Four firefighters who say there were forced to participate in San Diego's "Gay Pride" parade and subjected to "vile sexual taunts" have filed a complaint and plan to sue the city.
According to the Thomas More Law Center, four firefighters were forced to participate in the parade against their will and were "subjected to vile sexual taunts from homosexuals lining the parade route." According to the complaint filed with the city, the firemen of Engine 5 told their chief they did not want to appear in the parade but were told the morning of the parade that they were under orders to participate.
The firefighters claim to have been subjected to sexually suggestive comments from parade observers, including "show me your hose," "you can put out my fire," and "give me mouth-to-mouth."
"The experience left me feeling humiliated, embarrassed, and offended by this event," Capt. John Ghiotto said in his statement. According to a press statement by the Thomas More Law Center, "Local papers reporting on the parade made no mention of the lewd and offensive behavior that characterized the parade."



















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This could be a BIG story
August 6, 2007 - 17:05 ET by GalvanicThis will be a very interesting story to follow.
First, if the parade is about Gay Pride, why is anyone "ordered" to participate in it?
Second, the firefighters obviously feel humiliated by the taunts from the bystanders, who have probably assumed that their participation is a demonstration of sexual orientation, or support for gay rights. Can they sue the city for sexual harassment, or for placing them in a situation that invited sexual harassment?
Could the firefighters have identified themselves with "I'm not gay" signs and gotten away with it?
Aren't there Federal laws protecting individuals from being forced to participate against their will in political parades/rallies/demonstrations PERIOD?
I hope this story stays above the radar and we can track its developments.
MSM SOP: Just
August 6, 2007 - 18:28 ET by TruthMongerMSM SOP:
Just ignore
Just ignore
Just ignore
Just ignore
Just ignore
(repeat as long as necessary)
First, if the parade is
August 6, 2007 - 18:30 ET by ArcherBExactly! If this were a Klan rally, could the city force black firemen to participate? If this were a "stripper pride" parade, could the city force female municipal employees to participate?
The ONLY city employess that I could see the city forcing to participate in ANY parade would be the police force, and that is to do their job of policing the event, not participate!
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. --George Orwell
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August 6, 2007 - 17:05 ET by Galvanic(deleted)
Why would they sue the
August 6, 2007 - 17:05 ET by bigtimerWhy would they sue the city?
Instead of the lesbian boss of theirs? Or their Union?
Something seems wrong here with this report.
Nobody could force me to do this if I chose not to...for any reason.
The city is the Bossman
August 6, 2007 - 17:07 ET by GalvanicSince the city is their employer, and their supervisor ordered them to participate, it seems like the place to file suit.
Galv...The Firefighters
August 6, 2007 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerGalv...
The Firefighters have a huge Union...the big-wigs being leftists...my point is why do they not sue them if they did not protect their jobs for not wanting to attend?
If that happened and they the Union refused to do that then I guess I would sure the city next....
I was just curious with this line of suing.
Something doesn't seem right that is all.
If they were forced or would lose my job....I would sue all right, but I would not of attended in the first place...I would of let it be known their would be law-suits in the near furture.
Barrage suit
August 6, 2007 - 18:54 ET by GalvanicThe Firefighters have a huge Union...the big-wigs being leftists...my point is why do they not sue them if they did not protect their jobs for not wanting to attend? If that happened and they the Union refused to do that then I guess I would sure the city next....
I'm sure they can as you suggest, bigtimer. In fact, I would expect their lawyers to name numerous plaintiffs in a suit, including the union.
If they were forced or would lose my job....I would sue all right, but I would not of attended in the first place...I would of let it be known their would be law-suits in the near furture.
Yep. I agree. I think these guys definitely have a good case, based on the information we have seen thus far.
Can anyone imagine, in
August 7, 2007 - 04:44 ET by motherbeltCan anyone, in their wildest dreams, imagine San Diego, or any city, allowing firefighters to be forced into participating in a pro-life rally?
Didn't think so.
Forced to endure lewd gestures & taunts by employer
August 6, 2007 - 17:30 ET by Dad GummitSexual harrassment!
