NY Times Calls 'The Stoning of Soraya M' Film 'Lurid Torture-Porn'

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Leave it to New York Times liberal movie critic Stephen Holden to come down on "The Stoning of Soraya M," for stereotyping a couple of murderous, misogynist Islamists as...murderous misogynist Islamists.

Holden generally likes politically activist movies, especially left-wing documentaries that take aim at politically correct targets like big business and heartland hicks. By contrast, he's not fond of Israel or the Catholic Church, or evidently, movies about injustices committed against women in the Muslim world, like "The Stoning of Soraya M." Conservatives have embraced the movie, which might also provide a clue as to why Holden hates it. In calling it "lurid torture-porn," Holden echoes columnist Frank Rich's smear against "The Passion of the Christ" as "a joyride for sadomasochists."

"The Stoning of Soraya M.," a true story of religiously sanctioned misogyny and mob violence in an Iranian village, thoroughly blurs the line between high-minded outrage and lurid torture-porn.

Not since "The Passion of the Christ" has a film depicted a public execution in such graphic detail. In the approximately 20 minutes during which the killing unfolds, the camera repeatedly returns to study the battered face and body of the title character (Mozhan Marno) as she is stoned to death. Buried up to her waist in a hole dug for the occasion, she is pelted with rocks and profanity by the male villagers, including her father, husband and two sons, until she dies.

The condemned woman is innocent of the charge of adultery brought against her by her sadistic husband, Ali (Navid Negahban), who wants to get rid of her so he can marry a 14-year-old girl. According to ancient Islamic law, a wife's adultery is punishable by death. Ali pressures the corrupt local bigwigs to prosecute her based on the rumors he ignited and false evidence they coerce from a widower for whom she has worked as a housekeeper.

Holden found the movie didactic -- fair criticism, but one he usually fails to apply to movies whose message he approves of.

Almost everything is either-or. Soraya is a beautiful martyred innocent and Zahra a stormy feminist prophet. With the exception of the mayor (David Diaan), who has qualms about the execution, and [Jim] Caviezel's reporter, who appears only briefly at the beginning and end of the movie, the men are fiendishly villainous.

Mr. Negahban's Ali, who resembles a younger, bearded Philip Roth, suggests an Islamic fundamentalist equivalent of a Nazi anti-Semitic caricature. With his malevolent smirk and eyes aflame with arrogance and hatred, he is as satanic as any horror-movie apparition. The fraudulent local mullah, who collaborates in his scheme after being rejected by Soraya, might as well be carrying a pitchfork and breathing fire.

At the end Holden acknowledged the movie's "crude power" and compared it (not in a complimentary way) to "The Passion of the Christ" (which featured "Soraya" actor Jim Caviezel as Jesus Christ), saying that in both movies, "the stimulation of blood lust in the guise of moral righteousness has its appeal."

Holden, who is perhaps the most liberal Times movie critic (though A.O. Scott and Manohla Dargis are certainly worthy competitors) has a strange compulsion to stand up for horrible acts by people of different ethnicities. His August 2005 review of the World War II movie "The Great Raid" actually chided the filmmakers for stereotyping of Japanese soldiers as being sadistic to U.S. troops, despite it being, well, true:

Its scenes of torture and murder also unapologetically revive the uncomfortable stereotype of the Japanese soldier as a sadistic, slant-eyed fiend.

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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The only battle liberals

The only battle liberals have their hearts in is the battle against the truth.

Note: The Great Raid didn't begin to show what the Japanese were like in that story. Read Ghost Soldiers.

Right, and the Bataan Death

Right, and the Bataan Death March was just an ecological hike for rare tropical plant specimens.

I'm thinking of producing a

I'm thinking of producing a film called The Bitch of Abu Ghraib with a porn star playing Specialist Lynndie England.  Yeah, it's going to be X-rated.

Think the NYT and the other Libtards would hate it?

I'd bet they would even foot the bill to have a DVD of it sent to every school in the country like Schindler's List...you know, for educational purposes.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Of course they would. To

Of course they would.

To sophisticated liberals, The Stoning of Soraya M  is torture-porn, but the sicko chain-saw-style movie "Antichrist" was hailed as "art" this year at Cannes.

Brent Bozell Column

 

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

"According to ANCIENT

"According to ANCIENT Islamic law, a wife's adultery is punishable by death."

Uh, no dumbass, that's current sharia law, and it happens every day in various stone age Muslim countries around the world.

See http://www.thereligi... for daily updates of the festivities. 

Maybe this wuss apologist should stick to reviewing Pixar offerings. 

