What do you do to unwind at the end of the day? Read a book? Take a bath? Watch some TV? Well, maybe you should think about smoking some pot. At least that's the latest advice from NBC's "Today" show.
On Sept. 30 an entire segment was devoted to discussing the positive aspects of pot smoking and included a pitch for legalization. "Today's" Matt Lauer interviewed Joanna Coles, the editor-in-chief of Marie Claire, about the magazine's recent article "Stiletto Stoners," which highlighted "educated, career-minded, successful women" who are "casual, recreational" pot smokers.
Coles said that these "Stiletto Stoners" are "highly functioning women who - you know - these are not people who are lying on park benches - the typical picture of someone who's addicted to drugs. They're casual, recreational users who find it very effective."
Coles blamed the economy as "a great source of stress for people and they wanted a way to unwind." She went on to claim marijuana was replacing alcohol. "And they found more and more of them were doing this [smoking marijuana] and they found it had less impact on them when they were going to work the next morning. So, they didn't want to drink. It's cheap and they felt they could do it in the privacy of their own home and it was a very effective way to calm down," said Coles.
Lauer asked psychiatrist Julie Holland, of the New York City School of Medicine, if the women in the article were ignoring a "darker side of this issue" by comparing marijuana to a relaxing glass of a wine. Holland not only reassured him, she said marijuana's even better than wine:
Well, it is a drug like alcohol is a drug or like coffee, caffeine, cigarettes. So, it's just - it's very different than alcohol. It's more of a mind drug. I feel alcohol's sort of a deadening, numbing, maybe more like a body drug. So, people are unwinding and they're relaxing, but they're also able to think and maybe analyze or think clearly, pull back and see the macro, maybe make some changes in their lives. I think that cannabis [marijuana] is more of a psycho-therapeutic drug; it could actually be more helpful than alcohol - certainly in terms of insomnia or depression, anxiety. It could potentially be a treatment or a medicine.
Dr. Holland couldn't just stop there. She also advocated for the legalization of marijuana:
Well, the fact that it's illegal is a very big deal, you know. People have to hide and they feel like criminals and there's a lot of shame and guilt, and it ends up making - you know - it decreases self-esteem a little bit and it makes it more adrenalized. The fact that you add adrenaline into it and you have to hide and you have shame can make it more addictive and it can make it more dangerous ... I think the behavior needs to be normalized.
And just in case you needed more convincing, Coles reminded us that "it's decriminalized in 13 states ... And honestly, it's not very difficult to get ... We talked to people who had dealers in their offices."
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I always suspected that...
October 1, 2009 - 08:02 ET by ApodicticGnat Liar wanted large breasts.
Pot vs Booze
October 1, 2009 - 08:03 ET by beauxdogWow... what a dilema.
I confess that as a young man I had an episode or two of getting high and playing dungeons-n-dragons. I got married and the wife said "no more" and that was that.
I have read plenty of stories on the evils of mariuana. It is so hard to decide what is truth and what is propaganda. Regardless, I would rather encounter someone high than someone drunk.
On the other hand, if you legalize it, you are giving it tacit approval. Though I don't approve of drinking... that doesn't stop me from lifting a glass.
Some claim it is a gateway drug, but it never was for me. I never even wanted to try anything harder. I guess it all depends on the individual.
Think of the damage to organized crime if we took away one of their biggest money makers? Think of the prison space we would free up. Think of the taxes that could be raised. Think of the crime that could be reduced by making it affordable, even with taxes. Think of the damage a high indivdual can do to himself and society. This is a tough one.
I could play the race card... pot was outlawed because back in the day, it was the high of choice of people of color.
I am rambling... Ramble on, sing my song.
Thank you.
Beauxdog
"Listening to you, I get the music. Gazing at you, I get the heat. Following you, I climb the mountains. I get excitement at your feet." Tommy - The Who (or is it the MSM?)
Thank you for your post
October 1, 2009 - 10:34 ET by chronicI couldn't agree more with your reasoning on this issue. I think the good outwieghs the bad to legalize. With the propoganda of the evils of pot also creates harder drug use. If a kid hears about how pot will make him a loser and he tries it and is still the same person, than what would make him believe the problems of coke or LSD. If the problems with pot were truthful(harmful to lungs) the "war" on drugs would be more successful.
