Saturday's lead editorial in the New York Times celebrated Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize for his work on "global warming," "A Prize for Mr. Gore and Science." Before the praise, the Times stopped to spout misstatements on Gore's effort to overturn the 2000 election results.
"One can generate a lot of heartburn thinking about all of the things that would be better about this country and the world if the Supreme Court had done the right thing and ruled for Al Gore instead of George W. Bush in 2000. Mr. Gore certainly hasn't let his disappointment stop him from putting the time since to very good use.
But the Supreme Court "ruling for Al Gore" would not have automatically put Gore in the White House, as the paper assumes. Gore asked for a statewide manual recount -- which the Times's own comprehensive report shows Bush would have won.
Here's Ford Fessenden and John Broder from November 12, 2001:
"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
"Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court."
Thomas Friedman made the same false accusation of the Supreme Court taking away Gore's presidential victory in the second paragraph of his Sunday column.
"Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush each faced a crucible moment. For Mr. Gore, it was winning the popular vote and having the election taken away from him by a Republican-dominated Supreme Court. For Mr. Bush, it was the shocking terrorist attack on 9/11."
—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.















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Unbelieveable...are these
October 15, 2007 - 15:16 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltUnbelieveable...are these BDS victims never gonna let that go?
Maybe the right should keep (or is it start) whining about how Perot ruined it for Bush Sr. and gave the election to Clinton. The reality was that Perot took a hundred times as many votes away from Bush as he did from Clinton.
Or maybe we should whine about how Perot took the election away from Bob Dole in 1996...nevermind that one!
This gets sooo old... I
October 15, 2007 - 15:25 ET by bigtimerThis gets sooo old...
I heard about Tom Friedman yesterday morning on this subject also, every Tom, Joe, Dick and Harry and all other spoiled rotten temper-tantrum throwing leftists need to get the heck over this...
You lost...you put this country in turmoil as only mad dog defeatist leftists with an agenda for power can do...I was more than mad back then with all the tactics of trying to wrestle away another election via cheating/lying.
Try as you might...You cannot rewrite history.
Period.
Get a life.... moveon
mail ballots.
October 15, 2007 - 15:47 ET by PKsomething that is extremely irritating is that the democrats did everything possible to hinder the mail ballots that the military people that were overseas were sending in to their election boards of the towns where they were homeported.
as it was the democrats were quite successful in suppressing the military vote in florida while on the other hand they were whining and sniviling about the blacks not being allowed to vote.
if the military vote had not been suppressed george bush would have taken the state by 25,000 or more votes.
C
Liberals
October 15, 2007 - 15:52 ET by iveseenitallModern "liberals" are such thick-headed, ignorant fools. It's often a hoot to watch these jackasses, until you think about how sad this is for America.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
PK... Bulls-eye! (I
October 15, 2007 - 15:52 ET by bigtimerPK...
Bulls-eye!
(I also was furious with that whole situation...all of my family and friends were)
Insufferable... all of it...but especially the military vote.
They're just sore, because
October 15, 2007 - 16:09 ET by danboThey're just sore, because they weren't allowed to steal the election.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Gore con job nets over 100 million
October 15, 2007 - 16:05 ET by TheTruth". . .Mr. Gore certainly hasn't let his disappointment stop him from putting the time since to very good use."
Yes he certainly has put his time to good use pushing the man made global warming con job that has personally netted him over $100,000,000.
Anthropologic global warming the democrats path to socialism
Count the Vote
October 15, 2007 - 16:13 ET by Jerry MackCount the Vote, Count the Vote. I heard these words from Democrats so many times that whenever one of them was being interviewed I hit the mute button. The votes have been counted by many groups and Bush wins. But once again they ignore the facts. Now they say Bush was annointed or appointed by the Supreme court. Another position that they can not defend.
They also like to forget
October 15, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Clear thinkerThey also like to forget how some supposed well respected media orgs went and did their own count after the whole fiasco, and the count still gave the election to Bush.
Nothing but a bunch of immature crybabies!!!
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"Count the vote" meant to
October 15, 2007 - 16:27 ET by MikeB"Count the vote" meant to count votes from felons, illegal aliens, and corpses, but to disregard votes from active military personnel. And, of course, any senior citizen in Florida who voted for Bush was obviously in the grip of Alzheimer's disease and meant to vote for Algore, but the ballot was too confusing for them. And, just as of course, all the senior citizens in Florida who voted for Algore were of sound mind and their vote should count...maybe two or three times.
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Vote early, vote
October 15, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Clear thinkerVote early, vote often!
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Counting the Vote
October 15, 2007 - 22:45 ET by merlin61Lets hope and pray that we don't have a repeat
of that election. The Dems still can't get over the
fact that Bush won, and that's where all the hatred
is coming from. I voted on butterfly ballots before
and I never had any problem with them. This
whole thing was a set up by the Dim's.
