We know how the media relished the fall of the GOP, and lovingly analyzed divisions within the party. But their beloved Democrats are falling apart before their eyes, and the strain is beginning to tell. The Blue Dog Democrats are for being the only thing between this nation and socialized medicine, a fact that has some liberals coming out swinging – literally, in at least one case.
“Social commentator” Nancy Giles appeared on the “Today Show” July 28 along with Dan Abrams and Willie Geist during Kathy Lee Gifford and Hota Kotb’s segment “News Flash.” The usually all small-talk segment got heated when it turned to health care.
Kotb posed the simple question “Do you guys think health care will pass…?” Abrams and Willie gave simple answers. Giles, however, got passionate.
“It better and I could punch every Blue Dog Democrat in the nose. And I’m a Democrat. I could punch them, I’m so annoyed. And I’m annoyed with Harry Reid. I better not find him in an elevator.”
Gifford, however, asked “Don’t you think it’s a good idea we read this thing before we pass it and rush something through? I doubt many of them have even read it. And I think we all got in trouble in Iraq because we rushed it. Why can’t we take our time and do it bipartisanly?”
Giles was not having it. Though she nodded her head when Gifford mentioned reading the bill, she protested, “It’s been 60 years!” Apparently Giles wouldn’t mind the rushed, partisan, doomed-to-fail health bill, that the Blue Dogs are trying to avert.
But apparently that’s the whole point, according to Dan Abrams, NBC’s chief legal analyst. Slowing down the process could threaten the bill’s status. “But this allows the critics to take out particular elements of it and say this is what it’s all about. And they can then highlight it because it’s very hard to understand the totality of it and put it into context.”
Gifford once again gave the obvious answer: “Let’s take the bad stuff out,” rather than try to hide them from the American people.
“But put in a government option, that’s definitely needed,” Giles preached. Apparently, she doesn’t understand the definition of “bad stuff.”
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Geez. Violent much?
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:15 ET by mattmGeez. Violent much? Typical spoiled brat libtard.
Jim Webb became a hero to
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:20 ET by motherbeltJim Webb became a hero to the Democrats for saying he felt like slugging President Bush.
I wonder if Nancy will be the newest object of their admiration!
...we can blame Rev. MLK
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:56 ET by TruthMonger...we can blame Rev. MLK jr. for promoting all of this black violence - thank you mr. model of passive/peaceful demonstration:(
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/passive_resistance.aspx
Palin/Prejean 2012
Should've added this.....
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:57 ET by motherbeltWhy aren't those Blue Dog Democrats lovingly called Mavericks ?
I thought the MSM looooved Mavericks!!
Harry Reid claims to be
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:29 ET by fitzfongHarry Reid claims to be some kind of former amateur boxer, so while I think most Conservatives could easily take him, Ms. Giles better bring more than a threat of a punch in the elevator. Maybe if she sat on him...
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
"Ms. Giles better bring
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:06 ET by ckc1227"Ms. Giles better bring more than a threat of a punch in the elevator. Maybe if she sat on him..."
Harry Reid is safe. Until they create a government program that punches out people for you, Ms. Giles will be puching out no one.
CAN SOMEBODY CLEAR THIS UP
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:41 ET by sajc05CAN SOMEBODY CLEAR THIS UP FOR ME?
I read the washington post article that says the "non partisan" think tank that the republicans, hannity and other have been quoting as "independent" numbers on health care - The Lewin Group - is actually wholly owned by United Health Group, one of the nations largest insurers....
IS THIS TRUE? have republicans just been quoting a gigantic lobby?
I don't like this bill one bit but I hate Lobbies and each side has them. And I'd hate to support people who are spoon fed numbers from lobbyists who would benefit financially from this bill going down.
