Obama Supporter On FNC: Jesus Would Be O.K. With Abortion


Un-be-liev-a-ble. Jesus would be O.K. with abortion. Not only that, Jesus's position on abortion would be even "more radical" than Barack Obama's! That was the wild, and patently false, assertion from Barack Obama supporter Dr. Marc Lamont Hill, a guest on Wednesday's The O'Reilly Factor on FNC (8/13/08). (Dr. Hill appears regularly on the program.)

Dr. Hill, an Assistant Professor of Urban Education and American Studies at Temple University and self-described "hip-hop intellectual," was defending Senator Obama's unwavering history of championing the right to terminating unborn humans through all nine months of pregnancy.

Dr. Hill reveals a mind-blowing ignorance of first-century Jewish and Christian teaching. That Hill would air such a preposterous assertion on a national television program is brazen, to say the least.

First-century Jews were unequivocally anti-abortion. (Note to Dr. Hill: Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish.) For example:

-- The Sentences of Pseudo-Phocylides (written between 50 B.C. and A.D. 50) says, "A woman should not destroy the unborn babe in her belly, nor after its birth throw it before the dogs and vultures."

-- The Sibyline Oracles includes among the wicked those who "produce abortions and unlawfully cast their offspring away" as well as sorcerers who dispense abortifacients.

-- Josephus (first-century Jewish historian) wrote, "The law orders all the offspring be brought up, and forbids women either to cause abortion or to make away with the fetus." A woman who did so was considered to have committed infanticide because she destroyed a "soul" and hence diminished the race.

(Source, including more citations: "Answering the Theological Case for Abortion Rights" by Scott Klusendorf.)

Most notably, the earliest Christian writings reveal that the earliest followers of Jesus were universally against abortion:

-- The Didache ("The Teaching of the Twelve") may possibly be the earliest Christian document not found in the Bible. It has been dated as early as 50 A.D. It says: "The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child."

-- The Letter of Barnabas has been dated as early as 70 A.D. It says, "You shall love your neighbor more than your own life. You shall not slay the child by abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born."

(Source, with many more citations: Catholic Answers: "Abortion" and "Abortion and the Catholic Church" at EWTN.com)

(In addition, several verses in the Old Testament uphold the dignity of the unborn. For example, in Jeremiah 1:5, the Lord tells Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." In Amos 1:13-14, the shepherd Amos prophesied, "Thus says the LORD: For three crimes of the Ammonites, and for four, I will not revoke my word; Because they ripped open expectant mothers in Gilead, while extending their territory. I will kindle a fire upon the wall of Rabbah, and it will devour her castles amid clamor on the day of battle and stormwind in a time of tempest." (See also "Abortion in the Bible and Church History" by Randy Alcorn))

If anyone ever needed an example of how callous and clueless so-called "progressive" pundits can be when it comes to the topic of Christianity, Marc Lamont Hill's performance on Wednesday's The O'Reilly Factor (8/13/08) could very well take the cake.

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From Wednesday's The O'Reilly Factor (8/13/08):

O'REILLY: ... Barack Obama has been the most progressive voice in the country, more than Barbara Boxer, more than Nancy Pelosi, in supporting abortion on demand, whether it's in the third trimester, whether it's partial-birth abortion. No matter what it is, he says, "Yes." So - How do you reconcile finding Jesus with the being the most pro-abortion politician in the country? Don't you want to know that?

HILL: I think he's made that very clear. In fact, he's probably been most clear on that point. There are different schools of theological understanding, many of which believe that the Bible is not something that should be read fundamentally, but --

O'REILLY: The question is simple. (crosstalk) Would Jesus be as progressive on abortion - does he believe Jesus would, based upon his knowledge of theology - as he [Obama] is?

HILL: Absolutely. I think, absolutely.

O'REILLY: You believe Jesus would say, "Partial-birth abortion: No problem"?

HILL: I think Jesus would be even more radical than all the candidates who are --

O'REILLY (incredulous): On this issue?

HILL: On this issue and on all these other issues. I think a fundamentalist understanding of the pro-life/pro-choice debate is misguided and actually misses the point. And I think Barack Obama understands this kind of thing -- (inaudible) close to the center --

O'REILLY (incredulous): That would be a stunning dissertation if the Senator would give it. And I would absolutely want to hear it.

HILL: And I think he would. I think he will!

O'REILLY: Let's wrap this up ...

—Dave Pierre is the creator of TheMediaReport.com and a contributor to NewsBusters.


