A.P.: Don't Know Much About History

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CBS News relies on the Associated Press for information on Sarah Palin's use of taxpayer funds for "religious purposes." But before taking into consideration what the AP "reports," one must first take into account what the AP "knows" about American history. You'll find this "knowledge" in the third paragraph of their report:

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as Wasilla mayor and Alaska governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state. The U.S. Constitution provides for the separation of church and state.

No. It. Doesn't. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention such a term. Here's what the First Amendment actually says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...

The phrase "separation between church and state" was first used by Thomas Jefferson in his famous Danbury letter. And, noteworthy, Jefferson was not concerned with what state governments did; his worry was reserved for the national government -- as was the original meaning of the First Amendment when it was conceived by the Founders. A not very well known fact of American history is that individual state churches continued to exist for many years after the Constitution -- with its First Amendment -- was adopted as our governing document. But ... "How can that be??" flummoxed "progressives" may ask. Simple: As noted above, Jefferson and the Founders intended that the First Amendment's religion clause pertain to the federal (national) government. Individual states could do as they wished. [Individual] state churches did not disappear because some plaintiff litigated them out of business; they vanished simply because of waning interest and attendance. In other words, they became an anachronism.

After the Civil War and the adoption of the "slave" amendments (13, 14 and 15), the concept of not only the First Amendment but all the Bill of Rights was altered. Specifically, the 14th Amendment was viewed as "applying" the Bill of Rights to the individual states (the best known case is probably Everson from 1947). "Progressive" interpretation of the First Amendment, while expanding the overall sphere of free expression, began to limit the [public] religious aspect of that expression.

The AP's purpose was obviously to portray Sarah Palin as some sort of religious extremist, and wanted to use the Constitution as its basis. Unfortunately, far too many Americans would read what the AP wrote and go "Ohhh! She's going against the Constitution!" If the AP actually wanted to be fair, they wouldn't have written "The U.S. Constitution provides for the separation of church and state;" instead, they'd have used something akin to "The US Supreme Court, especially over the last 50 years, has increasingly determined that many interminglings of religion and government violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution."

(Link h/t to NB reader "G-Money.")

(Cross-posted at The Colossus of Rhodey.)

—D. S. Hube is an educator and a member of the National Association of Scholars. He blogs regularly at The Colossus of Rhodey.


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Sure it does....

...it's right there just above the part where it says foreign combatants captured on the battlefield have the same rights as U.S. citizens and just below the clause saying we all have the right to health care, a job, a college education....

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...and the right not to lose money in the stock market.

The AP (et al) frequently has difficulty wiht the distinction between reality and what they report.  Let's hope that problem isn't contributing to this:

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First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I'll buy it.  -   Robert Heinlein

And

You skipped over the part where it says it's ok to abort unborn babies or allow them to die without medical care if they manage to live through the abortion.

Chai

“The beauty of our system isn’t that we have the right to vote. No, the nice thing is that people who are too dumb or lazy or uninformed to bother casting a ballot aren’t compelled to vote.” —Burt Prelutsky

The Constitution

Yeah, the nice thing about the Constitution is it means whatever we are told it means. 

 

 

First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I'll buy it.  -   Robert Heinlein

Living document

Yes, their claim is that our Constitution is a "living document". I have a framed copy hanging in my home office and I swear I thought I saw it move on its own the other day.

Better keep your guns away

Better keep your guns away from it. The second ammendment gives iy the right to use them

coco... LOL...I was going

coco...

LOL...I was going to answer Doug's post using the gun issue...

Anyway I was going to say in reference to him mentioning seeing the Constitution moving all by itself, kind of like the guns getting up and pulling their own triggers all by themselves.

Leave it to the filth from the left...a Living Constitution BS...

Spin and repeat often enough and some lemmings swallow all of this whole, plus we all know how our wonderful educational system is going in this country...when they teach these very same things and cry if they can't wear their Obama buttons in the school room...screaming 1st amendment...while we property tax payers are forced to pay for these schools and teachers.

Heck I'm stopping with my rant...I am just so disgusted with this country at times...with the msm leading the way...as they always have since I can remember.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hello BT

One of my favorite quotes of all is by Isoroku Yamamoto the commander of the Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor. " you cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." That is why George Soros, the UN and the democrat left-wing extremists want to disarm us. They would have us at their mercy.

Morning Constitutional

And, hey, when the Constitution doesn't say what you want it to say, look t the case law in other countries to formulate a decision on its meaning. That's what Justice Breyer does.

Prestor John

The choices here were challenging indeed. This administration could have decided to treat the prisoners has we generally have done, afford them the full spectrum of the Geneva Convention, etc. For example. We could just lock them all up as POW's. Then hold all of them until the end of this war against radical extremism.

Think about that.

Or, the incoming Bush administration, faced with a response following 9/11 could have continued with the policy established by Clinton/Gore/Richard Clarke - the US policy of Extraordinary Rendition. They were sending the captured terrorists in that secret CIA Gulfstream to little places like Egypt to be held and supposedly tortured (by folks that have the tools) for information. This process continued for a little while under Bush (both administrations conducted about the same number of renditions), but it became apparent that just shipping them all off to foreign control was not the way to go. Enter Camp X-Ray, later Gitmo.

Now, they are getting a shot at a trial - rather then being tortured and held forever.

Don't forget that thing

Don't forget that thing about owning a home. And the right to free health care. The right to not be offended by anything.

The list goes on and on.  

 

The Democratic Party: Creating, Defending and Using Slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation for Over 150 Years... and Counting. 

