NYT Celebrates: Fox News Rivals Catching Up (Really This Time)

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The front page of Saturday's New York Times Arts section featured Jacques Steinberg's "Fox News Finds Its Rivals Closing In."

The Times clearly adores this theme, and is constantly checking for signs that the reign of right-wing news is over and that CNN and MSNBC, whose liberal leanings are never admitted to in the paper, have overtaken Fox among this or that particular viewer segment. The only problem is, those cable rivals never quite seem to stay ahead of Fox News.

When prime-time cable news ratings for the second quarter of 2008 are officially released next week, they will show that Fox News reclaimed the top spot among viewers in their mid-20s through mid-50s, those of greatest interest to news advertisers, according to estimates from Nielsen Media Research.

During the first three months of the year, by contrast, CNN drew so many viewers on big Democratic primary nights and for several presidential debates that it vaulted over Fox News for the first time in six years.

Indeed, back in March the Times celebrated that CNN victory in a specific age segment with a front-page Business section story. The paper has done similarly themed stories on the liberal cable channel MSNBC (featuring liberal Chris Matthews and foaming Bush-hater Keith Olbermann) making gains (but just gains) after the Republicans lost both houses of Congress.

Maybe one day CNN or MSNBC will actually pass Fox News. Imagine how the Times will play that story up!

After laying out the details of the inevitable eclipse of Fox News in the ratings, Steinberg relayed the usual claims of the channel's conservative bias and anti-Obama slant:

A Fox News spokeswoman, Dana Klinghoffer, refused several requests this week for comment about the channel's ratings and strategy. To be sure, the protracted nature of the race for the Democratic nomination, which extended months past that of the Republican race, tended to work to the disadvantage of Fox, which tilts overtly to the right on prime-time programs like "The O'Reilly Factor" and "Hannity & Colmes." While Fox had no Democratic debates, CNN drew 8.3 million viewers for its Democratic candidates' debate on Jan. 31, more than six times its usual prime-time audience.

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Meanwhile, Fox's hosts have seemed to struggle on camera to find a new voice. Three times in less than three weeks in late spring, Fox acknowledged making inappropriate references to Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee. It said on June 12 that it should not have referred in an on-screen headline to Mr. Obama's wife, Michelle, as his "baby mama." Previously, a Fox anchor, E. D. Hill, apologized for likening a seemingly affectionate fist bump by the Obamas at a rally to "a terrorist fist jab," and a Fox analyst, Liz Trotta, expressed contrition for making a joke about a possible assassination of Mr. Obama.

Those comments notwithstanding, a pillar of Fox's strategy, at least in the weeks since Mr. Obama vanquished Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has been to bash him relentlessly.

Of course, CNN and MSNBC have no programs that tilt overtly to the left, and can never be accused of bashing John McCain. Right?

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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They are catching up because

Fox won't get rid of left wing tools like Geraldo, Greta and Alan Colmes!  I don't watch Fox as much as I used to.  It's hard to trust anyone in the MSM but Fox has been the most balanced in my view.  The others are a joke!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

FOX REGRESSION

Fox has been losing my interest (and viewing) - started when they instituted the morning 'Red Eye' show. Whether they know it or not, it was the 'Fox and Friends' show that grew their viewship more than any other offering.

That decision and several others has cost them dearly, and they seem oblivious.

FOX

Ron, are you a left coaster? Here on the correct coast Redeye comes on at 3AM, then a repeat of Hume. Don't they adjust the shows and times?

Red Eye... funniest news

Red Eye... funniest news gag show on TV. Makes Jon Stewart look like the boring, old, unfunny fart he truly is.

Sorry you don't get the joke. And if you don't agree with me, then you sir are worse than Hitler.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Uh, that would be Colbert, Jack

But one thing Red Eye does is get away with is a hell of a lot more gay humor & obvious-anyway profanity-bleeps than Howard Stern ever dreamed-of back when the FCC was expensively chasing him off to Sirius. AFAIK, there's been nary an FCC-peep regarding Red Eye (not that I'm "for" one, I'm just noticing!). Why, it's almost like there are censorious political double-standards involved when it comes to the "pure as the driven snow" FCC, or something....
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Well . . .

It is my understanding that the FCC has no jurisdiction over cable tv. The FCC's domain only covers the airwaves of the nation. This explains why they went after Howard when his show was on free radio & why they went after CBS over the Janet Jackson/Super Bowl mishap.

Cable is essentially unregulated by the FCC, which explains why Comedy Central can put the South Park movie or the Air America movie on late at night with all the profanties unedited.

