Biden is 'Full Employment for Fact-Checkers'

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Pay close attention to Joe Biden's words tonight. During an appearance on this morning's "Morning Joe" Bill Adair, Washington bureau chief for the St. Petersburg Times and editor of politifact.com, implied that Barack Obama's running mate is not always truthful. Adair told hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski that "from a fact-checker's standpoint, we should be grateful to Joe Biden" because he is "full employment for fact checkers."

Brzezinski asked Adair about "the most outrageous statement" by Biden and Adair pointed to Biden's soundbite in which he says John McCain votes with George W. Bush 95 percent of the time. He discredited it, along with a charge from Hillary Clinton's speech last night about John McCain desire to privatize social security, "I thought, well, in terms of Biden, the 95% is just something where you've got to understand that that's sort of the worse case scenario. He's cherry picking. 95% was last year. Last night one of the things that Senator Clinton said that we'll hear a lot is John McCain wants to privatize social security. We heard it from several of the other speakers last night. You know, that's a real exaggeration. McCain is actually really vague and fuzzy on social security."

Biden's "95 percent of the time" charge may be the "worst-case scenario" but the fact remains that people should pay close attention to what Biden says tonight. 

Full transcript below:

JOE SCARBOROUGH:  This guy is the nitpicker of all nitpickers. He is the Washington bureau chief for the St. Petersburg Times and also he's the editor of politifact.Com. Bill Adair. What's going on with the Rays? When are the Ray's going to start losing?

BILL ADAIR, St. Petersburg Times: Well it's been interesting that we definitely saw, before Hillary last night, we saw a change in the rhetoric that they are really beginning now to set the narrative about McCain. So we spend a lot of time on politifact fact-checking what was going on last night. We're beginning to really see some of the same claims come up again. Did you hear the one, we've heard it a lot, McCain votes with Bush 95% of the time. And we've heard that from Obama. We've heard it from most recently from Biden. And on our truth-o-meter, we've been pretty harsh on them about that, particularly Biden who said it on Saturday because you hear that and you think wow, McCain's in the tank for Bush.

SCARBOROUGH: By the way, can I just say you should not apply the truth-o-meter to Joe Biden. Because I think we all agree here we love the guy, whether what he's saying is the truth or not, if it's exaggerated, we really don't care. Seriously.  He's Joe.

MIKE BARNICLE: We're hopelessly biased.

SCARBOROUGH: You know how the markets already, they sort of, if a hurricane is coming, three days before, they figure that in. We know he's going to exaggerate, so just don't waste your time.

ADAIR: Maybe we should have a special sort of calibrated truth-o-meter for Biden.

SCARBOROUGH: I think you need to calibrate because we love him and we really don't care whether what he's saying is the truth or not. He says it anyway.

BRZEZINSKI: What was the most outrageous thing he said?

ADAIR: I thought, well, in terms of Biden, the 95 percent is just something where you've got to understand that that's sort of the worse case scenario. He's cherry picking. 95 percent was last year. Last night one of the things that Senator Clinton said that we'll hear a lot is John McCain wants to privatize social security. We heard it from several of the other speakers last night. You know, that's a real exaggeration. McCain is actually really vague and fuzzy on social security.

SCARBOROUGH: Let me ask you this question. When Bush was pushing his plan to privatize social security, did McCain support that? You need to go back and check up on that.

ADAIR: You stumped me. Yeah. And yes, he did. He did support it.

SCARBOROUGH: Okay.

ADAIR: When you look at what he has said in his tax plan this time, he's not necessarily embracing the same kind of plan Bush that did in 2005.

SCARBOROUGH: Bill, the past is prologue, my man. The past is prologue.

ADAIR: Well, it's important to look at what these guys say. And that's what we try to do at politifact is to really look at their wording and rate whether it's true or not. And we're really beginning to see the exaggeration.

SCARBOROUGH: Help me out. Over the past couple weeks, the race has tightened up, but it's tightened up because Steve Schmidt and the McCain campaign have come out swinging hard, they've been focused, they've had a lot of attacks, the celeb-attacks, the Moses attack, one of the funniest commercials I've ever seen in my life.

BRZEZINSKI: It was pretty funny. 

SCARBOROUGH: And they just keep going after him. I don't need specifics because, you know, in our business we really don't want to know politi-facts, just generally, has the tenor of the attacks coming from McCain campaign been fair? Have they been honest or are they cheap shots?

ADAIR: Well, and I would say not just the McCain campaign, the Obama campaign, too. We're giving a lot of barely true ratings on our truth-o-meter, and that's because they have a grain of truth but the overall point is a distortion. And we've seen a lot more of those over the summer. They used to count for about  12 percent of our ratings now they count for 22 percent.

SCARBOROUGH: So they get a lot more aggressive with the truth.

ADAIR: Absolutely. And the summer-              

SCARBOROUGH: That's the way we like it.

ADAIR: -it's been much more aggressive much earlier. And it's -- you really need to be aware, these TV ads that will have a tiny bit of truth and the overall point is just not accurate.

SCARBOROUGH: We now pass it over to MSNBC Senior Statesman Mike Barnicle for a question. Mike.

BARNICLE: Well, can we get an agreement from you that from now to the election you'll stop running down Joe Biden?

BRZEZINSKI: Yeah, really.  That's just one thing we have a problem with.

ADAIR: I saw an Obama senior aide the other day, and I told her, I said, you know, I've got to be honest. From a fact checkers standpoint we are grateful for Joe Biden.