They will just never get
October 15, 2007 - 16:17 ET by motherbeltThey will just never get over this, or let it go.. All roads lead to Florida, 2000.
Anger
October 15, 2007 - 16:36 ET by allanfIn the close New Mexico race that year, the Democrats were able to find some ballots that had been misplaced to put Gore over the top. In the 2004 Washington State governors race Republican Dino Rossi apparently won the election by a hair. No worries. Luckily for the Democrats, officials in King County suddenly found 700 ballots to put Democrat Christine Gregoire, over the top.
I think the bitterness stems from the fact that a Republican Governor in Florida and a Republican Secretary of State made sure the Democrats were not able to magically find some lost ballots in 2000 election.
Another definition for the
October 15, 2007 - 16:23 ET by MikeBAnother definition for the Democrat Newspeak English Dictionary.
This time it is a phrase instead of a word:
"Do the right thing." (v) For any group, especially the Supreme Court, to rule in favor of a liberal, no matter what the Constitution might say on the issue.
In the 2000 election, the Florida Supreme Court "did the right thing" when they ignored Florida State Law and ruled in favor of Al Gore's attempt to steal the election. On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court did not "do the right thing" when they ruled 9-0 that what the Florida Supreme Court had done was wrong. The Supreme Court then split on the remedy of the situation.
Of course, as has been pointed out before, if Algore had won his own home-state of Tennessee, the entire Florida debacle would have been rendered moot.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
It wasn't just a Sore Loserman thing
October 15, 2007 - 16:33 ET by mattmThe Gore fiasco was mainly intended to pre-disqualify the Bush presidency. If Gore had managed to get away with the theft, it would have merely been icing on his cake. If the Court would have ruled for Gore, it would have set a bad precedent that the Left might have later regretted.
This is another reason I believe they never really wanted the Court to rule any other way, but that the whole thing was a big scam designed to poison Bush's reputation prior to his inauguration. (And give the outgoing administration time to get rid of the evidence)
Plot to steal election was in place before votes were counted
October 15, 2007 - 22:12 ET by nkviking75I respectfully disagree, mattm. Gore had push-pollers calling Florida voters on election day while the polls were still open, planting the idea that the butterfly ballots were too confusing. I can remember a TV interview with a guy claiming to be a rocket scientist who said even he was confused by the ballot. Too cute by half. And at the risk of sounding paranoid, I have to wonder how the MSM happened to call Florida for Gore while the state's Central Time Zone precincts were still open. That's the part of the state where the Republicans were strongest. The MSM were all relying on one exit polling organization. One dishonest pollster might have been able to exert a huge influence on a tight race like this.
Gore did manage to seriously wound the Bush presidency, but I don't think that was his original intent.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
nk
October 15, 2007 - 22:21 ET by BlondeYou're killing me.
I remember every filthy minute of this. I spent election night with a very dear friend. We were soooo upset...then we spent the next two months wondering.
Al Gore is a sorry "devious sore losing loser"....sorry Strat...that's not quite right...but close enough.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Stuck in the middle with Gore
October 15, 2007 - 22:28 ET by nkviking75I'm sure it was painful, Blonde. It was agony in West Des Moines, where I lived at the time, but it was something I experienced at a distance. I can't imagine what it was like being stuck in the middle of it.
For those who'd like to know more about how it all went down, I recommend the book "At Any Cost" by Bill Sammon. He convinced me that if the MSM hadn't jumped the gun, the vote tally in Florida might not have been so close.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
NK
October 15, 2007 - 22:37 ET by BlondeI try to make light of it here...but it is a serious embarassment.
We were in the microscopic eye of the media....do you remember all of the libtards seriously viewing the pregnant chads? "ooooh look, a little pin dot"....let's figure out what the voter meant?
As if!!! Some old granny too old to get wheeled into the voting booth...got confused. HELLO VOTERS! If you can't figure it out....YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE!
Typical from the land of Winkin, Blinkin & Alzheimer's....but I digress.
Gore tried to steal the election...and it just sets me off on a fit of pique (yet again, I know, the really "Bad Blonde" got set loose yet again today...for reasons for which I shall never tell the rest of you...LOL). Bal...if you're here...log out now, or you are TOAST!
Nuff said. They're all a bunch of lying liars....with the big Chief Lying Gore at the front of the line.
Hey...did anyone else read the thread about "fade accompli"....I laughed about that....Hillary's fade.
