Meat Is Murder -- Or at Least Manslaughter -- at the NYT

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By Clay Waters | January 29, 2008 - 15:07 ET

The front of Sunday's Week in Review featured "Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler" by food writer Mark Bittman, which considered the (by his lights) welcome possibility that Americans might be eating far less meat in the near future.

There might be more than a pinch of liberal ideology in Bittman's recipe. Back in May 2004, Bittman expounded on the joys of vegetarianism in phrases that sounded straight out of a PETA pamphlet.

On Sunday he wrote:

"A sea change in the consumption of a resource that Americans take for granted may be in store -- something cheap, plentiful, widely enjoyed and a part of daily life. And it isn't oil.

"It's meat.

"The two commodities share a great deal: Like oil, meat is subsidized by the federal government. Like oil, meat is subject to accelerating demand as nations become wealthier, and this, in turn, sends prices higher. Finally -- like oil -- meat is something people are encouraged to consume less of, as the toll exacted by industrial production increases, and becomes increasingly visible.

"Global demand for meat has multiplied in recent years, encouraged by growing affluence and nourished by the proliferation of huge, confined animal feeding operations. These assembly-line meat factories consume enormous amounts of energy, pollute water supplies, generate significant greenhouse gases and require ever-increasing amounts of corn, soy and other grains, a dependency that has led to the destruction of vast swaths of the world's tropical rain forests.

"Just this week, the president of Brazil announced emergency measures to halt the burning and cutting of the country's rain forests for crop and grazing land. In the last five months alone, the government says, 1,250 square miles were lost."

Bittman's judgmental attitude shows through:

"Grain, meat and even energy are roped together in a way that could have dire results. More meat means a corresponding increase in demand for feed, especially corn and soy, which some experts say will contribute to higher prices.

"This will be inconvenient for citizens of wealthier nations, but it could have tragic consequences for those of poorer ones, especially if higher prices for feed divert production away from food crops. The demand for ethanol is already pushing up prices, and explains, in part, the 40 percent rise last year in the food price index calculated by the United Nations' Food and Agricultural Organization."

We need to go vegetarian because meat is killing us:

"Those grain-fed animals, in turn, are contributing to health problems among the world's wealthier citizens -- heart disease, some types of cancer, diabetes. The argument that meat provides useful protein makes sense, if the quantities are small. But the 'you gotta eat meat' claim collapses at American levels. Even if the amount of meat we eat weren't harmful, it's way more than enough.

Bittman welcomes the day when eating meat will be downgraded as a lifestyle choice:

"In fact, Americans are already buying more environmentally friendly products, choosing more sustainably produced meat, eggs and dairy. The number of farmers' markets has more than doubled in the last 10 years or so, and it has escaped no one's notice that the organic food market is growing fast. These all represent products that are more expensive but of higher quality.

"If those trends continue, meat may become a treat rather than a routine. It won't be uncommon, but just as surely as the S.U.V. will yield to the hybrid, the half-pound-a-day meat era will end.

"Maybe that's not such a big deal. 'Who said people had to eat meat three times a day?' asked Mr. Pollan."

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.

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now is this infringing on a

now is this infringing on a women's right to choose - to eat meat or not...?

Eat more possum, Squirrel, Deer

So, Mr. Pollan, if I stop eating Meat, will I live Forever ? 

No ?   Well what years will it take off my life.....the ones when I'm 28 - 30, or the ones when I'm 83 - 86 ? 

 

Stimulis: Congress and the president are now agreed on remedies that will not work, expending money they do not have, to fix a problem that may not exist.  Steve Chapman 

I am offended, as a member

I am offended, as a member of:

People

Eating

Tasty 

Animals

No balance in this article. Meat is very efficient food/protein source, if eaten in right quantities. efficient meaning the energy it takes to create protien, versus other sources of protein.

It's the Beef

Fact: We (homo sapiens) are omnivores by nature

It's the Beef
http://www.westonapr...

