Sunday's New York Times led with Scott Shane and David Johnston's "Mining of Data Prompted Fight Over U.S. Spying," on what the intelligence reporters characterized as a fierce Justice Department debate over the use of "data mining" in the war on terror.
"A 2004 dispute over the National Security Agency's secret surveillance program that led top Justice Department officials to threaten resignation involved computer searches through massive electronic databases, according to current and former officials briefed on the program.
"It is not known precisely why searching the databases, or data mining, raised such a furious legal debate. But such databases contain records of the phone calls and e-mail messages of millions of Americans, and their examination by the government would raise privacy issues."
But when the New York Times does data mining, it's not only acceptable, but NYT Co. executives even brag about it to the company shareholders, as the libertine-liberal Village Voice pointed out (and NewsBusters' Matt Sheffield wrote about). Here's Voice reporter Keach Hagey from the May 1, 2007 Voice:
"Barely a year after their reporters won a Pulitzer prize for exposing data mining of ordinary citizens by a government spy agency, New York Times officials had some exciting news for stockholders last week: The Times company plans to do its own data mining of ordinary citizens, in the name of online profits.
"The news didn't make everyone all googly-eyed. In fact, some people at the paper's annual stockholders meeting in the New Amsterdam Theatre exchanged confused looks when Janet Robinson, the company's president and CEO, uttered the phrase 'data mining.' Wasn't that the nefarious, 21st-century sort of snooping that the National Security Agency was doing without warrants on American citizens? Wasn't that the whole subject of the prizewinning work in December 2005 by Times reporters Eric Lichtblau and James Risen?"
The Sunday Times also ran a related editorial that made some factual claims without evidence to back them up (hat-tip to the liberal blog Talking Points Memo).
"[FBI Director Robert Mueller and former deputy Attorney General James Comey] say that in March 2004 -- when Mr. Gonzales was still the White House counsel -- the Justice Department refused to endorse a continuation of the wiretapping program because it was illegal. (Mr. Comey was running the department temporarily because Attorney General John Ashcroft had emergency surgery.) Unwilling to accept that conclusion, Vice President Dick Cheney sent Mr. Gonzales and another official to Mr. Ashcroft’s hospital room to get him to approve the wiretapping."
Did Cheney really send Gonzales to Ashcroft's hospital room? Where is the Times getting its information?
Don Surber has more on other unverified aspects of the editorial.
—Clay Waters is the director of Times Watch, an MRC project tracking the New York Times.




















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If Bill Clinton supported data mining.. then?
July 30, 2007 - 16:04 ET by Gary HallClay - I apologize for the length of my comment, but as I read the article the column on Sunday, my thoughts went here: If Bill Clinton supported data mining.. and if the media put that right up on the table so that everyone understood that this is a solid and necessary debate, then would not this biased and partisan spin on the issue become an actual worthwhile national discussion, where the partisanship might cease, and we accomplish something worthwhile?
Just following the much heralded trashing of John Poindexter's Total Information Awareness (TIA), by the media, former President Clinton spoke at UC Davis, CA. In a speech, in which he contradicted himself (politically) at every turn, he presented the obvious - data mining is a necessity, in order to prevent attacks. Now, every time he made a point he immediately (and often, very awkwardly) attempted to appease his base by saying, but we have to protect our civil liberties. A close read, shows why Clinton was never able to accomplish much in protecting the US. Excerpt from Bill Clinton's Nov. 17, 2002, speech (my bold, and my comments, in ( )):
Gary - Are you talking
July 30, 2007 - 17:14 ET by drillanwrGary -
Are you talking about Echelon under Bill Clinton?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/221452.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/19/114807.shtml
The American Thinker article does a pretty good job on it:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/01/under_clinton_ny_times_called.html
drillanwr
July 30, 2007 - 18:42 ET by Gary Halldrillanwr - No, actually, I was not talking about Echlon. But as is presented in the American Thinker piece which you linked, a severe case of selective amnesia by media opponents of President Bush, is obvious in this discussion of data mining, as well.
Former President Clinton, in the 2002 speech, makes a great case for the need for data mining. The media opponents of Bush love Clinton. Why don't they listen to Clinton, then... and encourage Bush to do what Clinton said we should be doing?
Of course we know the answer - they want their cake and want to eat it too. (;~> gh
And what's even worse, is
July 30, 2007 - 19:16 ET by drillanwrAnd what's even worse, is the MSM and dems who hammer Bush (and the ignorant public) on this always present it as "The Bush Administration is spying on Americans" ... when that is completely wrong. On the other hand (the left one, of course) the American Thinker piece, and the other links, point out how Clinton DID use this to spy on actual Americans, especially political enemies. Rush Limbaugh occasionally reminds listeners of the complete absurdity that an elderly couple supposedly accidentally eavesdropped on a Newt Gingrich mobile phone call that cost him his Speakership and seat in the House.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n17_v13/ai_19392841
Data mining
July 30, 2007 - 16:27 ET by KC MulvilleWell, let's be clear about what data mining is. I create and maintain databases, and data mining is a normal function. But it has become "magic" jargon, and needs to be de-mythologized.
If you have a database filled with information, you can always look for trends. If you're selling bookbags, for instance, you look to see when the most number of bookbags are sold. That's how you know to re-stock your stores' inventory for maximum efficiency. For most items, you already have a general idea of what you're looking for. Data mining is what you do when you don't know what you're looking for. You don't query the database to discover anything specific ... you just tell the database to find trends, whatever they may be. Of course, most of the trends will confirm your expectations anyway, but data mining finds trends no matter what your expectations are. You're literally looking for trends without prejudice.
Data mining discourages you from pursuing data that fits your agenda, because data mining is deliberately researching without expectations. That's why all these "snooping" warnings are just crap -- they're trying to scare the public. Data mining is the opposite of political snooping. Of course, if you have a corrupt snooper, it won't matter ... just don't blame that corruption on the technique.
I completely agree. The
July 30, 2007 - 17:01 ET by mostlymoderateI completely agree. The phrase "data mining" is a deception. "Mining" gives the impression that the process is obtrusive, when it is not. There is nothing "obtrusive" with mining data that belongs to us. Why else have we spent trillions in data warehousing???
What was this report i
July 30, 2007 - 18:40 ET by TruthMongerWhat was this report i heard today about American's massively supporting the video cam traffic surveillance thingy - you know the same Americans that were supoosedly so outraged about Bush's terrorist surveillance program
I detected the usual stench of MSM bullshit inconsistency there again - silly me...
Exactly TM... The poll
July 30, 2007 - 21:51 ET by bigtimerExactly TM...
The poll for this was 71 per cent...
I was shocked, I really was.
The ACLU and the likes of Barry Lynn are besides themselves.
They have been slippin' on the job now haven't they?
I LMAO when I heard about the ACLU and their outrage.