NYT: New Pro-Gun Law Passes, Texans Already Going Kill-Crazy


New York Times reporter Gretel Kovach reported on the tragic shooting death in Dallas of Jeffrey Carter Albrecht, the keyboard player for Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians, in "Musician Is Killed For Banging On a Door." But unwittingly or not, that headline (killed for banging on a door -- talk about harsh Texas justice!) suggested the shooting was an overreaction, and Kovach's article further politicized the issue from the second sentence on.

A Texas rock musician was shot to death here early Monday by a neighbor who fired through a closed door, thinking he was scaring off a burglar.

The incident occurred just three days after a new law took effect strengthening the right of Texans to use deadly force to protect themselves and their property.

The musician, Jeffrey Carter Albrecht, 34, a keyboardist with Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians and the Dallas rock band Sorta, was shot in the head after he startled a man and his wife about 4 a.m. by pounding and kicking at their back door, the police said. Mr. Albrecht had just assaulted his girlfriend, who lives next door and had locked him out of her house, the police said.

The neighbor, who has not been identified by the police, was awakened by his wife's screams that someone was breaking into their home, according to the police report. The man yelled for the person to go away, but when the pounding continued, he fired through the top of the door.

Mr. Albrecht, who was about 6-foot-5, was struck in the head.

The police said the case would be referred to a grand jury for review. Mr. Albrecht's mother, Judith Albrecht, would not say whether she thought the neighbor should be charged with a crime.

(On Wednesday morning, Dallas police said they would not press charges against the homeowner.)

Texas has protected the right to "stand your ground" and use deadly force to protect oneself at home without first trying to retreat since 1995. And a law that took effect on Saturday expanded that so-called "castle doctrine" to apply to public spaces.

The law also expanded civil immunity and could make it more difficult for the Albrecht family or relatives of those killed in similar incidents in Texas to win a wrongful-death suit, said James Dark, executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association, which lobbied for the new law.

[...]

Marsha McCartney, president of the North Texas chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, called Mr. Albrecht's death "one more gun tragedy."

"I'm sure the man who did the shooting feels terrible about it," Ms. McCartney said, "but legally in Texas he can do exactly what he did because he feels frightened."

The Associated Press reported the shooting with additional details of Albrecht striking his girlfriend in the face and "trying to kick in the door" of his neighbor's house (instead of merely "kicking at" the door, as the Times had it). The AP also managed to report the story without calling anti-gun advocates to add "I told you so."

—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.


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If someone was kicking at

If someone was kicking at my door at 4 AM, I would probably do the same thing.....

There's a morality lesson here boys and girls. Don't mess with Texans at 4AM.

It's just too bad this guy

It's just too bad this guy wasn't really a crazed maniac on a killing spree and that Texas had a gun ban - and then maybe this nobody couple might be dead now instead of a precious musical artist...

I think that's what the NYT means suggesting for here, correct? 

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Gee, you got that too?

I feel duty bound to

I feel duty bound to announce, publically, to any aging and fading 80's musical has-been who may be considering coming to Florida to kick in the door of Case De Bruzilla in the wee hours of the morning... I WILL SHOOT YOU!  Have a nice day.

I think a key adjustment

I think a key adjustment of reality comes in the NYT saying that the home owner was "scaring off a burglar".  I think most people grasp the reality of burglars, that being they are major risk avoiders.  Leaving your lights on is enough to deter most burglars, and most burglars are loath to enter an occupied home and will immediately depart upon discovering someone is at home.  As for continuing to try to gain forcible entry after being told "I've got a gun!", it goes without saying that this is the statement that pretty much every burglar dreads hearing.

Cases of criminals who don't worry about occupants, who don't respond to challenges, and who will keep trying to get in are more along the Home Invasion line.  These folks don't worry about risk like burglars do, and usually have little issue with killing anyone they find.  So someone who starts trying to break into a house, and keeps trying after they have been warned that they are in imminent danger, can't really be classified as a potential "burglar". 

This home owner's problem was that there's no difference between an angry stupid person trying to smash in your door and a home invader, and waiting to find out if the guy on the other side of the door is a home invader is often fatal.

You don't expect the NYT to

You don't expect the NYT to grasp the same reality that most people grasp, do you?