It's all William Randolph Hearst fault!
Are the dangers of marijuana
October 1, 2009 - 12:55 ET by allanfon display each morming on the Today Show?
But what about the dangers of...
October 1, 2009 - 08:04 ET by Red Jeep...2nd hand pot smoke? Can little kids get high from Mommy's 2nd hand pot smoke?
Let's legalize it, tax the hell out of it and promise to use the money for child health care, that'll make it OK to legalize it.
Idiots on the left actually say pot is safe
October 1, 2009 - 08:40 ET by kgIdiots on the left actually say pot is safe. Studies prove pot is 20 times more dangerous than cigarettes. Perhaps they will next look at the positive side of smoking tobacco.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
True, but only the most
October 1, 2009 - 09:55 ET by JasonCTrue, but only the most excessive pot smoker smokes even 1/20 the amount as a typical cigarette smoker.
Say you smoke half a pack a day. 10 Cigarettes. And what, maybe 10-15 drags per butt? 100-150 drags per day.
A pot smoker gets high in probably 3-4 hits. Obviously this is unscientific and highly variable, but my point is, an addicted cigarette smoker is going to be smoking a whole lot more by volume than the kind of person described in this article, i.e. the professional who tokes down a pipe after a long day.
And Jason, to reinforce your
October 1, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Another Dead KennedyAnd Jason, to reinforce your argument, you might want to drag out those "death by marijuana" statistics again.
xoxo - Ted
I would, but I'd be afraid
October 1, 2009 - 12:14 ET by JasonCI would, but I'd be afraid that those who think pot is so awful would accuse me of using well-worn, liberal-talking-point facts to make my point.
After all, "You can use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -H.J.S.
One thing remains true
October 1, 2009 - 12:59 ET by Another Dead KennedyOne thing remains true (okay, 3 things): Tobacco users will continue to defend cigarette use, Alcohol lovers will continue to defend their booze, and Pot users will always defend pot use.
It's always going to be my drug against your drug.
xoxo - Ted
President Bill Maher will
October 1, 2009 - 09:49 ET by nicksmith112President Bill Maher will find a way to give pot away to the needy in his 2016 "STIMULUS" plan.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Gullible
October 1, 2009 - 08:09 ET by nadadhimmiSure Laur wants people to smoke dope. Who's gonna believe a word the msm says unless they're high as high as a kite.
Love this site but...
October 1, 2009 - 08:20 ET by changein2012I know many successful and well adjusted people who were tokers in school and never quit. These are business people, fathers, mothers and even law enforcement officials. Not one of them has ever had any issues pursuing a more potent drug, marijuana simply replaced the drinking habits of college. I have personally seen alcohol ruin several lives, I have never seen marijuana do this. There are always exceptions to the rule. Some folks are just addictive by nature and wether it is drugs, alcohol or gambling, they will fail at life. I also would rather encounter a stoner than a drunk.
I have in fact seen many
October 1, 2009 - 08:58 ET by kgI have in fact seen many marriages end because of smoking pot. I have also seen many auto accidents because of it. Implying that there is no harm, both physically and mentally, to you or others while you are stumbling around and delirious except in extreme cases is irresponsible and foolish.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
This is an issue very near
October 1, 2009 - 08:21 ET by BKeyserThis is an issue very near an dear to my heart. Folks will try and say that pot is not a gateway drug- that it's not addictive, and nearly harmless if used in moderation. But there's some inherent problems with that position. It is rare that initial exposure comes for mature adults. Use begins for most as a teenager- a person not fully educated and without the normal stresses and responsibilities of adulthood. As such, they tend to use in the vein of their peers and depending on the the area, access can be greater than the "casual user" may be able to control and refrain.
I believe that it is this access, or environment, that leads to harder drug use. This is what I've witnessed in my own family, and have seen it, thus far, temporarily destroy the maturation of someone very close to me. He has become addicted to marijuana, something that most doctors and psychologists believe is increasingly evident among teens and college-aged adults. In my family-members case, it is a co-occurrence issue involving depression/anxiety, and self-medicating by way of marijuana. This self-medicating, and the exposure to people selling marijuana has created a number of seedy relationships, and eventually experimentation into harder and more dangerous drugs such as prescription opiates, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroine.