"According to ANCIENT

"According to ANCIENT Islamic law, a wife's adultery is punishable by death." 

I don't blame you for believing this as it isn't quite the case.  In Islam, the punishment for men and women is the same, but the Qur'an mentions flogging, not stoning. 

I do blame you for seeking propagandized websites like the one you hyperlinked in your comment as a source of learning about Islam.  It would be like me going to anti-Semite to learn about Judaism instead of asking a rabbi.

What I pasted below is what the Qur'an says about adultery.  I put in bold verses that are relevant to the movie:

24:2 AS FOR the adulteress and the adulterer flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion with them keep you from [carrying out] this law of God, if you [truly] believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of the believers witness their chastisement.

24:3 [Both are equally guilty:] the adulterer couples with none other than an adulteress - that is, a woman who accords [to her own lust] a place side by side with God; and with the adulteress couples none other than an adulterer - that is, a man who accords [to his own lust] a place side by side with God: and this is forbidden unto the believers.

24:4 And as for those who accuse chaste women [of adultery], and then are unable to produce four witnesses [in support of their accusation], flog them with eighty stripes and ever after refuse to accept from them any testimony - since it is they, they that are truly depraved!

24:5 excepting [from this interdict] only those who afterwards repent and made amends: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

24:6 And as for those who accuse their own wives [of adultery], but have no witnesses except them­selves, let each of these [accusers] call God four times to witness that he is indeed telling the truth,

24:7 and the fifth time, that God’s curse be upon him if he is telling a lie.

24:8 But [as for the wife, all] chastisement shall be averted from her by her calling God four times to witness that he is indeed telling a lie,

24:9 and the fifth [time], that God’s curse be upon her if he is telling the truth,

 

Cool. Then can you

Cool.

Then can you explain the stonings or just the general mistreatment of women in general?

And before you deny

And before you deny mistreatment of women can you throw in an explantion of burkas and why they don't apply to men?  Because a lot of "moderate" muslims adhere to burkas.

The number of 'moderate'

The number of 'moderate' women who wear burkas is highly minimal; the burka-wearers I've met here in the US have either been forced to wear them or wear them of their own accord and have a very Wahhabist interpretation of the Qur'an. Most Muslim women who do cover don't wear burkas, but headscarves, such as myself.  I'm almost 25 and I've worn a headscarf (or hijab) for nearly eleven years.  I wasn't forced to wear it (my mother and sister don't wear them, for example). 

The Qur'an asks women to cover because in those days, and is the case today, women were regarded as sex objects.

The Qur'an on hijab:

33:59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters, as well as all [other] believing women, that they should draw over themselves some of their outer garments [when in public]: this will be more con­ducive to their being recognized [as decent women] and not annoyed.  But [withal,] God is indeed much- forgiving, a dispenser of grace!

How do men dress to be

How do men dress to be recognized as decent men?  And don't all women deserve to be treated as decent?

Let's be honest, have you

Let's be honest, have you ever seen a woman in a tight revealing dress and said, "Now there's a decent woman!"  Dress isn't everything of course, and a woman dressed as I aforementioned isn't necessarily indecent.  But as I said before, I wear a head scarf and wear clothes that cover my arms and legs.  There is a major difference not only in the way men treat me, but the way I act and view myself. 

How do men dress to be recognized as decent men?  The concensus is that men are required to cover the area between their waists and knees.  Muhammad also discouraged men from going shirtless; he personally wore longsleeved shirts and bottoms that covered most of his legs.

Well, the issue is is that

Well, the issue is is that there are hadith (sayings involving Muhammad) that say adulterers or adulteresses were punished using stoning, which would contradict the Qur'anic verses I posted above.  Since the Qur'an was 'revealed' over 23 years, it is very possible that the hadith pre-date these particular Qur'anic verses, which would render the hadith invalid, but I honestly don't know. 

I cannot really explain many of the laws against women in Muslim countries except to say that there seems to be a serious problem amongst Muslims (especially men) with taking what they like from Islam and leaving (or making up) the rest.

Camelopardalis

Thank you. I've read the rest of your replies. You are an open-minded person and you have my respect.

I recommend all Muslim women study Krav Maga (who cares where it comes from). I recommend it to my Christian friends at church, too. A woman who can take care of herself and her family isn't likely to be messed with. Of course, Krav probably isn't allowed in Muslim countries.

Krav Maga?  I looked it

Krav Maga?  I looked it up.  I've actually been thinking about learning a martial art.  I'll look into it.  I live in LA, so there should be classes around here.

Thanks.