Is beef good for you? (excerpt)


What a shame we have demonized red meat because this is one modern food, enjoyed by almost everybody, that is rich in nutrients. Red meat provides complete protein, including sulphur-containing proteins like cysteine. Beef is a wonderful source of taurine and carnitine, needed for healthy eyes and a healthy heart. Beef also provides another key nutrient for the cardiovascular system—coenzyme Q10.

Beef is an excellent source of minerals like magnesium and zinc—you need zinc for clear thinking and a healthy sex life. The fuzzy-headedness that vegetarians mistake for heightened consciousness is really the fog of zinc deficiency. Vitamin B6 is abundant in meat, especially rare meat. Red meat is one of the best sources of vitamin B12, which is vital to a healthy nervous system and healthy blood. Vegetarians are especially prone to vitamin B12 deficiency. One of the first signs of vitamin B12 deficiency is a tendency to irrational anger-—so much for vegetarian claims that we will have a more peaceful, harmonious world if we all just stop eating meat.

If you use the animal bones and hooves to make stock, and use the stock as our ancestors did in soups, stews and sauces, you will get plenty of calcium and the components of cartilage to give you healthy bones and cartilage. If you eat organ meats, as our ancestors did, you will get vital fat-soluble nutrients like vitamin A and D, both of which are essential for protein utilization and mineral absorption.

...And we haven't even...

...BEGUN to tap the vast resources of other sources of meat!

Rodents from hamsters to guinea pigs to capybara! Countless lizards are excellent sources of meat and consumed throughout the world.

Horses, burros, mules, donkeys, cats, dogs, haven't even gotten a smidgen of attention when it comes to breeding and rearing them for food! Don't wince my friends! You haven't lived until you've had a nice CatChowMein or a plate of crispy BeagleBites!

Where are the grants? Where is the government support?

Where's my tuna-safe dolphin?

And those PETA types look pretty darn succulent... if we could only get some meat on their bones...

I'd like to call Him an ass

But given the subject, maybe I should call Him a Beet ?

Thanks for reminding me....

This growing boy will be grilling a fine strip steak for dinner.

"Vegetables aren't food.

"Vegetables aren't food. They're what food eats." - Red Forman

Joy has issues.Joy is a

Joy has issues.

Joy is a continuing soap opera...you can check in three months later and nothing has changed.

LMAO...don't know how this got on this thread...sorry about that.

So I'll just throw in I like my meat medium rare. 

Meat consumption up due to cold weather.

Snow on Maui Haleakala today, so I started a fire ( in a fireplace). While I'm warming myself I'll cook a ribeye! So very efficient.

iranian uranium; iranian uranium, iranian uranium..

Oh joy to the world, 19 more atomic power plants!

what a moron! And where is

what a moron! And where is the cost of grain going up because of ethanol?

There's nothing new in that everything is linked in the economy

What a twit!

We already pay farmers NOT to grow crops because there are too much already. Meat prices are rising because there is a demand for the corn that makes up the bulk of the feed to go to ethanol. History has shown that as developing countires get more access to meat, their populations get healthier.
It's also been clinically shown that vegitarians are deficient in a couple of key amino acids and enzymes that cause all kinds of health problems. Women who are vegitarians are often anemic because the do not get nearly enough iron in their diets.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Hey, call me "Cannibal" ...

Hey, call me "Cannibal" ... and damn proud of it!!!

From my cold, dead hands will you take my med-rare steak ...

I roasted a 7 lb ribeye

I roasted a 7 lb ribeye roast last night. Aged black angus. Exquisite! (Too expensive, however, I guess the government subsidy check didn't cover all the costs of raising and slaughtering it.)

My dog had one of the bones this morning. He said it was exquisite too.

Damn, Ben! Any

Damn, Ben!

Any left-overs? <mmmmmmm!>

Actually lots of

Actually lots of leftovers.  My wife and I bought it for our three sons (grown up).  We were going to cook it for a family get together.  Their wives all like chicken/turkey, and the grandmonsters would mostly prefer hot dogs.  Well, our plans fell through and we decided to cook it before it went south on us. 

