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What’s the Hippocratic Oath to an Enlightened Pro-Abortion Med Student?
The Hippocratic Oath means nothing to medical student Rozalyn Farmer Love. Not only did her June 7th op-ed in The Washington Post demonstrate the left’s logically and morally flawed argument in favor of abortion, but it also raises concerns about those who are entering the medical field and the morals they feel free to ignore.
Love, who plans to become an obstetrician-gynecologist dreams “of delivering healthy babies, working with families and supporting midwifery,” but was writing in an attempt to justify her own support for abortion, even while she asserted that “When I advocate for reproductive rights, for choice, I don't claim that abortion is morally acceptable.” A large part of the article was devoted to Love describing how she went from a family of pro-lifers to an active participant in the pro-choice movement. She presented her own case as a black sheep in a stifling family: “I began to feel as if I were leading a double life. At school, the choices I saw women struggling with were forcing me to question my old convictions. When I went home, I'd go to church with my parents but would find that my views contrasted starkly with those I heard in the sermons. It was a difficult time, because I felt that neither my family nor my church would welcome my questions or understand my struggle.” Love painted her parents as the stereotypical close-minded conservatives, who misunderstood their enlightened daughter’s beliefs (like living with her fiancée.) Apparently she, and her equally oppressed friends, grew up somewhere resembling Puritan Salem. She related how she was “shocked at how little many of my friends – women who were studying biology and planning to become doctors – knew about their own sexual health.” It seems that Love equated not using birth control to lack of sexual knowledge. She claimed, “They didn't know about or couldn't get the reproductive health care they needed because of barriers put up by their culture, their religion and their parents, whose sole contribution to sex ed was generally an unspoken "Thou shalt not!" Under the oppressive eyes of their Taliban parents, these unfortunate young women suffered the “barriers” of a traditional morality. How terrible. When talking about a friend who needed to come up with an excuse to go on birth control, Love stated, “She was sexually active and didn't want to get pregnant.” The possibility that her friend should perhaps practice abstinence if she wanted to avoid a pregnancy does not seem to have ever crossed Love’s mind. But despite her switch to the pro-choice side of the abortion issue, Love claimed that she does not belief “that abortion is morally acceptable.” To justify this dichotomy in her belief system, Love used the age-old “it’s personal” excuse, saying, “I think that it's a very private, intensely personal decision.” Further, stories from the pre-Roe v. Wade days of women who suffered from “botched abortions” helped her reach her decision. She explained, “And I believe that it's immoral to let them die rather than provide them with safe, competent care.” So to get it straight: Love does not think abortion is morally acceptable, yet she is willing to help women perform this non-morally acceptable act to protect them. It is worth mentioning that never in her article did Love claim that a fetus is not a human life. So in essence, she is willing to play God, actively choosing the life of the mother above the life of the baby. There are other flaws in Love’s argument. Although she admitted she has “never witnessed an actual abortion procedure,” she declared that descriptions of partial-birth abortion procedures (“when the baby's head emerges, the doctor jabs a pair of scissors into the back of its neck, severing the spinal cord” ) were “misleading and graphically politicized.” Not only was she incapable of backing this up with actual experience, but she did not offer any description in the place of the one she found so deceptive, nor did she give any reasoning or evidence for why it is so. Love also presented an anecdote about a woman and husband whose baby had been diagnosed with a lethal congenital anomaly. If the woman waited and gave birth to the baby, “she might be waiting for almost 20 more weeks to give birth to a baby that would never take more than a few breaths on its own.” Love rightly asserts that carrying a baby that in “high likelihood” would not survive for very long would be a tragedy for the mother. But a medical student should know that “high likelihood” is not guaranteed, and that many times babies are misdiagnosed in the womb But to Love, the certainty of a mother’s emotional pain outweighs the uncertainty of giving the baby a chance for life. Since in this particular case the pregnancy was so far along that most doctors would not perform an abortion, the woman’s options were few. But Love knew what she needed: the newest martyr of the pro-abortion culture. She stated dramatically, “They needed a caring and compassionate physician to help them through this dark moment, and if they chose not to continue the pregnancy, they also needed a physician who was both skilled enough and brave enough to provide them with the care they needed. They needed Dr. Tiller.”
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Elected Republican officials and abortion
June 9, 2009 - 09:23 ET by shawn228I realize that the evil democrats are to blame for abortion and all that is wrong with the world but I am curious about something and I honestly don't know the answer and if someone can help me, I would much appreciate it.
With the exception of President Bush making late term abortions illegal and some states like ND making it harder to get a abortion, which republicans officials have been pro active in trying to overturn Roe V Wade? They had complete control of congress from 04-06 I did not see not one attempt to overturn it. I did not see Alito or Roberts speak out against it either. So again has there been any attempts in the past few years to overturn Roe V Wade?
He had my vote
That's the problem
June 9, 2009 - 10:01 ET by KC MulvilleThere is no abortion debate. Ever since Roe v. Wade, the issue remains entirely within the domain of the Supreme Court. All of these public debates are little more than academic discussions. The Court simply stole the issue, taking it out of the hands of the public, rendering all public opinion irrelevant.
