Birthers vs. Truthers: The New York Times's Double Standard on Conspiracy Theories
Real estate mogul Donald Trump, acting like a presidential candidate, is garnering attention by latching on to the “birther” issue -- the discredited notion that President Obama was not born in Hawaii but in another country, thus making him ineligible for the presidency. The New York Times ran a poll April 22 that asked: “Do you think Barack Obama was born in the United States, or was he born in another country?” The Times then broke down the results out for Republicans (but not for independents or Democrats): 45% of Republicans answered Obama was born elsewhere, 33% said he was born in the United States.
Meanwhile, the Times has yet to bring up a 2006 poll showing more than half of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks.
Times liberal columnist Charles Blow pounced on Saturday: “It further exacerbates a corrosive culture on the right that now celebrates the Cult of Idiocy -- from Glenn Beck to Michele Bachmann -- where riling liberals is more valuable than reason and logic, and where intellectualism and even basic learnedness are viewed with suspicion and contempt.”
A recent nytimes.com Room for Debate online roundtable, “The Psychology of the 'Birther' Myth,” hosted seven experts about the psychology of the myth. The introduction:
Hawaii state officials have repeatedly confirmed President Obama's birth in Honolulu, and his Hawaiian birth certificate has long been made public. Yet doubts about where Mr. Obama was born persist among a segment of Americans, despite all factual evidence.
A New York Times/CBS News Poll released on Thursday found that 45 percent of Republicans think that Mr. Obama was born in another country, while 33 percent said he was born in America.
Several states are now considering bills to require presidential candidates to provide certified proof that they were born in the United States before they can appear on the ballot. Arizona's governor vetoed the bill there, but Oklahoma lawmakers and those in Georgia are moving forward with similar legislation.
What drives this kind of false political belief and why is it so hard to dispel?
The Times even allowed the story to seep into its student section:
Students: Tell us what you think about the “birther” movement. Why do you think so many people believe that President Obama was not born in the United States despite factual evidence that he was? With which of the seven experts polled in the Room for Debate post do you most agree? For instance, do you think the root of this belief is “racial resentment”? The popularity of conspiracy theories in general and the way they are spread by modern media? Or is it because of the “increasingly disconnected ideological echo chambers” that have polarized us as a society?Story Continues Below Ad ↓
Yet compare the Times’s current contempt for birthers to reporter Alan Feuer’s notoriously positive June 5, 2006 profile of a far more pernicious anti-Republican conspiracy theory believed by many Democrats: That the Bush administration either knew or was actually instigated the 9-11 attacks that killed over 3,000 Americans. The text box said of the conference: “Some participants see an American tradition of questioning concentrated power.”
Feuer painted the lefties in non-threatening, almost affectionate terms:
“...a group that, in its rank and file, includes professors, chain-saw operators, mothers, engineers, activists, used-book sellers, pizza deliverymen, college students, a former fringe candidate for United States Senate and a long-haired fellow named hummux (pronounced who-mook) who, on and off, lived in a cave for 15 years.”
The Times also has yet to bring up the results of a 2006 poll from Ohio University and Scripps Howard news service showing more than half of Democrats believed Bush was complicit in the 9-11 attacks. As reported by Ben Smith at Politico:
...the University of Ohio yesterday shared with us the crosstabs of a 2006 poll they did with Scripps Howard that's useful in that regard.
"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.
A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely."
A nytimes.com search suggests the paper has only referenced the Ohio University findings once in a news story, an August 22, 2008 story by Eric Lipton discussing “conspiracy theorists” but not singling out Democrats and Bush-haters as the chief advocates.
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Well, it's settled then,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 12:50pm.
Bush brought down the WTC, Obama was born in Hawaii, with an American flag in his hand. Why didn't the Times say so from the beginning? Thank heaven for scholars like Rosie O'Donnell and Joy Behar.
Whatever you think about
Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 1:03pm.
Whatever you think about Birthers, there's more "evidence" on their side than the Truthers.
“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Have you listened to Jones?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 1:13pm.
He's got ten times the evidence for his paranoid fantasy than even the looniest and most dedicated birthers can come up with to support theirs. It's just when he tries to stitch it together to reach a coherent and credible conclusion that it collapses into total absurdity.
Jer
I can't listen to any of
Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 1:45pm.
I can't listen to any of these guys, Jer. If there isn't any hard, cold facts to support their thesis, then I can't be bothered.
“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Birther to Truther =
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 2:01pm.
Apples to Oranges.
Birthers - Truthers - WMDers - blew the surplusesers -
Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 2:18pm.