K...done with my rant now...thank you all for your patience!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
It is amazing how the left
October 15, 2007 - 16:38 ET by SmartypantsIt is amazing how the left creates its own alternate reality to support things as they see it. It is especially frustrating to any thinking rational person how they repeat the mantra that somehow the U.S. Supreme Court handed the election to Bush. Quite the contrary, it was the Florida Supreme Court which bent over backwards, even making up the law as it went along, to hand it to Gore. Try and tell these people that the recounts could still be going on to this very day and there would still not be enough votes for Al Gore in the three contested counties of Florida. Gore lost Florida, lost his home state and lost the 2000 election. Reality is certainly tough to comprehend, that is for some people anyway.
NY Times own report says
October 15, 2007 - 16:42 ET by GregENY Times own report says Bush would have still won? Oh, nevermind that old stuff. We all know liberals are allowed to say one thing and change it later. They can declare a statute of limitations specific to the need. America is supposed to completely forget once this declaration has taken place so whatever is said new is the gospel and the only thing ever actually said............until next time the statute is again needed to re-write history again. It's a perk of suffering from the mental disorder of liberalism. They can't help themselves.
To the NYTimes and the
October 15, 2007 - 16:42 ET by drillanwrTo the NYTimes and the neoPRAVDA MSM in general:
Contrary to what you believe, I have an I.Q. way above that of Forrest Gump's ... AND, I do not have ADD or ADHD, or any other alphabet disorder.
Yes, one would get heartburn
October 15, 2007 - 16:43 ET by fitzfongYes, one would get heartburn thinking about all the things that would be better about this country and the world if Gore had managed to steal the election...absolutely nothing would be better about this country or the world.
Con artist Al Gore for president
October 15, 2007 - 16:59 ET by TheTruthYes, wouldn’t be wonderful to have con artist Al Gore for president. Gore lives in house burning 20X the energy of the average American home, runs around in private jets burning tanker trucks of fuel preaching to the little people we should live in straw houses with compost toilets, not use hair or clothes dryers, and bicycle to work while lining his pockets with over $100,000,000 pushing man made global warming. Definitely presidential material.
Anthropologic global warming the democrats path to socialism
I think that would be a
October 15, 2007 - 17:21 ET by Free ThinkerI think that would be a heart attack
Thomas Friedman is not bright
October 15, 2007 - 16:48 ET by MikeHe actually said that the Supreme Court was Republican dominated and gave the election to Bush. The court is still not Republican dominated, although it has been greatly improved over the past six years. I guess it follows logic that if they followed the rule of law and did not create a new law to fit their desired outcomet, they must be a Republican-dominated Supreme Court.
Mike, you know what a
October 15, 2007 - 16:56 ET by MikeBMike, you know what a right-wing zealot Ruth Bader-Ginsberg is.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Editorial
October 15, 2007 - 17:01 ET by mgerardnWhat part of the word editorial do you people not get.
You're missing the point.
October 15, 2007 - 17:04 ET by SmartypantsYou're missing the point. The guy is entitled to his opinion. He is not entitled to misrepresent facts in supporting that opinion, not without being corrected. The Supreme Court could not hand Al Gore the election, even if it wanted to, not without the votes. This dingbat does not understand that, and that is a huge problem.
editorial
October 15, 2007 - 17:17 ET by mgerardnThis guy said "If the Supreme Court had handed Gore the election" - he's saying if they had voted that way - that's his opinion.
Incorrect
October 15, 2007 - 19:33 ET by stratman"This guy said "If the Supreme Court had handed Gore the election" - he's saying if they had voted that way - that's his opinion."
PROVE THAT!
From the article:
In fact, the word "if" does not appear at all in Friedman's piece.
You are either a lazy reader, a propagandist or suffer from a debilitating medical disorder.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
"If"
October 15, 2007 - 19:40 ET by BlondeIf frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their arses crossing the Jersey Turnpike.
The election wasn't taken away from Gore. HE LOST! But being the sore losing loser he is....he drug the entire country (and me, in the state of Florida, disgustingly liberal county of Broward....home of the hanging & very pregger chads) through the ringer.
We need to continually hammer this canard. Gore was the one who tried to "steal" the election.
Bush won Florida. The first time. The second time. The third time....even after ole Boring was able to pitch the military absentee votes on a technicality (disgusting!).
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
"... being the sore
October 15, 2007 - 20:15 ET by stratman"... being the sore losing loser he is..."
Perfect description.
Even his Nobel Peace Prize is tarnished in the same week he receives it when judges in Great Britain rule his manifesto "An Inconvenient truth" actually contains nine very inconvenients (for him) lies, not to mention his shameless self-aggrandizement, both monetarily and publically. All this has been wantonly egged-on by certain sectors of the unintellectual and sycophantic population and media in a modern day spin of the also failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 Germany.
As such, I might amend your original statement to "devious losing loser".