Four liberal justices (replace Souter with Sotomayor) support the idea that there is a constitutional "right" to abortion that is nowhere stated in the Constitution. Four conservatives believe that there is no such right. The issue right now stands in the opinion delivered in the Casey v. Planned Parenthood. That opinion simply declared that abortion is a right, even though the Court has abandoned Roe as the legal justification.
No action in Congress can possibly overturn the Court, so it has been a waste of time for any member to start anything. It isn't that Congress is cowardly - there's simply nothing they can do. The only other possibility is to amend the Constitution, and that was the point behind the Human Life Amendment, but that went nowhere.
Overturning the abortion decision has nothing to do with public debate, or how the citizenry feels or argues about abortion. It's entirely in the Supreme Court. The only way to change it is to elect a president who will nominate justices who abide by the law, and don't steal public policy and legislate by judicial fiat.
Perfectly, to the point.
June 9, 2009 - 12:03 ET by pahuberThis is how abortion was 'legislated' then... and now (w/ a few state wide exceptions).
Hi KC
June 9, 2009 - 22:01 ET by shawn228I might be misinterpreting, but you are saying abortion is pretty much settled law unless there is an amendment?
He had my vote
Settled law
June 10, 2009 - 01:23 ET by KC MulvilleI knew I shouldn't have checked back in tonight. Now I can't go to bed until I give a decent answer to that, and it's going to take some careful thinking, which takes time. So thanks a lot, shawn!
"Settled law" is a loaded term. It all has to do with precedent. Now to be clear, "precedent" serves the same function in law that "assumptions" serve in philosophy. I spend a lot of time worrying about assumptions in philosophy. No philosophy can exist without assumptions. Why? Because you can't re-think everything from scratch, every time. You just don't have time. Human beings couldn't exist if we had to deliberate and consciously think about everything we do. The only way to survive is to take some beliefs for granted. You have to make assumptions before you can grapple with new ideas. You can't rethink your entire philosophy from scratch every time.
In law, precedent performs the same function. The system of law can't survive if we re-litigate every principle, during every case. Sooner or later, a law says that we're not going to re-think the issue anymore. What's law is law. It's settled. Get over it.
The supporters of abortion argue that the issue is settled. Roe v. Wade was decided more than thirty years ago, and the Court has not overruled it, so by most standards, the law has clearly decided the issue. And to be clear, as citizens of this country, we all have to abide by the law. The current law is clearly that a fetus can be killed up until the point of viability, without any restrictions. Like it or not, anyone who procures an abortion is not committing a crime.
But, just like philosophical assumptions, no legal precedent is absolute. They overturned Plessy v. Ferguson, and rightly so. Precedent only goes so far. The stinging part of the abortion "settled law" is that precedent never settled the issue. According to that most recent poll, despite thirty years of the Supreme Court sustaining abortion, most people in this country are pro-life. Law hasn't settled the issue.
What went wrong here? We have a government system that rests, ultimately, on the consent of the governed. The normal process of making law is that elected representatives respond to the political process, and laws are passed by majorities. The court doesn't create law. It only serves to fix conflicts between laws, or between law and common practice. The court's interpretation of law follows the creation of it. The political process makes law first, and then the judicial process follows after.
Since the Court never asked for the consent of the governed, it's hollow and disingenuous to ask the public to accept the law that they created just because of precedent. Precedent doesn't trump the consent of the governed.
Abortion law in this country is like an arranged marriage. The consent was false, or given under duress. There was no actual consent, therefore there is no marriage. You can't turn around afterwards and claim that it's a marriage, just because you had a ceremony. In the same way, abortion law doesn't have the consent of the governed ... you can't turn around now and claim it's "settled law," just because you had precedents.
It doesn't work like that
June 9, 2009 - 10:13 ET by danebramageWho ever said it was a party issue? There are pro-life Democrats and pro-abortion Republicans. It is a philosophical issue, and the principles that underlie the leftist philosophy naturally lead one to a pro-abortion stance. Vice versa with right-wing political philosophy. The two major political parties in America tend to each cater to one side in the debate, but there are people who belong to both parties who don't really, in the final analysis, belong in them.
As for why no one challenges Roe v. Wade, it's because the only way to challenge it is to pass a Constitutional Amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority in Congress to pass and is, for that reason, right now essentially un-doable. The only alternative to that is to elect pro-life judges who may hear a case allowing them to overturn Roe v. Wade. Presidents, the Congress, and the States have a limited ability to affect the availability of abortion services in the U.S., but in no case can they override the fundamental decision in Roe v. Wade rendered by the Supreme Court.
So the answer is: there has been a titanic struggle over the last several decades to get RvW overturned by appointing sympathetic judges to the Court. But SC slots don't open up very often, and when they do, judges and their political supporters must tread lightly due to the extreme hostility of politicians on the other side--politicians who are free to approve or disapprove the President's choices.
Who ever said it was a party issue?
