George Tiller, the Kansas doctor notorious for his commitment to performing late-term abortions, was killed May 31 while attending a Sunday morning church service.
By his count, Tiller performed 60,000 abortions. His clinic, Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, was one of only three clinics in the United States that offered abortions after the 21st week of pregnancy.
Loss of human life is a tragedy and should be reported as such, and premeditated murder is always wrong - something all the mainstream pro-life groups were quick to affirm in the wake of the killing. But in reporting this tragic story, the news media have much to say about a man who helped provide women with the "right" to end their pregnancies, but have little to say about lives he helped to end. In failing to highlight what Tiller's work actually entailed, reporters do nothing to help their audience understand why this man was targeted.
Tiller as Abortion Rights Martyr
Broadcast networks painted Tiller as a man willing to die in defense of women's rights.
All of the broadcast coverage noted past attempts people have made to disrupt Tiller's work - a bombing of his clinic in the 1980s and a 1993 attack in which he was shot in both arms - which, while pertinent to the story, also increased the aura of martyrdom that now surrounds him.
ABC's "World News Sunday" and "Good Morning America" reports featured footage of a 1991 interview of Tiller in which he insisted, "I have a right to go to work. What I am doing is legal. What I'm doing is moral. What I'm doing is ethical. And you're not going to run me out of town."
NBC's "Nightly News" report included a different clip of Tiller stating, "You simply cannot retreat when you're committed." Eleanor Smeal, current president of the Feminist Majority Foundation and former president of the National Organization for Women, told NBC, "People don't understand the need for this service, that women's lives are saved, but he did. And he was brave enough to keep going."
ABC's "World News Sunday" featured Tiller's fellow parishioner, Mickey Cohlmia, defending the abortionist: "The church has stood back behind Dr. Tiller, I think we all have, because he was a Christian, good man."
CBS' Julie Chen interviewed Tiller's lawyer, Dan Monnat, during the June 1 "Early Show." She asked, "Can you explain why Dr. Tiller continued his practice all these years, despite all the harassment?" Monnat answered, in part, "Both Dr. Tiller and his family continually asked the question, if Dr. Tiller is not here to serve a woman's right to choose, who will be here to do it? There are only a handful of late-term abortion providers that remain in the United States, and in the world. Most of them have been terrorized and run off by the protesters."
On ABC's "Good Morning America," host Diane Sawyer gave Lee Thompson, another Tiller lawyer, the same opportunity to portray him as a misunderstood servant of women. She asked, "Given the controversy and given the danger, why was he committed to doing this? What was it exactly that he wanted to make sure that he was accomplishing?" Thompson replied, "The fact that he is one of, if not the only one of too very few doctors who perform these services speaks to his dedication and his courage throughout his life."
Refusal to Look at Consequences of Abortion
There is no doubt that abortion ends a life. Yet, according to abortion proponents, including the broadcast networks, it's only the shooting of an abortion doctor that causes the abortion debate to become "deadly."
ABC's Sawyer teased the "Good Morning America" report with "The abortion debate turns deadly." "World News Sunday" anchor David Muir referred to Tiller's killing as "cold-blooded."
NBC reported President Barack Obama's response to Tiller's killing during the "Today" and "Nightly News" segments. The statement read, in part, "However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."
Late-term abortion, the procedure Tiller specialized in, could not be described as anything else but "deadly," "cold-blooded," and a "heinous act of violence."
Responses to Tiller's Death
ABC and NBC did report that many "anti-abortion" organizations condemned the actions that resulted in Tiller's death, a point left out in CBS' "Early Show" coverage. However, only the most inflammatory remarks were reported. ABC's Jeffrey Kofman quoted only the inflammatory response of Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, and several random responses from the Internet:
While many on both sides of this divisive debate condemn the shooting of Dr. Tiller, Randall Terry founder of "Operation Rescue," issued off this statement: "George Tiller was a mass murderer. He was an evil man. His hands were covered with blood." And a lot of inflammatory comments on the Internet. On Twitter, one person wrote, "Oh happy day. Tiller the baby killer is dead." Another wrote, "God bless the gunmen." Clearly the passions in this issue have not gone away."
NBC's Janet Shamlian reported during "Today," "Even in death, there would be no respite from those who opposed him. As friends remembered a 67-year-old grandfather at a vigil Sunday night, some anti-abortion protesters shouted taunts from across the street."
Statements from major pro-life organizations revealed a different story: that the pro-life community truly views all loss of human life as a tragedy.
Charmaine Yoest, president and CEO of Americans United for Life, said "The foundational right to life that our work is dedicated to extends to everyone."
Family Research Council president Tony Perkins stated, "As Christians we pray and look toward the end of all violence and for the saving of souls, not the taking of human life. George Tiller was a man who we publicly sought to stop through legal and peaceful means.
Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, reminded people of how most pro-life advocates protest, "Through the years, hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers have prayed for George Tiller, peacefully tried to persuade him to end his killing of innocent children and exploitation of women, and actively worked to enforce the laws of Kansas. We were guided by the hope that he would change his ways and find forgiveness in Jesus Christ.
The National Right to Life Committee's executive director, Dr. David N. O'Steen, affirmed the notion that all life is sacred, "The pro-life movement works to protect the right to life and increase respect for human life. The unlawful use of violence is directly contrary to that goal."
Blogging from the Left
Bloggers also attempted to glorify Dr. Tiller. Michelle Goldberg, of "The Daily Beast," wrote, "Tiller, known for providing late-term abortions, had been unbowed by the relentless campaign against him." According to the blog's Joe Stumpe, Tiller's original plan was to become a dermatologist, but he took over his father's general practice. That practice had performed abortions since a woman to whom Tiller Senior had denied the procedure died during a "back-alley abortion."
Jill Brooke, from "The Huffington Post" made Tiller out to be a humanitarian, describing how he was the only doctor who could help a friend of hers who wanted to terminate her pregnancy after learning the baby would be born deformed. That friend, Brooke wrote, "says a prayer for Dr. Tiller almost every day," and called Tiller "a hero" after learning about his murder.
Bloggers also attempted to link Dr. Tiller's death with terrorism. Stumpe called The Army of God, a branch of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, "a terrorist offshoot." Michelle Kraus of "The Huffington Post," who described Dr. Tiller as "an unassuming man who did not choose his destiny," wrote that his death "is an act of domestic terrorism at its worst."
Jill Filipovic, of the "Guardian.co.Uk." also tried to link Dr. Tiller's death to terrorism. "Not surprisingly, his killer is strongly suspected to be affiliated with the "pro-life" movement. If that's the case, it makes Tiller the 10th person in the United States to be murdered by anti-choice terrorists."
Another "Huffington Post" blogger, Cristina Page, wrote, "One can only conclude that like terrorist sleeper cells, these extremists have now been set in motion. Indeed the evidence is already there. The chatter, the threats, the hate-filled rhetoric are abundant."
At the People for the American Way's "Right Wing Watch," Kyle gleefully connected the murder to the Department of Homeland Security's recent report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The report, which insulted many Christians and veterans' groups, singled out returning Iraq veterans and mentioned "groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
"All of the caterwalling eventually lead DHS to pull the report ...," Kyle wrote, "but in light of the details emerging about Scott Roeder, the man arrested in the killing of physician George Tiller, it seems as if the report - far from being an offensive attack on Christians and anti-choice activists - was remarkably timely and accurate."
CMI Intern Sarah Knoploh contributed to this report.
—Colleen Raezler is a research assistant at the Culture and Media Institute




















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He should not have been
June 2, 2009 - 09:29 ET by TexasteacherHe should not have been shot in a church. He should have had the same procedure he performed on 60,000 children done to him. He was a murderer and hell is glad to have him. Anyone who thinks he was a martyr deserves to have a late-term abortion performed on them as well.
The only way I would even think of supporting abortion (very early, never late) is if there was immediate danger to the life of the mother and the child wouldn't make it anyway. I think for rape/incest it should be an extremely discouraged option. There are millions of families that would love to adopt a child (mine included). But anyone slaughtering an innocent child out of convinence (or anyone supporting it) has a special place in hell waiting.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
So What Is Extreme?
June 2, 2009 - 09:34 ET by GeneralAlAs the left gleefully potrays Tiller the Baby Killer as a martyr, how do they define extreme? Please tell me how a baby carried to almost full term presents a danger to the health of the mother? Is it because she won't be able to sleep around if shes single or carouse if shes married? Will the baby upset her social life? If she carried this baby to this point with no problems, she should have no fears. There is no better illustration of extreme than late abortion. The fact that we protest is not an example of nor does it come close to being extreme!
A reference is made to aborting a baby that would have been deformed. I thought the left was the defender of the downtrodden? I guess that applies to only those who have no noticeable defects! These are the same two faced liars who decry the American Service Men and Women for supposedly killing innocent children in Iraq. Where does the innocence begin? Is it only after a birth certificate is produced? Is the child a non-human until assigned a name?
Abortionist should all be charged with murder! This guy should have been excuted for murder as should all murderers! I am sick of the situation ethics the left applies every time they are pinned into a corner! It was wrong to kill this guy and the murderer should pay. This guy was a murderer as well and that should not be swept under the rug!