BRZEZINSKI: Keeps you in business.

ADAIR: He does. He's full employment for fact checkers.

—Colleen Raezler is a research assistant at the Culture and Media Institute


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"Biden is 'Full Employment

"Biden is 'Full Employment for Fact-Checkers"

Great line! Brit Hume was laughing about how, if you believed everything the Democrats say in their conventions speeches, you'd think "we were all living in Belarus" and starving. Even Kristin Powers (Dem)was laughing at that.

McNotObama '08

Well it seems Biden is good

Well it seems Biden is good for something after-all.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Maybe there's one other thing Biden's good for...

Reminding us of past speeches from others?
Calling all quote checkers...

McNotObama '08

Privitaze a Small Portion = Privatization?

So if Bush wanted to allow a SMALL portion of the SS Tax we pay to be placed in Private Savings Accounts... that equals Privatizing Social Security?

Do F*cking think so, but ANY loss of funds to the Government for thse Bastards to WASTE on their Marxist programs is something to be demonized!

Hey Barack, you SOB. We don't need your stinkin CHANGE!

Biden is the worst exaggerator in a party of exaggeration

We're in the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. Uh...not even close.

We have two wars going on. Uh, technically it's the same war and it classifies as a Medium Regional Conflict. The Pentagon assures us that the US is capable of dealing with 2 MRCs at the same time.

I expect Biden to say that McCain will bankrupt the US and cause our destruction if he gets elected.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

"I expect Biden to say that

"I expect Biden to say that McCain will bankrupt the US and cause our destruction if he gets elected." c5, I think that might be an even mild accusation from raBiden, the attack dog, who I think was picked for his nastiness, allowing Obama to appear to be floating above the fray. I really think McCain should consider picking a woman as veep candidate to help neutralize this hatchet man at the VP debate.

McNotObama '08

a celebrated plagiarizer

Yes, a celebrated plagiarizer – re. Biden’s 1988 presidential run – always provides lots of opportunities for fact checkers.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Re: Biden and the "facts"

My advisors told me to pick old Joe Biden

They said he would help my lead to widen.

The past few days by my side he's ridin'

Oh dear Lord , I wish he stayed in hidin.

They said he was smart, honest and wise

Now I find he gets caught in lies

He could expose us and be our demise

So now I practice saying this for size:

With your burger, do you want fries???

Great Mr. Bill!

love it - and it's good to see you here.

LOL misterb...that was

LOL misterb...that was good...I might want to add French fries when speaking of Biden/Obama and the left...

Good to see you here, been along time since I've seen you around here ...let alone the enjoyment you bring with your prose....and your wisdom with your posts go without saying as far as I am concerned. 

I miss you!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Thanks, friends--

As I posted before, I have focused my efforts on following the illegal immigration situation and the ultimate impact it will have on us if it is not stopped.  However, it gets heavy and makes one get  depressed occasionally--so--back to some good comments and good wit at old NB. I do look in very day, I am still impressed with the tabs that Noel keeps on the AGW issue , among other things--and--- I am a BIG fan of Roger's Shrub Report. Sometimes it threatens the capacity of my Depenz.

We once had a Prez named Harry

To be sure he was no sweet Barry

He was long in the tooth

But always spoke truth

Thus the two never could marry.

 

The truth is seen by so few

Ole Barry adds nothing that's new

The naive love his style

While he's dropping a pile

 

And that is quite scary

They should be very wary

Of words from the floor of a dairy

That would grow crops on a prairie

 

 His words are so smooth

His adorers they soothe

The truth of his wit

I described above as sh**

 

I'll give him this at the least

His followers will learn east

So they can kneel in disgrace

As Allah they face

 

They'll cower and drool

Under his Sharia rule

And through their minds there will  pass

As they look up the front rows a**

 

I thought he was God

But Oh lawdy, lawd

We fell for his charms

And then we gave up our arms

 

Now our once powerful states

Sit here in dire straits

We all lost our nerve

And now Allah we serve

 

I guess we get what we deserve!!!!

 

misterb.... I pray it

misterb....

I pray it never comes to that.

If the left has their way it will.

The enemy are just patiently waiting for that very thing too.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

OK, OK, here's my plan---

OK, OK, here's my plan---we can never beat that big bastard America, so here's what we do--while Putin and those other guys are running amok over their own people, we will send millions of our people to the USA. Those a**h***s there are so stupid , they grant citizenship to babies born there (not really the law, but friendly Democratic judges said it is).

Over time, these children will get free educations and be trained to become politicians. They, in turn, will pass laws to allow even more of our people to go to America and take all the jobs and money.

 What??? You laugh??? Don't you remember the Bund during WW2??? Hitler had people infiltrate America. The Americans called them the 5th column. Sh**, they told the Uboats when the ships were leaving port and they sank half of them. They got jobs in key positions to wreak harm on the war effort.

Americans have a huge number of brain damaged children. They are known as Democrats. They are ashamed of America and its wealth. They want to bring it down, just like the Bolsheviks in the good old USSR.

Comment Makes No Sense

"...Biden's soundbite in which he says John McCain votes with George W. Bush 95 percent of the time."

Wait, this makes no sense.  How can he vote with Bush 95% of the time if Bush doesn't vote?  Bush is not a member of Congress.  Does he mean that Bush signs 95% of the bills that McCain votes for?  If so, then everyone "votes with" Bush 95% of the time, since Bush almost never vetos anything.