NYT Editor: 'We Have a War Going Very Badly in Iraq'

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Times Executive Editor Bill Keller delivered the Hugo Young Memorial Lecture in London last week, sponsored by the liberal Guardian newspaper, and said some things to his journalistic friends he might not have felt comfortable telling a more general audience.

In remarks reminiscent of those made a year and a half ago in a college commencement speech by his boss, Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Keller unleashed his liberalism, denouncing talk radio and Karl Rove.

"Whatever you think of its policies, the current administration has been more secretive, more mistrustful of an inquisitive press, than any since the Nixon administration. It has treated freedom of information requests with contempt, asserted sweeping claims of executive privilege, even reclassified material that had been declassified. The administration has subsidized propaganda at home and abroad, refined the art of spin, discouraged dissent, and sought to limit traditional congressional oversight and court review. The war in Iraq alone is a case study of the administration's determination to dominate the flow of information -- from the original cherry-picking of intelligence, to the deliberate refusal to hear senior military officers when they warned of the potential for chaos, to the continually inflated claims about the progress in building up an indigenous Iraqi army."

....

"The distaste for debate and dissent has another, higher cost. Fighting terrorists, whatever method you choose, depends on making alliances at home and abroad. It depends on a consensus of the civilized world. And I wonder whether the discrediting of honest critics, the unwillingness to trust anyone except a cohort of diehard loyalists -- has undermined the unity of purpose essential to such a struggle."

....

"Besides a decided preference for operating in the dark, the Bush administration has contributed to the woes of the press in another way. It has helped create a toxic climate for the press by inflaming the polarization of our public. At least since the election of 2000, with its attendant questions of legitimacy, some of the wide, reasonable middle of the American electorate has gravitated to angry and intolerant fringes, right and left. There are many reasons for this -- including the proliferation of partisan blogs, hate-mongering radio broadcasts and intemperate television shout shows -- but a president plays a considerable role in setting the tone of public discourse, and the tone of public discourse in my country has been nasty. It has been nasty by design; dividing the electorate into mistrustful camps and pandering to their fears was an explicit strategy of the president's political wizard, Karl Rove."

....

"Too often, though, the critics are shrill, personal, and humorless - neo-Bolsheviks and mini-McCarthy's. After our decision to report on the government's warrantless wiretapping program, some members of the administration's amen chorus proposed that the Times be charged with treason under the Espionage Act. A right-wing radio pundit suggested that I be put to death. And another defender of the national interest posted maps to my apartment -- and my publishers' -- on the internet, for the benefit of any lunatics who wanted to drop by and set us straight. Those of you who are acquainted with New York apartment life can imagine how that went over with my co-op board."

This from the editor of the paper that in June 2006 showed how to find the weekend homes of Vice President Cheney and former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld.

"And I would argue that in this clattering, interconnected, dangerous world, journalism that cuts through the noise has never been needed more. We have a war going very badly in Iraq, and another one in Afghanistan where our declaration of victory looks very premature."

If Keller still thinks the Iraq war is "going very badly" even after the troop surge, perhaps he should read the front page of his paper from November 20: "Baghdad Starts to Exhale as Security Improves."

And for a laugh, check this out:

"Third, we are agnostic as to where a story may lead; we do not go into a story with an agenda or a pre-conceived notion. We do not manipulate or hide facts to advance an agenda. We strive to preserve our independence from political and economic interests, including our own advertisers. We do not work in the service of a party, or an industry, or even a country. When there are competing views of a situation, we aim to reflect them as clearly and fairly as we can."

The Times doesn't work in the service of the United States? After the paper's notorious leaks of classified information on secret anti-terrorism programs, that's certainly not hard to believe.  

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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gimme a break

so under CLINTON, people like Begala, Carville, Blumenthal et al didn't set a toxic political tone in this country??

He's absolutely right. His

He's absolutely right. His side of the War is going very badly, indeed.

He just forgot to mention who's side he's on.

And we have a newspaper...

And we have a once genuinely good newspaper (40 years ago) now flushing itself down the toilet.

a study in alternate universe theory

"...the administration's determination to dominate the flow of information..."
The President has dominated CBS, NBC, ABC, BBC, LAT, NYT, Reuters, etc., etc. ??? In which alternate universe?

"We have a war going very badly in Iraq, and another one in Afghanistan"
I might suggest going with THIS week's news and information.

"the proliferation of partisan blogs, hate-mongering radio broadcasts and intemperate television shout shows"
Mirror, mirror on the wall... let's see.. KOS, Air(head) America, The View, ... Yep! He's right.

"...the administration's

"...the administration's determination to dominate the flow of information..."

and don't forget they've even reclassified material that had been declassified

Excuse me, but if the administration gets to decide what is and isn't classified, why is this a problem?

At least since the election of 2000, with its attendant questions of legitimacy,  -Keller

And there it is....the liberal lodestone....it always goes back to the "stolen" election of 2000....

"...delivered the Hugo

"...delivered the Hugo Young Memorial Lecture in London last week..."

The Hugo Young Memorial Lecture. Is this something devoted to those who cheer for defeat? 

 

Baloney, salami, pastrami

Couple of items...

On Iraq and fighting Terrorism...where this Idiot says it "depends on making alliances at home and abroad"...Well having VICTORY in Iraq next year, will bring along "alliances" with the rest of the Free World to join with America in fighting Terrorism, and winning.  "At home" we're going to sweep the Congressional Carpets clean of Pelosi and Reid and all the other low rated politicians of the worst Congress ever,  to form a new "winner" alliance with Americans and newly elected Congressional replacements and continue to defeat Terrorism. 

As far as his Apartment "Co-op Board" reaction.....what's that ?...don't like living under a group of Socialist Apartment Nazi's ?  Experience the Free World of hassel free American life and move outta NY before the NYT goes under.  I recommend San Fran and the Left Coast (along with a Sex change of course).   

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

This guy is clearly mentally ill!

Wow.  No wonder NYT circulation is down.  This is not an ad hominem attack, I actually believe a number of professionals could clearly diagnose several documented mental illnesses within this subject, though 'the force' is strong with this one...  

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

I thought it was just me...

... He does seem to be astoundingly out of touch, ridiculous, and floundering.

(See: Pelosi, Reid, et al.)

So really...

Is this guy any relation to Helen?

I just wonder if this moron

I just wonder if this moron really believes the words that are coming out of his mouth. Incredible.

Psychologists -

Call it projection. I like where he is doing this rant too. It is for a group of like-minded individuals. I think he is passing out the song book to the chorus.

Bill Keller wants the war to

Bill Keller wants the war to go badly.  He has also been working tirelessly to make the war go badly.  He covers himself up in enough "journalism" double-talk and "plausible deniability" to avoid serious charges of treason.  But his actions are treasonous.  He's a total scumbag.

The headline of Keller's

The headline of Keller's next column will be

"Iraq War Going Badly, Despite Successes"

What A Bunch Of Crap

It will never cease to amaze me how someone of his position, can say that with a straight face, and then return home and be congratulated for giving a good speech. Moreover, you'd love to have someone like him, say that on a panel with the likes of Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham or Rush Limbauch to give a rebuttal. What a jerk!!!!

the speech

another example of the arrogance of the liberal elite.... this right wing conspiracy stuff is starting to sound pretty lame. 