The Millions of Dollars
June 2, 2009 - 09:46 ET by mbs6What, no mention in the media of his profit motive? He was just being a good capitalist who found his niche in the market. He literally made himself rich from his butchery.
I was in a college class
June 2, 2009 - 09:53 ET by MazziI was in a college class last semester with an unusually young student polulation. The topic of late-term abortion came up in a discussion, and not ONE of those kids knew what it meant. They assumed that it was just the same as a "normal" procedure. When I told them to "google it" and gave them a brief rundown of the reality, their reactions ranged from disbelief to horror.
The point is that we have to get the word out in brief, shocking and yet not terribly graphic terms, especially to the young people in this country. Otherwise, they will continue to make assumptions about what it really means to perform a late-term abortion. If we can educate them, trust me - the majority will find it as disturbing as the rest of us do. And, if we can get the youth involved, there is a good chance that we can get the legal murdering stopped.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Muslim terrorists not found in MSM
June 2, 2009 - 09:55 ET by stunnedtired of liberal lies
Reuters has the story all over it as does the rest of the wire services of the murder of Dr Death. But when I went to Reuters today for an update on another act of "terrorism" that occured this weekend and this is what you get. I also tried Muslim shoots recruiter and got web hits for both but nothing on the wire services sites I tried. But maybe the Doctor's death is the bigger story as "it makes Tiller the 10th person in the United States to be murdered by anti-choice terrorists."(over forty years)-UK Guardian. I mean Muslims have slaughtered more than 3000 in the United States in the past 81/2 years and would have slaughtered 10 times that number if they were able. I guess media reaction could be a "ho hum nothing new to look at here so let's move on" attitude. But it would be nice if someone, anyone in the MSM actually followed up on who converted this guy, what were the connections from his mosque here in the US to the one in Yemen where the shooter recently "studied", when he recently arrived back here who was with him, how many other traveled with him over there with him ect. ect. Liberal media "reporting" is why the MSM is dying I'll guess I'll have to continue to go to Jihad Watch for updates.
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June 2, 2009 - 09:58 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe the MSM doesn't want to brag about the murderers in their family.
"The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the court is because he's black". - Joe Biden
60,000 dead babies. 1
June 2, 2009 - 09:56 ET by mattm60,000 dead babies.
1 dead abortionist.
Somehow I find it difficult to find fault with his killing. I guess that makes me a domestic terrorist.
BTW - what was that baby murderer doing at church anyway?
Over the Line
June 2, 2009 - 10:30 ET by mbs6"Somehow I find it difficult to find fault with his killing."
I can't agree with this statement. His killing was wrong, plain and simple, and the guy who did it will deserve the justice he gets. Having said that, I can't weep that Tiller is gone and that his "work" has been stymied.
Let's just say that the Lord works in mysterious ways.
June 2, 2009 - 10:59 ET by jazboThose who believe in nothing will believe anything.
→ Valkyrie
June 2, 2009 - 11:05 ET by Cool ArrowI compare Roeder to another man who attempted to murder Hitler in cold blood.
It was an illegal act, and should not have been attempted.
You'll remember, killing Jews used to be legal in Germany.
The libs look very comfortable in those shoes, don't they?
"The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the court is because he's black". - Joe Biden
Good morning Cool
June 2, 2009 - 11:18 ET by cocodrieExcellent point Cool.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
cocodrie
June 2, 2009 - 13:43 ET by danebramageChange "Jesus" to "George Tiller" in your sig and you will have the MSM's slogan of the day.
I didn't say I don't find
June 2, 2009 - 11:02 ET by mattmI didn't say I don't find fault with it; just that it's difficult to.
People need to put a little more effort into understanding what they read.
Wonder if people know
June 2, 2009 - 13:30 ET by sevenPost abortion the suicide rate is very high. Very high. These are deaths that no one hears about. Actually in one study when looking at death certificates, 94 percent that were post abortion did n't reflect that as cause of death. It required digging to find out.
Deuteronomy 13 (King James
June 2, 2009 - 15:20 ET byDeuteronomy 13 (King James Version)
Deuteronomy 13
1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Supposed Christians are some of the dumbest, most misguided people in the world. This is the reason that people like me advocate for strict adherence in baptism and reception of the holy ghost evidenced by the Spirit of God speaking FOR you. The false churches have manufactured a FAKE COMPASSION, a FAKE FAITH and a stupid way of viewing the freaking world and the enemies of the cross.
George Tiller was an enemy of Jesus Christ and I don't give a DAMN how many stupid Christians with one scripture under their belt try to make him something else. Jesus said BY THEIR FRUIT YE SHALL KNOW THEM. The fruit of George Tiller is 60,000 DEAD BABIES give or take a THOUSAND. I printed the above scripture for all of the weak kneed girly man assed alleged Christians who think that their hand wringing on behalf of Tiller is welcomed by God. It isn't. You're an idiot.