June 9, 2009 - 22:06 ET by shawn228I would say many people on this site would say this is a party issue. In fact there have been several NB articles highlighting how important it is to keep social issues alive in the Republican party. A pro choice person has little chance of getting the Republican nomination and pro life person has no chance of getting the Democratic nomination.
He had my vote
"So in essence, she is
June 9, 2009 - 09:49 ET by IndyAdam"So in essence, she is willing to play God, actively choosing the life of the mother above the life of the baby."
Didn't you mean "...actively choosing the CONVENIENCE of the mother above the life of the baby"?
semantics
June 9, 2009 - 09:59 ET by sanskritgWhy equate choice with convenience?
Because that is exactly what it is.
June 9, 2009 - 12:05 ET by pahuberThe feminists view abortion as empowerment over 'their own' bodies.
Problem is... the baby inside is not their body.
Painted
June 9, 2009 - 09:57 ET by sanskritgI'm not sure I understand the criticism of writer's depiction of her parents as "stereotypical close-minded conservatives".
Don't conservatives usually call anybody voting Democratic as "stereotypical close-minded liberals"?
The hypocritic oath?
June 9, 2009 - 11:29 ET by retroconhmmm...
Sick and sad...
June 9, 2009 - 12:13 ET by Bighead227There was a time when we could be very confident that a person with such limited brain power, as indicated by her poor writing and reasoning ability, could ever graduate medical school. But now...???
This young woman who has
June 9, 2009 - 12:31 ET by suzycreamcheeseThis young woman who has never seen an abortion procedure might have a change of heart IF she becomes an ob/gyn and delivers babies to overjoyed parents. It's easy to talk tough when you've never seen a thriving 18-week-old baby bouncing around on an u/s. I think this woman is all talk and won't be any action later in her life. She seems to childishly view herself as some crusader.
“I think that it's a very
June 9, 2009 - 17:36 ET by GrannyGrump42“I think that it's a very private, intensely personal decision.”
So was John List's decision to terminate his mother, wife, and three children. And his reasons were remarkably akin to the reasons often put forth as perfectly rational and reasonable reasons for abortion.
And hey, he agonized about it first. That makes it all okay.
"I don't go around gratuitously shooting people and then bragging about it seedy space ranger bars. I go around gratuitously shooting people and then I agonize about it with my girlfriend!" -- Cop, "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", by Douglas Adams
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June 9, 2009 - 19:05 ET by ClarinetAndrew"I think I liked it better when they where shooting at us!" Ford Prefect
Further, stories from the
June 9, 2009 - 17:38 ET by GrannyGrump42Further, stories from the pre-Roe v. Wade days of women who suffered from “botched abortions” helped her reach her decision. She explained, “And I believe that it's immoral to let them die rather than provide them with safe, competent care.”
But it's okay if they die from the "safe, competent care" provided by a modern legal abortionist. Like these women:
Ah, the joys of "safe and legal"!
I thank goodness for your post Granny
June 9, 2009 - 22:26 ET by general companyBut they almost always make me want to cry. I hope you post some of these links in liberal land
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You can read here about a
June 9, 2009 - 20:21 ET by GrannyGrump42You can read here about a squeamish "prochoice" medical student who decided abortion wasn't for her after all:
http://realchoice.bl...
"It's a lot more invasive than I thought," she said. "A papaya doesn't bleed and scream." Women do.
"...I'd go to church with
June 9, 2009 - 22:18 ET by m4ster chief"...I'd go to church with my parents but would find that my views contrasted starkly with those I heard in the sermons."
lol...the Scribes and Pharisees' views contrasted starkly with Jesus' sermons also, and they were condemned accordingly. When the death demon inhabits a human heart, "abortion" becomes "choice," and the sight of a mutilated baby is, to the killer, no more troubling than a nice steak tartare.
"Allies to Land at Normandy Tomorrow!" New York Times headline; June 5, 1945
(h/t M. Malkin)
Thanks for the blog link
June 9, 2009 - 22:29 ET by suzycreamcheese<i>"It was definitely gruesome," she said. "You could make out what a
fetus could look like, tiny feet, lungs, but it didn't look like a
person."</i>
Well, no, I'm sure it didn't look like a person because its private womb was invaded, it was hacked to pieces, and therefore was not allowed to grow into a "person." How dense are these knuckle draggers?
Thanks for the blog link
June 9, 2009 - 22:29 ET by suzycreamcheese<i>"It was definitely gruesome," she said. "You could make out what a
fetus could look like, tiny feet, lungs, but it didn't look like a
person."</i>
Well, no, I'm sure it didn't look like a person because its private womb was invaded, it was hacked to pieces, and therefore was not allowed to grow into a "person." How dense are these knuckle draggers?
Tragic births
June 9, 2009 - 22:53 ET by cocodrieSeveral years before I was born my mom gave birth to my brother Joseph, He died a few days later. Three years later she gave birth to my brother Calvin. He died at birth. These deaths were tragic for her but they would have been even more devastating if she had caused their deaths.
Dr Tiller was a very evil person responsible for untold numbers of tragic violent deaths.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you