 I wonder how the audience responded?

"Whatever you think of its

"Whatever you think of its policies, the administration has been more secretive, more mistrustful of an inquisitive press, than any since the Nixon administration. It has treated freedom of information requests with contempt, asserted sweeping claims of executive privilege, even reclassified material that had been declassified. The administration has subsidized propaganda at home and abroad, refined the art of spin, discouraged dissent, and sought to limit traditional congressional oversight and court review.

But, enough about the Clintoon administration . . . Let's talk about the billary campaign for president. 

The test for everyone at

The test for everyone at the NYT’s.

 

What best describes your job/paper at the NYT’s?

 

 

(A) Journalism:

jour·nal·ism n

       the profession of gathering, editing, and publishing news reports and related articles for newspapers, magazines, television, or radio

 

(B) Propaganda:

prop·a·gan·da n

1.       information or publicity put out by an organization or government to spread and promote apolicy, idea, doctrine, or cause

2.       deceptive or distorted information that is systematically spread

 

(C) treason:

trea·son n

1.       violation of the allegiance owed by a person to his or her own country, for example, by aiding an enemy.

See also high treason

2.       betrayal or disloyalty

3.       an act of betrayal or disloyalty

 

(A)

(B)

(C)

(D) none of the above

(E) all the above.

 

 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

That guy is smoking crack....

 

 What color is the sky in his world?

Victory in Iraq.

superc... Couldn't agree

superc...

Couldn't agree more with you here.

What color indeed? 

Hold your tongue, Keller.

Hold your tongue, Keller. You are not soldier fighting overseas, therefore you have NO voice or reason to say we are losing the war. It is simply your libtarded mind set on cruise control as you mentally jerk off with your cohorts.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Disaster in Iraq

According to Bush's own standards it is obvious that the overthrow of the Iraqi government is and has gone very badly.

Instead
of being greeted as liberators, we are facilitatitng genocide. Instead
of finding weapons of mass destruction, we are using them against
civilian targets, making us worse than those we claim to be fighting.
Instead of bringing democracy to a middle eastern dictatorship, we are
setting up a puppet government ownded and operated by Washington D.C.

How
quickly the lemmings on the right deny that the metric by which this
war would be deteremined a success was a stable goverment and a federal
system of oil revenue sharing in place to help restore the Iraqi nation
and repay the debt incurred by years of war.

Instead we have new
laws snuck in to privatize the oil revenues for US oil company profit,
no government of any kind in place, complete failure to organize a
local security apperatus including civilian police, full scale civil
war, thousands of new terrorists created by the US occupation, less
water and power than before the invasion despite years of US
contractor malfunctions, the list goes on and on. No significant
progress outlined by the Bush administration prior to the
excalation of this summer has happened.

So, everything over
there is screwed up worse than anybody could have predicted, and yet
all of these posts deriding someone who dares speak the truth. If this
is success, no wonder the righties are obssesed with failure.

How's the view from under your sand pile? 

What a waste of typing.

What a waste of typing.

Cut and paste Chris

Another cut and paste bot roaming the Halls of NB trying to get attention.

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF, where are those virgins

you promised me?? ......a Muslim plant??.......paranoid?.........delusional?......Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? .........Are you worried about Cat Stevens?? .....those songs about violence scare you??....."Peace train "terrify you, AF?........still worried about Iran???........a customer for Halliburton??

we've been over this sweetie

You can't just string together BDS catchphrases, end your tirade with "Halliburton!" and expect the debate to be over.

We should start doing that to lefties. Every time they argue with us we should say "Sandy Berger!" and just walk away.

candance, lil awol is a liar...

about the nuCULUR Iran......the one that the NIE declared had STOPPED it's program in 2003......but lil awol and his vice-liar Cheney declared Iran to be a grave danger.......but when you're a fascist........you don't get penalized for your lies......Think on it, son.

Professor

In what has become a never ending exercise in futility I must once again explain to you that the WEAPONS delivery system is the easiest thing to put together or BUY.  Enriching Uranium is the hardest part and even the report you are talking about is stating that they will have a weapon sometime between 2009 and 2011.

FACT

Not pulled from thin air

You bet they are a threat and if you could put down the Bong long enough you could see too.  Maybe you should step back from the chemicals at school.

 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF, you're letting your paranoia block critical

thinking. If a country wanted a nuke, the easiest way is to simply buy it from another country. Again, we have had a MAD(mutual assured destruction ) policy with the "evil" Soviets for over 40 years. Your fear based logic is hardly convincing, unless you want to believe that Iran would launch a first strike with complete knowledge that they would be turned into vapor. But, your assumption that Iran will attack whether or not it gets vaporized in reaction, suggests that nuke deterrence strategy is a complete failure. So, I guess unilaterally disarming would not make a difference in our security since crazy nations will never be deterred.

You've made a case for a first use nuke attack or nuke disarmament.

Comrade rof

This is too easy tonight...Moving a nuke is much too hard.  There is this thing call radiation that can be detected in transport, plus the consequences of selling one on the black or regular market would be too direr to risk.  You sell the secrets not the weapon....

Does...that...help ...your ...synaptic? 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

Let this be a response to

"Professor"

Let this be a response to your entire lunacy in this thread.

It is pretty easy to figure out. (for anyone not suffering from BDS) All you have to do is ask yourself what happened in 2003. In 2003 after the shortest battle for a nation in recent memory, the good guys were standing smack dab in the middle of Bagdad!

What happened next? Libya decided it did not want to play in the NUCLEAR playground, and their entire set up is now in Oak Ridge.

Most thinking people would surmise those actions may have very well influenced Iran's decision to halt their program. That is if the intellegence is true.

First, you have to wonder why the folks who authored this estimate told a completely different story just a scant few months ago. You have to ask yourself what THEIR agenda is.

You also have to ask yourself why the Irainians have continued to build underground facilities. You really have to ask yourself why are they enriching uranium. Not a whole lot of uses for enriched uranium.

But the big question you gotta ask yourself is this: If all of you libs absolutely believe the intellegence that lead up to the Iraq war was 100 percent wrong, why do you morons take this one at face value? Is it all about your severe BDS?

As for the "evil" Soviet Union, just ask anyone of the millions (of their own people) that were executed by the state if the Soviet Union was an evil empire!

 

Allah akbar my brother.  I

Allah akbar my brother.  I see you are out furthering cause of our fellow extremist by bringing down the capitalist dogs in the US.  Maybe you and brother WHY can also bring down these infidels at Newsbusters.

Carry on and your virgins await your martyrdom. 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH

 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF, I presume you're talking about lil awol...

whose daddy was in bed with the Bin Laden family....the Carlysle group....the ones who profit in the billions in the blood and death industry.......all those Iraqi children are probably grateful......for all the "shock and awe" they welcomed as liberation......along with those liberating daisy cutters.....that maime anyone who picks them up......and all those 4 million refugees....are thanking us for liberating them.....from their homes.....family.....kids......and life.......they're all thanking lil awol.......Too Funny.

 whose daddy was in bed

 whose daddy was in bed with the Bin Laden family

Actually Professor, Clinton contracted with the Bin Laden family, the largest construction company in Saudi, to build all of our friendly forces Housing from 1995-1999 in country.

So I am going to say, Your daddy Clinton was.

SHACK!!!!