If this is the best the gun-grabbers can come up with, they're in pretty rough shape.

Frankly, though, at that hour I'd probably use a crossbow - they're much less noisy...

Too bad

Too bad for mister keyboard player, but that is the risk you run attempting to kick down someone's door at 4 a.m. And it is good that the Texas law has tightened the rules about who can sue in this sort of incident, because if you get shot while trespassing and attempting to force your way into a home--you are NOT a victim! 

The homeowner shot through the TOP of the door

How many home invaders are 6'5"? It seems to me that the homeowner was trying, in his way, to shoot over the head of the invader. Doors are typically 7 feet tall. What's the average height of an adult human male? 5'10-11"? Once could think that shooting through the top 1 foot of the door would serve as a warning shot. Unfortunately, this invader was 6'5" tall.

I object!

As a vertically-challenged individual (6'5") I find the previous statement 'tallist' and insulting. Us 'tallies' have rights too, and one of them should be the right to kick in doors and not be shot because of it!

Where's my check?

 

More to the story?

I bet when that bullet struck him in the head, a burst of white powder and undigested Thunderbird covered the immediate area.

The Lead Cure

I always laugh at these stories "about not my baby" doing such horrendous things that I always hear liberal mommies always claim in court.....when junior helped gang rape a girl, beat her, lit her up with gas and left her for dead.

Same goes for this dope head Albrecht. Praise God that fine Texas couple had a gun or who knows what that woman beater would have done to them. Society was given a great gift in this ilk being shot. No more women beat on and no more rampages in a neighborhood at 4 am...........gee and all the other creatures will decide to stay home instead of antagnonizing the neighbors with a six foot five inch frame as they now understand acting like a jerk gets a lead cure.

All states should have this measure and all states should commute Charlie Manson and toss in all the pedophiles and serial rapists sentences to death. That would clean up a huge problem in American culture.

That was some gun used in defense to blow a hole through 2 inches of wood and steel and brain a thug. Guess Albrecht should have been part of the New Christians as that would have had him in bed sleeping like moral people.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

nuances

you shouldn't spoil the moment by shooting at someone you can't see.

it ruins the whole experience.

nuances, man, nuances.

See PK "nuances" above

You all need to thrive on that fear, don't you? I wish I could tell you what it's like to grow up in a normal place.

You have the highest killing rate, don't you? I mean, like, in prisons? Capital Punishment is cool with you guys (especially Christians?) and yet it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrant.

You know that saying; "bigger than Texas"? I grew up in a state bigger than Texas. In my country, that's nothing. We've got 3 states bigger than Texas.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't so much love guns, as hate peace.

Hitler would have loved PK. PK probably loves Hitler. Why doesn't PK get banned, after a statement like that, Noel?

Anyone going to back me up?

Your right Eyecare. I hate

Your right Eyecare. I hate peace and love war. We all do. We love our guns more than our families or friends. There is nothing better than sitting in front of the fireplace, watching a good old fashion execution. /sarc off. 

You left wingers are all the same. But you sing a diffrent tune when your looking down the gun of one of your poor, starving, criminals you keep letting out.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I don't know what criminals

I don't know what criminals I let out, you dumb .... You are simply too simple, put simply! Does that fit your understanding of "grammer"? you dumb ...?

I am so glad you have nothing to do with the running of your country, and that the 'Home' has now sorted out the problem.

While that is taking place, poor, poor basement dude (remember when "dude" was still current? Sure! It was the ....80's?) Have you noticed. I've still been trying to hint at the correct version of "Your" as opposed to "You're"?

Somehow, I don't think you are going to get it. Ever! No risk of you being in the "guvverment" is there, basementdweller?

Uh?

eyecare... Where is this

eyecare...

Where is this place you consider normal??? 

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Why, CT, dont you know? Its

Why, CT, dont you know? Its Never Never Land. You know, where Peter Pan roams the skies and Tinker Bell sprinkles fairy dust to make things perfect.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Most of the world. Enjoy

Most of the world.

Enjoy your paranoia.

Welcome New Troll

It's a new Troll!

I think it's botg's turn to scare them off with facts & logic?

Free

do you really think the EYE understands logic?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.  

Probably not. :-)

Probably not. :-)

:-)

and this is a re-incarnated one

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.  