Now, I realize that not everyone spirals into the use of heavier drugs, but I do think that the potential is there for a lot of folks as the access to these drugs increases. And while advocates for legalized marijuana claim that there is no physical addition properties to the drug, and is thereby not a gateway drug, personal experience in my life has proved otherwise.
Currently, I am trying to help this person, whom I love with my every being, to kick this terrible and debilitating habit, and watching him struggle every day with cravings and the pressures placed upon him by peers. It is a vicious circle with depression leading to drug use which furthers his depression and so forth. It is difficult to treat since its so hard to determine if symptoms are from the drug use and detox, or another chemical imbalance causing the depression. And with so many teens struggling with depression and anxiety in this country, and so many more just being shown the way into extensive medication for oft-misdiagnosed mental disorders such as ADHD, we're creating a culture of dependency.
In my view, it is irresponsible at a minimum and criminal at worst for NBC to promote any kind of unregulated and illegal drug use even by omission of its potential harmful effects.
If cirgarettes (nicotine
October 1, 2009 - 08:25 ET by dscottIf cirgarettes (nicotine delivery system) are bad for you because the smoke enters your lungs, think of how much worse marijuana (THC delivery system) smoking is for your lungs, especially on an unfiltered roach! This is sheer hypocrisy on the part of liberals. They get up on their self righteous high horse decrying the evils of tobbaco smoking but then turn around to advocate another form of smoking that is literally worse for the body. Here we have an example of a liberal quack doctor saying marijuana is better for you than a glass of wine? Marijuana is bad for your heart (never mind the lungs), wine isn't. There is no amount of moderation in which marijuana is good for you unlike one glass of wine. What a bunch of morons.
Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20–100 percent shortly after smoking;
this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that
marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in
the first hour after smoking the drug.7
This may be due to the increased heart rate as well as effects of
marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This
risk may be greater in aging populations or those with cardiac
vulnerabilities.
Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and
to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70
percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke.
Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer
than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to
carcinogenic smoke...
http://www.nida.nih....
Hey Lauer, in less than 5 minutes I pulled up health information that should have been discussed on your program to balance what that quack you brought on dissembled. Maybe you should fire your Producer for being an idiot and making you look like an idiot. You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting a product that is BAD for a person's health. You're just as bad as the tobbacco companies for obfuscating the health effects for the product you are advocating.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Have you ever smoked pot, or
October 1, 2009 - 12:06 ET by Another Dead KennedyHave you ever smoked pot, or are you just throwing someone else's research at us?
xoxo - Ted
No I haven't smoked it, and
October 1, 2009 - 18:10 ET by dscottNo I haven't smoked it, and no I don't need take poison in my body to know it poisons my body much less ingesting anything that isn't food or drink or breathing anything other than air. By the logic you suggest, everyone should try hemlock before telling others not to use hemlock. That of course is the dumbest argument one can muster.
BTW- Since when is citing research from a reputable source a NEGATIVE as in throwing someone else's? I'm not a scientist or medical researcher, and most likely neither are you. But of course the point of a scientist or medical researcher doing a study is to give a dispositive opinion, yours as a user clearly isn't. Next thing you'll tell us is that only a woman can speak to issues such as abortion. You aren't that intellectually liberally challenged are you?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Figures. You can post as
October 1, 2009 - 18:25 ET by Another Dead KennedyFigures.
You can post as many links and studies as you'd like just to prove your case. There are just as many studies that reach the opposite conclusion, and who really wants another PopTech around here?
The fact here is that you have no idea what happens to the human body when you smoke pot because you've never experienced it. Until then, you really should look at all of the facts, not just the ones that suit your argument.
xoxo - Ted
~I gotta say...
October 1, 2009 - 18:34 ET by choselife3xThe "Don't knock it till you've tried it" defense is tenuous, at best. With that reasoning, no one would be able to reject any behavior they find repugnant.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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chose
October 1, 2009 - 18:36 ET by MrShyYou've never killed someone? Come onnnnn..... you know what they say...
~I've considered it...