GAME, SET, MATCH!!!!!! CAN YOU FEEL THAT!!!!!!

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

Prove it.  I have a fish

Prove it. 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

WHY. lil awol and hallicheney have made their buddies

rich beyond their wildest dreams.....why not lie and dishonestly state the "surge" is a success....like a rooster who credits the sunrise with his crowing.....but lil awol won't withdraw the troops.......the situation is too delicate.......gen. Odierno is worried abut backsliding.....yeah the surge is a great success.......but the troops will stay.......a long.....long ....time.

Professor I see you brought a buddy

Is this how your going to back your unfactual rants Prof...

Seems cut and paste WHY could find a fact if it hit em in the head.

To my friend Blonde I agree, We a higher class of Troll.

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

OMG Airforce !!

Check out the message I just posted at the "Stunning! NYT Exposed... " blog! I just paid the same tribute to Blonde :)

 

The New York Times. Great for laying down on the floor when painting your room.

Mr Shy, is your evidence created from thin air??

Or, from staring into your thongs until you see the light? Think on it, son.

Prof

better than where you are pulling your's lately..

Old buddy, old pal, old friend....... 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF,Our "secret agent" may

AF,

Our "agent" may have cut and pasted it, but someone typed it originally. Whoever typed it, it still was a waste of finger movement.

AF, you accuse me of nonfactual rants...

like the no cause -effect connection between Iraqnam and my freedom at home.......factually wrong....without any evidence ......jbeing a rwer means....."proving" without evidence.....too funny.......rwer "proof" =assertions with no evidence.........Too effin funny!

PMSL

Man TP&C is on fire tonight.

I remember that whole conversation about how WW2 made Americans more free...because it closed the gap between rich and poor!

Not that it stopped the Nazis from attacking. Not that it solidified our place in international law. Not that it ended Japan's war in the Pacific.

No no, in his world we were safer because we had more money. Meanwhile, FDR was chumming up with "Uncle Joe" Stalin and leading us smack into a Soviet spy ring.

Hey Prof

what's...with...all...the...spaces...in...between...your...words....get a finger stuck in the bong hole?  hard to type???

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF, it's a way for you synapse challenged folks.....

to keep up.....with fast thinking ........critically thinking......evidence based.......world....of which all of you rwers.......seemed so deprived of.

.........look...........how..

.........look...........how........smart.........and.......pretentious...........I.........can........be........

PD, you have learned........ something....new!

good for you!

I guess it works better

I guess it works better under a strobe light or a black light and velvet?

Nope...It...dosen't...work.

You typing from the basement in mom's house or out in the old micro bus with the peace sign on the side tonight?

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

AF, when you make your points, try to be

accurate! OK? So far, I'm a Muslim plant who's working in my mom's house or an old micro bus with a peace sign. Your aim is off a bit, AF! Good night, AF. I have to get up early and fill young, impressionable minds with leftwing propaganda. Wish me luck!

"I have to get up early and

"I have to get up early and fill young, impressionable minds with leftwing propaganda. Wish me luck!"

At least you admit it, I'll give you that.

Hell, if he did it under an actually-capitalist system

(Meaning 0 public schools) I'd be FOR it. Parents who choose leftwing or rightwing propaganda for their kids should be free to make that choice, while leaving innocent taxpayers the hell alone. Of course, a capitalist system would probably also accomodate those of us who think the left and the right are occasionally foolish, unlike socialist schools.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

color me confused

If TP&C....is that much more intelligent...than we are....why does...he use...such poor grammar?

Please don't...claim intellectual superiority...via disjointed phrases...and bizarre conclusions (is ZZ Top the Taliban?)...unless you...can bring it...in your syntax.

I have no problem...with incorrect grammar on a website...but I do resent...an air of superiority...from a man...who cannot keep his syntax straight.

candance

HA!

:)

Man, we're turning NB into The Late Night Comedy Website

("Brought to you byyyyyy.... Cheetos!! That crunchy, sticky, orange snack that goes well with NB's orange-colored site, for all you whacky talking-point-regurgitating weenie libtards!")

("Proper syntax not included...")

 

"Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? Think on it, son."

-- Professor TP&C (Talking Points & Cheetos)

if you ever get bored

You can check out a site like this or maybe a site like this. Believe it or not, I have sites like those saved on my browser since it's how I make my living.

When the grammar on here is clean, then we can start eliminating all those pesky cliches.

:p

candance, I admit that I've made syntax errors.

I never realized that debates and persuasion were discredited by poor syntax. I'm sure you'll use a similiar line of reasoning when judging the Liar in Chief. So, just to be consistent with this view of yours, I'd like to hear your comments and criticisms on the syntax usage of our malignant dictator.

"I'd like to hear your

"I'd like to hear your comments and criticisms on the syntax usage of our malignant dictator."

Hell, just as soon as we get a "malignant dictator", I'll give it a shot. Why the hostility though? I thought you guys loved dictators?

um, okay, you missed my point, but whatever....

I've said many times on here before that nearly everyone (including Bush) uses improper grammar from time to time. Even the great Rush Limbaugh uses improper grammar.

That was never my point. I said I resent people who act like they are smarter than me yet resort to...childish typing...with sentence fragments...and strange jargon (rwers)....replete with incorrect grammar.

State your case through compelling assertions, a simple format, and effective vocabulary without pretention.

Since you are a high school teacher, I'd have thought that would be standard practice. Why do feel like I'm talking to a teenager? 

Question

If this war is going so badly, then why have no major logistical centers we have in Iraq been completely overrun? 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Unsane...

That's easy... the Iraqis have lousy maps ;-) 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson

This isn't a war. It's an occupation. Insurgents may consider

victory as a stalemate. I don't recall vietcong victories in Vietnam, yet we were forced to leave eventually. The war is illegal and is dividing the country so the question of logistical centers doesn't seem too important to the insurgents.

Hello Talking Point

I see you're still stuck on the same old "Talking Points", son. 

Vietnam equals Iraq.

Don't bother replying...I'm logging off.  Night.

Troll on, though.

It continues to amuse. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

It is -- sorry, WAS -- a

It is -- sorry, WAS -- a war (since we've just about completed our noble mission.)

The war is/was not illegal.

We are not dividing the country at all. Iraqi's are truly grateful to us for lifting them from under a brutal, sick tyrant, helping to set up a lawful government and constitution, helping them rebuild communities and schools, etc..

It's unbelievably amazing what we're doing over there, you Cheetos-eating talking point.

 

"Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? Think on it, son."

-- Professor TP&C (Talking Points & Cheetos)

Mr Shy, as a bushbot 30%er, you can show me the

specific language in the UN charter that allowed the invasion to be claimed as legal??? The Iraqis are grateful for our occupation????That's interesting, because I've recently read in the past month that a majority of them feel attacks on US soldiers are justified...but, ....the Iraqis are grateful. 4 million grateful refugees.....now I know where Jerry Garcia got his idea for the name of his band!!

You still miss the point. 

You still miss the point.  The UN is not the sovereign government of the United States of America.

That you believe otherwise identifies you as an enemy of the United States.

And how is a war declared

And how is a war declared by Congress "illegal"?