In the first half of the above scripture verses 1-5 the SIN, the THING FOR WHICH THE DEATH PENALTY METED OUT BY CITIZENS was required for was a FALSE PROPHET TEACHING PEOPLE TO WORSHIP "OTHER" GOD'S. Get it? Just having a freakin' opinion that was NOT the opinion of the LORD as to who HE is! Do you lilly livered "Christians" understand that? The Lord your supposed God ( he's mine, but I ain't so sure about some of you!), ordered THE DEATH OF PEOPLE THAT ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO "EXPLORE OTHER FAITHS"~!!!!!!
In the second half of the above scripture says that if your BROTHER, the SON OF YOUR MOTHER, or your DAUGHTER or your WIFE entices you to "EXPLORE OTHER FAITHS", they should be KILLED. STONED IN FACT. By anyone with the courage to pick up the rock. *Clink* A toast to the killer of Tiller the baby killer! Bien Hecho ( well done)! The so called Christian church has been leavened by such satanic filth that you now find compassion for someone who killed 60,000 children. SHAME ON YOU. Your religion like your common sense is MISPLACED. The same Jesus that told Moses to KILL people just for worshipping other Gods, the same Jesus that told YOU that preventing these "little ones" from "coming to Him" would be worse for you than if a MILLSTONE were hung around your neck and you were thrust into the SEA, doesn't give a flying frig about George Tiller. Other than to sign the OK to Tiller's death that is! You people expressing compassion for this piece of feculence are pathetic. You don't seem to have the slightest clue of who Jesus is, why he came and most importantly, WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WHEN HE COMES BACK. And if the LORD of HOSTS told people to KILL their OWN family members for advocating "other" ways to worship God, only a completely misguided IDIOT would not understand how Christ feels about a murderer of 60,000 children. Perhaps you should look at the Lord's opinion of how YOU should FEEL about those He has CONDEMNED TO DEATH. Deut 13:8
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
NEITHER SHALL THINE EYE PITY HIM. You offend Jesus with your FAKE COMPASSION for and ENEMY OF THE CROSS. Man up and grow a pair, would ya?
Speaking for yourself again, I see
June 2, 2009 - 15:26 ET by CobraMan"Supposed Christians are some of the dumbest, most misguided people in the world."
Well, since you're one of those supposed Christians, I guess that makes YOU one of the dumbest, most misguided people in the world as well, correct? Or are you a hypocrite?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
As I have stated REPEATEDLY
June 3, 2009 - 03:09 ET byAs I have stated REPEATEDLY there is nothing "supposed" about MY Christianity. I have the PROOF of my salvation which you obviously LACK. There are "regenerated" Christians and UNREGENERATED "Christians". You fall in the latter category. It is these "christians" that will be in danger when we get here....Matt 7:21-23.
Proof of your salvation is given thusly, Acts 2:4. acts 10:44-48, acts 19:1-6, Isa 28:11,12
The fact that it IS proof is that when you receive it the same way that the Apostles did it is the GUARANTEE of your inheritance. Eph 1:13-15 .
That my friend would be the difference between me and thee. You "believe", I KNOW. But that doesn't make me better than you or anything. It's not like it's an exclusive club that you can't join! All you have to do is be OBEDIENT. Peter told you this "Acts 2:38" if you're catholic you erroneously believe him to have been your first "pope", which he was not , but WHY HAVEN'T YOU OBEYED?
If you were baptized in a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, or Methodist church, you have NOT been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. You were falsely baptized in the empty titles of "Father" "Son" and "Holy Ghost", none of which is a name. Which is why the Apostles ONLY used the NAME OF JESUS in baptism. But folks like you who think they are a law unto themselves, don't believe they have to follow so clear an example. One day you'll know. Hope it's not on the Matt 7:21-23 day!
George Tiller, a "supposed
June 3, 2009 - 06:58 ET by GrannyGrump42George Tiller, a "supposed Christian", was certainly misguided, though I doubt that he was dumb.
A self-appointed sheppard?
June 2, 2009 - 15:30 ET by CobraMan"This is the reason that people like me advocate for strict adherence in baptism and reception of the holy ghost evidenced by the Spirit of God speaking FOR you."
Who assigned YOU the authority, or the privilege, to speak FOR me, or anyone else for that matter? Did God anoint you as our spiritual leader, our True Guardian of the Human Soul? No? I didn't think so.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
First who the hell are you?
