LAT's Brooks: Obama's Point 'Correct' In Saying Our Troops 'Just Air-Raiding and Killing Civilians'

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What's bothering the Los Angeles Times's Rosa Brooks now? She doesn't like how the McCain-Palin ticket has noted that Barack Obama said on the campaign trail that our troops in Afghanistan are "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians." 

Yet Brooks declares that Barack Obama was essentially "correct" when he said this. ("Obama's no troop-hater: Lost in the debate about 'air-raiding villages' is that Obama's correct." (Sun., 10/19/08))

Brooks acknowledges that Obama's words were "not exactly eloquent," yet she tries to assert that Obama's remark was "enthusiastically ripped out of context." (Sorry, Rosa. You can't have it both ways. And nothing was taken out of context. See for yourself.)

Brooks also falsely declares that the McCain-Palin ticket has branded Obama as a "dishonorable troop-hater."

"A dishonorable troop hater"? Sorry again, Rosa. Neither McCain nor Palin have ever said that. What the campaign said was "dishonorable" was Obama claiming that our troops were "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

The beginning of Brooks' article:

Is Barack Obama a dishonorable troop-hater?

According to John McCain and Sarah Palin, you betcha. As one recent McCain ad puts it, Obama "says our troops in Afghanistan are 'just air-raiding villages and killing civilians.' How dishonorable."

But what exactly is wrong with decrying military tactics that cause needless civilian casualties and undermine our own counterinsurgency efforts? What's wrong with denouncing the stupid strategic decisions that forced the adoption of those tragic and counterproductive tactics in the first place?

That's what Obama was doing in New Hampshire in August 2007, when he made the comments the McCain-Palin team has so enthusiastically ripped out of context. He was arguing that the diversion of U.S. troops to Iraq has had devastating consequences for our efforts in Afghanistan. We need more troops in Afghanistan, Obama asserted, so that U.S. forces won't need to rely so much on airstrikes as an anti-insurgency tool. "We've got to get the job done there," he said. "And that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

Not exactly eloquent, but Obama's fundamental point is unassailable ...

The "dishonorable" thing here is Brooks' dishonesty.

—Dave Pierre is the creator of TheMediaReport.com and a contributor to NewsBusters.


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Clueless writing about the clueless.

  Again, people need to stay away from my expertise.

  As a retired navy man and an avid seeker of war pron, I can tell you I, despite being retired only 7 years, am amazed at the advances we have made just since Desert Storm in 91.

 Our munitions are absolutely pinpoint. We use a lot of smart weapons at this time. They are so precise, we are making them smaller. That way the troops can be closer to move in and mop up after a hit. And they need to be smaller to drop on houses in crowded neighborhoods.

  And please, don't take my word for it. Go out and look, everything in our arsenal, every plane, helicoptor, tank, troop carrier and even the troops themselves have cameras mounted on them, in addition to the handhelds the troops can carry with them.

  They are all over liveleak and youtube. pat dollard and ace of spades carries them . Here is 2 of my favorites.

****serious warning language on the liveleak video**** 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87f_1215197924

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAW_yK1ZoEw

  It is jokingly called war porn. Cuz we retired veterans need it to get amped up for the boring retired life with our coffee in the morning.  

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Good evening JWF

The first aircraft I worked on was the B26. I also follow the advancements of military hardware. The most amazing thing to me is when "news reporters" ask the stupidest questions based on one misunderstood fact they have in their little minds. It is also amusing when the latest aircraft becomes public it so closely resembles the UFO's seen near area 51.

THe members of the 10th

THe members of the 10th Mountain, 101st AMBL, and the 82nd Airborne would disagree. THey have humped enough in the mountains to bely the "Just air raiding villages" bull.

Does Rosa Brooks insinuate that we should disallow our troops from calling for fire when they are in contact to prevent the "air raiding villages" concept?

in his own words

Obama: "And that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

It was the qualifier at the end of his sentence which changed his comment from a hypothetical to an assessment.

regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.

" so that we're not just

" so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there." Barack Obama

What's wrong, Rosa, is the statement Obama made is A) a complete lie and B) puts our troops in harm's way.

BTW, the statement Obama made makes me think of Odinga/Kenya.  Anyone think Rosa Brooks will write about that?

You thought I was finished.

  You thought wrong.

   The whole point of having troops in these hostile zones IS minimizing civilian casualties.

   We could lay waste to the hostiles in both of these countries several times over just with guys sitting in missile firing rooms in bases all over the country. But that would present lots of civilian casualties.

  Our guys over there are taking out the bad guys and taking extraordinary care that they are taking out ONLY the bad guys. It is an outrage when Obama said this over a year ago and it is an outrage that he never took it back and this woman is a coward, yellow , and traitorous for defending it.

  Or am I being to harsh? mmmmmm, no.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Obama supporters can feel secure now

knowing that Barack was technically correct, according to this hack writer, while being totally un patriotic and un Presidential...

Just one more then I will stop

  There ain't no good music on the radio any more.

  Cuz our troops took them all on deployment to put in their video compilations that us retired guys watch with our morning coffee.

  And grouchy media collects them and post them for our viewing pleasure. He is back.

http://music-videos.grouchymedia.com/ 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.