Have you ever read the Constitution?  One of the very few powers the Congress is actually granted by the Constitution is the power to declare war.  to. wit:

"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

People like YOU are dividing the country.  They do so by spreading lies like your statement above.  They do so by dissembling about exactly who the enemy is and what that enemy's aims are.  So we have a "War on Terror".  What we are really fighting is the Third Jihad against the spread of militant Islam, but because of clobberheads like you we can't say that openly for fear of being politically incorrect.   The people NEED to understand who this enemy is and what their history is just like they needed to understand who the Nazis were and what their history was. 

NL207

Thank you! I couldn't have said it better myself.

I couldn't have said it nearly as good as you did, in fact :)

 

"Are ZZ TOP part of the Taliban?? Think on it, son."

-- Professor TP&C (Talking Points & Cheetos)

Go read the UN charter which describes the only two conditions

allowable for a just war. One is self defense. No one can claim this war was for self defense. The other was through a unanimous security council resolution which wasn't voted on. We are a signatory to the charter, and the constitution explicitly states that treaties signed by the US become part of US law. The war is a violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW. Show me the specific terms in the UN charter that allow for an aggressive war and this will be my final post. YOU CAN'T ! Our aggressive wars have only radicalized more people. If you kill a 1000 and radicalize 10 thousand, your anti -terrorism measures are stupid and counterproductive. But, this isn't about terrorism at all. It's about robbing the public blind with useless anti terror programs that give hundreds of billions of dollars to private companies from my taxes.

 

The last time I looked, The

The last time I looked, The UN was not the legitimate government of this country.  The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land here.  The UN does not govern the United States of America.

The UN?  Its "rules" mean nothing.  It is one of the largest criminal enterprises in the world.  Its bureaucratic leadership is among the most corrupt anywhere.  Its legitimacy as a governing body is nil.  It is not a sovereign state.  It has no authority over any sovereign state.  It does not dictate the rules of war.

Are you truly so naive as to believe these people who oppose our policy against radical Islam were ever anything but enemies?  All this conflict has served to do is draw these people out into the open.  They were our enemies in their hearts all along. 

The opportunity now exists to defeat them.  This will bring peace for at least a generation.  No amount of negotiation with religious fanatics will ever produce peace.  The opportunity also exists to be defeated by them.  This appears to be the option you are choosing.  Defeat by Islam is not a pleasant thing.  Study the history of places they have invaded and conquered.  It is not a pretty tale for the peoples who were subjugated.

Leave logistice to the grownups

The war is illegal - Well, unfortunately for you...it is QUITE legal.  And even IF it was...which it wasn't, according to the 1991 ceasefire ALONE - as Pascal said, "Law, without force, is impotent."  Seeing how much you HATE the use of force - all you are left with are temper tantrums and screaming.  You know, the only things you are good at.

dividing the country  Only because of whiny crybabies like you.  Even in blue-state America, I get total strangers thanking me for my service to the country when they find out I am in the service(which, believe it or not, I cringe at,  Why?  Because I am filling a need.  If not me, who?  You? Ha!)

so the question of logistical centers doesn't seem too important to the insurgents.  Do me a favor.  Whenever the topic of military operations comes up, just shut up and leave it to the adults and those of us who know what we are talking about.  The logistical centers in Iraq, as in any other military operation, allow for our forces to be properly sustained in the theater of operations.  Without proper logistics, armies wither and turn to nothing.  Ask Napoleon, or Hitler, who had shoddy logistical systems in place for their forces.  If the war is going SO BADLY in Iraq, then our logistical centers should be getting overrun, leading to absolute military catastrophe.  Yet, for some reason, the logistical centers are doing just fine, and our forces are well sustained.  Why is this if things are going SO BADLY?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Tonight, Ladies and

Tonight, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the double tag team of a Secret Agent and The Professor! They'll both be here, for a limited time only, covering these pages, with their wall paper of goofy comments! Let's see what fun ensues!

Chris, I ALWAYS enjoy blogging at NB!

Your challenge tonight is to present evidence other than the usual....rightwing dogma......that talks about freedom.....sacrifice....patriotism.....values......and does none of this.

Your challenge is to demonstrate to me a case where rightwing policies DO NOT bring INCREASED MISERY, SUFFERING, and DEATH! Show me that the Iraq war has not produced increased misery, suffering and death for both Iraqis and Americans. Good Luck!

"Show me that the Iraq war

"Show me that the Iraq war has not produced increased misery, blah, blah, blah"

Actually, I'd like to show you the door.

Chris, I take your response to mean,,,

I have no answer to refute your assertion, prof....so I'll just insult.....smear....insult.....smear....can't answer PT....so I'll insult and smear.....insult and smear.......etc...etc...Think on it, Chris.

Irony

This whine from a poster who cannot think for himself, and spends most of his time insulting and smearing the military and anyone who doesn't agree with his Communist views. 

Contradictions collapse. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Like the rwer you are, unsane, make a false assertion without

evidence. In your mind, a communist must be one who calls an illegal war based on the UN charter just that. In your puny mind, I guess one who is not a full fledged free market disaster capitalist must be a communist. There are only extreme positions in the mind of a fascistic thinker. Think on it, son.

"In your mind, a communist

"In your mind, a communist must be one who calls an illegal war based on the UN charter just that."

No, those who make that argument are simply wrong, or a liar. Only you know which is the right answer in your case.

You're a communist because you're a communist. Not sure why you won't admit it. Be proud of who you are.

Whiny Профессор

Reciprocity.  You SCREAM and SCREAM and SCREAM that I am a "fascist", yet you cannot take it when it is dished right back at you.  I have more evidence that you are a Communist (or at the very least a Socialist) than you have of anything...at all...on me.

You lost the right to bitch about "false assertions" almost from the word go.  Don't come looking to me for sympathy, sweetie. 

 In your puny mind, "WAAAAAHHH!!!! STOP AD HOMMING ME UNSANE!!!"   WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess one who is not a full fledged free market disaster capitalist must be a communist.  In your puny mind, Ayn Rand must be only second place to Bush as being the epitome of evil.  Personally, I'd love to see you take a crack at Atlas Shrugged.  You won't make a hundred pages through that book without having a massive stroke.  I would have suggested We The Living, but you'd identify too much with those characters like Виктор Дунаев and Товариш Соня. 

I indeed want a full fledged free market.  I don't have as much hatred of mankind as you do, seeing as you want everyone on earth to be as equally miserable and hateful as you (the outcome of Socialism). 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Ain't it hilarious that he

Ain't it hilarious that he keeps calling people 'son' when the only immature child here is...him! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson

War is a terrible option. 

War is a terrible option.  I think slavery is a bit worse, though, dontcha think?  But then, I'm just a dumb ground pounder who obviously needs to be mentored by an intelligent fellow such as yourself.

Oh, and YOUR CHALLENGE

Oh, and YOUR CHALLENGE tonight is to show us how left wing policies don't put chains on us and cause the wholesale slaughter of 110,000,000 people when tried over a 70-year period.

My evidence is Sweden and Denmark and Finland.

They have social democracies , along with a better overall quality of life than the US. People aren't a major surgery away from bankrupcy and stricter regulations by government protects people against the kind of crony capitalism which let criminal corporations like Enron ply their trade with lil awol's blessings. I think chains are put on people when they can't afford to provide good healthcare, education and jobs to people as they spend a few trillion dollars on the death and suffering war machine. Funny, all that money spent on the most sophisiticated weaponry, and you whiny rwers are as terrified as ever. Lil awol is still America's greatest disaster.