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UH-OH...

Here we go.

Everyone play nice!

of course I'm nice

I wonder if Jesus would be okay leaving a newborn to starve to death in a closet. Heck, if He's even more radical than Obama, He'd support killing a baby up to a week after birth.

 the Bible is not something that should be read fundamentally, but

Here's the premise for it. Jesus is a feel-good fairy who sprinkles blessings on those who vote for His chosen successor. All that Bible stuff is for suckers.

I know you're nice.

I know you're nice.

But you know how this thread topic has the potential to start the fireworks around here. : )

 

And let me welcome the 2, 235 guests online!

No argument here

Jesus hates abortion.

His Father hates abortion.

Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil. Is. 5:20

More than that, I cannot add.

    I ♣ my seal

Cool, I know there won't be

Cool, I know there won't be any disagreement among the NB regulars and I think it would take a special kind of new troll to jump in and defend this garbage.

There are people that think the bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality, I'm guessing this person would hold that view also.

 

True MOD

I'm less concerned with God's judgement on Dr. Hill or Barack Obama than I am with God's judgement on a nation that would choose Obama.

This ain't no battle for Barry O's soul.

    I ♣ my seal

Masters

You got that right.

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Boy, am I glad that my son

Boy, am I glad that my son is not going to Temple. Can you believe this guy teaches at one of our nation's universities. I have seen him many times and I am amazed that this guy is able to get on TV much less teach....

So...

Isn't it great when liberals imagine they are so great themselves as to be able to read the mind of God? Even as they claim how unimportant, even dangerous, religion is?

amen WTH!!

How dare we speak for God or put our interpretation of God on society. But for libs, everything is fair game to help them win, even God.

I think he would. I think he will!

Oh, I would just looove to hear the Obamassiah say that Jesus would approve of his position on partial-birth abortion.
Repeat after me, kiddies: Not ready to lead? More like never going to be ready.

Dagny

Obama reminds me of your brother James . . . ;-)

This is so absurd - Dave did an excellent job

giving examples but that anyone would even need them is rediculous.

Dr. Hill is a self-loathing black American.

As he apparently has no concern whatsoever for the fact that many liberals have been encouraging the utter extermination of black children through abortion for nearly three decades now.

I wonder what Dr. Hill will be doing once the rather fertile illegal alien community out-numbers black Americans to the point that the dems throw blacks under the bus in favor of their new favored constituency?

Should be interesting.

BTW-Those who think Jesus would approve of abortions in any way are going to be in for one hell of a surprise.

-Sorry, Matthew.

-Dave.

Hill

This is just the latest in a long line of radical viewpoints the left has justified by saying that Jesus was a radical in his time and if he were here now he would still be radical. This allows the left to claim all of their looney, wacko idiocies are, or would be, supported by GOD! This claim on abortion is certainly one of the most outlandish. This also allows them to say such things without having any foundation in the bible. You could quote scripture all day long, in the end they will say: Forget all that history, if he were here now, this is what he would do. And of course there is no way to disprove their argument, ever. Nice trick, huh?

Jay,

These liberal idiots seem to forget that Jesus was radical to the liberal, progressive, murderers and fornicators of the day. I'm sure Jesus WOULD still be radical today...to THEM, not US.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

I know I shouldn't be

I know I shouldn't be surprised by this level of absurdity coming from the left since they all think that Jesus was a Marxist but it's always hard to believe that they actually think these sort of things.

Kudos to those citations BTW, too many Christians ignore Christian writings that weren't placed into the Bible for one reason or another. The book of Barnabas is absolutely excellent, I can see why some consider it canon-worthy. There is actually a second verse in Barnabas that speaks out against abortion (15:6) where it mentions 'murderers of children'. Of course just the verse IN the Bible where Jesus says (I paraphrase) that 'whoever offends one of these little ones it were better that a millstone be tied around their neck and they be thrown into the sea' should say exactly what Jesus thinks about abortion.

 

WOW!!! I am speechless. I

WOW!!! I am speechless. I have been sitting here trying to decide where to begin. There's no point. If this guy thinks that obama is to the right of Jesus, then what can I say?

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

there is no point you're

there is no point you're right - however you may pity the fool if you like:)

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Unfortunately for Dr. Hill

Unfortunately for Dr. Hill and Barack Hussein, when this life ends and they enter eternity, Jesus of Nazerath will be sitting on the throne - not Dingy Harry or Earl warren.