June 3, 2009 - 02:42 ET byFirst who the hell are you? Why would you think I was "speaking for you"? I am a spiritual leader since I know more about the bible than you or anyone you have ever met. Otherwise it would be YOU advocating baptism in Jesus name and proper reception of the Holy Spirit. YOU sir, are exactly the kind of person I was referring to. One who's ideas about Christ or Christianity don't come from the BIBLE.
I wasn't speaking "For" you. The fact that you don't know that the Holy Ghost SPEAKS FOR YOU when you receive it, tells me all I need to know about your "biblical knowledge" or shall we say the lack thereof?
Clanging Cymbal Alert
June 3, 2009 - 14:27 ET by dark_dsActs .....Clanging Cymbal Alert
_______ Him and the Unicorn he rode in on
Thou art guilty of Vainglory, Sir
June 3, 2009 - 14:50 ET by SickofLibs"I know more about the bible than you or anyone you have EVER MET."
Wow. I'm no Biblical schlolar like you, but I'd say you just committed the 7th Deadly Sin: Pride (aka hubris/vainglory)
Acts must be a big hit at
June 3, 2009 - 16:22 ET by JasonCActs must be a big hit at parties.
Excellent point, CobraMan
June 3, 2009 - 16:07 ET by JerWho assigned YOU the authority, or the privilege, to speak FOR me, or anyone else for that matter? Did God anoint you as our spiritual leader, our True Guardian of the Human Soul? No? I didn't think so.
Excellent point, CobraMan. Not to mention that the slot has already been filled via the anointment of Dan the Man 2 as NB's official "Guardian Of Souls". The staff will keep your resume` on file, Acts.
Jer
Good evening Acts
June 2, 2009 - 15:41 ET by cocodrieYou need to consider attending a good seminary and have someone explain in detail the gospels and the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Seminaries are for
June 3, 2009 - 03:00 ET bySeminaries are for incorrectly baptized, one scripture having morons like you who are not bound by scripture but instead prefer to make up their religion as they go along.
You are the so called Christian who alleged that God doesn't "hate" sinners, are you not? Since you were so cumulatively spanked down with the plethora of scriptures calling you a liar, I thought you'd have the sense to shut up.
So EVERYONE when you're listening to old COCODRIE here , remember that this is the "christian" that thinks that Jesus doesn't hate sin! In fact this genius said and I quote, "
Jesus is the most tolerant person to ever exist. He Allowed sinners to be in His presence and allowed them complete freedom of expression. Then HE died for them. That is the direct opposite of intolerance."
Jesus was so tolerant that he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of sin, huh? He was sooooo tolerant that, contrary to the false christian doctrine you espouse he plans to tell some people on the day of Judgement the following. Please note the reason for the message they will receive.
Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Umm Mr Cocodrie? If you look up the meaning of the word INIQUITY you will find that it means SIN. So the "most tolerant person to ever exist" is planning on sending a whole lotta people to hell for their "iniquities". See how stupid you sound when you talk out of your ass instead of scripture? I think it is yOU who needs a "seminary" because you clearly haven't learned anything.
The reason that my words sound strange is because you don't have the Holy Ghost, you just think you do. It only comes one way ( acts 2:4) and you refuse to believe that for some undetermined reason. I notice that you've stopped trying to quote scripture in your posts since I've beaten that snake to death. I almost spit up in my mouth reading the poor guy down below who thinks you have "superior scriptural knowledge". Now THAT'S funny! Get baptized like everyone else in the bible, receive Christ's Spirit like EVERYONE ELSE in the bible, Acts 2:4 acts 2:33 acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-6) and then get back to me.
Until then you're just another ill baptized know nothing who thinks that you accrue righteousness by feeling sorry for a baby killer. In SPITE of Christ SPECIFICALLY TELLING YOU not to "pity" those who He has condemned to death!
Deut 13
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
As I stated before, the Lord had His people KILL those who TALKED about going after heathen gods. He also specifically told YOU not to PITY those who he deemed worthy of death. So, if you think that He cares positively about your compassion for the baby killer, you're the one who can't read. You have a religion all to yourself because it surely ain't the one in the bible.
I just think he meant some supposed christians. I was not
June 3, 2009 - 14:20 ET by pahuberoffended by it and actually believe he was quite correct in many of his comments.
We exist in a sick and dying society
June 2, 2009 - 10:11 ET by R D HelmWhen it has gotten to the point where the word "choice" has been substituted for the word "murder," and when those who speak out against this murder are referred to as "crazy," there really isn't much hope left for us.
-Dave
Uh uh
June 2, 2009 - 13:47 ET by danebramageIt's not us, R.D. We were never perfect, but we were never certifiably batsh*t insane, either. Our society is not sick and dying. It has been deliberately murdered, just like the kids.
mad feminists
June 2, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Blogger Guy00001The reaction is due to fear of mad feminists. They are vicious, vile and mean. They use every resource at hand to destroy people who won't do what they demand. Most media types and politicians are in fear of angering them because they know that their lives and careers will be destroyed.
