Dovish New York Times Columnist Kristof: We're Being Greeted as Liberators in Libya
Liberal columnists who were reliably opposed to Republican presidents warring against Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein (see Bush I and II) often do an about-face and strike up a martial tune when it's a Democratic president dropping bombs. Ask former New York Times columnist and good liberal Anthony Lewis, who pushed the Clinton administration to intervene in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
The reliably dovish Times columnist Nicholas Kristof wrote from Cairo on Thursday to take the pro-war side in Libya - “Hugs From Libyans” - announcing that (to coin a phrase) we’re being welcomed as liberators in Benghazi.
This may be a first for the Arab world: An American airman who bailed out over Libya was rescued from his hiding place in a sheep pen by villagers who hugged him, served him juice and thanked him effusively for bombing their country.
Even though some villagers were hit by American shrapnel, one gamely told an Associated Press reporter that he bore no grudges. Then, on Wednesday in Benghazi, the major city in eastern Libya whose streets would almost certainly be running with blood now if it weren’t for the American-led military intervention, residents held a “thank you rally.” They wanted to express gratitude to coalition forces for helping save their lives.
Doubts are reverberating across America about the military intervention in Libya. Those questions are legitimate, and the uncertainties are huge. But let’s not forget that a humanitarian catastrophe has been averted for now and that this intervention looks much less like the 2003 invasion of Iraq than the successful 1991 gulf war to rescue Kuwait from Iraqi military occupation.
Kristof eventually addressed the obvious question - his fierce opposition (see third item) to the 2003 invasion of Iraq - while dismissing the concerns over constitutional propriety so vital to liberals during the Bush years.
I opposed the 2003 Iraq invasion because my reporting convinced me that most Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein but didn’t want American forces intruding on their soil. This time my reporting persuades me that most Libyans welcome outside intervention.
(Kristof merits a significant footnote in the debate over Iraq – it was a May 6, 2003 Kristof column, which used serial anti-war misleader Joseph Wilson as a then-anonymous source, that eventually led to Plame-gate, the so-called scandal that served as convenient tool for the media against the Bush administration and the war effort before it fizzled out into nothingness.)
Kristof also wrote Thursday:
Some Congressional critics complain that President Obama should have consulted Congress more thoroughly. Fair enough. But remember that the intervention was almost too late because forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi were already in Benghazi. Indeed, there was a firefight on Sunday right outside the hotel in Benghazi where foreign journalists are staying. A couple of days of dutiful consultation would have resulted in a bloodbath and, perhaps, the collapse of the rebel government.
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What we need is some dead,
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 4:52pm.
What we need is some dead, raped journalists. Obama is a war pig.
wow
Submitted by Harbinger041 on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:03pm.
who the hell says this?
Common Sense for Our Times...
http://currenteventsandcommonsense.wordpress.com/
Circular reasoning.
Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 4:57pm.
His own reporting convinced him Well imagine that!
Yeah, that's even more self-serving than attributing it to
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 5:02pm.
"reporter's intuition."
"Thanks for bombing us"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 4:59pm.
Well, in the interest of Obama's continuing outreach to the muslim world, it's only fair that we should reciprocate:
"Thanks for bombing us, Al Qaeda."
This is beyond sick
Submitted by Diesel on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 5:38pm.
I don't believe the liberal media
Ecstatic greetings.. a 1st in Libya. I think not.
Submitted by Gary Hall on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 6:26pm.
Really?
I think not.
Did Kristoff miss this: Here - here.
And how did Kristof's specific example turn out?
U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed Air Force jet.
(;~/ gary
shrapnel
Submitted by Blorg on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 7:41pm.
Well, Kristof did say: "some villagers were hit by American shrapnel".
Now if you change "shrapnel" to "strafing", he got it right.
Blorg.. who knows what Kristof was..
Submitted by Gary Hall on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:13pm.
..referring to? I did see that, but surmised that he was perhaps he meant when it crashed?
Also, the next night we went back and bombed what remained of the jet - standard OP. One has to wonder if anyone was still hanging around it then?
One thing we do know from experience, is that this same press would be calling attention to the copter shooting up all of the civilians, if Bush were still president - an example of why he should not have gone into Libya.
(;~> gary
Most of us know what the BS
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:23pm.
Rules of Engagement are for our Troops. They had to be fired upon, and Prove it, or face CM.
Seems clear to me
Submitted by Injest on Fri, 03/25/2011 - 5:54am.
Seems clear to me.
"This may be a first for the Arab world: An American airman who bailed out over Libya was rescued from his hiding place in a sheep pen by villagers who hugged him, served him juice and thanked him effusively for bombing their country"
He was the first American airman who bailed out over Libya.
I mean really, how many downed pilots hide out in a sheep pen, in Libya, on 3/22/11?
QUAGMIRE! QUAGMIRE! Obama's
Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 7:05pm.
QUAGMIRE! QUAGMIRE! Obama's Vietnam!
please...someone
Submitted by Rackie on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 7:35pm.
There has to be a joke in here somewhere. "A sheep herder, his daughter and an American pilot".
Just checking, but....
Submitted by Dufresne on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:19pm.
is this an "immoral and illegal war"?
The only way we might be considered 'liberators' in Libya...
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:34pm.
...is if we take out Col. Daffy - I'm talking DRT.
The first cruise missile fired should have been programmed to go straight to his front door, but the idiots in charge of this operation are going around telling everybody that he is not a target.
That's stoopid.
What is more, even if we do manage to take Col. Daffy out, whoever winds up replacing him will probably be a true-believing, for-real Islamist. I suspect we will ultimately see the same sort running things in Egypt as well.
That will not be a good thing for the people residing in Israel.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
So, WWII never happened?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 8:47pm.
"This may be a first for the Arab world:..."
Oh, please, this happened in Libya quite often during WWII, as well as Sudan, Iraq, ect.. I guess the author forgot about that.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
The new term for 'war'
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 9:06pm.
All Democratic-ordered wars are now "humanitarian relief" to save lives.
Where's the catastrophe?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:31pm.
You know it's funny that the Liberals are portraying this as a means of "preventing" a "humanitarian crisis," "preventing" "mass slaughter" but there hasn't been ANY mass slaughter at all. Gadhafi wasn't even shelling civilian positions until WE intervened (and, ironically, gave those civilians the time necessary to locate and store military weapons in their own civilian homes, schools, hospitals, ect)! True to form, the democrats are creating yet another self-fulfilling prophecy. They are actually creating the very crisis they claimed they are trying to prevent. They seem to do that a LOT!
In the mean time, millions of Africans are still facing even worse "humanitarian" crisis and the democrats won;t do ANYTHING about it. As always, they apply a "hands-off Africa" approach to "humanitarian" intervention.
I do have to give Bill Clinton credit for at least trying in Somalia. He was the ONLY Democrat who has. And, oh man, did he take heat from the democrats for that!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
20mm cannon
Submitted by Injest on Fri, 03/25/2011 - 5:42am.
As I recall he said he was strafed by jets.
Our jets fire a 20mm cannon.
If he had been hit by a 20mm cannon round I don't think he would have been able to give the interview cuz he’d be dead!
"shrapnel" is more believable than a 20mm cannon round.
since we do not know
Submitted by egutopia44 on Fri, 03/25/2011 - 1:58pm.
since we do not know who these rebels are if one of our planes go down months from now in eastern libya will the pilot still get hugs and kisses.