Fox has tilted slightly left in the last couple of years...

That's why their viewership has sagged a bit. They are not, and never were, tilted right, but the MSM feels that shows like Hannity & Colmes, where both sides have equal time, are "right wing" because they can't stand that a conservative opinion is even broadcast, let alone given equal time to the liberal opinion.

With MSNBC and NBC overtly running to the extreme left, and CBS, CNN and PBS having been there for a while, I would LOVE IT if FoxNews Channel actually made a decision to go to the right. They could cite the equal time spirit of the "fairness doctrine" as their reason.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Bingo

c5 you nailed it.  I find FNC difficult to watch in the evening.  I still enjoy Fox & Friends.  It is their best show.  But, O'Reilly has screwed the pooch. (can I say that?)  He has gone waaaay overboard in his attempts to be even-handed to Obama. The constant talking over each other on H & C gives me a headache.  Greta is too much like Inside Edition.  Brit Hume and Neil Cavuto are the best.  So, that leaves me with 3 shows I can watch on FNC.  A far cry from how it used to be when I enjoyed most of the shows.

"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind."  Ayn Rand

The ratings blip is

The ratings blip is precisely why I opposed any debates on these stations while the Dems had the nerve to boycott FNC.  Ratings = advertising dollars.  What the Dems pulled using the boycott was an indirect kickback to their supporters in the MSM. 

It will be interesting to see what the numbers are now that the one sided coverage due to the boycott is over. 

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Yep this was really good

Yep this was really good "While Fox had no Democratic debates" and why is that?  It wasn't because FNC did not want to hold any.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Greta Van

Greta's show has been pretty watchable lately, seems it less slam-bang right into the missing white woman of the week and more political now.  Last night she did an interview with Karl Rove to lead off the show - she came off harder on Obama than Karl did if you can believe it.  Rove was "what a good speech" Obama had given about "patriotism" and Greta almost asked him what he'd been smoking, but phrased it nicer.

I saw that. She was hard on

I saw that. She was hard on Obama. - And, she doesn't cut off her guest's answers - unlike many on Fox and elsewhere. I would much rather hear and trust Karl Rove's political analysis than O'Reilly's - contrary to what O'Reilly seems to think.

A+

A+ on that Chris.  BOR has begun to smell a lot.  He champions some good causes, but by and large is way too full of himself.  I dispise his "Body Language" segment and he is totally clueless on supply and demand issues. 

I think there's nothing

I think there's nothing wrong with O'Reilly that him taking about three giant steps back from his ego wouldn't help. However, his populism gets in the way of a useful discussion of economuc issues. Especially, when he steps on some interesting and informative answers from his EXPERT guests. As for the weekly body language segments - they are about as helpful as a gum ball machine in a lock jaw ward.

The Self Importance of Bill O'Reilly Factor

Bill O’Reilly has become the most difficult one to watch on Fox lately.  He has always had an overblown ego; HE was the FIRST ONE to report (pick any story), and THE FACTOR was the FIRST SHOW to cover the immigration issue, etc., etc.  But now with Ubermann going after him all the time and Media Matters reporting his factual inaccuracies, he has developed a deep-seated persecution complex.  Now not only does he have an overblown ego, but according to him the whole world is out to get HIM.  Yuck!  Make it stop!  Oh yeah, just flip the channel.  That does the trick.

Wasn't The Factor singularly

Wasn't The Factor singularly responsible for anything good that's happened in the last several years? You'd think so by listening to O'Reilly claim credit.

→ Jessica's Law

I think he's by far the most instrumental in shaming several States into passing anti-child molestation legislation.

He brought Tiller the Baby Killer to the national scene.

Who held Jeffrey Immelt's feet to the fire with GE's treasonous dealings with Iran?

Limbaugh and O'Reilly have been bashing PMSNBC for over five years.

O'Reilly is wrong on some things, including gasoline prices, speculation, and CEO pay.

But I'll still watch him.  I think he's totally full of himself, but I think he cares about America and Americans.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

That's what's so great about

 That's what's so great about America, we are free to watch or not watch anything on television. I just get tired ofO'Reilly carrying on like, if it wasn't for him, there would be nothing going on positive. It gets tiresome. Contrary to his statements, he's not the only national media figure out there talking about the issues.

 However, I am most grateful to him for drawing frequent attention to the "girls gone wild" on college campuses and spring break venues. I worry frequently about this issue and his film clips are most informative.