It's NOS! Newsbusters Obsession Syndrome

Certainly sounds familiar . . .

Then again. Those Trolls all use the same talking points, so they're bound to sound alike.

Why are they so obsessed with this site?

Are you kidding? Capital

Are you kidding? Capital Punishment is a 100% effective deterrant... against repeat offenders.

Do you live in |Texas?

Do you live in |Texas?

}}---> Texas

I do.  And strangely enough the murders here occur most often in the liberal bastions like everywhere else.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

Don't mess with Texas

I live here as well. I am proud that we put murderers down like the dogs that they are. It is not for deterrence, it is for justice. Justice for the real victims, the families of people who have been cut down in the middle of their lives, the families for police officers who have been gunned down trying to protect good folks and oddballs like you, Eyecare.

I am equally proud to live where personal rights are respected. We have the right to defend ourselves by any means necessary, in our homes or out in public. We can also protect others the same way.

If some pos is going around, beating on people's doors and intimidating them, in addition to beating on a woman, then that pos gets what he deserves, in Texas at least.

Do you think this story

Do you think this story will help feed the stereotype New Yorkers place on us Texans and keep them from infesting our great state? One can only hope.

You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. - Abraham Lincoln

PK, GO TO YOUR ROOM! NO

PK, GO TO YOUR ROOM! NO DINNER FOR YOU TONIGHT! AND NO TV!

 

Eyecare the careless fool

I guess you missed the joke entirely in favor of your idiot rant, you're that combative and dense. Furthermore in your angry spew, you've established you're an idiot again or a bragging foreigner, likely a canuckian frozen hosehead.

 Now you've run yourself down to attack dog whiner, and I'm more than happy to join you, since you made a large mistake, and I don't believe I have.

 How is it that someone so proclaiming peace missed the joke ?

 I think you should stay away from Texas. You're just the type who screams peace, then winds up drunk on nicotine patches pounding on someone else's backdoor in the middle of the night. Not that there's anything wrong with that, for your type. LOL

  I'll back you up - BACK UP now away from the computer, get the HECK off our internet backbone, back out, up there to canuckiville, and don't come back, mr whiny banmeister.

 

Sport P

i must agree that PKs sarc was totally missed by the EYE 

fyi:  the eye is in Briton but from Australia

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.  

It's true.

Yes, I did indeed miss it. Oh well!

Yes, I'm in "Briton" and from Australia.

Aye Aye Eye

ye shouldst knowe bye now that i indulge in olde English spellings as it amuses me.  Or do you forget it was the Britons before Britains?  As to spelling and proper grammer that continues to change as these are merely attempts to record the spoken language of the time.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.  

I'll be frank. Sometimes,

I'll be frank. Sometimes, in pre-emptive defense, we all try to second guess and out-wit, and often, humour is lost in the process, and interpreted as something else.

Most of my jokes are lost in translation, and it's hard to capture your audience in the first place, when you are a troll like me.

I thought "Briton" was funny because technically, I am a Briton. I was born here. I am Australian where it counts, but I'm living in Britain at the moment, and I am British too, and therefore a Briton.

A Briton?

of Celtic, Pictic, Anglo, Saxon, or Gaulish roots?

 Support our Troops 

Ah!

Anglo Saxon.

How about you? If I'm not allowed to be just a Briton as a member of the UK, then you cannot simply be an American from the USA.

What's your title? (In good humour, everyone, ok?)

my title?

at the NY Times: BOTG the great

ancestors are from Yorkshire(Anglo), Wales(Celt) and Scotland(Celt) Though as i understand it as the Celts crossed through Europe there was mingling with the Anglo-Saxons, Teutonics, Danes, Gauls, etc.

(was that you or gollum under the bridge in Yorkshire?)

 Support our Troops 

T'was me.

Britain's a tiny place. It's the size of the second smallest state in Australia. The state I come from in Australia is bigger than Texas, and it's only one of three.

So, to cut a long story short, people from O/S always want to know where a person is from, if they come from Britain, but Britain is so small to me, as it would be to you, that it's kind of a strange question.

What about you? I don't need your address, or where your British ancestors come from. I meant you, as an American.

And keep it quiet on the bridge.