We'll be eating roast beast sandwiches for a month.

Hey, might seem

Hey, might seem sacrilegious but a nice stew with baby portabella mushrooms or a stroganoff ain't out of the question, you know.

All three of our daughters were/are rare to med-rare steak eaters since early childhood.

My mouth is watering

My mouth is watering too....I'll bring the baked potatoes...salad...rolls...lol...

Another liberal moron has spoken

 It is a lifestyle choice and I choose bacon cheeseburgers.

"It is a lifestyle choice

"It is a lifestyle choice and I choose bacon cheeseburgers."

Not for long, if people like this guy get their way. The scary part is I can actually see it happening.

I predict "not a chance".

I predict "not a chance". Trans fats sounded bad and was perceived as an ingredient rather than a foodstuff. People will not accept the prohibition of red meat.

Dinner time...linguine with meatballs and Italian sausage. Aw yeah..

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

Hypothetically

...........speaking, if the entire populas of the U.S. stopped eating any kind of meat whatso ever, what would become of all the livestock in this country? Would they just be set loose, to roam wherever they wanted?What about all the wild game, deer,rabbits etc. What a mess. But I have yet to hear one person from the msm to ask this to peta and all the anti meat eaters. Besides, if animals were'nt intended to be eaten, why are they made of meat?

"...just as surely as the

"...just as surely as the S.U.V. will yield to the hybrid..."

What yielding is he referring to? I see plenty of SUV's on the road. It's more like, the uppity hybrid is demanding top slot. But as long as testicles, testosterone and chest hair exist in this country, the good ol' SUV shall remain. The same goes for meat-eating.

What knee-jerk

What knee-jerk reactions!

The article isn't saying "don't eat beef," he's not espousing vegetarianism. We eat huge amounts of red meat in this country, and large amounts of red meat isn't terribly healthy. Smaller amounts of red meat is healthy. Ecologically, it isn't as efficient as plant-based proteins. Each step of the food chain only transmits about 10% of the energy consumed, so the closer you get to the sun the more efficient a process it is.

So what? Anyone who has a problem with the facts in the article, fire away, but it sounds like you guys just don't like the hippy tone.

If you want to eat beef, go for it. No one is ever going to stop you. But can I recommend grass-fed to all the bovine connoisseurs out there? It tastes better, the meat is healthier, it doesn't require a quarter gallon of oil per cow to produce, it isn't driving up the price of corn-based foods, and it supports both sustainable rangeland management and small farmers. Give it a try.

grass-fed

My SOP and I are totally on the grass-fed bandwagon, not only for the reasons you cite, but also because the animals are typically "happier" (cows are designed for grazing) and, perhaps as a direct consequence, more nutrient dense.

Vegitarian=

Vegitarian is Latin for Bad Hunter...

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Seig Heil, BIttman!

Here comes the NannyState again to "save" us. And I must have missed that huge hybrid wave because I see many many more SUVs then those little rubber-band powered go-carts on the road. It's the demonization of the American Dream once again. It's the demonization of us for being so prosperous. Trust me, this guy is a HillBill supporter. If they get in (and now they might thanks to the idiots in Florida who voted McCain (D-AZ)), we can look forward to many things like this coming to fruition.

You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.

Things like what? What

Things like what? What Nanny State? Nowhere in that article is there even a mention of government interference, mandates, or anything. You hear someone caution you about health and the environment and you immediately assume someone is trying to impinge on your liberty!

The solutions suggested in the article? Improved waste management practices, elimination of subsidies, improved farming techniques, technological innovation, and the natural influence of better informed consumers on a free market. Oh, the horror!

Do people here at least agree, I hope...

That there should NOT be government subsidies on meat in an ostensibly-capitalist system?
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)

→ I agree sarc

Subsidies get us silly feelgood policies like the Government synthetically raising the price of corn.

We don't need Ethanol, but oh boy do we love to play like we're saving the planet.

ADM would survive just fine by itself.

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