Chris is correct

Chris, you and I agree on both of your central points.  O’Reilly has become a caricature of himself.   Olbermann is little more than the liberal/progressive response to O’Reilly.  They are both over inflated windbags with a sense of self importance that draws attention to themselves as apposed to the issues that they “care so much about.”

Despite my disdain for

Despite my disdain for O'Reilly, I've got to say that he cuts a lot more slack for Obama and the Democrats than the zero slack that Olbermann grants Bush and the Republicans. In fact, Olbermann makes stuff up with which to attack Republicans. O'Reilly says he's an Independent and his populism frequently cuts against Republicans, while Olbermann has turned himself into just a rabid attack dog for the Democrats.

I understand

I understand why some people are turned off by O'Reilly and some of your criticisms are justified, but your claim that Media Matters is somehow a credible source for ANYTHING (let alone Bill O'Reilly) is "just plain poppycock."

The great thing about O'Reilly is not necessarily his politics but the fact that he agressively attacks the old line media. He has made life long enemies at the NY Times, the Washington Post, CBS, and of course NBC/MSNBC. (His evisceration of Andrea Mitchell in an interview about her book last year was absolutely priceless.)

No one else on tv is as tough on the main stream media as O'Reilly. What is sad is that he is really the only one. (NBC/MSNBC only bickers and nitpicks at its rival Fox, although Little Dan Abrams will occasionally go after CNN.

A good thing?

Captain,

"He has made life long enemies at the NY Times, the Washington Post, CBS, and of course NBC/MSNBC."

Granted he has, but how is this constructive?  How does making life-long enemies move the ball forward?  You can't win arguments or even attempt to persuade people to your side if you are hateful towards them. 

Some more words of wisdom

Some more words of wisdom from Anderson...

You are too funny...I love reading your phony baloney posts.

Tsk tsk...NYTs, CBS, Media Matters, msnbc/NBC...WaPo...reading you is so easy. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Tsk tsk yourself?

"Tsk tsk...NYTs, CBS, Media Matters, msnbc/NBC...WaPo...reading you is so easy." 

 These were the Captain's words, not mine.  They were in quotes, taken from his post directly above mine.  But, whatever.

Anderson dear.. My point

Anderson dear..

My point to you was who cares about working with them or being constructive with them or anything else for that matter...they are the enemy within and you know it....very well...

Just as you knew exactly what I meant to you...I have read enough of your posts to know all I need to know about what another lovely troll we have here...just another kinder gentler one...who thinks he's smart by half.

Please carry on...as you always do. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Your argument is weak

Your argument is weak because he is not hateful, it is your perception.  I imagine teh Bible and Christianity would never sell also because it is hateful?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Yeah, a great thing . . .

. . . because no one else on tv is doing it. Sure, sometimes Bill is vindictive and boorish in his attacks but he is not afraid to take shots at just about anyone in the news business (except of course, his bosses). The vast majority of the shots Bill takes at these people are justified, in my opinion.

As for convincing or changing these people, that no one can ever do. Most media people think that by being in the press, they are in a special class above the rest of the citizenry. They feel that the First Amendment creates a fourth branch of government all their own. Bill's attacks help deflate the media's over-blown sense of self-importance.

Any intelligent criticism of the media is welcome in my world. Isn't that what this site is supposed to be about?

 

Media Matters - Please spare me.

David Brock has 0 credibilty.  I don't think BOR is worried about any "facts" coming from the hacks at Media Matters.

I had to chuckle when I saw

I had to chuckle when I saw a thanks from Dan Abrams on PMSMNBC for making his show the number one cable news program--at 9PM, on Friday evenings. 

He forgot to add another qualifier which would be "in the summer" when very few people are watching anything--especially Friday nights.

Maybe his mommy still watches.

 

 

 

Is Little Dan even on then?

I thought he was being preempted by MSNBC's powerful weekend lineup of "Lockup: San Quentin" or some such nonsense. MSNBC's weekend lineup seems to creep earlier and earlier into their Friday night lineup.

On this note, how can anyone take MSNBC seriously as a cable news organization when they essentially close up shop on the weekends? It seems that all they run on the weekends are shows about crime or women's prisons. This strikes me as very odd. The weekend comes and MSNBC just punts. Fox & CNN run some taped shows on the weekend, but they do have live news coverage as well.

Am I the only one who finds this strange?

 

It's all about the news of

It's all about the news of the day.

Fox can not overcome the media Obama love affair!

Breaking News is when Fox takes charge.

 

I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.

 

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