NY Times Live: 'Overseas Bashing...Mr. Cheney Really Hates Europe'

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Kate Phillips blogged the Obama-Cheney dueling national security speeches Thursday morning at nytimes.com. Phillips got her Cheney feedback from New York Times reporter Jim Rutenberg, who was listening to Cheney live at the American Enterprise Institute. Cheney began his speech right after President Obama had finished addressing an audience at the National Archives.

A double standard was soon evident. While the reporters reacted passively to Obama's speech, simply relaying great chunks of it which went unchallenged, Phillips and Rutenberg peppered Cheney's speech with questions on several occasions or otherwise sniped at him.  Some excerpts from the Times's live coverage of Cheney's speech:

Mr. Cheney Begins | 11:22 a.m. The former vice president steps up -- and you know he's ad-libbing a little when he begins by saying that you can tell that President Obama was in the Senate, not the House, (where Mr. Cheney once served), because representatives have a five-minute rule on the floor for speeches.

Mr. Cheney began his speech by noting that he did not speak for former President Bush.

He also credits Mr. Obama for reversing the Pentagon's decision to release photos of abused prisoners, calling that and the president's strategy in Afghanistan "wise." But then he shifted immediately to their disagreements, saying that "when he faults or mis-characterizes the national security decisions we made in the Bush years, he deserves an answer."

Deserves is a very interesting word choice, no?

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Cheney Defines the Debate | 11:34 a.m. Jim Rutenberg: Mr. Cheney outlines his view: "Here is the great dividing line in our current debate over national security. You can look at the facts and conclude that the comprehensive strategy has worked, and therefore needs to be continued as vigilantly as ever. Or you can look at the same set of facts and conclude that 9/11 was a ‘one-off' event -- coordinated, devastating, but also unique and not sufficient to justify a sustained wartime effort. Whichever conclusion you arrive at, it will shape your entire view of the last seven years, and of the policies necessary to protect America for years to come."

Has the Obama administration described Sept. 11 as a "one-off" event?

That's a double standard: The Times felt obliged to snipe at Cheney's characterization of Obama's 9-11 mentality. Yet the paper didn't question Obama's false characterization of the Bush administration's "anything goes" mentality about interrogations. This is what Obama said:

On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who embrace a view that can be summarized in two words: 'anything goes.' Their arguments suggest that the ends of fighting terrorism can be used to justify any means, and that the President should have blanket authority to do whatever he wants -- provided that it is a President with whom they agree.

Blogger Tom Maguire retorted: "Really? 'Anything goes'? Did he actually read the OLC enhanced interrogation memos, which made it clear that lots of things wouldn't go?"

Rutenberg saved his most negative characterization for a moment near the end of Cheney's speech. Apparently bereft of a quality snipe to rebut a tough Cheney point, Rutenberg dismissed the former vice president as a Euro-hater:

Overseas Bashing | 11:48 a.m. Jim Rutenberg: Mr. Cheney really hates Europe. "The administration has found that it's easy to receive applause in Europe for closing Guantanamo," he notes. "But it's tricky to come up with an alternative that will serve the interests of justice and America's national security. Keep in mind that these are hardened terrorists picked up overseas since 9/11."

By contrast, the Times didn't put any of Obama assertions on the grill. Besides letting Obama's false "anything goes" claim slide, the reporters failed to challenge Obama's apparent support for indefinite detentions, which he had opposed as a candidate: "Let me begin by disposing of one argument as plainly as I can: We are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security, nor will we release detainees within the United States who endanger the American people."

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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Cheney takes the lead and Obama follows

Luckily for Obama, he has known about Cheney's national security speech for more than a week.

That knowledge gave Obama lots of time to prepare his own (overly long) speech.

Too bad no one on his staff used any of that time to proofread Obama's speech to make sure he would get Gates' first name right.

I have a lot of words

I have a lot of words jotted down about both speeches...I rarely do this...but I am going to post what some of the most important words were, this is from the American Spectator.