October 1, 2009 - 18:37 ET by choselife3xThat high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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I really don't mean it that
October 1, 2009 - 18:39 ET by Another Dead KennedyI really don't mean it that way, but there is a bit of truth to it. When someone only uses one set of "scientific research" to argue a point, while completely dismissing research that contradicts it, who gets to choose what's right? How about those who have experienced it?
xoxo - Ted
~You gave me an idea
October 1, 2009 - 18:42 ET by choselife3xWhy don't we put a stop to the endless back and forth...by having a pot smoker (such as yourself) simply give us a list of pros and cons, based on personal "research".
The ball is in your court..
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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Pros: getting high ; ) Cons:
October 1, 2009 - 18:47 ET by Another Dead KennedyPros: getting high ; )
Cons: none.
xoxo - Ted
~Thanks
October 1, 2009 - 18:49 ET by choselife3xFor putting so much thought into that. It'll impress the hell out of all the people who think you're a lightweight....
Try again?
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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That was just for the sake
October 1, 2009 - 18:58 ET by Another Dead KennedyThat was just for the sake of humor.
Really though, without a full list of pros and cons, let me offer this. Some people go out after work on Friday night and get wasted. I suppose it's a release, a way to forget about the week, or simply because they want to be drunk and have fun. The next day they wake up with a bad headache after sleeping until noon, and spend the rest of the day recovering.
A pot smoker can take a hit or 2 and feel a different kind of high to achieve the same goals as the drinker. Only the pot smoker wakes up at 7 am the next day, goes out for a 3 mile run, makes breakfast, and heads out for the day's errands. Pot affects you while you're high and that's all. Alcohol lingers.
xoxo - Ted
~That's what I figured
October 1, 2009 - 19:06 ET by choselife3x(Humor)
But I did want a 'professional' opinion, so thanks. I have to admit, I've never seen a pothead get up at 7 in the morning. Or run anywhere, either. Make breakfast, yes. Rum-flavored pancakes with no forks...cain't tell me that sh*+ don't cause some kinda damage.....
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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Well remember that pothead
October 1, 2009 - 19:12 ET by Another Dead KennedyWell remember that pothead is a term equal to alcoholic. A casual, infrequent user doesn't make one a professional, but then again I am one of those wacky, leftist Californians, where pot is all but legal.
But yes, I'm up at 6am every day (actually), I run, and I make a mean breakfast. And I'm still able to responsibly manage this $35M budget I've been entrusted with.
xoxo - Ted
→ Careful Drupal
October 1, 2009 - 19:16 ET by Cool ArrowOK, so you're an ACORN administrator in a town of less than 10,000.
Can I get a no-interest loan?
F*** ACORN. If I can help
October 1, 2009 - 19:19 ET by Another Dead KennedyF*** ACORN. If I can help get them shut down, please let me know.
xoxo - Ted
→ Too funny
October 1, 2009 - 19:21 ET by Cool ArrowIt was a joke.
Well that's what I figured,
October 1, 2009 - 19:26 ET by Another Dead KennedyWell that's what I figured, Tex. But I can assure you that opening my eyes to ACORN is one thing this site has successfully done.
xoxo - Ted
I love you for your honesty, Teddy Bear!
October 1, 2009 - 19:31 ET by BO STINKSP. S. - I think the conservie boys on here are jealous of you because us girls flirt with you all the time!
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" Sam Adams
Who are you, really, and
October 1, 2009 - 19:31 ET by FeynmanFanWho are you, really, and what have you done with I Love Ted Kennedy?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
ILTK
October 1, 2009 - 19:36 ET by MrShyWow. And we all say..... YOU'RE WELCOME, TED !!!!!
~I'm definitely crashing at your place
October 1, 2009 - 19:33 ET by choselife3xA mean breakfast, huh? I make a kind breakfast. A soft, fluffy, warm and welcoming, weep grateful tears into your coffee and slap your momma breakfast.
Yeah, you didn't see that last one coming, didja?
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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Pro's and Cons from a former pot smoker Chose
October 1, 2009 - 19:44 ET by shawn228Pro's
Con's
I gave up smoking pot on my own, but I believe that is a personal choice and should not up to the government to make the decision for me.
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
Yeah, I've smoked weed
October 1, 2009 - 15:35 ET by arkansaszippersYeah, I've smoked weed fairly regularly for about 12 years, and I'm never going to be smoking 20 joints a day. So while there may be a higher percentage of carcinogens, people aren't going to smoke as much weed as they do cigarettes, so the cigarettes are still worse in that respect. I might smoke a bowl at night before I watch some TV or something, but what will that equal - like 2, maybe three cigarettes? But I'm still gonna smoke about a pack of cigarettes every day, because I'm addicted as hell.