.. and in the case of the shrill Bush lied on WMDs, and Bush inherited $5 Trillion in surpluses from Clinton and a era of peace and prosperity - it was the national MSM who led in promoting and fueling the theories, the myths, the lies, and the hate.
(;~/ gary
Ttuther: someone who believes
Submitted by tobiasdog on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 3:56pm.
Ttuther: someone who believes a sitting President conspired to kill 3000 Americans.
Birther: someone who believes a sitting President should finish his resume before running again.
Yep, both equally insane!
Is a sarcasm tag needed here?
"Birther" label conflates the issue with "911 Truth"
Submitted by tombaker on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 6:08pm.
The entire purpose of the word Birther, is to label anyone who has any questions regarding the birth certificate as believers in some sort of grand conspiracy. They then spew out an entire contrived theory of what "Birther's believe" as to discredit anyone who would even question.
NEXT, the poll questions and the means of report them. Even though 16% of Democrats have questions, its only reported as "Republicans believe X" Also notice that a qualifying question is never asked....such as "Do you have enough information to know whether the US State that President Obama was Hawaii or not?" Some of the poll results by the means of the questions asked, will give false positives for people that simply don't know of the 50 states which Obama is reported to have been born in.
But the KEY point. Is that anyone who understands that there exists an Original 1961 document, which is the birth certificate of President Obama, and that this document is not released, and its release is opposed to by Obama's lawyers.
Release the 1961 Birth document generated by the Hospital in Hawaii. Its just that simple, it not a conspiracy at all. It's not complicated. The governor of Hawaii before his election said he would release the document, and it was never done.
Note: A journal entry in a ledger is not a birth certificate, a hospital does not create a ledger, and the person in charge of records indicates that the only document is a bound book, which implies the original 1961 Hospital Generated document is not what she is indicating she saw.
I don't need to have these questions. A simple question to the White House solves this.
"Will the President (or Mr. President will you) authorize Hawaii to release your original 1961 birth certificate?
It is either Yes or No
.....and its never been asked.
The problem, tombaker...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 7:19pm.
is that it wouldn't be the end of it--at least if the number of comments I have read refusing to accept the legitimacy of ANYTHING released by the fraud in the White House is any indication.
Nor would it satisfy those who want him evicted from office because he's not a 'natural born citizen' regardless of his birthplace.
Jer
Its about the bias Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 7:35pm.
The media doesn't care about the truth. The coordinate with the white house to continue the lies or hide the truth. Its corruption that allows those to hide, spin, and outright lie. Then the media cooperates by aiding in the coverup of the corruption.
What do you think would be the media cry if this was GWB protecting a special interest group?
In that case, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 3:33am.
Please consider the fact that Obama has submitted to interviews by Chris Wallace, Bill O'Reilly, Bret "Magnus Interruptus" Baier, all of Fox News, as well as by those masters-of-insult clowns at WFAA-TV in Texas, none of whom, one would think, should be accused of being water carriers for the administration.
So why didn't at least ONE of them press the birth certificate issue with Obama? Are they part of the grand media coverup conspiracy, too?
Jer
"Magnus Interruptus---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 9:07pm.
Cute, Jer.
Also telling.
You're a lib, aintcha?
MD
Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:04am.
Did you catch the interview? Even Bret apologized afterwards for his repeated interruptions. [In his defense, however, the time originally allotted had been reduced.]
Jer
Yep, I caught the interview, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:22pm.
and it confirmed what I have long figured:
Obama is a lying weasel.
Any other questions? :o)
MD
Tombaker, you are absolutely correct. The reason Obama...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 3:06am.
won't produce his birth certificate is probably because it must reveal something he doesn't want the American people to know. Why else would he spend a fortune to keep it hidden from the American people? Obama is a fraud. I knew he was no good the first time I read about him. In fact he was so bad, in my opinion, that I was forced to vote for someone I couln't stand and still can't stand to this day...John McCain! Please believe me, that is bad.
... but in other news, 87% of
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Tue, 04/26/2011 - 9:35pm.
... but in other news, 87% of enlightened and progressive socialists believe Todd and Bristol are the parents of Trig Palin.
'Cause we all know how intellectually stimulating that Birther issue is.
In other other news, 98.9% of New York Times readers have pre-ordered a blu-ray copy of the recent Royal Wedding.
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Doesn't anyone want to know why Obama is not producing...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Wed, 04/27/2011 - 2:56am.
his 'official' birth certificate? I'd sure like to know why he's spent over a million dollars to hide it from the public. Also, what about his school records? Wouldn't it be sweet if George Bush not only had better grades than Kerry (which he had) but better grades than Obama, as well.