I don't know and don't
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:14 ET by Chris NormanI don't know and don't care, because I don't look to any of those people for guidance. All I have to know instinctively is that government control, even participation in anything spells economic, social, and constitutional disaster. What has government done well that anyone can point to as an example of what a shining success government-run health care can be?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Oh, I see. So you'd give
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:33 ET by fitzfongOh, I see. So you'd give your right to choose your own health insurance in favor of socialized "health" "care" because some lobbyists put money into a study favorable to their case? Guess what? That's the way the game is played. You have to determine what your own ideology is and govern your choices for yourself based on your ideology. I don't care what a study one way or the other says. If I read/hear about a study, I consider the source and make my decisions accordingly. Are you going to let your life be governed by polls, studies and battles of "experts" or are you going to think for yourself?
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Fitz,I think we may have
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:46 ET by Chris NormanFitz,
I think we may have here one of those "moderates", who "like to listen to both sides to see who has the better ideas" without any guiding instincts or principles to judge them by. That's one reason why government control swings wildly from one side to the other.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris, You might be
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:26 ET by fitzfongChris,
You might be right. I'm inclined, however, to think that we're dealing with a standard troll. He air-dropped this turd (word-for-word!) on the Bill Maher thread, as well.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
i'm not a "troll" but a
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 12:01 ET by sajc05i'm not a "troll" but a libertarian. not some lurking liberal, but a conservative that has disdain for both parties.
I've been looking everywhere for honest, non partisan numbers on healthcare reform and all i can find is something from a left wing think tank or a right wing one.
I do not like a single payer option to our health care problem. but i do not like the people who represent us getting their info from people who are only looking at dollar signs or bottom lines. i want a bill that is best for the american people, not a billion dollar lobby,
In my state health insurance has become a monopoly chasing out any competition and driving up prices, while their MO is deny deny deny... something has to be done about that
and i posted that twice because i thought the other thread was old. just wanted some feedback because i loath lobbyists, and the founders would vomit if they ever saw how controlled our gov't is by them.
sajc
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 12:15 ET by BlondeIf you want to do some research on Health Care Reform....I'd suggest the Forums (under Off Topic)....I started a thread there about five months ago, titled Health Care Reform a la Socialists or WTH?
Lots of great info and links about all sorts of issues, as well as links to and analysis of some of the bills that are currently floating around. It'll take you a while to read it (and all of the links)....but there's truly a wealth of information there.
Hope that helps.
I hope he fails, too.
getting their info from
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 20:48 ET by fitzfonggetting their info from people who are only looking at dollar signs or bottom lines. i want a bill that is best for the american people, not a billion dollar lobby,
something has to be done about that
And you claim to be a libertarian? With that rhetoric, you sound like a Bill O'Reilly/Mike Huckabee populist (and that's being generous)...i.e., when you've reached the limit of your comprehension of free market capitalism, you slip into "feel good" class warfare platitudes and hint at supporting more government regulation.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
I don't like this bill one
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:10 ET by motherbeltI don't like this bill one bit but I hate Lobbies and each side has
them. And I'd hate to support people who are spoon fed numbers from
lobbyists who would benefit financially from this bill going down.
And exactly who do you think is going to publicize any numbers for insurance companies if they don't do it for themselves....the media?
<Chris Matthews imitation> HA!
LOL here mb... Of course
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:16 ET by bigtimerLOL here mb...
Of course I agree with your sentiments, it's your Matthews imitation that has me still chucklin'...very fitting.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
What about one of the
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:17 ET by MidAmericaWhat about one of the most influential lobbying organizations in Washington, the unions. Would she consider them bad?
...along with the Trial
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:23 ET by bigtimer...along with the Trial lawyers, the greenie groups etc.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Retard libtards
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 16:53 ET by sevenWe have to fix the schools and ramp up graduation rates and litteracy so the Dems can read it. By then they will be tossed in the funnel that dumps them in a hospice
Government Health Care
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:14 ET by slickwillie2001Democratics are frantically trying to shut down use of the term 'Government Health Care'. They deny the Republicans the use of free postage franking privileges for any mailings using that term. On Fox News last night I saw the usual two talking heads going at it, one a democratic and the other a Republican, and the dem would not allow the use of that term. He persisted until the wimpy Republican called it something else. Democratics are trying to change over to calling it a 'Public' plan (vs a 'Private' insurance plan as we have now).
