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By Clay Waters | May 01, 2012 | 15:13

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The New York Times's confessed climate activist (and journalist) Justin Gillis made Tuesday's front page with a 2,500-word story on what he called the last line of defense for climate change skeptics: "Clouds' Effect on Climate Change Is Last Bastion for Dissenters."

Gillis, a true believer, proudly told the Columbia Journalism Review in April that it was a "scandal" the media was failing to connect the dots between "weird weather" events and permanent climate change, and compared climate-change skeptics to people who don't believe in evolution.

On Tuesday, Gillis tackled clouds:

For decades, a small group of scientific dissenters has been trying to shoot holes in the prevailing science of climate change, offering one reason after another why the outlook simply must be wrong.

Over time, nearly every one of their arguments has been knocked down by accumulating evidence, and polls say 97 percent of working climate scientists now see global warming as a serious risk.

Yet in recent years, the climate change skeptics have seized on one last argument that cannot be so readily dismissed. Their theory is that clouds will save us.

They acknowledge that the human release of greenhouse gases will cause the planet to warm. But they assert that clouds -- which can either warm or cool the earth, depending on the type and location -- will shift in such a way as to counter much of the expected temperature rise and preserve the equable climate on which civilization depends.

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Richard S. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is the leading proponent of the view that clouds will save the day. His stature in the field -- he has been making seminal contributions to climate science since the 1960s -- has amplified his influence.

Gillis noted Lindzen's "idea has drawn withering criticism from other scientists, who cite errors in his papers and say proof is lacking."

However, politicians looking for reasons not to tackle climate change have embraced Dr. Lindzen and other skeptics, elevating their role in the public debate.

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Gillis nodded along to scare-mongering scientists.

While the scientific majority acknowledges that the lingering uncertainty about clouds plays into the hands of skeptics like Dr. Lindzen, they say that he has gone beyond any reasonable reading of the evidence to provide a dangerous alibi for inaction.

Dr. Lindzen is “feeding upon an audience that wants to hear a certain message, and wants to hear it put forth by people with enough scientific reputation that it can be sustained for a while, even if it’s wrong science,” said Christopher S. Bretherton, an atmospheric researcher at the University of Washington. “I don’t think it’s intellectually honest at all.”

With climate policy nearly paralyzed in the United States, many other governments have also declined to take action, and worldwide emissions of greenhouse gases are soaring.

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Among the many climate skeptics who plaster the Internet with their writings, hardly any have serious credentials in the physics of the atmosphere. But a handful of contrarian scientists do. The most influential is Dr. Lindzen.

Gillis laid out Lindzen's theory that what surface temperature rises, the number of cirrus clouds will decrease, counteracting the increase of greenhouse gases.

Today, most mainstream researchers consider Dr. Lindzen’s theory discredited. He does not agree, but he has had difficulty establishing his case in the scientific literature. Dr. Lindzen published a paper in 2009 offering more support for his case that the earth’s sensitivity to greenhouse gases is low, but once again scientists identified errors, including a failure to account for known inaccuracies in satellite measurements.

Gillis advocated panic as the logical choice:

Dr. Lindzen blames groupthink among climate scientists for his publication difficulties, saying the majority is determined to suppress any dissenting views. They, in turn, contend that he routinely misrepresents the work of other researchers.

“If I’m right, we’ll have saved money” by avoiding measures to limit emissions, Dr. Lindzen said in the interview. “If I’m wrong, we’ll know it in 50 years and can do something.”

But mainstream scientists counter that society’s impulse to wait only heightens the risks.

Ultimately, as the climate continues warming and more data accumulate, it will become obvious how clouds are reacting. But that could take decades, scientists say, and if the answer turns out to be that catastrophe looms, it would most likely be too late. By then, they say, the atmosphere would contain so much carbon dioxide as to make a substantial warming inevitable, and the gas would not return to a normal level for thousands of years.
 

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Dobie Gillis

Submitted by mmilesll on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 3:21pm.

This clown sounds about as Dobie Gillis was. Any LSM "journalist" or "climate warming/cooling believer" has a big problem right from the start. Their minds are so closed that they can't see both sides. It is scary that this "doctor" just won't open his mind. The weather crowd can be stopped real fast, cut off the government money. Then all at once things will be OK. It's all about the money folks.

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The only argument the AGW

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 3:48pm.

The only argument the AGW apostles have left is to demonize the opposition. After all, it's worked pretty damn well when it comes to trying to talk rationally about racial politics and homosexual rights. So don't be surprised by the ferocity of attacks as mother nature fails to cooperate with lame theory.

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Mr. Gillis has already proven

Submitted by John21 on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 4:00pm.

Mr. Gillis has already proven his lack of scientfic knowledge and understanding. He lack basic credibility within the community and his considered a flake at best and a charletan out worse. Even the crazies at the AGW group and conference stay well clear of him and will never admit that he is a member of their community.
Since we are talking about the New York Times that support and employ the flake population of New York without credibility (Gillis and Krugmann)it is understandable that they proclaim them heros of the far left wing of dingbats. The professional community will never embrace them so the moron community will have to for political reasons

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And Justin's credentials are....WHAT?

Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 4:12pm.

Does the moron even have a degree in any scientific discipline? I can't find a bio for him online.

Lying and bamboozling the public with his own agenda for so long does not make him an expert on anything but being a liar and con man.

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The whole tone of the

Submitted by redfish on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 4:19pm.

The whole tone of the editorial is political and really misses the point. Most people who we call "skeptics" never denied that humans are affecting the climate, they were just arguing against the "alarmists" who said the Earth would suffer a cataclysmic meltdown in 10 years. The argument was about the degree of change that was affected by humans. Already, models created by alarmists have been forced to be modified because of arguments by skeptics. The IPPC model first excluded the effects of solar activity, now because of the arguments by skeptics, it now includes it. Lindzen's research will also likely add another variable to add to the models.

The overall end point is not to disprove global warming, but to show its much less of an immediate a worry that alarmists make it out to be. We have time to sort things out. We won't all die because the Kyoto Treaty isn't approved this year.

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Leftist Talking Point du Jour

Submitted by HardRightTurn on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 4:35pm.

Heard this one by a Fox Fair & 'Un'Balanced Leftist already. Now that they can't discredit the source, the Leftists are attempting to discredit those who accept the real science debunking the faux climatology of the Left. Since when does a person need credentials to accept the truth?

To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html

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Because as we all know,

Submitted by mustango on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 4:36pm.

Because as we all know, science is not determined by hypothesizing, testing and evaluation, but by whoever has the bigger credentials.

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determining science

Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 9:37pm.

Of course, science is determined by whomever gets the government grants.

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AGW is Gillis's religion, and

Submitted by tcm14 on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 5:26pm.

AGW is Gillis's religion, and he is an extreme fundamentalist. Much like with any cult, Gillis cannot be satisfied with a large congregation. NO ONE must be allowed to dissent. Non-believers must come into the flock, or else be persecuted for the heathens they are.

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"If you tell a lie. . .

Submitted by rickbren on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 8:23pm.

. . big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." J. Goebbels.

The mantra of the eco-terrorists is the same: "consensus of scientists", "97% of climatologists" , “settled science” , "flat earthers", etc, etc. As more scientists speak out against the global warming hoax the "hoaxers" will make the lie bigger and louder. . .

Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment.
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Here's one for you stupid fool.

Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 05/01/2012 - 9:18pm.

If it's permanent (which is impossible to know especially for such a moron) then there's nothing that could be done if there were some climate changes caused by mean. You see permanent means PERMANENT. Unfreaking believable!

And by they way, there is little doubt that there is no such thing as man caused climate change.

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Other than a degree in

Submitted by texastommy on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 7:46am.

Other than a degree in journalisim, what degrees in science does Gillis have, if any? If he has one or more, what dosciplines are they in?

Just askin'.

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Are you seriously

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 8:49am.

Askin a lib to justify his remarks with substance? Ha, good luck

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What "accumulated evidence" is that?

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:30pm.

"For decades, a small group of scientific dissenters has been trying to shoot holes in the prevailing science of climate change, offering one reason after another why the outlook simply must be wrong."

And this is, what, surprising, in the scientific world? That's how it works, and it works very well, for if it didn't E=MC2 would still be the pipe dream of a long dead Patent Clerk, for just one example. How dare this Jewish dissident challenge scientific community's agreement of the theory that gravity is a force, like magnetism! Gravity is the curvature of space-time? Balderdash!

"Today, most mainstream researchers consider Dr. Lindzen’s theory discredited."

Just like they did for Newton, eh? The Earth's not the center of the Universe? Balderdash!

"Over time, nearly every one of their arguments has been knocked down by accumulating evidence, and polls say 97 percent of working climate scientists now see global warming as a serious risk."

What "accumulating evidence" is that? You don't bother to give us any. And you have a problem with people who give contrary evidence? What a hypocrite!

By the way, science isn't run on polls, it's run on demonstrable, repeatable experimentation which tends to support the theory. Where's this experimentation that's supposed to "prove" the "science" of climate change? All we've been offered to date are observations and speculation. Not a single experiment has been conducted that indicates that increasing CO2 concentrations of less than one percent of total volume (and what humans are producing with OUR emissions are a hell of a lot less than that, it's on the order of one thousand of one percent per decade) actually increased temperatures to such an extent that it will shift the balance of a climate system. All we've been provided so far is SPECULATION! So, once again, where's this supposed evidence? There isn't any.

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The salient point to the

Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 6:00pm.

The salient point to the "consensus"

97 percent of working climate scientists

Note my emphasis on the word "working". It's not surprising that, almost universally, the people who need global warming for a career and paycheck support the consensus. Retired climate scientists, who are no longer sucking the government grant tit, aren't counted because we know that they would knock that 97% number down quite a bit. Plus any climate scientist not supporting the global warming "consensus" won't get grant money, and therefore, won't be working either. Nice little tautology they have going for themselves.

My question is where do the 3% dissenters come from? In the land of climatology heterogeneity, I don't know how even 1% of climate scientists can still be working without swearing to the consensus.

Maybe they're the ones who are being funded by all those "mega oil bucks" the climate nazis like to talk about.

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