"If you don't read a newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you are mis-informed."-Mark Twain
Fight fire with firefighters
August 6, 2007 - 21:33 ET by ConservativeRexI reckon this would be the time for a sexual harassment lawsuit.
According to a press
August 6, 2007 - 17:15 ET by GalvanicAccording to a press statement by the Thomas More Law Center, "Local papers reporting on the parade made no mention of the lewd and offensive behavior that characterized the parade."
And papers don't have agendas? They know full well that the Right --- particularly the Pat Robertson types --- pick up on such reports in a heartbeat, so it often gets under-reported (as does the behavior of some of the participants).
For example, note the words here: ". . . no mention of the lewd and offensive behavior that characterized the parade." In other words, there may have been isolated or even frequent comments thrown at the firefighters, but the papers didn't think such "behavior characterized the parade." That's editorial opinion. But the Law Center's statement implies that such behavior did occur.
Perhaps if the local news filmed it, they may be able to pick up incidents on videotape.
". . . no mention of the
August 6, 2007 - 21:24 ET by taznarThat could also be read to mean that lewd and offensive behavior did characterize the parade, but that they simply failed to mention it. In my opinion its a poorly (or craftily) constructed sentence (depending on the writer's intent).
The GLBT community as a
August 6, 2007 - 17:29 ET by tracheostomyThe GLBT community as a whole claim to want fair treatment and common courtesy. Okay, that's fine. They just want people to treat them with respectful behavior.
I am prepared to give them this when they are prepared to behave respectfully in the same manner.
This is unlike the antics condoned at this parade. Where is the outrage among their peers? Straights wouldn't get away with this if it were directed at a drum majorette or a princess on a float.
-PJ
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Don't expect standards
August 6, 2007 - 18:46 ET by ArcherBWhile I have never actually been to a "pride" parade of any kind, I had a former boss show me pictures he took at one. I've been to many places, seen many things, and have an extremely think skin and open mind... well, let's just say I saw things that I really did not care to see at all. The assless chaps were pretty tame by comparison some of the other stuff on display by both those in the parade itself as well as those watching.
In other words, I wouldn't expect to see a whole lot of standards applied at these things. Frankly, I don't know if there should be. It's a party and a good time for gays. If I were gay, I'd probably have a pretty good time at these things. It looked like Mardis Gras for gays.
But the kicker here is, I don't think anyone is forced to participate in a Mardis Gras parade. Those that find the type of behavior you see on Bourbon Street offensive don't have to go.
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. --George Orwell
Gay parades
August 6, 2007 - 18:58 ET by GalvanicThe notorious San Francisco Gay Rights Parade is certainly not an evnet ot bring a child to. The MSM only show you the tame stuff that they can print/broadcast without worry of obscenity or even hate crime repercussions.
Sodomite Apologists
August 7, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe MSM, as champions of the gay rights movement, will not report anything that will cause harm to this movement.
Sound Familiar
August 6, 2007 - 17:33 ET by exLibThis is all too similar to what happens here in Boston.
A group called Exodus International, a group of Christian men who were former homosexuals speak to Church groups and give their testimonials.
Needless to say, there is a blackout in the media about this group, who profess to have overcome homosexual tendencies.
When they speak in Boston they are threatened, intimidated and usually the local Boston police does nothing to ensure the safety of anyone in the group other than to tell them they are at risk if they leave the church or conference building where the meeting is held.
That can't Be!
August 6, 2007 - 17:42 ET by Dad GummitAftetr all, the left loves to preach "tolreance" remember? Surely they can embrace and support someone who wants out of "out"?
Can't they? Say it ain't so!!!!
"If you don't read a newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you are mis-informed."-Mark Twain
Is that a fire hydrant in
August 6, 2007 - 17:48 ET by NortonalecIs that a fire hydrant in your pants...
I'll be here all week! Try the veal!
Nortonalec
The Public Interest of “Celebrating Diversity”
August 6, 2007 - 17:53 ET by Ten7sThe Public Interest
of “Celebrating Diversity” outweighs the rights of these individuals, and any white men involved in filing this complaint should be prosecuted for promoting “Hate Speech” against minorities. ~ The
People's Commissar
Public interest never
August 6, 2007 - 20:22 ET by Tom1969caPublic interest never outweighs the rights of any individual; to do so essentially requires that the minority be sacrificed to the majority.