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Works for Me
October 15, 2007 - 20:21 ET by BlondeBut, I like the "sore" part of it too....how about a compromise (see, we conserves aren't such blockheads afterall).
"devious sore losing loser".....Al Gore!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Mea culpa - I forgot
October 15, 2007 - 21:30 ET by stratmanMea culpa - I forgot it!
You are 100% correct.
Devious, sore, losing loser it is.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Wow, Strat!
October 15, 2007 - 21:51 ET by BlondeYou hit me at home...my absolute favorite words in the English language....
You are 100% correct.
Thanks...you truly made my day...and it was a day from the dark side.
I owe you one for that!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde: You have
October 15, 2007 - 22:28 ET by stratmanBlonde:
You have entertained and educated me on numerous occasions in this forum. I thank you.
Hope tomorrow brings you blue skies and warm winds.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
I think it's the 'orial'
October 15, 2007 - 17:08 ET by mattmI think it's the 'orial' part...
What's your point mgerardn?
October 15, 2007 - 17:10 ET by RJWhat's your point mgerardn?
It is interesting how the
October 15, 2007 - 17:02 ET by SmartypantsIt is interesting how the left assumes life would be so much better under an Al Gore presidency. This assumes that Mr. Gore would have had some great answer for 9/11, would have had a better solution for the threat of Saddam Hussein, would have nuanced his way around North Korea and Iran and, his huge tax increases would have been just the thing a slowing economy needed. The guy would have been a homerun.
Al Gore is not suitable for
October 15, 2007 - 17:22 ET by rimskyAl Gore is not suitable for POTUS. Never has been, never will be. He would cower in the face of agression, he would bend to his party's wishes, he would bend to the UN's wishes, and he would sell our sovereignty. I don't trust him to do anything but scam for more power any way he can.
One Scenario
October 15, 2007 - 20:31 ET by Del DolemonteIf Clinton had done the same thing Nixon did, namely resign
"for the good of the country", an incumbent President Algore would have easily been elected in 2000.
But isn't it true that the
October 15, 2007 - 17:17 ET by rimskyBut isn't it true that the SC basically decided to do nothing.. i.e., they didn't RULE on this case one way or the other. If they decided anything, isn't it correct to say that they decided to let the state SC do it's job?
Same old Same old
October 15, 2007 - 17:40 ET by connmanFlorida was always going to play a part in the 2000 election, even that triple chinned bag of wind Tim Russert was tipped off! It was a fight they knew they'd lose but they felt the need to drag the country through their mud anyway! They succeeded in sullying GWB from the start and success would have been complete if not for the Taliban and UBL. I've been saying to my lib friends since the 04 election that if Gore REALLY won the '00 election and got screwed by the SCOTUS, then he was a lock in '04. The crybaby didn't even run! End of story!
One last thing on Gore
October 15, 2007 - 17:44 ET by connmanFor eight years Gore was just a Bag Man for Clinton anyway!
Gore Had A Bigger Problem
October 15, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Del DolemonteIn 2000, Gore couldn't even win his own home state. If he won Tennessee, he wouldn't have needed to carry Florida. His father must be spinning in his grave. He also lost Clinton's home state.
No
October 15, 2007 - 20:16 ET by Del DolemonteActually the Supreme Court had two separate rulings on the day they finally put an end to the whole thing. The first and most important ruling went against Gore 7-2, and WAS a definite ruling against Gore's flimsy case. But Gore supporters never mention that first SCOTUS decision, as it was too insulting to their cause.
The second decision, the 5-4 one, was to determine the remedy to the problem. This second, less consequential, ruling was immediately seized upon by the "objective" media as proof that Bush's hacks on the Supreme Court "installed" him as President. When it was mentioned to the media that the Justice that Pappy Bush put on the Court, David Souter, voted against Bush, they changed the subject.
By the way, it was the judicial activism of the Floriduh Supreme Court that sent the case to the Supremes in the first place. They tried re-writing election law after their guy was in danger of losing said election, which is a no-no.
Of course, we never heard about these out-of-control Floriduh Supreme Court hacks at the time who were in the tank for Gore-all the press mentioned was the evil Katherine "Cruella de Ville" Harris.
The never ending Embarassment
October 15, 2007 - 20:34 ET by BlondeOf living in Broward County (preggy chads) and the oh, so aptly described "Floriduh" Supreme court.
I shall never live this down.
Katherine Harris is a mean witch....but she was right on.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
lived through it
October 15, 2007 - 17:35 ET by okiehawk44not a single black was denied the ability to vote in florida in 2000! not a single incident that could be proved (with real facts not emotions) was ever brought forward!
democrats lost the ELECTORAL vote in 2000 and democrats controlled the florida supreme court/each county bureau of elections/designed the palm beach country "butterfly" ballot/controlled each recount board -- MOVEON and stop the fantasy!