I'm sure Jesus can't wait

I'm sure Jesus can't wait to hear hill's twisted logic as he tries to explain THIS statement.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Here's his myspace account

Here's his myspace account so you can play What's Wrong With this Picture. Talk about living in a bubble; even Rev Wright has a few white friends on his page.

 

http://profile.myspa...

Wow - did you notice his "like to meet" list

the people these people (liberals) admire is scary.

I saw that. Disgusting. But

I saw that. Disgusting. It seems the esteemed doctor may need to see a doctor to treat his white person allergy.

I saw this as well

I saw this as well.  My jaw dropped when I heard it.  I couldn't believe it and just assumed that I had to have mis-heard (did that guy say what I think he just said?  no way....), but I guess not.  Wow.  Just wow.

Marc Lamont Hill

Marc Lamont Hill is an idiot.  He's like Geraldo. Fox brings him on to show how stupid liberals are. 

"Professor" Marc

"Professor" Marc Lamentable-Shill must have his Ph.D in Modern  Excrement.

This twit is the poster child on the inanity and pointlessness of the modern umiversiy.

And he's a Fox regular. You cannot possibly parody this prize dope: witness the comments produced above.

What would Jesus do?

According the Lamentable-Shill he would stick a needle through the skull of a baby half way through being born.

How could you out parody that?

Except for Bill O'Reilly saying how much he enjoyed hearing from the delightful Lamentable-Shill. Which he did.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

The Antichrist

Wow. Just wow.

"I think a fundamentalist understanding of the pro-life/pro-choice debate is misguided and actually misses the point. And I think Barack Obama understands this kind of thing --"

So he's saying that for 2 thousand years biblical scholars have gotten it all wrong. And now, Barak Obama has come along to correct our erroneous beliefs and he will reinterpret for us the true meaning of the word of God and what Jesus was all about.

I’m not normally one to go off the deep end when it comes to interpreting the signs of the end of times, but WTH!!! (Not you Warner…) If this guy actually believes this crap it leads me to speculate that we might actually have THE Antichrist running for office.

Has he really got these people this snowed? (sorry, is that racist?)

Jesus and abortion

This clown could not be more wrong. He new us even in our mother's womb. To know us is to have a relationship with us, a person...terminating the life of a child in this manner is MURDER.

This clown cannot convince any rational person that Jesus would endorse the murder of a child.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Marc, thanks for the demonstration

From your evidence, the terms "hip-hop intellectual" and "jumbo shrimp" have something in common: They're both oxymorons.

--Mike

P.S.: So as not to fan the flames, I didn't even make reference in this particular post to my being a Christian... um, until now, anyway...

www.thebrattonreport.com

 

When Hill comes on the

When Hill comes on the sceen, I tune out....

Have for years now.

He is one pathetic human being...I have been furious he is a assistant professor, but then again I am with all the leftist professors, which are the majority.

...although I think he is correct about which way Obama sways....heck we know it by his votes.

Btw...the only person I know who talks faster than him is Tavist Smiley.

Spooky. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hannity & Ambliopia

On H&C tonight Hannity brought up the story of the nurse who testified to the Ill. St. Legislature (but Obama was the only legislator unmoved).

Juan Williams and Larry Sabato acted like this was the first they were hearing of it.

Willful suspension of disbelief may play in the Little Rock section of New York City, but I don't know that tune.

Even Colmes couldn't look Hannity straight in the eye and. . . what's that? . . . Oh, I'm sorry.  Never mind.

    I ♣ my seal

Hill is a radical loon

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Marc Lamont Hill is delusional if he believes that Jesus
Christ is pro abortion.   This jerk needs to come forward with
evidence to back up his claim.  You will read about it in the comic
section.

You ignorant radical buffoon.  First, Wright and Phleger and now
this nut.  Look at Jesse Jackson! Black "leaders" continue to invalidate the work of God and mismanage their community by pumping out these
ridiculous assertions. 

I refuse to refer to any of these idiots with the professional titles, Dr or
Rev.

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Above His Pay Grade?

Astounding!  I had just been reading what people thought about abortion in the earlier centuries.  I get on NewBusters and find this article!  I have been concerned for a long time that God would judge this nation for the evil of  abortion soon.  Christians  who vote for Obama are agreeing with him that killing babies is O.K.  You do not want to be in that position.  Jesus said of children, "Of such is  the kingdom of heaven".

http://www.bible.ca/H-Abortion.htm