NYT Again Says Conservatives Are Doomed, This Time in...Utah?

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Uncovering secret moderation among Western conservative yokels in the age of Obama is becoming a specialty of the New York Times's Western-based reporter Kirk Johnson. On Inauguration Day, Johnson wrote in condescending fashion about the "orderly phalanx marching behind Mr. McCain" in Oklahoma, which had the bad taste to give McCain his largest margin of victory in any state.

This Saturday, he profiled Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. in the negatively headlined "G.O.P. Governor Challenges Utah's Conservative Verities." The text box reads: "The governor breaks with conservative orthodoxy and is still popular." Basically, Johnson sees the death of conservatism in the repeal of Utah's one-of-a-kind liquor laws. Until last week, the state required patrons to purchase a membership in a bar's "private club" before they could have a drink.

Among Utah Republicans, who hold every statewide elected office and more than two-thirds of the State Legislature, Hamlet-like quests for purpose and direction are hardly the norm.

But the norms are dead for Republicans here, something that was in plain view this week as lawmakers overhauled the state's formerly untouchable liquor law at the urging of Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.

The debate was about scrapping the state's one-of-a-kind system of regulating bars and restaurants in a bid to boost the economy. But bound up in it was a profound, ongoing dialog, led by Mr. Huntsman, about what the Republican Party should be about and who should lead it.

The antiquated alcohol laws of one uniquely religious, sparsely populated state is an awfully slender thread from which to spin a philosophical discussion of the Republican Party's identity, isn't it?

Besides, the Republican-dominated Utah legislature passed the bill. Liquor law puritanism is not an exclusively conservative trait: One of the most liberal states, New York, had a law strictly limiting interstate wine sales until the Supreme Court overturned the law in 2006.

The undercurrent of the story, as channeled through Gov. Huntsman: The GOP must moderate or perish:

The soul-searching has also meant a star search for national party leaders. Some Republicans say that conservative politicians like Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the party's vice-presidential nominee in November, will show the way forward, while others say the electoral map -- and the formula for future Republican victories -- was rewritten by President Obama's election, and that a kind of casting call is now under way for new voices. Mr. Huntsman is firmly in the camp that says Republicans must turn the page....Mr. Huntsman's moderate views often put him out of step in his first term -- and sometimes made him ineffective as well -- with the deeply conservative Republican majorities in the State House and Senate. But in the last six months, Mr. Huntsman has honed those differences to rapier sharpness as conservatives linked to the policies of former President George W. Bush have gone on the defensive....But there are hints that Mr. Huntsman's message of moderation, especially given his popularity in the state, is resonating beyond the Legislature and drawing support among the broader population.

 

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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Off topic, but what just

Off topic, but what just happened to the Mehgan McCain post ?

Did it get pulled and why ?

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Blaze... You have got to

Blaze...

You have got to be kidding me...I just posted there too.

This happened with a blog post about Ron Howard and his commerical for O with his other old team-mates with Happy Days...weird...what is going on?

Yea bt, me think's

Yea bt, me think's something strange is afoot here.

Perhap's one of Johnny's boy's had em' pull it ya' think ?

 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Blaze... Yeah...and the

Blaze...

Yeah...and the poll question just changed to-boot!

  WTF, bt ? Allright, now

 
WTF, bt ? Allright, now that's just creepy.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

"I'm taking control here" -

"I'm taking control here" - John McCain 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris... LOL...Just being

Chris...

LOL...Just being another little foot soldier... my friend.

There are no posts about

There are no posts about Meghan McCain anymore??  Considering what she's DOING, and how she's lying, I find that disturbing.

Don't know much about Utah

Don't know much about Utah politics, but it sounds like, as usual, a liberal reporter trying to make a Democratic mountain out of a pro-business molehill.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris... I seriously

Chris...

I seriously don't know what to think after reading this...I'm just going... huh?

Your post is as close to a response I would be able to give...   ;-)

Btw...real quick, Utah is changing too with a lot of Silicon Valley type of companies moving there and have been for quite a few years now...meaning liberals for the most part...it is happening all over the NW and is very worrisome as far as I am concerned when it comes to elections...oh well, I've posted about this now for as long as I have been here...so, it is what it is.

bt, My guess, is like

bt,

My guess, is like your's, that Utah is no longer the insular Mormon-centric state it once was. Kind of like so many other states dropping "blue laws" about selling certain items on Sundays. When I was a kid, you couldn't buy meat in California on Sundays. Now, one day, CA might ban meat sells outright, but that's another discussion... :)

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris... Speaking of Ca.