Shotokan

If you want to win. I love woman, so much. The way some are treated I cannot understand?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

I'm in LA, too. I go to

I'm in LA, too.

I go to the one in Simi Valley. But there's one in Chatsworth, Sherman Oaks, in Los Angeles itself.

Camelopardalis ,Here Is a Review of the Movie...

http://corner.nation...

The Stoning of Soraya M. and Trust-Fund Babes    [Manda Zand Ervin]

I saw the movie The Stoning of Soraya M.,
at a private showing in Washington, D.C. and, although I have seen many
pictures of the stoning of the women and young girls by the Iranian
Islamic regime, I could not believed that the human race is capable of
such cruelty. Apparently our words and cries are not strong enough to
raise human-rights awareness, but this movie can help our cause. After all, one picture is worth a thousand words.

As the only Iranian woman is the room, I tried hard
to suppress my tears. I kept thinking, “This can not be the country I
grew up in! Where have these people come from? They can not be the
people I lived among!”  No wonder all the old Iranian philosophers have
looked at the mullahs as evil beings.

I asked the producers
why this movie isn’t shown nation-wide — world-wide — to all the people
on this planet who turn a blind eye to the barbarism of the Iranian
regime. This movie must be shown at the U.S. Congress, at the White
House, at the United Nations, and the European Parliament, I insisted.
On behalf of Iranian women, I would like to invite all the women
politicians to see the real crimes against humanity and the abhorrent
injustice against helpless women and young girls.

The Stoning of Soraya M.
must be shown at the annual conference of the U.N.’s Commission on the
Status of Women, to which I was a delegate. But, of course, this kind
of movie will never be shown because of the politics — UNIFEM is
receiving millions of dollars from the Islamic regime every year, paid
off to see no evil and hear no evil. The hypocrisy is revolting, the
immorality is beneath contempt.

When I got home, I communicated with a woman activist inside Iran about the movie. She said:

As barbaric as the act of stoning is, it is the
brutal assault against the human dignity of a female person that makes
me cry of pain and shame. It is the absolute helplessness that makes me
cry out in protest and get arrested again and again.

How can the powerful women on your side of the world be so indifferent
towards the women in this globalized world of theirs? How can they
think for one minute that their freedom and equality is worth anything
as long as there are women living under these conditions?

Monir K. is one of the many brave Iranian women who
have spent many years of her life battling against the sharia laws that
makes the stoning of women and young girls legal.

The
trust-fund ladies and their friends in Hollywood go to Iran talk to
hand-picked Iranians while their “travel handlers,” who are
plain-clothed Revolutionary Guards, assigned by the regime, are
watching every move people make and every word they utter to the
visitors. The ladies of leisure take publicity photos in the mandatory
Islamic robes and head covers and come home to talk about their visit
to the “exotic Islamic third world.” Iranian women call them “Cultural
Imperialists.”

Cultural Imperialists attend the Nobel Peace
Prize ceremony, praising the woman selected by the Islamic regime, but
they will not utter one word of support for the real activists, the
women who are in prisons, getting tortured and hanged, trying to take
back their place among the respected people in the world.

It
is a fact that the feminist American culture, the culture of Hollywood,
is one of the major issues that Islamists like Khomeini, Bin Laden,
Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood, and the Taliban have against America
and the West. But this culture supports the Islamists by its silence
and indifference to the issue of human rights. The Stoning of Soraya M.
should have received many academy awards, many Cannes awards, and many
movie reviews. It is the least this culture can do for the Iranian
women suffering to gain the same human rights that American feminists
exploit.

Manda Zand Ervin is the president of the Alliance of Iranian Women.

 

Reagan VS Liberalism

With all due respect, and I

With all due respect, and I do truly mean that, the horror stories on that website are in fact NEWS ITEMS of real events reported by a wide variety of outlets, of which virtually none are anti-Islam. It is not propaganda. Many of the articles come from news outlets in Islamic countries. There are some opinion articles linked, but the news articles are not fabrications.

Verbatim quotes from the Qur'an are fine, but the reality of what these Islamists are getting away with in terms of their incredible violence towards women based on THEIR twisted interpretations of scripture is really sick.

Why do Muslim women put up with this violence?

On further analysis of the

On further analysis of the website, I see that you are right and I apologize for the accusation.  I guess I should be focusing my criticisms on Muslims and not you.

You asked why do Muslim women put up with this violence.  It is a question I ask also and wish I knew the answer to.

Camelo, you are a most

Camelo, you are a most honorable woman and a class act.

I noticed you identify yourself as a conservadem/moderate repub in your profile, and you have always backed it it up here with your thoughtful and measured responses.