Eye can't believe

Only a moron or the most pathetic pacifist would not desire to have superior . . .firepower at their disposal if a 6' 5'' dude was trying to break in their back (or front, for that matter) door at ANY time of day. ''I've got a knife!!'' you say. Breaking in continues, finally succeeding. ''Stay back!!!'' Slash, slash. Wrestle. Uh, oh! Now 6' 5'' dude has the knife. Sayonara, homeowner and family. Pathetic.

Some, not all, are being asshats here.

So some of you stop making fools of yourselves..by knee jerking onto an issue as naively as the other side is..let me educate certain douchebags here who think this was all well and proper.

The alleged 'drunken musician' had 5 cocktails over a two hour period..his drinking tolerance was known to be quite more than this.

The alleged 'drunken musician' did not do drugs (except Chantix..more on this in a moment), had never hit his girlfriend (SHE says this!), was a extremely mellow fellow and was welllll known for his good character.

The alleged 'drunken musician' was a graduate of Southern Methodist University (performance piano) off a full scholarship who got his start in the church and Christian contemporary music.

The alleged 'drunken musician' had spent months splitting time between his place and his girlfriend Ryann's place next door to were he was killed. The neighbors knew who he was...

The alleged "'drunken musician' was 6'5" if he was wearing boots ..maybe..and was shot through the top of a door that had glass panes giving view to the exterior.

...You see, certain douchebags, Carter Albrecht was legend in the Dallas music scene, respected, liked, a virtuoso..who loved his girl dearly. What you, certain obfuscating bags of puss, didn't bother to find out before you cracked wise about this tragedy was this...Carter and Ryann had started Chantix (varenicline) to quit smoking that week...and things started to change..Carter's behaviour changed that night. She described him as being in a waking dream, unaware of his surroundings, not realizing he had hit her, lucid one moment, out of his mind the next..This drug is a psychoactive and while it may be the next coming of sliced bread for those who wish to stop smoking..a side effect is that it can cause psychotic breaks..by itself..and if interacted with alcohol, apparently much more likely (do your own research..this is not an isolated incident)

Did Mr. Logg have a right to defend hiself, his home, his family? Absolutely.

Do we take all the guns and privileges of use because of this tragedy? Absolutely not.

Could he have known Carter was not in control of his faculties because of another psychoactive drug rushed out and foisted on the public? No.

Should he have expended a round through the glass door at a person he probably knew..as a 'warning' shot? I don't know. Wasn't there. and neither were you.

But what no one should do is pop off casually and caustically with boisterous bravado..the likes of "I'd kill'em tooooo, yeee-haw". It just makes you appear, as mentioned ..a tool, a douchebag, an idiot who most certainly does not deserve the responsibility of having a firearm.

This was a giant bowl of suck for eveyone involved...The neighbors, his girlfriend, his family, his friends..and Carter Albrecht's lost, gone forever, possibilities. If, as I guess, none of you have heard of him or his music, go to iTunes and check some out, google him..you might like it. The non-douchebags that is...

Mf - ..a lower greenville, Dallas, Texas -gun-owning, gun-carrying, gun-using resident when not overseas..and a very very poor musician.

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Very good, counselor, I'm sure that will play well to the jury

I would suggest, however, that you use adult language and lose the name-calling as you make your case in court. 

Point being, MacFaux, you spin a nice yarn...with nothing to back it up but your word.  

adult language is reserved..for adults..

1) do your research before you besmirch..no yarn, just a warm and cozy Dragon Skin vest with optional nad guard..

and B) children, temporally or mentally or anyone who gets juiced over something like this.. aren't and probably never will be Adult, my freund..

Representative: "Same goes for this dope head Albrecht. Praise God that fine Texas
couple had a gun or who knows what that woman beater would have done to
them." - that is just brilliant adult commentary, you are correct, sir.

You see, decider-and-chief-of-adult language, the likes of Lame Cherry, Mica the Magnificent, Bruzilla, mbuel, PK ..don't comprehend logical concepts..or, probably, adult rational arguement. They do, I wager, intuit the base, common, and popular sentiments expressed from 'douchebag'. Sorry if that offends you.

As for only my word...well, I guess, you were too busy to, as I suggested, do your own research.. alas, go here:

http://www.sortaweb.... ...read a bit. then go here...

http://www.gordonkei... ..read a bit more.