What foolishness
October 1, 2009 - 08:34 ET by BlondeOh yeah right....less impact, right up until they drug test them and they lose their jobs. No stress there.
This is just the stupidest thing I think I've ever heard. I'm throwing the BS card. That was made up, certainly. Did Matty question that? I'm thinking not.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde, I agree. In my
October 1, 2009 - 09:52 ET by ConservativeRexBlonde, I agree. In my line of work we are randomly D&A tested (drug & alcohol). I have seen good folks cut loose because of it. Which you are correct, adds on to the problems they already have.
These newsreader types just throw crap out there just to hear themselves talk. They don't give two craps what happens to real folks. I also agree and call excremento del toro on it as well.
Exactly
October 1, 2009 - 09:57 ET by BlondeAnd what employer wouldnt pitch a fit at "dealers at work"? Que'lle crap.
Years ago, at a facility we had, the toilet backed up, and the maintenance person found straws, plastic baggies, and other cocaine paraphenelia. "For cause" drug testing ensued.....and many people lost their jobs.
A Drug Free Workplace (and formal policy of same) is quite common, IIRC, it is a requirement for some forms of liability insurance. So double BS to this nattering nabob. It was a flat out lie, and Lauer should have called her on it.
I hope he fails, too.
If there's one place in
October 1, 2009 - 10:09 ET by JasonCIf there's one place in which workplace dealers thrive, it's restaurants. Think of your favorite place to go for a nice dinner - upscale estasblishments included - I'd bet 10 to 1 you've been served by a coked up waiter at least once, and I'd further bet that the drug was procured in-house by a dealer with several other employee-customers. It's notorious in the restaurant industry, and for whatever reason, GMs tend to turn a blind eye.
While bosses obviously have a legitimate interest in keeping employees from using or selling drugs during work hours or on company property, I find drug testing in order to single out people who do it on their own time to be really stupid (unless, of course, it's a liability insurance issue). Fire people who perform the job poorly. Sometimes they'll be drug users, often not. I don't believe for a second that working in retail or in a restaurant or even in some office jobs would necessarily be hindered by pot use.
A few thoughts, Jason
October 1, 2009 - 10:58 ET by BlondeAnd I'll address your other post first, too.
Many states are employment at will states, no contract applies. Even the teamsters have to agree to drug testing, think of the people who are behind the wheel the next time you pass an 18 wheeler or a full garbage truck. Furthermore, after any kind of an industrial accident, drug tests of all involved are usually performed.
I hadn't thought about the restaurant industry, but I'm sure you are correct. All the more reason to random drug test, in my view, as the owner. Not to mention the discounts involved for always-expensive liability insurance.
IIRC, as one implements a Drug Free Work Place, or hires new workers in an established DFWP, the employees have to be given written notification, policies and procedures. So it's their choice whether to comply or not.
I understand your objection that occasional pot use (during non-working hours) wouldn't affect job performance in the restaurant or office settings, however this is more of a libertarian argument, isn't it? Employer's shouldn't have any say over their employee's behaviour outside of the workplace, and whatnot. I'd argue the opposite. If an employee wishes to keep his/her job, he agrees to abide by an employer's standards.
I'm going to have to keep a close eye on the wait staff, now, thank you very much!
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde - agree with your post.
October 1, 2009 - 16:28 ET by BO STINKSHubby is a locomotive engineer and is randomly drug tested all the time. He has tested negative for 32 yrs. Yet another industry in which sobriety is a must for obvious safety reasons.
BTW - Tried the cajun martini. Put a slice of jalapeno about 2 in. long (minus the seeds) into bottle for a few days. Had a regular martini last night using the spicy vodka. Was wonderful, such a nice added flavor! Thanks a bunch.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" Sam Adams
There's something oddly
October 1, 2009 - 18:49 ET by JerThere's something oddly incongruent about the two paragraphs of your post, Bo...I just can't quite put my finger on it. ;-)
Jer
Um, Jer
October 1, 2009 - 18:58 ET by BlondeFactor in my involvement....it will all fall into place. :D
Bo....glad you liked it.....it's a tad, um, zippy if you leave it too long (ask Jason).