Question: what if it were deemed to be in the "public interest" to round up everyone with AIDS (gay and straight) and ship them to an offshore "AIDS colony" on an island somewhere so live out their remaining days without having the opportunity to infect anyone else? I'm certainly not advocating this (being a believer in individual rights), but can you explain to me how doing so would not serve a greater "public interest" (ie: ending the AIDS epidemic in one fell-swoop)?
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"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
-- Marge Simpson
Tom1969, I was trying to be
August 6, 2007 - 23:06 ET by Ten7sTom1969, I was trying to be ironical and make a point with that Liberal boilerplate. But I guess I missed my mark.
1000 apologies
August 7, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Tom1969caSorry, Ten7s. I mistook you for one of the liberal trolls that frequent the forum. I should take to writing their screen names down so I know who they are for future reference...
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"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
-- Marge Simpson
Ah, sarcasm...
August 8, 2007 - 10:27 ET by TheDeuceDead-on balls accurate...that's a technical term.
You are correct, of course. Were this to be decided by the race baiters or advocates of further special rights for GLBTs, I can imagine any number of lefty organizations supporting suing the firemen.
The firefighters claim to
August 6, 2007 - 17:54 ET by MidAmericaThe firefighters claim to have been subjected to sexually suggestive comments from parade observers, including "show me your hose," "you can put out my fire," and "give me mouth-to-mouth."
This incident and other antics at these so-called 'gay pride' parades only serve to alienate mature adults. If they ever get over their infantile fascination with their genitals maybe they will have some real pride.
The homo-agenda.
August 6, 2007 - 18:17 ET by Dave RThis was nothing more than a (criminal, IMO) attempt to force acceptance of homosexuality onto to these firefighters, who clearly wanted no part of it. The homosexual community had better realize that heterosexuals have rights, too. Rights that were clearly violated here.
If the homosexual community continues this sort of arrogant nonsense, they are going to go too far and provoke a backlash. A very ugly one.
Live-and-let-live is a two way street. These people need to be reminded of this.
I hope their lawsuit is successful, and causes severe financial difficulties for the city government of San Diego.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Roger Hedgecock
August 6, 2007 - 18:29 ET byjust had the fire-chief on his program. She confirmed that they were indeed ordered to attend the parade! (well just like the Martin Luther King parade was her defense, all of the MLK parade can be broadcast on TV, there is much at the Gay Pride that can not)
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
hey bot...Did Roger ask
August 6, 2007 - 18:37 ET by bigtimerhey bot...
Did Roger ask what would happen if they refused? Plus did they tell her they did not want to participate and what her reasoning would possibly be legally?
I know he is in SD so it must of been a good deep inquisitve interview....I like Hedgecock a lot.
Very curious here.
(Maybe they are trying to get rid of her....lol...ya never know...)
BT
August 6, 2007 - 18:48 ET byshe was on only a short time the stuff is on-going. There is a first person (ie: eye-witness) on now who is explaining about complaints from past years. Open tab go here and you can get more info also hit 'listen live' This portion of his website has the goods
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Hey thanks bot for both of
August 6, 2007 - 18:54 ET by bigtimerHey thanks bot for both of those links for more reasons than one.
I will read through a lot of what you sent later...I am curious.
What in the hell does the
August 6, 2007 - 18:59 ET by Chris NormanWhat in the hell does the fire department have to do with "gay pride", anyway - unless hoses with cold water were needed ...:)
The dogs bark, etc.
- Arabian Proverb
Shame on you, Chris.
August 6, 2007 - 19:40 ET by Dave RLOL-Damn, that was funny.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Dave, \Thanks. Funnier
August 6, 2007 - 19:42 ET by Chris NormanDave,
\Thanks. Funnier than a bus load of whoopee cushions? :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,
August 6, 2007 - 19:57 ET by Dave RActually, it was the mental image that it conjured up, and...Oh, nevermind!
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Dave
August 6, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Chris NormanGo in the kitchen, right now, and boil your brain, while repeating, "Sunshine, lollipops, and ponies, sunshine, lollipops..."
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,
August 6, 2007 - 20:11 ET by Dave RLOL-Actually, I did go to the kitchen. I then poured up a nice, stout Bacardi & Coke (you know, the kind you can actually read through).