 

President Obama and Dick Cheney continue to be the strongest advocates for their vision of how to fight the War on Terror. The text of Obama's speech is here and Cheney's speech is here. Obama gave a characteristically nuanced speech, explaining how his administration has sought to fight terrorism in a way that is consistent with our values, and said "we went off course" during the Bush administration.

I thought this was the strongest section of Cheney's speech:

The administration seems to pride itself on searching for some kind of middle ground in policies addressing terrorism. They may take comfort in hearing disagreement from opposite ends of the spectrum. If liberals are unhappy about some decisions, and conservatives are unhappy about other decisions, then it may seem to them that the President is on the path of sensible compromise. But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed. You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States, you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist out of the United States. Triangulation is a political strategy, not a national security strategy. When just a single clue that goes unlearned … one lead that goes unpursued … can bring on catastrophe – it’s no time for splitting differences. There is never a good time to compromise when the lives and safety of the American people are in the balance.

Cheney also reminded the audience that there weren't any attacks on U.S. soil in the seven and a half years since 9/11, which he attributed to the administration's effective policies that Obama is unraveling.

While I think this is a very important debate, there is a sense in which it doesn't really matter. Obama is running the show now, and he's going to decide what he thinks will make America safe -- no president wants to see thousands of American civilians killed. He says that the Bush administration's policies not only violated our ideals, but they made us less safe, fine. Now he's changing those policies, so we'll be able to judge him based on his performance.

That's why I thought this statement by Obama, toward the end of his speech, was interesting:

Neither I nor anyone else can standing here today can say that there will not be another terrorist attack that takes American lives. But I can say with certainty that my Administration – along with our extraordinary troops and the patriotic men and women who defend our national security – will do everything in our power to keep the American people safe.

Obama campaigned for nearly two years on the premise that Bush was utterly incompetent and as president, Obama has displayed confidence that his own way of doing things is superior. I hope Obama is correct. But if there's a major terrorist attack on his watch, it won't be satisfactory to simply say "we tried our best." It's hard to argue that national security policies that kept us safe for seven and a half years were wrongheaded, if you change those policies and there's another attack on the homeland.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

al Qaeda training centers in the USA

Looks like the Obama is going to enhance the terrorist recruitment centers here in the USA when he starts shuffling Gitmo prisoners stateside. So will we hear a cry about how Obama's actions are helping al Qaeda recruit soldiers? No.

D

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Bush was President of the USA not Europe

The lefts continuous bitching about how Bush was not liked in Europe is a shell game. Bush was President of the USA not Europe. If an American President is popular in Europe it does not automatically mean he is not doing a good job and conversely being hated in Europe does not mean he is doing a bad job. Obama talks a good game but rarely does what he says or more correctly implies. Obama has said that he wants to transform America and on that score I give him credit. Today he was full of lofty idealism only so he could continue to blame everything on the Bush Administration, that is the tactic of someone who does not know what he is doing. People who actually get things done do not worry about blame if something goes wrong instead they fix whatever is wrong and take steps to make sure it does not happen again. That is exactly what President Bush did after 9/11.

The MSM believe that the Adults are now in charge but by thier very behaviour they have shown we have regressed to Adolescence and the playgroung tactics of name calling and blaming all thier ills on everyone else.

Mr. Cheney really hates Europe.

So? 

 

"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY 

Just Stands to Reason

Obama IS the puppet of vehemently anti-American George Soros.

Soros, who actually hates what the United States stands for,
purposefully seeks to create and fund anti-American organizations, and
supported Obama to the tune of multi-millions in the last election because of
their  shared ideology. Soros infamously said the “main obstacle to a
just and stable world is the United States.”

So, who cares what the lying New York Times has to say about Vice President Cheney?

I care about the numerous policies Obama has put in place, that we know about, which have weakened our national security and is, each day, destroying our economy so he may please his puppet master, George Soros.

Soros' multi-million dollar investment in Obama is, sadly, paying off.

BPB... Yep...he finally

BPB...

Yep...he finally found a winner.

Here is some interesting history....the connections are awesome.  

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

bigtimer

Holy Jumpin' Hell!

That Obama is some bad apple.