And then, should you still think it a yarn, and should you have the coconuts, mi amigo. e-mail danny.balis@cumulus.com ..or just call anyone at 'the ticket' ( google it...you'll find what I mean)...and take ownership of these certain 'douchebag' comments... I double dog dare you. These juvenile worthless sacks of guts who take posting joy in standing judgement and cracking wise over the tragic circumstances (which they don't know) concerning the death of a man (they did not know..who was an order of magnitude a better human being than they) don't haven't the stones to pipe crass about this with those who do know the events and did know (danny is...was Carter's flatmate) Carter.

See, I think it's a tragedy, as most normal human folk would when anyone gets shot in the head..still does not prevent me from doing so if that is what it comes to. Those who talk big of it..it was it is...douchebag moronity.

well, hope it helps, windage and elevation mon ami, windage and elevation.

Mf. -

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

I double dog dare you


I double dog dare you

Thank you for quickly identiying yourself. That is a real time-saver.

 

Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

You lookin for a date sweetheart...

You want my phone number? I'll pitch ..you type like a catcher. If that's the way you go..cause I'm confused..your seatbelt tight there, babe?

Still, you prove my point about a lack of adult-i-ness from certain...posters. Do you really think that kind of 'internet muscle' goofiness does anything but present you as a poser? Are you young or just not so bright..I wonder.

However, I am torn in my casual dismissal of your intellect. You have the good sense to see the greatness in Wonder Fred, but the bad judgement to sully his greatness with Ann Coulter. It is as if your drink of choice was 20 year old Scotch and Coke Zero. Strange....fair play to Free Stinker...C'MON! Man, get on the clue train...just do some reading...a little research. Think! Don't feel..don't be a Kozkid! Flamewars are tedious.

Mf. -

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

MacFaux

you type like a catcher

The defense rests.

The defense rests?

No idea what your point is...you realize I was insulting You there, dontcha punkin?

Be good-

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Yep another crybaby douchebag liberal freak

I see you've whined up a big fat cry for some sick drunken jackass who got what he deserved.

 I heard a new report earlier about these musical FREAKS. They die younger than others, with 25% DEAD within 5 years of their "fame".

 Oh well, another piece of CRAP bites the dust.

 I'm not exactly certain how you filthy excuse lamers expect normal people to put up with your "victims on DOPE".

 Oh, he was living with his "girlfriend". Yeah. DRUNK. Stoned out of his gourd for a WEEK on some new fangled anti-toker drug... MIXING it...

 But he's your perfect "tragic vicitm".

 No, he's a piece of CRAP- now he's a dead piece of crap.

Next time - don't have your tenth "live in girlfriend" - don't be drunk off your a** at 3 am, don't be sucking down a hallucinogen at the same time, don't ignore SYMPTOMS of a bad reaction for a WEEK, and don't go banging on someone else's back door in the middle of the night, after you beat your girlfriend and she locked you out.

 DEAD POS.

 Thank God he can't produce anymore trash for slumbags like you who worship jerkoffs and no doubt make their egos so out of control and overblown, that they cannot control themselves, and of course feel they never have to, until they're DEAD.

 

Like I said, Counselor, it's a fine yarn

but your links do nothing to prove it true.  Statements like that are not "besmirching" you, they're just putting out the facts.   (BTW, it's YOUR yarn and YOUR responsibility to back it up....not mine to "research" your contentions.)

The adult language thing is your call.  I mentioned it, but I'm not the gate-keeper.  It's up to you how you want to be seen by others.

Seriously, the most I can say is that this is a rotten thing to happen, and, yes, a tragedy for certain.  I understand that's not much of an epitaph for your friend, but I assume you understand that I'm responding to your posts, not to his life or death.

You have done nothing to disprove.

I made the declarations. Refute them if you can. I don't think your besmirching me...my tongue is firmly in cheek in re your post. My self-blah blah blah..is not so fragile to care much what anyone on board might think of me.