Peace, and I pray that Muslim women find a way to combat this mindless violence.

Thanks for the kind words

Thanks for the kind words and your understanding and respectful demeanor.  I hope peace finds you also.

Message Received

Only uncomfortable stereotypes of white male Americans need be presented in movies, thank you very much.

The New York Times is lurid

The New York Times is lurid liberal news porn.

islam IS misogynistic

This is maybe not that inappropriate, because the way muslims beat and abuse their women according to the koran, -- I believe does have a sexual/sadist aspect to it. There is no doubt that islam is highly misogynistic.

Which is why Obama scares

Which is why Obama scares me.  He embraces Islam and talks about all we have in common, bull.  I have a bad feeling my daughter will be wearing a burka if we keep being so politically correct about Islam.

At least Sarkozy doesn't want women wearing full burkas in public.  

 

NY Slimes has tortured logic, as usual

By any stretch, the movie SAW, and its numerous sequels, are TORTURE PORN of the worst kind.

That is: they portray human beings being hideously mutilated and killed, purely for the pleasure of the villain, and by extension the voyeuristic pop-corn chewing audience.

TORTURE PORN indeed. Lurid and cruel just to entertain and desentsitize kids. There's just no doubt.

So I was wondering what Stephen Holden thinks of this essentially degenerate movie. This, for starters:

(Saw) does a better-than-average job of conveying the panic and helplessness of men terrorized by a sadist in a degrading environment..."

In fact Holden goes a lot further. He thinks SAW is a parallel to IRAQ.

No, I'm not making this shit up.

Get this:

A Gore Fest, With Overtones of Iraq and TV
By STEPHEN HOLDEN

Published: October 29, 2004

The sadistic, Halloween-ready gore fest "Saw" may have been completed long before the horrors of Abu Ghraib came to light. But the movie's picture of two bewildered captives, each shackled by an ankle to a rusty pipe on opposite sides of a filthy subterranean bathroom, bear an uncomfortable resemblance to the infamous Iraqi prison photos.

He continues:

Besides Abu Ghraib, "Saw" suggests a reality television competition like "Fear Factor," carried to the nth degree of cruelty. The way television is headed, it's not entirely inconceivable that games like those played in "Saw" might someday have a future as pay-per-view snuff entertainment. 

So just to get this straight, Holden thinks an actual fictional movie that glories in Torture Porn for entertainment has lessons for us all

But a movie based on what really happened to real people is the one to be hit as “Torture Porn”.

Man, what tortuous logic. Oh... and what a tool.

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!

Jack, I don't know if

Jack, I don't know if you've seen it, but Saw is pretty brilliant.  The creative dispatching of key and secondary characters is a gimmick, but there's also a clever story being told.  The sequels, I will agree, are to suspense film what pro wrestling is to MMA.  Nothing but paper-thin stories around which exceedingly creative deaths can be fashioned.

I absolutely plan to see Stoning.  As for torture porn, here's an interesting article: http://writ.news.fin...

JC -- oh I wasn't offering

JC -- oh I wasn't offering my opinion on whether I liked Saw or not. I did, in fact. I like the horror/gore genre. Starting with John Hurt.

I was only pointing out the contemptible review from Holden. It's a ridiculous standard he holds, when he lauds Saw which is ALL about torture "porn." And then makes that point against a GENUINE portrayal of what actually happened to real people.

It's absurd. And I despise his phoniness .

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!

I'll offer my opinion.

I'll offer my opinion.  Cary Elwes seemed to have forgotten how to act when he did this movie.  Danny Glover too.  Story-wise I'll give it credit.

It's just a foil for my

It's just a foil for my argument. I watch lots of movies. It's not even in my top 20 horror flicks. But I quite enjoyed it like I quite enjoyed Miami Vice.

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!

I worked for Michael Mann

I worked for Michael Mann once.  He's a huge c*ck.  I haven't seen one of his movies since.  I hope Jaws is at your #1 horror position.  It's my standard for judgement.

In no particular

In no particular order

ALIEN

DEAD OF NIGHT

JAWS

THE EXORCIST

THE THING (carpenter)

HALLOWEEN

THE RING (US remake)  

SE7EN

“For God's sake, somebody tell Obama that a TRILLION is one MILLION MILLION!!!!

Some might take issue with

Some might take issue with what I consider horror...

Seven

Eraserhead

Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter

Saw

Halloween

Nightmare on Elm Street

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Rear Window

Psycho

Irreversible

2 Excellent lists there.

2 Excellent lists there.  Never heard of Irreversible, but I'm Netflixing it now because you've got good taste.  I'd just like to add Poltergeist, The Shining, and Amityville Horror.