This tells me that the democratics have polled the term and it must be polling horribly negative. Therefore, we that are opposed to socialized medicine should use the words 'Government Health Care' at every opportunity. Accept nothing else.
One mo' time!
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:20 ET by Chris Norman"And I’m annoyed with Harry Reid. I better not find him in an elevator.”
Gee, ya think Sergeant Crowley will volunteer to respond to that call?
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
First of all, I can't
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 17:18 ET by msh1973First of all, I can't believe Kathie Lee Gifford is even on NBC, but I guess she needs a paycheck. Oh well. You will notice that Kathie Lee treads softly when dealing with the stacked deck, she is out numbered as is Elizabeth on the View. Get a clue Kathie Lee, no one on NBC wants your opinion, you need to be nice and let all the lib guests tell you how it is. Just keep you mouth shut, be pretty and keep the liberal agenda moving.
Based on Giles comments
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:05 ET by acumenI'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the job description for "social commentator" doesn't include making comments that are social.
I remember not so long ago when social commentators were considered by society as simply nut-cases that slung a sign over their shoulders and hung out on street corners. Of course that was around the same time street agitators weren't even remotely considered Presidential material. I see NBC has decided to elevate the status of both.
They should thank him!
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:32 ET by Chris Normanac,
So, Ronald Reagan, who "dumped" mental patients on the street by closing state mental hospitals (like the liberals accuse him of), made possible the staffing of MSNBC and much of CNN, et al? :)
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Lol Chris... Well, at
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:37 ET by bigtimerLol Chris...
Well, at least they can't blame Bush for this one...Reagan will have to suffice...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Sounds about right to me Chris
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 15:54 ET by acumenAnd to take it a step further, the former mental patients/establishment media staffers are then hired by Barry. When we elect Romney in 2012 I guess they go backwards through the same process. A cyclical thingy?
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:21 ET by jessieHGiles may want to punch the blue dog dems. in the nose, but what the people will do to them is a lot worse. These dems. are smarter than the rest of the fools in office. They know that to pass this piece of s**t legislation, they have no future in politics. They need to READ it, and READ it again, to make shure there is no pork, or fraud, or anything else in it that would hurt the people.
I think it would be a truly
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:28 ET by NL207I think it would be a truly wonderful thing if Giles carried out her threat. The next best would be for her to repeat herself often in public.
These lefties talk about how dangerous the right wingnuts are. they should listen to themselves sometime.
Punch?
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:34 ET by m4ster chiefFrom looking at her picture I'd say she's big enough to kick the crap out of most of them. Anyway, I think "punch in the nose" is actually her polite way of saying "kick them in the knutz..."
"Allies to Land at Normandy Tomorrow!" New York Times headline; June 5, 1944 (h/t M. Malkin)
Wonder why much of the
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:45 ET by MidAmericaWonder why much of the country is mis-informed? (I know we know why) Just read this AP report on Yahoo and it makes the current debate and delay over healthcare as simply a wait to get some Republicans on board. You know, those evil Republicans are at it again, stopping what the country said it wanted in the last election. No mention of Blue-dog democrats.
That's an actual job? "Social Commentator"?
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 18:47 ET by krendlerIs "social commentator" a euphemism for "unemployed with no marketable skills"?
I wonder what was next on her busy schedule, after the grueling Today show segment concluded? More commenting, I'm sure, on all-things-social.
And dare to contradict her on an elevator and prepare to be physically assaulted, I guess. How nice.
It's amazing to watch NBC, CNN et al trot out these so called panels of "experts" that consist of nothing but complete imbeciles who happen to have the requisite liberal viewpoint.