But I stand by the assessment of this AO being over run by douchebags ..above and below. The ones who have never held a weapon on a human nor had one held on them..the kind who golf clap death and pretend to have heard the happy shouting...the kind that would pee their pants and aim with one eye closed...the tough talking fairy types. Overly brave, compensating for, well, something....the spinal kindred of Kozkids...only with more money.

as for proof ..if its in the paper it must be true, right?

http://www.dallasnew...

excuse me, I have started a flamewar with certain ineffectual effete self-imagined gun-fighting dilettantes.. I must attend to extinguishing their douchebagery..dangit, there is that word again.

be well..Mf-

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Counselor, your link contradicts your yarn

Did you bother reading it?  

As for your contention that I must "disprove" your story, I demand that you tell me when you stopped beating your mother.

RJ, Who is this

RJ,

Who is this mellifluous windbag of a troll?

Help!  May be time to call the paramedics...I'm laughing that hard!

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Ha. Not sure, Blonde

But I don't think he's a Troll.  I think he might be a little high and striking out because his friend (buddy, musical idol, whatever) was killed. 

P.S. Fred Thompson is about to come on Leno if you're interested.

P.P.S.  I'll PM you.

Well, that's unfortunate. 

Well, that's unfortunate.  Still sounds rather mean & trollish to me.

I'm out, RJ....catch you manana.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

When you do back in boystown?

As to your prior post..I read it. Did you. That article pretty much covers what I wrote..so, what's your point?

Your not besmirching..but now your falling back on the must be high? drug user label, nice, real nice....C'MON RJ! I expect better from a varsity letterman buddy. I mean, I didn't ask you why you RJ hate black people I'm striking out..you bet, pardnoor..but, remember, only at certain...wait for it..douchebags..who deserve it.

..and Blonde, I think verbose would be more accurate than windbag, butwhat the heh heh, whatever grooves ya babe.

you be well now-

Mf-

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Get some sleep, Counselor

and try again when you're sober.   Your lucidity is fading in and out.   

Nothing...you've got nothing...

Missed this one, obviously..you are not up to this level of debate...I tried to help ya, even..mmmm...carry ya...but that is pointless...so allow me to offer the awesome wisdom of the great guru Dan Hawkins:

"Go play intramurals, brother...go play intramurals"

My friend, you just ain't D1...juco all american for sure...but it is a whole different level of competition up here where the men play...ah, what the hellla.... I'll carry ya...go get some love here:

http://www.hypeful.c...

take care -

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."
--Arthur Carlson

Exactly..

Thanks again..for making my point. Motherbeater? good band name.. are you speaking from experience?

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Hmmm

Funny how you waited until RJ was gone for the night.

LOL..For the love of God Stinker...

Did you go to some special school to be such a perfectly excellent anklebiter..that is priceless.

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

No, Counselor, you've missed my point

You challenged me to prove a negative...that is, prove what you say isn't true....although you've provided no proof yourself.  If you were sober, you might understand how foolish that is. 

My post was a takeoff on the classic, unanswerable, reproof to that, which is "Sir!  When did you stop beating your wife?"  Since I don't know if you're married, Counselor, I substituted "mother."  (I assume you've had a mother at some point)

As I've said before, your behavior shows that you seem to be operating from your own version of grief.  Because of that, I won't slap you around....  ;^>

Yeah, I got it..

Senpai..but, thanks for explaing it...twas a real classic..'when / stop beating your mother'...you showd'd me..I guess it was just so clever..so scathingly smart, double tough and razor sharp, that it left me befuddled how to respond to such a gianormous brain...Oh, yeah ...I implied that you were a racist.."Why do you hate black people?".That was wrong. I apologize. I don't think you hate all black people...

Like you implied...it must have been the drink and the weed, man.

*burp*

I'm curious though..apparently, I was drunk and high, and thus incoherent. What was your excuse? and...

A) I was not asking you to prove a negative. A must be true because there is no proof that A is false...I asked you to refute what I wrote. You didn't. Also, since you keep falling back on the counselor thing..negative proof is a used everyday in the law.

and...2) The rhetorical device you are offering is not an example of Negative proof..It is an example of the Loaded question fallacy.

RJ, you are more than welcome try to slap me around anytime amigo.. better have tried...but be warned. My kung fu is perfect and I'll often just defend myself with that thoroughly adult, intelligent and effective tactic of implying you are drunk or high if I don't like what you are sayin..cause, ya know, sometime we are all too lazy to formulate a coherent response..