I hope he fails, too.
Sorry, Jer just saw your post..
October 1, 2009 - 19:39 ET by BO STINKSIt's because there is something 'oddly incongruent' about me! ;-) And I am retired, ahem, and was at home when I drank my martini and, and... well, can't think of any more excuses at the moment. May come up with more later.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" Sam Adams
JASON!!!!
October 1, 2009 - 19:06 ET by BlondeKindly share your cajun martini results.
Enquiring minds want to know.
And thanks for the link to the beer forum, I posted a comment to move it back to the top. It was a good one.
I hope he fails, too.
Do what I do
October 1, 2009 - 19:09 ET by general companyWhen I forget about it, just add another bottle,,,,,,,or two?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC...that was rude of me to shout at Jas
October 1, 2009 - 19:11 ET by BlondeBut a couple of days ago we were talking about cajun martinis....and Jason was going to try them (soak hot peppers in vodka, then mix, shake, or whatnot).
So, since BO weighed in, I asked....and adding another bottle or two, well, sometimes it's a requirement, because if you leave those peppers in too long, SMOKE EM IF YOU'VE GOT EM!!!!
I hope he fails, too.
I saw it
October 1, 2009 - 19:34 ET by general companyThe wife and I tried it, just 4hrs. Caught the wife deluting it the following day. : ]
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Sorry, gc....
October 1, 2009 - 19:42 ET by BlondeNext time I'll bold and cap my warning. As I said, overnight was waaaaay too much...but with the right peppers, and the right timing, divine!!!!
I hope he fails, too.
Too spicy for martinis,
October 1, 2009 - 19:11 ET by JasonCToo spicy for martinis, even on the rocks. And I only let it steep for like 4 hours, so I can only imagine what Bo's was like.
Perfect for Bloody Marys.
lol, Jason....told ya so!
October 1, 2009 - 19:13 ET by BlondeThe first batch I ever made was undrinkable, truly. Smokin' hot.
I just pm'd BO....I am going to try it with New Mexico reds....enchilada chilis. They have minor heat, and nice color.
But I am a Bloody Mary aficianado....do try the Half Moon Bay Trading site, and let me know how you like it. I'm more of a "pepper snob" than a "beer snob". But it's all good.
<edit....aging the Vodka didn't help calm it down, either>
I hope he fails, too.
Must have had a mild jalapeno, JasonC
October 1, 2009 - 19:42 ET by BO STINKSNot trying to be brave or anything, but it wasn't that spicy - don't know why.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" Sam Adams
I imagine the people who do
October 1, 2009 - 09:58 ET by JasonCI imagine the people who do this would be smart enough to only be doing it if their contract hadn't included a Drug Test clause.
If the hemp industry was a
October 1, 2009 - 08:46 ET by mattmIf the hemp industry was a significant and legal segment of the economy and several legitimate privately owned companies were making millions, Lauer and his hypocritical MSM buddies would be talking about the "evil" marijuana companies profiting off the destruction of people's lives and health they way they vilify the tobacco industry.
The fastest way to get liberals to oppose something they generally support is to put it into a free-market context.
Yeah Pot
October 1, 2009 - 09:50 ET by shawn228Actually I am late for work, I just can't let a perfectly good pot thread go to waste without posting on it :-)
edit for spelling
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
Late for work, Shawn? Well, don't rush out the door
October 1, 2009 - 18:37 ET by Jerand forget your bong.
Jer
I've smoked pot for 30 yrs.
October 1, 2009 - 09:52 ET by KevroyI've smoked pot for 30 yrs. I've been very successful in life, I've never been arrested and have a great family. But I am discreet and responsible with my use. It should be legal. It's the dumbass stoners that give it a bad name.
Ah yes, the "Gateway' argument...
October 1, 2009 - 10:00 ET by FuzzlenutterPersonally, I've been smoking weed for 33 years and I've always been a productive member of society (I'm a software analyst. Gee, now I'm labeled as a "stoner"? Please tell me, how is that possible?).
It's the classic "Have your
October 1, 2009 - 10:04 ET by JasonCIt's the classic "Have your cake and eat it too" argument. Conservatives, who are so gung ho about personal choice, generally demonize pot use because it has stereotypical leftist affiliations. Nevermind the fact that, used responsibly, it's no more damaging than alcohol, trans fats, or soda.