"and stricter regulations

"and stricter regulations by government protects people against the kind
of crony capitalism which let criminal corporations like Enron ply
their trade with lil awol's blessings."

You mean like Enron's involvement in getting the globull warming myth going? Oh, nice revisionist history by the way. Enron's dirty doings were happening when President Blue Dress was in office. If I'm not mistaken, they were caught during the current administration. Nice try though.

Funny, I recall a company that bought politicians

REGARDLESS of party affiliation. And (perhaps because we have a weak & corruptable 2-party duopoly, instead of true idea-capitalism as regards politics) "the Crooked E" had an easy time of it, too.

Think about it this way. If only Burger King & McDonalds were allowed to sell hamburgers under intense government regulations, we'd probably see similar political-corruption problems in the hamburger business and in the politicians regulating them.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

I have no doubt Enron paid

I have no doubt Enron paid both sides. But the fact remains, the bulk of their fraud, or whatever you want to call it, occured on Bill's watch, not George's, as professor doof implied. In fact, the SEC investigation began under George, not long after he came into office, which contradicts the prof's statement that Bush turned a blind eye.

 

Rant

 They have social democracies , along with a better overall quality of life than the US.  ALL of them traded risk taking, progressing, and rugged individualism for being coddled, babied, and completely pampered by the Nanny State.  As such, they have been sapped of ALL ambition, all incentive to improve their lives (and by extension, the world around them).  And as such, they will ossify and fade into nothingness, without impacting the world...at all. 

All three of the nations you SO LOVE Are All Going Nowhere. 

People aren't a major surgery away from bankrupcy and stricter regulations by government protects people against the kind of crony capitalism which let criminal corporations like Enron ply their trade with lil awol's blessings.  If people like you want to f$#k off and piss away your earnings, you shouldn't come running to me to pay off things you should have planned for.  Lack of preparedness on your part does not give you the right to steal from others.  What's next? Do I next get to pay for your groceries?  And for some reason, even leaders in these Socialist nations come HERE for their medical treatment...because the medical care and know-how in their countries pales in comparison to here.  I'd be willing to bet that more money is spent on medical research in the city of Houston than in ALL of your beloved "Going Nowhere" states.    I think chains are put on people when they can't afford to provide good healthcare, education and jobs to people as they spend a few trillion dollars on the death and suffering war machine.  This country is NOT your PERSONAL PAMPERING AGENCY.  It is not your CHARITY.  What do you do after taking a dump in the morning?  SCREAM AND SCREAM AND SCREAM AND SCREAM for the Nanny to come wipe you? 

NO ONE DESERVES...ANYTHING.  Not even life.  \

We have GREAT health care...but not because crybabies like you want to STEAL from people. You have to go out and GET it like anyone else.  By the way...go to ANY HOSPITAL in the country, and show me where people are turned away because they can't afford it.  Hint: YOU CAN'T. 

Universal health care violates a very simple principle: "There is no such thing as a free lunch."  It will merely delude people into thinking there is one.  To illustrate: why are we all striving to drive less right about now?  Because the price of gasoline is rather high right now.  If the government subsidized the price so that it always cost, say, 25 cents a gallon, would you be so keen on restricting your driving?  No, because there would be no incentive to.  But in the meantime, the cost to the government of the subsidy would continually shoot through the roof, causing them to spend more and more money to keep the price at 25 cents.The same thing will happen when you remove the price mechanism from health care, which universal health care plans seek to do. 

Right now people don't visit the doctor nearly as often for things they can easily treat at home, because who wants to spend the money on something they can easily take care of themselves?  Once the price mechanism is removed, because health care is "free" at that point, people will hit the emergency room for paper cuts.  This is human nature, and indeed happened (and is happening) in nations with "universal health coverage". 

 The idea of universal health care is indeed a good idea - on paper only.  In practice it is a raging disaster that governments are loathe to get rid of because the electorate will scream at the proposal to re-introduce economic realities (i.e., prices) to the system.  (And if you think the debt is bad now, just wait until the government nationalizes health care.  France and Germany cannot meet the strictures of the Growth and Stability Pact they signed to join the euro; in fact, I don't think they've done it a single time!  This due to the deficits they run to fund their nanny states, to include health care.) 

Take a look at this passage from The Struggle For Europe (pages 55-56) on the mess Britain created for itself by giving away the store.  The book is authored by William I. Hitchcock: “Alongside his heavy responsibilities for housing, (Ernest) Bevan also crafted the centerpiece of the Labour government’s social policy: the National Health Service.  The Churchill coalition, in 1944, proposed a National Health Service based on the twin principles that every citizen in the country had a right to the best medical facilities available and that these services should be free.  Bevan started by proposing the nationalization of all hospitals, which gave the government total control over the system and brought them into one unified structure.  The real problem was with the doctors and their lobbying arm, the British Medical Association.  They feared a loss of autonomy, a weakened relationship with patients, and of course, the inability to charge fees to paying customers who wished to have special treatment.  Bevan wisely decided to give the BMA what it demanded, but not before a great deal of invective from the doctors, who accused Bevan of seeking dictatorial control over the profession. 

 “Bevan took immense pride in the fact that ‘despite our financial and economic anxieties, we are still able to do the most civilized thing in the world – put the welfare of the sick in front of every other consideration’.  These were noble words, but very quickly it became clear the government underestimated the cost of the NHS.  Bevan assumed that free health care would mean a healthier public, and therefore fewer trips to the doctor.  He did not consider the natural human impulse to take full advantage of a free service. (Italics courtesy of Unsane) Consider the testimony of Mrs. Claire Bond of Leeds, recorded by the historian Paul Addison: “When the National Health Service came along, it was fantastic.  My mother and dad had been having problems with their teeth for ages, and I think they were the first at the dentist, as soon as it was opened, they were there for an appointment.  And instead of having just a few teeth out, they had the complete set out.  And free dentures.”  They were not alone.  In the first year of operation, eight and a half million people sought free dental treatment, and over 5 million pairs of free spectacles were dispensed.  Doctors wrote 187 million prescriptions in the first year alone.  Overnight, the NHS overran its budget by more than 50 million pounds.  By 1951 it cost more than 400 million pounds a year to run.  The chancellor of the Exchequer, then Hugh Gaitskill, insisted that a small charge be imposed on prescriptions for teeth and glasses; Bevan refused, saying it would undermine the principle of free service that lay at the heart of his Health Service.  On 23 April 1951, Bevan resigned in protest.”   

Another thing to bear in mind is that one of the biggest motivating factors to a Canadian is to be different from the Americans, for their biggest fear is being like their neighbors to the south.  Canada owes its existence to the Declaration of Independence as much as we do, for they represent the reaction against it.I would be willing to bet that one of the reasons they love their health care system so much is that Americans do not have such a program.  (And if we adopt such a system, they will say with much snootiness that they inspired the Americans into getting such a system.)  But in reality, their socialistic approaches to many problems is only hurting them.  While the Canadian economy has expanded, it has not expanded NEARLY as fast as the U.S. economy.  And the Canadian economy has expanded due to their blessings of natural resources, not due to what even the governments prefer the driving engine to be - namely, manufacturing and industrial activity.  The gap between the U.S. and Canada continues to grow and expand, in the U.S.'s favor.  The Economist reports in their survey of Canada published in December 2005 that Americans made C$1800 more per person than Canadians back in 1981; but in 2003, this gap widened to C$7200.  The British publication further reports that Canadians are happy to be poorer if it means keeping their social model, for they see it is better than the heartless version of capitalism to the south.  I contend again that this points to the issue of national identity that Canadians continually struggle with.