I'll be alright in a little while.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Dave... Uh-oh... The
August 6, 2007 - 20:14 ET by bigtimerDave...
Uh-oh...
The kind you can read through....better not have more than a handful of those....
Hangover Alert!
LMAO!
bt,
August 6, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Dave RLMAO-Well, it ain't exactly like I had anywhere pressing I have to be tomorrow.
Damnit.
'sides, I like a little Coke with my Bacardi.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Cheers Dave... Sure
August 6, 2007 - 20:39 ET by bigtimerCheers Dave...
Sure wasn't criticizing.....
bt,
August 6, 2007 - 20:56 ET by Dave RLOL-I know you weren't. I'm just having a little more difficulty than I expected. The housing market is deader than hell around here right now, which is also slightly affecting commercial development, as some are running a little scared, so my chosen area of employment isn't exactly burning up the pavement at the moment.
Had a great offer in Savannah, though, but can't relocate just yet.
For now, I can afford to be choosy, but that can't last indeffinitely.
Might have to lower my expectations for a time.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
Thanks Dave... I Second
August 6, 2007 - 19:43 ET by bigtimerThanks Dave...
I Second that!
The news release also
August 6, 2007 - 18:45 ET by CrimsonfistedThe news release also said:
"
Fire Chief, Tracy Jarman, an open lesbian, stated, “This is a fun event
and all employees are encouraged to participate.” When Jarman was
appointed Fire Chief she stated that her homosexuality has never been
an issue at the department and she has never seen any gay-related
trouble. Rooney commented, “Obviously the environment at the department
has changed for the worse since Jarman has been appointed Fire Chief.
‘Participation’ should be a voluntary act—these four firefighters had
no choice in the matter and that is wrong no matter what one’s sexual
orientation.”
WhatAMaroon
So........
August 6, 2007 - 18:51 ET by JPR1when one of these fruitloops has a serious need for emergency services (say being dragged out of a smoke filled building or being cut from a totaled Prius), will all the equipment be ready to roll?
First, they ask for
August 6, 2007 - 18:53 ET by Chris NormanFirst, they ask for tolerance. Then they demand acceptance. Now they want to be embraced and put on a pedestal. This seems to be all about insecurity...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris... Very good
August 6, 2007 - 18:57 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
Very good observation.
I have always thought that gays, l;esbians, etc, act just like 2 year old children. Two year olds with hyper sexual drives.
The simplest understanding of the gay mind is this..... it's a super short cut to easy sex! Nothing more or less!
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CT, When one is unsure of
August 6, 2007 - 19:03 ET by Chris NormanCT,
When one is unsure of him or herself, he or she demands positive reinforcement to reassure themselves that what they're doing is right. It's actually kind of sad, in a way...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
I've often wondered when
August 6, 2007 - 19:51 ET by Tom1969caI've often wondered when the "straight pride" parade is held...
... oh, that's right. We don't need to convince everyone else that our lifestyle is "normal". ("Normal" apparently being defined as walking down Main Street wearing a jock strap, a rainbow afro wig and rhinestone-encrusted sunglasses.)
~~~
"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
-- Marge Simpson
I suppose, theoretically,
August 6, 2007 - 19:57 ET by Chris NormanI suppose, theoretically, the straight equivalent would be having porn stars parade naked down Main Street. I don't get the "in your face" (no pun intended - maybe) style of "gay pride" - it's not exactly good p.r.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
If a Democrat were ever
August 6, 2007 - 22:19 ET by TEIf a Democrat were ever returned to the White House, said Commander in Chief would require every United States military installation to conduct "gay" "pride" parades on post/base with drag queens and the works. Furthermore, attendance at such freak shows would be required of every member of the U.S. military.
Whitehouse Freakshows
August 7, 2007 - 14:42 ET by Sergeant ROCKIf that were to happen, I would be out in a second.
Vegas "odds"
August 6, 2007 - 22:27 ET by deakonnWhile reading Mr Hedgecock's post, I noticed that "one (captain) was showing the other how to play craps" - anyone care to bet how quickly ANY media footage of the crowd/harrassers will "disappear", or be "irrelevant" when supoenaed? Just a thought ****