As I mentioned to another...I honestly do not know what we were arguing about. Sorry if I gig'd ya.

Motherbeater..still an awesome name for a band...I am so stealing that. you rule!

Be good-

Mf

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Pass, Counselor

You lost my interest the other night.   I was willing to carry you then because I thought you might be grieving, but that's over.

You seem to have a decent brain, but for whatever reason (alcohol, drugs, other), your erratic lurching about is just not interesting, Counselor.    

But I'm sure there are others here who will play.   Have fun.    ;^>

I take it you're a

I take it you're a P1?

You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. - Abraham Lincoln

sorta....when in town or on the interwebs

...but since.."I never listen to the Bob and Dan radio show"..I guess have strived but fell short of the P1 glory...I also have a nasty tendency to cheat on the ticket with Galloway & Co.. I'm so ashamed.

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

Chantix and Alcohol

MacFaux,

Since you seem to be knowledgeable about the hazards of mixing Chantix and alcohol, what about Mr. Albrecht's own responsibility for the chain of events leading up to the tragic ending in this sad tale? I presume that he was warned by his physician about the dangers (if any) of taking alcohol in conjunction with this medication? Why did he ignore the (supposed) warning? As for the homeowner, it doesn't matter whether he ''knew'' him as a neighbor or not or what the circumstances were that induced the apparently psychotic behavior. All that matters is that a man showed up at his house at four in the morning trying to break the door in. Any reasonable person would take action to protect their family first and foremost. 

On a final note: I googled Chantix + alcohol and none of the first ten links said anything about alcohol increasing the likelihood of a psychotic break, although a number of them indicated that Chantix can also inhibit the urge to drink alcohol.

Not absolving responsibilty

Carter Albrecht definitely bears responsibility..Booze and anything chemical usually don't mix well...not offering anything otherwise. What I am typing here is that there were variables in this equation that certain 'douchebags' can't understand. They type not so clever little tough guy barbs while never having really been in a fight.

Carter was a good man, a great artist, who should not have drank while taking the drug to be sure..but as to your point the first link that comes up on google is a Yahoo answers that has about half of the responses saying it is just fine to drink while on the medication.

you type -"All that matters is that a man showed up at his house at four in the
morning trying to break the door in. Any reasonable person would take
action to protect their family first and foremost."

I don't dispute that. I agree with that. Defend by any means necessary. Shooting blind through a door at best? Shooting through glass at someone you know? I don't know. I wasn't there. neither were you. And I am not objective, I try not to second guess the use of deadly force when someone fears for their life...Its not that simple. And that's not what I am doing...

My contempt is for those here who type dumbassery such as 'pound my door..I'll shoot ya in the head..giddy -up' with no context at all. Example - this couple were not awoken in the middle of the night, they had just got back from Europe and their clocks were not back on dallas time...etc etc.

Again this is Carter's fault as it were...but this was not a case of some dope smoking woman beating 6-5 musician trying to kick in a door...that is total fabrication. If anything this proves the validity of this site for the MSM shaped this story according to their own predispositions.

I stand by the assesment that this AO has been flooded with trolling Kozkid like douchebags...who type tough..love the sound of their own clickety clackety bravado and that's about all...

Anyway..in re Chantix: from the Dallas paper:

""i later learned through a close friend that he had firsthand knowledge
of two separate couples who had tried to quit smoking using chantix,
and in each case, one spouse had tried to kill the other with no
previous domestic conflct. one was successful, and many refer to this
drug as a psychotic."

According to the Chantix Web site, the drug's most common side effects
are "nausea, changes in dreaming, constipation, gas and/or vomiting."
But the Pfizer drug's FAQ section
doesn't mention more serious psychological side effects, and there are
many, including "psychotic disorder" and "suicidal ideation."

Here are some listed from Rxlist.com:

"PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS. Frequent: Anxiety, Depression,
Emotional disorder, Irritability, Restlessness. Infrequent: Aggression,
Agitation, Disorientation, Dissociation, Libido decreased, Mood swings,
Thinking abnormal. Rare: Bradyphrenia, Euphoric mood, Hallucination,
Psychotic disorder, Suicidal ideation."

So I Googled "Chantix" and "psychotic," and came up with a few disquieting comments on various blog posts and message boards.