As for education: you are living proof that we spend WAY too much money on education.  I never vote for school district bond issues, and many thanks to you for confirming WHY.  We need to de-fund education, because the more we spend on it, the worse it becomes!  If educational woes were solved by money...please explain why DC and NJ aren't cranking out vast armies of Mozarts, Shakespeares, Baarnards, and Einsteins? 

Jobs?  They can't get them in your precious Going Nowhere nations.  If they can't find a job working for the government or the major firms, they cannot start up anything on their own, due to giant disincentives to do so.  No one in those nations can trail blaze and thus bring more people along for the ride.  And they have no incentive to, as they are CODDLED, PAMPERED, and BABIED, just like you want to be. 

And your precious Going Nowhere nations wouldn't have one damn thing if it weren't for my country's armed forces threatening to rain ruin upon the neighboring Evil Empire if they made even a false move.  ALL of them would be speaking По-Русский if not for that "war machine" threatening hell, fire and chaos against those who would enslave whiners like YOU!

Lil awol is still America's greatest disaster.  The only reason you hate him is because he hasn't made the government your PERSONAL PAMPERING AGENCY.  You cannot breathe without a government hack telling you when and how.  You are a pathetic, helpless, hate-filled creature who needs endless professional help. 

Finally, if this nation is the locus of ALL EVIL...THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?  Go to Helsinki, or Stockholm, or Oslo.  They desperately need your tax money anyways.  They will be HAPPY to take you.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

So professor.... Our

So professor.... Our incredibly brave and selfless soldiers are laying down their lives to PROTECT Iraqi citizens, and you think THEY are the ones bringing increased misery, suffering, and death to Iraqi citizens?? It's not the thousands of dung bag terrorists who are TARGETING women and children, that are causing suffering and death???   Nice...

How about you show me some example where leftwing policies don't lead to chaos, anarchy, elitism, perversion, and irresponsibility.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Jerry, the soldiers volunteered. Considering the war

has produced over a million casualties and 4 million refugees, our presence has been a total disaster, which all reasonable folks agree on. Where were all those terrorists before the invasion? The name of the invasion,"shock and Awe", sounds a bit like the kind of name a terrorist organization would use. I can only speak for the leftwing policies in this country, which have brought people abolition of slavery, minimum wage, the 8 hour day, worker protections, public works projects like dams, pensions, medicare, women's suffrage, abolition of Jim Crow laws, food and product regulations which protect consumers, environmental protections, national parks which have been preserved, public health, libraries, and public education just to name some of the leftwing policies that I think have dramatically improved people's lives.

And what have...

the evveeel Republicans given us......

The Republican Party was formed in 1854 specifically to oppose the Democrats, and for more than 150 years, they have done everything they could to block the Democrat agenda. In their abuses of power, they have even used threats and military violence to thwart the Democrat Party’s attempts to make this a progressive country. As you read the following Republican atrocities that span three centuries, imagine if you will, what a far different nation the United States would be had not the Republicans been around to block the Democrats’ efforts.

March 20, 1854 Opponents of Democrats’ pro-slavery policies meet in Ripon, Wisconsin to establish the Republican Party

May 30, 1854 Democrat President Franklin Pierce signs Democrats’ Kansas-Nebraska Act, expanding slavery into U.S. territories; opponents unite to form the Republican Party

June 16, 1854 Newspaper editor Horace Greeley calls on opponents of slavery to unite in the Republican Party

July 6, 1854 First state Republican Party officially organized in Jackson, Michigan, to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

February 11, 1856 Republican Montgomery Blair argues before U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of his client, the slave Dred Scott; later served in President Lincoln’s Cabinet

February 22, 1856 First national meeting of the Republican Party, in Pittsburgh, to coordinate opposition to Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

March 27, 1856 First meeting of Republican National Committee in Washington, DC to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

May 22, 1856 For denouncing Democrats’ pro-slavery policy, Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) is beaten nearly to death on floor of Senate by U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks (D-SC), takes three years to recover

March 6, 1857 Republican Supreme Court Justice John McLean issues strenuous dissent from decision by 7 Democrats in infamous Dred Scott case that African-Americans had no rights “which any white man was bound to respect”

June 26, 1857 Abraham Lincoln declares Republican position that slavery is “cruelly wrong,” while Democrats “cultivate and excite hatred” for blacks

October 13, 1858 During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

October 25, 1858 U.S. Senator William Seward (R-NY) describes Democratic Party as “inextricably committed to the designs of the slaveholders”; as President Abraham Lincoln’s Secretary of State, helped draft Emancipation Proclamation

June 4, 1860 Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) delivers his classic address, The Barbarism of Slavery

April 7, 1862 President Lincoln concludes treaty with Britain for suppression of slave trade

April 16, 1862 President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no

July 2, 1862 U.S. Rep. Justin Morrill (R-VT) wins passage of Land Grant Act, establishing colleges open to African-Americans, including such students as George Washington Carver

July 17, 1862 Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

August 19, 1862 Republican newspaper editor Horace Greeley writes Prayer of Twenty Millions, calling on President Lincoln to declare emancipation

August 25, 1862 President Abraham Lincoln authorizes enlistment of African-American soldiers in U.S. Army

September 22, 1862 Republican President Abraham Lincoln issues Emancipation Proclamation

January 1, 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, implementing the Republicans’ Confiscation Act of 1862, takes effect

February 9, 1864 Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton deliver over 100,000 signatures to U.S. Senate supporting Republicans’ plans for constitutional amendment to ban slavery

June 15, 1864 Republican Congress votes equal pay for African-American troops serving in U.S. Army during Civil War

June 28, 1864 Republican majority in Congress repeals Fugitive Slave Acts

October 29, 1864 African-American abolitionist Sojourner Truth says of President Lincoln: “I never was treated by anyone with more kindness and cordiality than were shown to me by that great and good man”

January 31, 1865 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

March 3, 1865 Republican Congress establishes Freedmen’s Bureau to provide health care, education, and technical assistance to emancipated slaves

April 8, 1865 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

June 19, 1865 On “Juneteenth,” U.S. troops land in Galveston, TX to enforce ban on slavery that had been declared more than two years before by the Emancipation Proclamation

November 22, 1865 Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

December 6, 1865 Republican Party’s 13th Amendment, banning slavery, is ratified

February 5, 1866 U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves

April 9, 1866 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law

April 19, 1866 Thousands assemble in Washington, DC to celebrate Republican Party’s abolition of slavery

May 10, 1866 U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no

June 8, 1866 U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no

July 16, 1866 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of Freedman's Bureau Act, which protected former slaves from “black codes” denying their rights

July 28, 1866 Republican Congress authorizes formation of the Buffalo Soldiers, two regiments of African-American cavalrymen

July 30, 1866 Democrat-controlled City of New Orleans orders police to storm racially-integrated Republican meeting; raid kills 40 and wounds more than 150

