Occupy Troublemakers Merely Fringe, But Tea Party 'Responsible for the Behavior of People' at Rallies
The New York Times continues to treat toublemakers at Occupy Wall Street as a fringe minority, but the Tea Party was "responsible for the behavior of people" at their rallies.
Sunday’s Metro section led with an above-the-fold look at the state of Occupy Wall Street as winter approaches from reporters Cara Buckley and Colin Moynihan, “A Protest Reaches a Crossroads.” They briefly noted the violence and criminal behavior at Zuccotti Park while providing plenty of room for excuse-making on the part of OWS, something reporter Kate Zernike most assuredly did not do for the Tea Party in her 2010 book on the movement, “Boiling Mad." Instead, Zernike suggested the entire movement should hold itself responsible for unsubstantiated allegations of racial slurs at a rally.
The signs seemed to point toward the end of Occupy Wall Street. The day after the city stripped the protesters encamped in Lower Manhattan of their generators and fuel, the Northeast was hit with a bone-chilling snowstorm that blanketed their tents and tarps with sleet and ice, and left at least one protester hospitalized for hypothermia. Yet the encampment at Zuccotti Park endured.
Seven weeks in, the protest has become a fact of life in New York City, a tourist draw to rival ground zero, and a teachable moment for parents. Its slogan, “We are the 99 percent” is a staple of the popular discourse.
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More broadly, the protest’s leaderless and nonhierarchical structure raises the question of how effective it can be. The demonstrators have yet to proffer clear demands and have rejected any involvement in electoral politics. And it remains to be seen what will become of the action should they lose their foothold at Zuccotti Park.
The Times finally provided a little bit of the news the New York Post has been breaking every day, like the fact that “some people seem to be there mainly for the donated clothes and free food,” as well as arrests for sexual assault and violence. Still, the Times excused the bad behavior as "a small minority."
Many protesters say the lawless visitors constitute a tiny fringe and are not representative of the movement, which, they say, has espoused nonviolence and mutual aid. Some have suggested moving the kitchen area and the comfort station out of the park to discourage freeloaders from congregating there.
But there are concerns that even if the criminal and antisocial elements are a small minority, they are becoming visible enough to tarnish the image of the entire group.
Zernike wasn’t nearly as understanding with another leaderless movement, the Tea Party, writing in “Boiling Mad” that the movement bore the blame for any bad behavior (if there was any) by rallygoers, in this case the unsubstantiated claim that Obama-care protesters shouted racial slurs at black congressman John Lewis.
It was difficult, if not disingenuous, for the Tea Party groups to try to disown the behavior. They had organized the rally, and under their model of self-policing, they were responsible for the behavior of people who were there. And after saying for months that anybody could be a Tea Party leader, they could not suddenly dismiss as faux Tea Partiers those protesters who made them look bad.
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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 5:52pm.
This past weekend, I know it was Juan Williams, and I think it was FOX News Watch, where Juan excused sexual assault at OWS because the participants are younger than Tea Party attendees.
I was surprised NB didn't cover Juan Williams approves of assault on underage kids as long as it's at an OWS rally.
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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 5:56pm.
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Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 9:14pm.
Juan Williams again excused rapes at the OWS as just a bunch of college kids.
This is fringe??
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:02pm.
You know, if I had been one of the attendees at this event, I would have come out swinging against these reprobate bastards.
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Again
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:33pm.
This is exactly why I won't go into NYC this Christmas season. You don't know where these thugs will show up. Radio City will be receiving a letter from me explaining this. I want them to know they are losing business because of this.
Rad, I work right across the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:25am.
Rad, I work right across the street from Radio City. So far I have not seen (or smelled) any of the OWS up here since it has started. They did make a trek up to Times Square but it was on a weekend.
You should be able to come into NYC and enjoy your trip, just take care if you go down by Ground Zero. That is where the vermin congregate most of the time.