Hero? Not likely.
June 2, 2009 - 10:29 ET by srhoadesTiller was not a hero, he is not a martyr and he was neither an adovcate or champion for women's/reproductive rights. He was in it for the money, period.
shame
June 2, 2009 - 10:32 ET by boomerconThe shame here is that the Tiller Killer is such a whackjob. His act now gives the libs the avenue to paint all pro-lifers with that same brush.
Tiller could've died in a tragic accident many times, in many ways, through the years, and while the libs would grieve, at least the pro-lifers wouldn't have been tainted.
But that's not the way we work, so; heads up, smiles, go about your day. They know the truth, but they surely do enjoy preaching to their choir.
There are a lot more than
June 2, 2009 - 11:26 ET by GrannyGrump42There are a lot more than three abortion mills killing past 21 weeks. Abortion Clinics Online lists 36, and there are no doubt more that are too cheap to advertise at that site and only take out print ads in local Spanish language newspapers.
http://www.gynpages.com/ACOL/category/late.html
Gov Sebelious
June 2, 2009 - 11:47 ET by sevenThe Kansas attorney general, the local D.A. and his legal council are mourning. Deep agony. He supported them with his filthe lucre. Dan Monnat gloated at the last trial and now his cash cow is dry. Had abortion rights failed, no one would ever have heard his name.
I have no doubt that a team
June 2, 2009 - 16:57 ET by GrannyGrump42I have no doubt that a team of National Abortion Federation bigwigs are meeting with Tiller's pet politicians right now formalizing the transfer of ownership.
late term abortion
June 2, 2009 - 15:17 ET by bknownstI have heard some people say the guy was not "murdered" it was a late term abortion in their opinion.
Perfect
June 2, 2009 - 18:25 ET by danebramageThanks for posting that. That is going to be my response whenever anyone talks about Tiller's murder.
It has already been posted
June 2, 2009 - 19:27 ET by JerIt has already been posted several times here over the past couple of days.
Jer
I know what this man did was
June 2, 2009 - 15:23 ET by CamelopardalisI know what this man did was evil, but I can't help but feel sorry for him. He had so much blood on his hands and there's no turning back...
I have a question for the Christians here: Can Tiller be considered a 'saved' individual because he accepted Jesus Christ, in spite of what he did?
Only God knows. Doubling
June 2, 2009 - 15:29 ET by bigtimerOnly God knows.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Good evening Camelopardalis
June 2, 2009 - 15:34 ET by cocodrieJesus will forgive anyone for any sin if one repents. Repentance is more than saying "I'm sorry". Repentance is being truly sorry, turning away from that sin and no longer committing it.
I feel sorry for him too because if he did not repent, he is regretting it now.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Jesus will not forgive every sin...
June 2, 2009 - 19:22 ET by Gecksthe deliberate taking of innocent life is unforgivable. And knowing what this monster did for a living, how could the congregation of his "church" stand behind him? Were the crosses in that room hung upside down?
Destiny rarely calls on you when it is convenient!
Jesus said the only
June 2, 2009 - 19:52 ET by GrannyGrump42Jesus said the only unforgivable sin was "blaspheming against the Holy Spirit".
Murder wasn't mentioned.
And come to think of it, Moses was a murderer. As was King David. Both of them seemed to be favorites with The Almighty even after those crimes. They key was that they repented.
cocodrie...urgent answer needed
June 2, 2009 - 19:43 ET by Jercocodrie...
I'm going to defer to your superior knowledge of scripture with this question:
If someone had committed adultery, say, seven months ago, with an ex-girl friend, whom he hadn't seen in years, and she just happened to be in town for a few hours, and that someone hadn't sinned since but then suddenly died without having expressly repented or sought forgiveness, would that someone go to Hell?
Jer
Before you get misled by
June 3, 2009 - 03:55 ET byBefore you get misled by Cocodrie ( see post above for excerpt of his foolishness concerning scripture), allow me. The question is not whether the man in your hypothetical committed the sin, the question is whether or not he had done what Jesus said one MUST do in order to be saved. John 3:1-3, Acts 1:4-8, Acts 2-4,acts 2:38.
My other question would be how you think it is possible for the man "not to" have sinned in the seven months. You clearly think the man who "committed adultery" seven months ago, "hadn't sinned since". This is not biblical my friend.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Those fake Christians who imagine themselves pure as the driven snow because they don't do various things that they'll list on command are misguided.