From DrHowell.net:

"My husband who has never had ANY mental health problems, tried to
take his own life after being on Chantix for 13 days. He has no
recollection of the day it happened."

"My brother in law committed suicide Aug 19. He had taken Chantix
and went off it in the spring, then we found out he had started
retaking it 7 days before his suicide."

"2 days upon stopping, I went into a complete meltdown of suicidal
thoughts, depression, crying for no reason, panic, agitation, lack of
concentration....it was a nightmare."

And a post from someone who combined heavy drinking and Chantix, like Albrecht did, from WebMD:


"… While intoxicated I did some things that were completely out of
character for me. It is probably in my best interest not to share all
of the details here even when posting anonymously, but the police were
involved. I just want to make it clear that I did not hurt anyone or
anything like that. I apparently just made a few bad decisions even
after I was apprehended by the police …. I am not saying that it was
the Chantix that caused this abnormal behavior… When I called Pfizer
though, they told me that there have not been any studies on the
effects of alcohol on people taking Chantix."

All of this is, of course, completely unconfirmed and anecdotal. But according to this article
from Healthline.com with regard to mental illness and Chantix, there
haven't been a lot of studies on how the drug affects people with mood
disorders, mental illness, etc. Now, the few times I met Albrecht,
"good" or "pleasant" would be the only words I'd use to describe his
mood, so I’m not calling him crazy or anything else. But I think
there's strong evidence to suggest that something in Chantix has a
particularly significant emotional effect on some people. Throw booze
into the equation, and anything can happen. --Andrea Grimes"

 

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

MF, I don't particularly

MF, I don't particularly care if the "alleged drunken musician" graduated from SMU, Harvard, Yale, or all the above. I don't care if he played rock, Christian, or waltzes. I don't care if he could chug a fifth of Jack and simply burp when done. None of this excuses the fact that he was kicking and beating on the neighbor's door at 4:00 A.M.!!! For you to go off on the posters here who say they would defend themselves too is pure crap. I'll allow that maybe he wasn't the bad guy those here think him to be, but I'll also wager that he was not the angel you make him out to be.

You have said that the posters here are making caustic remarks about a man they didn't know. Well, I bet you know none of the posters you have disparaged on this thread. Take a step back and take a deep breath as you seem a little too close to the situation to think rationally right now.

Well, I do care.

Yeah, he was an angel..if you only knew..A man is measured by his friends and all..Come to the Parkview Baptist Church on Friday and know the man's character, see the throng that will mourn him. Not going off on those who would and should defend themselves..I am heartbroken for Mr. Logg as well. He was in an impossible situation, a nightmare scenario..you think he is sleeping just fine as some of these 'people' here pose that they would be.. Bull butter ..I am going off on the phony douchebags that think this is all as it should be, who would praise and applaud anyone shooting someone in the face through a door. If I pull it, I use it. But I don't prance around in the blood of those who have to be put down permanent. That pathetic display is one of fear and weakness.

And funny...are you actually saying that on a web site that portends to expose the inadequacies and biases of the MSM, you are taking at face value that what the papers reported is factual? "kicking and beating on the neighbor's door at 4:00 A.M."

Restless, thy name is beautiful irony.

What makes me better than those I am gigging? not much..save thatmy caustic comments are calling out their caustic comments (the evidence of their douchebaggery is available for all to evaluate and judge..as you have, fair enough.) Their caustic comments were based on nothing but pure mean spirited blackheartedness douchebagginess.

Not that I have set a new record for using the word douchebag and all of its derivatives in one night, I must retire.

BE well..

"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."

The irony joke is on you

"And funny...are you actually saying that on a web site that portends to
expose the inadequacies and biases of the MSM, you are taking at face
value that what the papers reported is factual? "kicking and beating on
the neighbor's door at 4:00 A.M.""

I read both of your links above, and both mentioned him hitting his girlfriend and beating on the neighbor's back door.

Quoted from Danny Balis 9/4/07:

"we've all read the updated story in the dallas morning news, and it seems pretty
accurate, according to the play-by-play of events she gave me throughout the
night. what we don't know is why he ended up at the next door neighbor's back
door, banging and kicking it at 4:06. nor do we know why carter