January 8, 1867 Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

July 19, 1867 Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans

March 30, 1868 Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”

May 20, 1868 Republican National Convention marks debut of African-American politicians on national stage; two – Pinckney Pinchback and James Harris – attend as delegates, and several serve as presidential electors

September 3, 1868 25 African-Americans in Georgia legislature, all Republicans, expelled by Democrat majority; later reinstated by Republican Congress

September 12, 1868 Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and all other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress

September 28, 1868 Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana murder nearly 300 African-Americans who tried to prevent an assault against a Republican newspaper editor

October 7, 1868 Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”

October 22, 1868 While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan

November 3, 1868 Republican Ulysses Grant defeats Democrat Horatio Seymour in presidential election; Seymour had denounced Emancipation Proclamation

December 10, 1869 Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office

February 3, 1870 After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race

May 19, 1870 African-American John Langston, law professor and future Republican Congressman from Virginia, delivers influential speech supporting President Ulysses Grant’s civil rights policies

May 31, 1870 President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights

June 22, 1870 Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South

September 6, 1870 Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell

February 28, 1871 Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters

March 22, 1871 Spartansburg Republican newspaper denounces Ku Klux Klan campaign to eradicate the Republican Party in South Carolina

April 20, 1871 Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

October 10, 1871 Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands

October 18, 1871 After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan

November 18, 1872 Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”

January 17, 1874 Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government

September 14, 1874 Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed

March 1, 1875 Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition

September 20, 1876 Former state Attorney General Robert Ingersoll (R-IL) tells veterans: “Every man that loved slavery better than liberty was a Democrat… I am a Republican because it is the only free party that ever existed”

January 10, 1878 U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919

July 14, 1884 Republicans criticize Democratic Party’s nomination of racist U.S. Senator Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) for vice president; he had voted against the 13th Amendment banning slavery

August 30, 1890 Republican President Benjamin Harrison signs legislation by U.S. Senator Justin Morrill (R-VT) making African-Americans eligible for land-grant colleges in the South

June 7, 1892 In a FIRST for a major U.S. political party, two women – Theresa Jenkins and Cora Carleton – attend Republican National Convention in an official capacity, as alternate delegates

February 8, 1894 Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote

December 11, 1895 African-American Republican and former U.S. Rep. Thomas Miller (R-SC) denounces new state constitution written to disenfranchise African-Americans

May 18, 1896 Republican Justice John Marshall Harlan, dissenting from Supreme Court’s notorious Plessy v. Ferguson “separate but equal” decision, declares: “Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens”

December 31, 1898 Republican Theodore Roosevelt becomes Governor of New York; in 1900, he outlawed racial segregation in New York public schools

May 24, 1900 Republicans vote no in referendum for constitutional convention in Virginia, designed to create a new state constitution disenfranchising African-Americans

January 15, 1901 Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans

October 16, 1901 President Theodore Roosevelt invites Booker T. Washington to dine at White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

May 29, 1902 Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%

February 12, 1909 On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP

June 18, 1912 African-American Robert Church, founder of Lincoln Leagues to register black voters in Tennessee, attends 1912 Republican National Convention as delegate; eventually serves as delegate at 8 conventions

August 1, 1916 Republican presidential candidate Charles Evans Hughes, former New York Governor and U.S. Supreme Court Justice, endorses women’s suffrage constitutional amendment; he would become Secretary of State and Chief Justice

May 21, 1919 Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no

April 18, 1920 Minnesota’s FIRST-in-the-nation anti-lynching law, promoted by African-American Republican Nellie Francis, signed by Republican Gov. Jacob Preus

August 18, 1920 Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures

January 26, 1922 House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster

June 2, 1924 Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans

October 3, 1924 Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention

December 8, 1924 Democratic presidential candidate John W. Davis argues in favor of “separate but equal”

June 12, 1929 First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

August 17, 1937 Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation

June 24, 1940 Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it

October 20, 1942 60 prominent African-Americans issue Durham Manifesto, calling on southern Democrats to abolish their all-white primaries

April 3, 1944 U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Texas Democratic Party’s “whites only” primary election system

February 18, 1946 Appointed by Republican President Calvin Coolidge, federal judge Paul McCormick ends segregation of Mexican-American children in California public schools

July 11, 1952 Republican Party platform condemns “duplicity and insincerity” of Democrats in racial matters

September 30, 1953 Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education

December 8, 1953 Eisenhower administration Asst. Attorney General Lee Rankin argues for plaintiffs in Brown v. Board of Education

May 17, 1954 Chief Justice Earl Warren, three-term Republican Governor (CA) and Republican vice presidential nominee in 1948, wins unanimous support of Supreme Court for school desegregation in Brown v. Board of Education

November 25, 1955 Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel

March 12, 1956 Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

June 5, 1956 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

October 19, 1956 On campaign trail, Vice President Richard Nixon vows: “American boys and girls shall sit, side by side, at any school – public or private – with no regard paid to the color of their skin. Segregation, discrimination, and prejudice have no place in America”

November 6, 1956 African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

September 9, 1957 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

September 24, 1957 Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

June 23, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower meets with Martin Luther King and other African-American leaders to discuss plans to advance civil rights

February 4, 1959 President Eisenhower informs Republican leaders of his plan to introduce 1960 Civil Rights Act, despite staunch opposition from many Democrats

May 6, 1960 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

July 27, 1960 At Republican National Convention, Vice President and eventual presidential nominee Richard Nixon insists on strong civil rights plank in platform

May 2, 1963 Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

June 1, 1963 Democrat Governor George Wallace announces defiance of court order issued by Republican federal judge Frank Johnson to integrate University of Alabama

September 29, 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

June 9, 1964 Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

June 10, 1964 Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirkson, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

June 20, 1964 The Chicago Defender, renowned African-American newspaper, praises Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) for leading passage of 1964 Civil Rights Act

March 7, 1965 Police under the command of Democrat Governor George Wallace attack African-Americans demonstrating for voting rights in Selma, AL

March 21, 1965 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson authorizes Martin Luther King’s protest march from Selma to Montgomery, overruling Democrat Governor George Wallace

August 4, 1965 Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose

August 6, 1965 Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor

July 8, 1970 In special message to Congress, President Richard Nixon calls for reversal of policy of forced termination of Native American rights and benefits

September 17, 1971 Former Ku Klux Klan member and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black (D-AL) retires from U.S. Supreme Court; appointed by FDR in 1937, he had defended Klansmen for racial murders

February 19, 1976 President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII

September 15, 1981 President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs

June 29, 1982 President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act

August 10, 1988 President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR

November 21, 1991 President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation

August 20, 1996 Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law

April 26, 1999 Legislation authored by U.S. Senator Spencer Abraham (R-MI) awarding Congressional Gold Medal to civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks is transmitted to President

January 25, 2001 U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee declares school choice to be “Educational Emancipation”

March 19, 2003 Republican U.S. Representatives of Hispanic and Portuguese descent form Congressional Hispanic Conference

May 23, 2003 U.S. Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) introduces bill to establish National Museum of African American History and Culture

February 26, 2004 Hispanic Republican U.S. Rep. Henry Bonilla (R-TX) condemns racist comments by U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL); she had called Asst. Secretary of State Roger Noriega and several Hispanic Congressmen “a bunch of white men...you all look alike to me”

National Voting Rights Act of 1965 signed for a 25 year extension by President George W. Bush on July 27, 2006.