See, rather than listen to people like Cocodrie who'll try to sell you Jesus' TOLERANCE OF SIN, (see post above on his stuff) why not look at what Jesus actually had to say about it?
Matthew 5:27-29 (King James Version)
27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
That last bit doesn't sound all that "tolerant" to me. But I digress. As you can see from verse 28, contrary to the false doctrine of Coco and the Catholic, baptist, lutheran, protestant, and episcopal churches, the standard on sin GOT narrower IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, not looser as the false doctrinaires suppose. Jesus said that if you LOOK at her to lust after her it is the SAME to Him as if you'd schtupped her! Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Fornication, killing and homosexuality aren't the only sins you know? Looking at someone with the wrong thing in your heart would be a sin. A Christian has to ask for forgiveness EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU PRAY my friend.
Now, I am not "coddling sin", I am not telling you do what you want and it'll all come out in the rinse. No sir. 1 Co 6:9-11 has quite a lengthy list of those things that one cannot practice and see the Kingdom of God! But the bible also says that ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN ( 1Jon 5:17). And that my friend, paints with a wide swath. Because the imagination of man is evil continually (GEN 6:5) this was Jesus' response when the Apostles asked him HOW THEY SHOULD PRAY.
Luke 11
1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3Give us day by day our daily bread.
4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
The churches of false doctrine have falsely named this prayer "The Lord's Prayer". Nothing could be further from the truth, it's not "The Lord's" prayer. It is OUR PRAYER. It is EXACTLY what he told US to pray EVERYTIME we Pray! If they understood that they might understand their continual need for "forgiveness". And then their false doctrine would be closer to the doctrine of John who said that if we say we've done nothing wrong we LIE and Jesus who said that our imaginations are wicked and that we have a CONTINUAL need of forgiveness! And he does indeed provide Forgiveness. But only to those whom He has saved!
Ephesians 1:6-8 (King James Version)
6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
In order to have redemption through his blood you have to have that blood applied to your life. This is the purpose of proper baptism in Jesus' name, Rom 6:3-6, it is for identification with the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. In the (false) Trinitarian concept of three personages, neither the Father nor the Holy Ghost went to the cross. And since baptism is ABOUT what was done on the cross it would even make sense from a false trinitarian perspective, to baptize as the apostles did, in Jesus name. But they don't. They are a law unto themselves. They say in their mockery, "We are not bound by what the Apostles taught". Well since THEIR names are written on the foundations of the Holy City, I think I'll throw in with them as opposed to some Johnny come lately with three scriptures to his name!
After BEING SAVED and being GIVEN THE PROOF, the blood of Christ is applied to your life through baptism, this is for the forgiveness of sins ( acts 2:38) once you do this someone will pray with you until the Lord SPEAKS through you in a language you never learned, (Mark 16:15-20, Acts 1:4-8, Acts 2:4, 33) That same blood which forgives goes through both directions of your life. That which came before is cleansed and a pathway to redemption is opened for your future. But a Christian asks to be forgiven EVERY TIME he pray's my friend, which would negate the premise of your question. Since he is supposed to "pray without ceasing" a Christian wouldn't let seven months go by. Hopefully. God bless.
Actually if you think about
June 3, 2009 - 02:38 ET byActually if you think about it.....THEY ARE RIGHT. TILLER IS A MARTYR! Martyr's die in the service of their "god" right. Well the bible describes SATAN as the "god", small "g" of this world. So since Tiller definitely died in the service of HIS "god" I guess to a hellbound liberal, he would be something of a Martyr. Unlike those two soldiers whom the media couldn't give a flying fart about.
And as for that "backlash" against Prolifers! Yeah, right. Liberals are cowardly pieces of nothing much. Afraid of their own shadows and more prone to suicide than to fighting somebody. So let the back lash begin! "BRING IT ON". Nothing would please me more that "temple whipping" some stupid liberal! LOL.
That said. Now, I'm not advocating this...but...have you ever thought about what would happen if MORE abortion doctors were killed? Judging from the way liberals bend over and grab the ankles for MUSLIMS, I'd say the Pro-Life movement might just gain some respect. Or at least the liberals would make someone ELSE the terrorists in their movies! LOL.
just another Nazi doctor
June 3, 2009 - 11:46 ET by j17ghsI can't help but think of Tiller as just another Nazi concentration camp-type "physician," especially given the Democrats' past associations with Nazism, among other political horrors. Only because eugenics was so strongly associated with the Third Reich did Democrats have to give up the party's support of racial purification, which was based on Darwinism (more history kids aren't taught today by Democratic controlled schools).
The Democrats have retaliated, especially after the Civil Rights Act was forced on them in 1964, and Democrats set about creating Marxist strongholds all throughout the country, using the black population as dupes. Today, we have a Marxist as president who has just enough African DNA to appear black. And his Nazi puppeteer, George Soros, controls the strings.