They are nearly *all* fringe
Submitted by kata on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:13pm.
The rest of them are just useful idiots.
The rap sheet so far.
This doesn't even address the damage that Anonymous has done to the police agencies. A cop in Oakland was screamed down by a protestor calling herself "press" who had access to Anon's stolen information and threatened him with information on his daughter.
OWS "Mother" put children in a wagon to block the doors at a conservative convention in DC.
This is not a protest, it's squatting with no demands and no discernable end game.
Information on his daughter
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:22pm.
That police officer has nerves of steel. Honest to God, I'm not violent but that loud mouthed woman deserved a belt in the jaw. Where is she when obama is having his expensive fund raisers with the 99%?
These people truly make me ill.
Or when you get something like this
Submitted by kata on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 9:16pm.
The media bemoaning the besmirchment (made that word up) of the OWS "cause" when a young disabled man gets raped at #OccupyCleveland. (h/t Verum Serum). When the media is willing to gloss this over, they've pretty much hit bottom.
A tourist draw?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:13pm.
They have to be kidding. I'm missing our bi-annual NYC Christmas show trip because of these idiots. I drove by Occupy Philly yesterday and thought it was a disgrace. They spent millions renovating the area around the Liberty Bell and now we have a bunch of tents allowed across the streets?
Deep in the Heart
Submitted by BuffNBone on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 6:44pm.
Any guesses about how long OWS activity would last in or near the Alamo?
From what I remember the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 7:22pm.
From what I remember the Alamo was in pretty poor shape anyways. I doubt if anyone could tell the difference between the people who hang around it and the OWS crowd.
"Fringe", eh?
Submitted by Darks Shadow Show on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 7:54pm.
If they're such a fringe, why are there so many videos of so many Occupiers committing various crimes? Why are so many arrested? Why are events such as taking over the Israeli consulate on their official websites? Fringe indeed.
Racial Epithets
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 7:55pm.
should be "alleged"....because it was never proven, and IIRC, Andrew Breitbart put out a $100,000 bounty on the proof, which is still happily sitting in his bank account.
The Tea Partiers, however, are also proud of their behavior, legally buying event permits, and leaving the grounds cleaner when then arrived.
No difference at all from the OWies, eh?
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OWS vs Tea Party
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:31am.
The Tea Partiers police themselves. If someone engaged in racial slurs or criminal behavior at a Tea Party rally, they would be "dealt with" immediately by Tea Partiers. Compare that with the rape, drug use, vandalism, theft, violence, filth, and anti-semitic rants one encounters at an OWS protest.
NYT take on the Occupiers vs. the Tea Partiers
Submitted by donaldduck on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:33am.
The NYT can go take a flying f%*k on a rolling donut. Those communist bastards are eventually going to go bankrupt, and the sooner the better.
Not only the whole Tea Party movement
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 7:11am.
but the entire Republican party.
I don't see any liberal hosts, like Schultz-for-brains or Lawrence O'donnell demanding that Nancy Pelosi et al "denounce" or "distance themselves" from the actions of these rioters, as they do to Republicans every time someone spits on a sidewalk at a Tea Party or other conservative event.
Permit denied
Submitted by Model850 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:46pm.
There won't be any LEGAL camping out for the Virginia Beach arm of the Occupy crowd.
Will have to wait and see what happens if the decision is made to engage in "civil disobedience" and set up camps anyway.
Virginia Beach officials on Monday rejected an application by the group to establish encampments at Town Center, Mount Trashmore or the Oceanfront.
The city did set a bad precedent, in my opinion, by granting a week-long permit for amplified sound but waiving the fee and application deadline. No one ever again should be charged a fee by the city for a similar permit, or be held to a deadline for applying for it.
99%
Submitted by Blorg on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:18pm.
If they claim to be the 99% that excludes the 1% with the greatest wealth; then that 99% includes the "fringe". If they claim it, then take responsibility for it.