Republicans also have supported legislation favorable to blacks, often against intense Democratic headwinds:

In 1865, Congressional Republicans unanimously backed the 13th Amendment, which made slavery unconstitutional. Among Democrats, 63 percent of senators and 78 percent of House members voted: "No."

In 1866, 94 percent of GOP senators and 96 percent of GOP House members approved the 14th Amendment, guaranteeing all Americans equal protection of the law. Every congressional Democrat voted: "No."

February 28, 1871: The GOP Congress passed the Enforcement Act, giving black voters federal protection.

February 8, 1894: Democratic President Grover Cleveland and a Democratic Congress repealed the GOP's Enforcement Act, denying black voters federal protection.

January 26, 1922: The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer's (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure.

May 17, 1954: As chief justice, former three-term governor Earl Warren (R., Calif.) led the U.S. Supreme Court's desegregation of government schools via the landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision. GOP President Dwight Eisenhower's Justice department argued for Topeka, Kansas's black school children. Democrat John W. Davis, who lost a presidential bid to incumbent Republican Calvin Coolidge in 1924, defended "separate but equal" classrooms.

September 24, 1957: Eisenhower deployed the 82nd Airborne Division to desegregate Little Rock's government schools over the strenuous resistance of Governor Orval Faubus (D., Ark.).

May 6, 1960: Eisenhower signs the GOP's 1960 Civil Rights Act after it survived a five-day, five-hour filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats.

July 2, 1964: Democratic President Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act after former Klansman Robert Byrd's 14-hour filibuster and the votes of 22 other Senate Democrats (including Tennessee's Al Gore, Sr.) failed to scuttle the measure. Illinois Republican Everett Dirksen rallied 26 GOP senators and 44 Democrats to invoke cloture and allow the bill's passage. According to John Fonte in the January 9, 2003, National Review, 82 percent of Republicans so voted, versus only 66 percent of Democrats.

True, Senator Barry Goldwater (R., Ariz.) opposed this bill the very year he became the GOP's presidential standard-bearer. However, Goldwater supported the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts and called for integrating Arizona's National Guard two years before Truman desegregated the military. Goldwater feared the 1964 Act would limit freedom of association in the private sector, a controversial but principled libertarian objection rooted in the First Amendment rather than racial hatred.

June 29, 1982: President Ronald Reagan signed a 25-year extension of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The Republican party also is the home of numerous "firsts." Among them:

Until 1935, every black federal legislator was Republican. America's first black U.S. Representative, South Carolina's Joseph Rainey, and our first black senator, Mississippi's Hiram Revels, both reached Capitol Hill in 1870. On December 9, 1872, Louisiana Republican Pinckney Benton Stewart "P.B.S." Pinchback became America's first black governor.

August 8, 1878: GOP supply-siders may hate to admit it, but America's first black Collector of Internal Revenue was former U.S. Rep. James Rapier (R., Ala.).

October 16, 1901: GOP President Theodore Roosevelt invited to the White House as its first black dinner guest Republican educator Booker T. Washington. The pro-Democrat Richmond Times newspaper warned that consequently, "White women may receive attentions from Negro men." As Toni Marshall wrote in the November 9, 1995, Washington Times, when Roosevelt sought reelection in 1904, Democrats produced a button that showed their presidential nominee, Alton Parker, beside a white couple while Roosevelt posed with a white bride and black groom. The button read: "The Choice Is Yours."

GOP presidents Gerald Ford in 1975 and Ronald Reagan in 1982 promoted Daniel James and Roscoe Robinson to become, respectively, the Air Force's and Army's first black four-star generals.

November 2, 1983: President Reagan established Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as a national holiday, the first such honor for a black American.

President Reagan named Colin Powell America's first black national-security adviser while GOP President George W. Bush appointed him our first black secretary of state.

President G.W. Bush named Condoleezza Rice America's first black female NSC chief, then our second (consecutive) black secretary of State. Just last month, one-time Klansman Robert Byrd and other Senate Democrats stalled Rice's confirmation for a week. Amid unanimous GOP support, 12 Democrats and Vermont Independent James Jeffords opposed Rice — the most "No" votes for a State designee since 14 senators frowned on Henry Clay in 1825.

"The first Republican I knew was my father, and he is still the Republican I most admire," Rice has said. "He joined our party because the Democrats in Jim Crow Alabama of 1952 would not register him to vote. The Republicans did. My father has never forgotten that day, and neither have I."

You may want to re-check you're history chuckles.

Yes leftard policies have created a lot in this country, a lot of nanny staters.

Think on it chuckles...

We now return you to your regularly schduled clown....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

"Considering the war has

"Considering the war has produced over a million casualties"

Thank you for playing. Ring the buzzer now and tell the nurse she skipped your meds tonight. Before she gets there though, please make up some more stories and statistics, as they are quite entertaining at times.

 

Jerry, the next time you drive the pacific coast, you can thank

leftwing policies for providing all the state parks, public access to beaches, and magnificent views unobstructed by private development.

Leftism

...and the billions in dollars in debt that CA finds itself in.

Also, read your history.  The reason OR's beaches are all public is that for years they were utilized as something of a roadway. 

Other than that, Leftist policies are nothing to be proud of.  Exhibits include East Germany, the Soviet Union... 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

"How about you show me some

"How about you show me some example where leftwing policies don't lead
to chaos, anarchy, elitism, perversion, and irresponsibility."

And while he's at it, maybe he can tell us when the world was destroyed in the past because of global warming.

The marxist trolls are out

The marxist trolls are out tonight.  I guess the dot-dot-dot-dot posts are some kind of leftist haiku.

As far as Keller goes, has the New York Times or any other of the major media-center-leftist outlets used the term "haters" to describe critics of President Bush, as they did those of President Clinton?  Keller gives a speech here that talks about the alleged stifling of dissent, while at the same time trying to discredit those media outlets that do not adhere to liberal orthodoxy.

"How's the view from under

"How's the view from under your sand pile?"

Shouldn't we be asking you how life in fairy tale land is? I mean, make
up your mind. First you say we have set up a puppet government, then
you say there is no government of any kind in place. Which is it?
Perhaps you could also share with us exactly which US oil company is
having oil profits funneled their way. We all await in anticipation
with your made up answer.

Seriously, not sure which is worse, the fact that guys like you make
stuff up and pass it off as the truth, or the fact that so many idiots
buy into your nonsense. Umm, I'll have to go with the former. At least
idiots have an excuse.

"bout the nuCULUR

"bout the nuCULUR Iran......the one that the NIE declared had STOPPED
it's program in 2003......but lil awol and his vice-liar Cheney
declared Iran to be a grave danger.......but when you're a
fascist........you don't get penalized for your lies......Think on it,
son."

Sadly, when you're a lib, you don't get punished for ignorance, and, often you actually get promoted because of it. In your case, I'm betting you'll be a principal soon, or maybe even superintendent. I would demand that YOU think on it, but demanding the impossible is pointless.

This is why we cannot allow liberals to get into office, as I fear their idiot minions like professor doof represent the same mindset of their favorite candidates. If for no other reason, their seriously flawed logic should absolutely scare the HELL out of rational thinking people.

War going badly in Iraq

And the Patriots are having a disastrous season.