And Planet Terror ; ) 

Irreversible, while

Irreversible, while brilliant in many ways, is the single most difficult movie to sit through I have EVER seen.  It makes every other film on my list look tame.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

Yes, I would definitely add The Shining, and maybe even A Clockwork Orange, though that might be straining the genre definition.

I admit it, I actually liked Devil's Rejects.

I also cannot believe I forgot to include Funny Games (the original Austrian version, not the U.S. remake).  That's probably the only one that comes close to Irreversible in terms of sheer violation of the viewer's psyche.  Maybe Salo too.

 

Hard Candy

While difficult to watch at times redeems itself. Funny Games made me puke when they did the rewind! Lame!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Interesting, I felt the

Interesting, I felt the opposite.  I thought Hard Candy started off strong but lost me in the end.  The sheer ballsiness of the remote scene in FG, I thought, made up for the fact that it was actually a little cheesy.  And that moment where she first grabs the shotgun...my heart almost stopped.

Wonderful job hijacking the thread.

   No, it was not about an errant movie review of a film that condemns Sharia law and Islam's treatment of women.

  Nah, it was all about JasonC's favorite films of the horror genre. Oh do tell us all about Hard Candy binky. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Geez man, I wasn't even the

Geez man, I wasn't even the first one to do it.  I commented on the topic above, and when I saw a horror buff discussion forming down here I participated in it.  What do you care?

Look dude...

I am not stalking you tonight, I swear! But how would you know Micheal Mann has a huge one? ("working" for him and all). Anyhow, it's probably generational but in my day we had the word "pr*ck" that seemed to cover those guys.

And to the point: Jaws is what Alien is today, yeah it scared me as a kid but I grew up! Good lord, it's a classic, but the scare factor has been overcome many times over!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

C*ck, pr*ck, d*ck...I can go

C*ck, pr*ck, d*ck...I can go on and on to describe that a-hole.  

Yeah, Jaws isn't particularly scary after 100 or so viewings, but to compile a list of best-ofs, it's up at the top.  Psycho isn't especially scary either, but it deserves much credit, not just for historical importance, but the way it (and Hitchcock) inspired horror/suspense filmmaking.  Hell, Psycho was so influential it inspired Gus Van Sant to make the exact movie, shot by shot.

PS: I decided to catch up on the Saw series this weekend with episodes 3 & 4.  Oof!!! 

NB's Jack Coleman would be

NB's Jack Coleman would be the resident expert on torture-porn around here IMO.

He watches/reports on the Rachel Maddow Show on a regular basis. You try that for even two days in a row.

If the movie were called....

... "The Torture of Kalid Sheikh Mohamed," they would have nominated it for an Oscar sight-unseen.

AJ... You've got that

AJ...

You've got that right!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

What are the Odds?

What are the odds that Lifetime will ever show this movie? Or even tell the story of Soraya?

Movie critics at big

Movie critics at big newspapers and magazine often write strangely conflicting reviews.

Personally, I think that portraying the husband as a monster is an easy way out. It would be much more interesting to see a husband who didn't want to stone his wife but felt he must under Islamic law. 

As for horror movies, I won't watch the current torture porn fad. Halloween was a great horror movie. The Thing. 

The "religion" of Islam is nothing more than a bass-ackward,...

...7th Century, primitive, barbaric and violent political movement, whose otherwise would-be camel-washing adherents treat women as no better than cattle.

Any movie that points this fact out is going to be roundly panned by the left, as most Islamists hate and despise America.

For that reason alone, most lefty's, despite their claim of "intellectual superiority" (ROFL!) and high-minded "progressiveness," will willingly give the Islamist primitives a pass on just about any atrocity they commit.

Never mind that, should Sharia Law be put in place here in America, the lefty's skinny little necks would be the VERY first ones rounded up and executed by the illiterate, robed weird-beards.

Liberalism is, after all, a mental disorder.

-Dave

Obama's health care "reform" plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof-Herman Cain

Amen to that!

Amen to that!

Unfortunate.

It's always so unfortunate when people allow their politics and bias to get in the way of such important issues.  This woman died such a brutal and horrific death and this reviewer has chosen to write the entire film off.  He has made every effort he can to silence her voice.  Thankfully there are much more sane voices that will continue to spread her voice.  Having seen this film, I can highly recommend it.  It's graphic, yes, but it does not detract from the film one bit.  As many other viewers and reviewers have pointed out, it adds a great deal.  This is a must-see.