning Pres. Nixon, pentagon dissent, and Vietnam. Without repeating the entire article ( http://www.newsday.c...) the gist of it reminded me of the familiar liberal, MSM complaints against Pres. Bush. "In regard to the war generally, "we must ... act in a fashion which
will maintain the support of the American people," Laird wrote. The
proposed bombing campaign of the Joint Chiefs sought to drive the North
Vietnamese back to the negotiating table. The Nixon administration
didn't go forward with the Joint Chiefs' plan. But in December 1972, it
launched what became known as the " Christmas
bombing" of Hanoi when peace talks hit a dead end. The effort stirred
anger with the American public. North Vietnam called it a terrorist act.

Laird became the biggest proponent of the concept called
Vietnamization, urging Nixon to follow through on a policy of troop
withdrawals, putting the burden of fighting the conflict on South
Vietnamese troops." First of all, most people I knew were saying it was about time. Further, though it is possible, I don't recall references to "terrorism" back then (except referring to Uncle Ho's early campaigns). Most irritating however is that the AP not once, anywhere in the article relates the fact that the all-out bombing by the person the anti-war crowd were calling a madman actually worked. The North sued for peace. Of course, even then the NY Times, the WaPo were trying to claim the Commies were going to agree to a settlement anyway!

Oh you really should stress

Oh you really should stress the whole causality thing. The "firing" happened first. How do you "fire" someone for something a year before they actually do it? I mean I don't care how evil anybody thinks Bush is, if he needs to break causality to pull this one off then it's just not true.

yeah but the other way makes

yeah but the other way makes bush look evil so thats the one the ap will stick with hey maybe thy can  add in something about bush kicking a puppy or kitten that will sell papers

Shinseki went to the media....

Shinseki went to the media with his discontent,  a move that should have thrown him or any general out of the military.  Ever heard the term CIC?   No, Shinseki is, was, a member of the "loyal" oppostion.   That only works when you are not a conservative.   As a "disabled vet" I can hardly wait for this guy to make decisions about my future. 

 

I yam what I yam....Popeye.

Shinseki went to the media....

Shinseki went to the media with his discontent,  a move that should have thrown him or any general out of the military.  Ever heard the term CIC?   No, Shinseki is, was, a member of the "loyal" oppostion.   That only works when you are not a conservative.   As a "disabled vet" I can hardly wait for this guy to make decisions about my future. 

 

I yam what I yam....Popeye.