Chris... Speaking of Ca. and other states...the EPA has banned any dust coming up from farming etc. ...can you believe it...we may not have to worry about meat sales, heck, we may not have to worry about any vegetables/some fruits either... YOU have to Till the soil folks!...Dust happens...but according to the greenies....why there is just too many chemicals going into the air when they till.

The left are destroying all self-dependency here in the country...people are going to go belly-up all over the place...in all types of different bills with what they are doing with their agenda.

God help us all....I thank God I live where I do, I can grow my own, plus water, plus meat in my own back-yard....others aren't going to be so lucky...

I don't have a link for this, but saw the shows on Fox I think it was Friday or there-abouts.

Re farming

If you are in the food production business, you should read up on H.R. 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act. There's concern over the bill at places that runs the gamut from Huff Po to the Ron Paul blogs and the conservative blogs. Funny when that happens. It was introduced by Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) whose husband works for Monsanto, so conspiracy theorists went wild. (Not to imply it's not warranted) Just a few links:

http://www.ftcldf.or...

http://fallenmonk.bl...

http://butnerblogspo...

http://twofroghome.c...

Conservatives are doomed?

Are you kidding me, after Barak "the socialist spender" Obama? but I guess if Kirk Johnson said so it must be the truth. Who is Kirk Johnson?

"Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." Ronald Reagan

something off topic

but i just read the "jon stewart poll" and had to post this twice. 

 

You republican idiots continue to make real conservative sick and embarrassed.

You attack a man who calls out the financial news that knew these ceo's had leverages OUR money 35 to 1 on risky securities and yet told us to buy buy buy? 

Any of you phony republicans are mad at john stewart for going after an arm of GE for misleading viewers, who thought they were getting honest advice, than stop calling yourself conservatives, we don't want you. 

yes stewart is a liberal, but in this case all he was doing was calling out the so call "watchdogs" for failing us and now we lost half the values of our 401k'S.

Who's side are you on? Citi's CEO trying fudge the numbers keep investors in the dark?  yea lets go after jon stewart, the real bad guy.  

Ignorance

The Times article simply shows not only bias but ignorance or willful disregard for truth. The liquor laws throughout the old south were exactly the same as Utah's. The laws had nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. In response to the religious, devout majority in some states laws were passed to restrict the sale of  individual drinks. Bottles were okay as drinking in one's home was permissible. However, the upper crust had "Country Club" exemptions. The middle class, without golf balls, nonetheless demanded the right to their own clubs, hence "private" or "bottle" clubs. This was true in states and counties within local choice states. If anything there was an element of racism involved. Not only was it a class based system wherein the lowest class had less money to join a club (which price may have been only the purchase of a bottle to be left at the club for future use), but "private" clubs could be raided by county sheriffs for personal income (graft) or as means to either control a population by concentration or to punish the same people by closing what all of a sudden became an illegal club. There is a wealth of history in this system that the Times writer could have accessed. One can only assume he didn't care about anything not suiting his real purpose. Are we surprised?

First prize for projection

Wow! If there were an award for projection this could take first prize.

The NYT is sinking, so lo and behold they apparently think the problem is general.  Memo to Pinch: Utter ridiculousness is probably not going to help save your terribly messed up newspaper.

Anyone want to bet that that the NYT will outlive the GOP???

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Needle

Naaahhhhh! That's a sucker bet. Thanks anyway.

Understanding the background

What the article and subsequent postings don't seem to understand is that Utah is less about politics than it is religion and that there are strong expectations for all good members of the faith to uphold "the standards". The majority of conservative lawmakers in Utah have present or former connections to Mormonism. The real fun here is witnessing "Brother Huntsman" tread on ground that undoubtedly makes a lot of Utahans and his own ecclesiastical leaders uneasy.

"But bound up in it was a

"But bound up in it was a profound, ongoing dialog, led by Mr.
Huntsman, about what the Republican Party should be about and who
should lead it."

And...herein is the problem.  The left wants to determine who leads the parties of the OPPOSITION.   Who the hell do they think they are?  Seriously?