"This allows people to pick at it"
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 19:08 ET by TexndocWe officially live in a coo-koo clock. So you can't know the details of the bill, because "you'll pick at them". Not having the option to purchase any insurance plan you want? Any illegal covered for free with no "penalty" while American citizens have "penalties"? Threats once again against physicians with jail if they practice their profession as they want? Quit picking.
Have people figured out yet
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 20:41 ET by nadadhimmiHave people figured out yet that laws don't apply to black people in general and black Obama supporters in particular?
Nice of NBC to green light
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 20:47 ET by Dan DiegoNice of NBC to green light physical violence againist Obama foes. Will Nancy be standing at the Capitol building entrance in a black jumpsuit with a club in her hand. Maybe Holder at her side?
Nancy Who?
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 23:28 ET by blazermaniacDoes this mean that Nancy Giles is a "SOCIALIST?"
you know what I would love to see
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 21:26 ET by candanceSome conservie group should publish a census of exactly how many people in Canada have no family doctor. Let's stop talking about "access to insurance" and get down to the point of "access to a doctor."
I thought there was a
Tue, 07/28/2009 - 21:32 ET by Radical1979I thought there was a government option, it's called medicare/medicaid.
“But put in a government option, that’s definitely needed,” Giles preached
this is NOT normal, civilized behavior
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 00:00 ET by snaggletoothieWhen a lefty puts forth a violent solution to a policy question they all sit there and act like it is normal, civilized behavior.
Folks, this is NOT normal, civilized behavior. A lefty's lack of self-control has further degraded political deliberation.
thugin it up
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 05:03 ET by cwnelson79Now now, it is not nice to let your thug out so openly. I am gonna pull a liberal trick, and say that she is racist, since she said she would hit a white man, harry reid. Obviously she is a whitey hating racist who doesn't understand the plight of the white man. She is just trying to keep a cracker down. All this violence, no more rap for her.
Once Again...
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 08:50 ET by Meredith1966Once again no one thinks to ask the most obvious question of the panel of experts--"Can any of you point to the clause or passage in our Constitution which mandates a government, 'public option' for providing health insurance? Isn't this something best left to the States as covered by the 10th Amendment?". Unlike many in government (or among the 'social commentator' career field), I've read the whole document and still haven't found anything about health care, nothing about 'Congress shall have the power to authorize health insurance', nothing like that. I guess this is what is meant by a Living Constitution--we want to do it, so the power exists, even if it isn't written down. And, I do know about the concept of Implied Powers, but providing health insurance isn't one of them.
Hey, does this rant make me a 'Social Commentator'? Can I get on "The Today Show"?
"The words of a President have an enormous weight and ought not to be used indiscriminately." - Calvin Coolidge
GO BLUE DOGS
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:17 ET by DelsaThank GOD someone is attempting to save this country!
I pray they ALL hold together and don't cave!
Let's all get together and B Slap Giles.....and Nancy.....and Harry....
The blue dogs are not doing
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:36 ET by NL207The blue dogs are not doing this for America. They all represent more conservative districts whose people no doubt oppose a government takeover of healthcare. They are doing this out of fear.
dumb as a box of rocks
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 09:25 ET by RousseNancy Giles was a good actor. I wish she would go back to acting. Because you can be dumb as a box of rocks and still be a good actor.
OK, so
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 10:34 ET by DelsaGO BLUE DOG CONSTITUENTS!
Blue Dogs are still more conservative than regular Dems and if their unintended choice saves us then so be it!
Blue Dog Cash
Wed, 07/29/2009 - 11:13 ET by slickwillie2001Blue Dogs getting campaign contributions from this, but are they from supporters that want them to oppose Obamacare, or from liberals that want to push them into voting for it?
Blue Dogs Rake in Cash: http://www.redstate.com
This is one case where the Tea Parties and other protests including phone calls in the Congressman's district will speak to him or her louder than contributions.