I can't help but think of
June 3, 2009 - 11:58 ET by JasonCI can't help but think of Tiller as just another Nazi concentration camp-type "physician,"
Despite the fact that those whom he provided the procedure for were there of their own free will and accord?
especially given the Democrats' past associations with Nazism, among other political horrors.
Which associations/other horrors were these?
Only because eugenics was so strongly associated with the Third Reich did Democrats have to give up the party's support of racial purification, which was based on Darwinism (more history kids aren't taught today by Democratic controlled schools).
In what form did the Democrats advocate "racial purification"? How are schools controlled by Democrats? I was under the perhaps naive impression that they were 'controlled' by school boards, which are made up of people from the schools' own communities.
Your last paragraph is paranoid and unfounded beyond belief...and just vague and general enough that I'm certain you'll find a way to convince some highly suggestible types with some sort of half-baked conspiracy theory.
jason, I am not surprised you would want to carry tiller's water
June 3, 2009 - 15:00 ET by pahuberLet me help you, again.
"Despite the fact that those whom he provided the procedure for were there of their own free will and accord?"
- The type of murder that he performed on partially born babies? Yes that smacks of some Nazi type experiments regardless of how ignorant or stupid his patients were.
"Which associations/other horrors were these?"
- See WWII under 3rd Reich. You really need to understand your history, jason.
"How are schools controlled by Democrats? I was under the perhaps naive
impression that they were 'controlled' by school boards, which are made
up of people from the schools' own communities. "
- See teacher union, NEA. An extremely powerful leftwing teachers union... no paranoia here, jason.
Well if it isn't NB's
June 3, 2009 - 16:21 ET by JasonCWell if it isn't NB's latest self-appointed lean mean troll-hunting machine.
Nazi "physicians" performed horrific experiments and procedures on people quite against their will. Tiller was a licensed ob/gyn who performed a regulated, legal procedure on women who came to him for that exact reason. You can argue with the ethics of abortion all you want, but the Nazi comparison, attractive and evocative as it is to the pro-life side, does not hold up and never has.
I am perfectly aware of what Nazism and the 3rd Reich are. Thanks for the research tip. It should be fairly obvious that I was asking what these alleged associations of democrats w/ same are based on. And also what other horrific things democrats are supposedly associated with. And the question, I might add, was directed to j17ghs.
Of course, it would have been halfway reasonable to say "Our public schools are excessively influenced by the NEA, which has demonstrably leftist leanings; here's what I think have been the effects of this and here's what I think should be done." That's a statement I could have a conversation about. It's quite different from "Only because eugenics was so strongly associated with the Third Reich
did Democrats have to give up the party's support of racial
purification, which was based on Darwinism (more history kids aren't
taught today by Democratic controlled schools)." Although actually, that was a pretty nifty rhetorical trick. Make an absurd and baseless accusation and then presume that the only reason said accusation isn't common knowledge is because of the quality of school systems.
As to the final paragraph...come on. Marxist strongholds? Black people as dupes? George Soros a nazi? Let's get a grip shall we? I've always particularly loved the conservative argument behind that second point. It assumes that black people only vote democrat because they've been 'duped', which implicitly suggests that the conservative making the argument thinks black people, across the board, are too weak-willed and suggestible to think for themselves. Way to not be racist there.
Thanks jasonC... LOL
June 3, 2009 - 23:37 ET by pahuber"Well if it isn't NB's latest self-appointed lean mean troll-hunting machine."
You bet your a$$ you ugly troll skank : )
"Nazi "physicians" performed horrific experiments and procedures on people quite against their will. "
Gee golly willickers! Oooooh Myyyyy!
"Tiller was a licensed ob/gyn who performed a regulated, legal procedure on women who came to him for that exact reason."
Oh yesss sirrrreeee and that makes it soooo OK!
"You can argue with the ethics of abortion all you want, but the Nazi
comparison, attractive and evocative as it is to the pro-life side,
does not hold up and never has."
LOL You're so insane.
Keep carrying stiller's water, jasonC.
It's such a trip to watch.
It doesn't make it "OK",
June 4, 2009 - 07:26 ET by JasonCIt doesn't make it "OK", Jethro. It makes it non-comparable to the holocaust.
I'm the troll? You didn't even attempt to answer a single question.
Jason... You're talking
June 4, 2009 - 00:19 ET by JerJason...
You're talking to the guy (j17ghs) who last night was claiming that Joe McCarthy didn't die as we have been lead to believe [by liberal historians and educators] for the past fifty years, but instead was bumped off by a nefarious cabal of treasonous Democrats--just like Vince Foster.
Jer