Oh isn't his

Oh isn't his precious...

More deep, mind-boggling investigation into Palin...the leftists biggest enemy now and in the future...they won't stop until they get a macaca moment..

...but we have none of them looking into anything about the real Bary O.

Just lovely...as usual.

Nothing wrong with this picture at all.

No bias at all....at the expense of all of us...but heck, that's okay, like McCain said...Obama would make a fine President...nothing to be scared of at all with him.

Makes one feel warm and fuzzy all over. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT,

"Makes one feel warm and fuzzy all over."

Yeah, well, so does being wrapped in a blanket and set on fire.

Doesn't mean it's a good thing!  ;^D

(I know, just trying to lighten the moment.)

 

The Democrat Party: Creating, Defending and Using Slavery, Jim Crow and Segregation for Over 150 Years... and Counting. 

I just read about...

I just read about Jefferson's letter in "The Making of America" by W. Cleon Skousen. I've been fuming about how little I was taught in public school about what I believe are the most important documents of all time. Then this article and I'm fuming some more about how IGNORANT the majority of Americans are, especially those in the media who are supposed to be safeguarding our freedoms.

I'm also reading "The 5000 Year Leap" which is also by Skousen. His main point is that because of our Constitution and the 28 main principles of freedom that guided our Founding Fathers, mankind advanced around 5000 years in little more than 200. Basically, people living in freedom solve problems better and faster than any government controlled problem solving ever could or ever will.

This makes me wonder what we are missing today or how much more advanced we'd be if the Progressives never got a foothold in this country starting around 100 years ago. A commercial once asked, "Where are the flying cars?" The answer is the Progressives (which is another name for Liberal) killed the freedom that would have released the creativity that would have resulted in their invention. There you go, Captain Sisko (any DS9 fans?).

I truly wonder where we all would be today if we just followed the Constitution as our Founding Fathers intended.

Bias in the title

This site is based on exposing the liberal bias in the media, but the title "A.P. Don't Know Much About History" shows the conservative bias.  Conservatives assume, often wrongly, that when someone knows the truth they speak accordingly.  D. S. Hube generously assumes that the A.P. didn't deliberately lie.  I'm pretty sure that plenty of people in the media, particularly editors, understand that the Constitution doesn't outline separation of church and state, but they most certainly want to brainwash the public into believing that it's "in there somewhere."

 

I often see comments along the lines of "why would the MSM do this?  Can't they see all this liberal bias hurts their bottom lines?"

 

It's easy for us conservatives to forget day to day exactly how vital the media is to a communist government.  Whenever any of you wonder how the media can be so in the tank for Obama, remember that in a socialist nation, the press have near 100% job security.

interesting..

1) Of course there is conservative bias here.

2) You are precisely right in the role of the media.  That is why they are not being critical of Obama.  Job security for after the ONE gets elected.

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

As much as I would like to

As much as I would like to agree with you on this point, I can't.

I'm pretty sure that plenty of people in the media, particularly editors, understand that the Constitution doesn't outline separation of church and state

I think that people have heard this phrase so many times that they forget the original intent, if they ever knew it to begin with. I often get the feeling that the average American and the leftist elements of our country have never even picked up a copy of this most important of documents.

Your assessment about the media and job security in a socialist regime, however, is dead on.

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the hidden lines of the constitution

You forget... The constitution is a living breathing document.  Obama himself wants to put in judges that will rule based on "fairness" not on that rusty old constitution.  Think about how close the gun ruling was, and how dangerous the Obama presidency REALLY is....

Dangerous is right

I think how dangerous an Obama presidency would be too much as it is. For instance, I'm sure, without looking it up, there must be some way Congress and a president can remove a Supreme Court justice. How much you want to bet that at least one conservative justice has some "problem" within the 1st 2 years of an Obama presidency.

I'm absolutely certain, based on their recent behavior, the Democrats will take advantage of the power of their filibuster proof Congress and rubber stamping president. I'm also sure they will use it to a degree that shocks all conservatives. There will be nothing we can do and the willing media will make sure our objections aren't heard by the masses.

I'm not at all sure that our Constitution will survive.

I have never felt such foreboding for an election before.

I know...

We are precariously close to losing the soul of our nation and becoming communist.  

Obama doesn't need to remove a supreme court justice he can just increase the size of the court with packing like FDR did.  Just increase the size to 11 justices, and add to hardcore marxist liberal judges.

My hope is that the media and the polling agencies are complicit with one another trying to portray a large Obama lead to discourage conservatives from voting.

My audacity of hope

I'm hoping also that there are a significant number of people who are publicly proclaiming their support of Obama that are doing so to "prove" they aren't some kind of racist who will then in the privacy of the voting booth vote for what's best for our country.

That's not my style, I'm more of an in your face, this is the truth kind of guy, however, I've found that our society rewards those that get-a-long so here's hoping there are plenty like that.

And yes, I know that's called the Bradley effect.

bradley effect

The "Bradley effect" should be called the "Democrat effect",

Kerry was leading in the polls before the election as well.  That's why they've made a documentary about it.  (why democrats lead in polls nationwide but still lose the elections). 

The reason why is because the polling agencies intentionally skew their results to favor democrats.  In the same way that our Government and Treasury Department helped create panic (how much stability were they expecting when they were saying things like "this is worse than the depression", "we HAVE to do this now", etc) a polling agency and the media know how much power they have over people simply by stating something they believe they can make it true.

It's the same with the "Conservatives inciting violence" media crap that's on Newsbusters today!