~Jason
October 1, 2009 - 10:11 ET by choselife3xI don't "demonize" pot/drug use because of any "leftist affiliations". I despise it because I've seen what people turn into when they get hooked on it.
Trans fats, and soda do not induce a mind-altering state. Alcohol can be ingested in moderation without making one drunk. Pot/drugs, on the other hand, are used solely to induce an altered state.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
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Except for wine
October 1, 2009 - 10:22 ET by JasonCExcept for wine afficianadoes and beer snobs, I'd argue that alcohol is pretty much used for alteration as well*; even one drink begins to "take the edge off," after all, and there are increments of being stoned: there's a big difference between "buzzed" and "baked." And there IS the physical damage argument too, so I was covering my bases.
I don't think you'd be so simplistic as to invoke a lib stereotype, but take a look at the picture NB is using for the shortcut to this story. That pretty much sums it up.
Anyway, I guess my experience has been different than yours; I've only ever seen stoned people as harmless, albeit sometimes annoying.
*ETA: And let's face it, even they would never take seriously a non-alcoholic wine or beer, no matter how good it tasted.
~"Beer snobs"
October 1, 2009 - 10:57 ET by choselife3xI don't care who y'are, that's funny. When I think "beer", the word "snob" just pops to mind, right after "cravat".
(I get what you mean, I'm just having fun with it.)
As far as physical damage does, virtually everything is harmful if taken in sufficient quantities. "Water poisoning" comes to mind, for one.
I see stoned people as idiots. Drunks, too. Seriously, why don't ya just huff paint fumes, drool on yourself, and be done with it.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Beer Snobs, part II
October 1, 2009 - 11:04 ET by BlondeI don't know if it is still around, but Jason & Noel got into it...as did many others, I think there was even a beer forum.
Jason? Can you find it?
Must go. BBL.
I hope he fails, too.
See that's the thing, once
October 1, 2009 - 11:15 ET by JasonCSee that's the thing, once you get past the Watered-Down Iron Triangle of Bud/Miller/Coors - and God, I hate their narcissistic ad campaigns trying to convince you that one is so much better than the others; it's all cheaply-produced flavorless swill - there's a whole world of interesting craft brews out there. One can easily treat beer with the same level of baroque snobbery as one can wine.
Blonde, did you mean my old forum topic?
~A good friend of mine
October 1, 2009 - 11:29 ET by choselife3xOwns a liquor store that specializes in craft brews. If I'm ever done with the pregnancy/nursing thing, the first thing I'm doing is driving over there for some Kreik Lambic.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Can you drink at all now?
October 1, 2009 - 11:32 ET by JasonCCan you drink at all now? A Lambic would actually be a good choice if moderation is an issue, their ABV is usually super-low.
Or are you actually pregnant right now? In which case, of course, I'm not recommending you drink at all.
~Oh Lord, I hope not
October 1, 2009 - 11:57 ET by choselife3xStill nursing the youngest, he looooooooooooooooooves his milk. My husband nicknamed him "The Lamprey" for good reason.
I'm not even going to go there for right now, because the only thing worse than not having a Kriek Lambic for five years...is just having a taste.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Well said, Jason...
October 1, 2009 - 16:07 ET by JerBeing strictly forbidden from indulging the grape is difficult for me to ah, swallow, but at least I can still join my friends occasionally for a few rounds of baroque snobbery.
Jer
Yeah, but they make people
October 1, 2009 - 15:40 ET by arkansaszippersYeah, but they make people big and fat, which is also bad. I'd rather walk around with a bunch of "potheads" than have to see one more morbidly obese person waddling towards me, taking up the whole sidewalk. But for some reason, you can call out somebody for smoking weed, but you can't walk up to a fat person and tell them how unhealthy they're being...
Like, "Hey Rush, put the twinkie down!"
disgusting, zippy
October 1, 2009 - 15:51 ET by candanceMarijuana causes people to drive impaired, not to mention higher likelihood of violence and domestic abuse.
Fat people are not even in the same category.
I'm just saying, mentioning
October 1, 2009 - 16:02 ET by arkansaszippersI'm just saying, mentioning the problem of fat people is taboo in this country.
And I'd like to see the ridiculous study that proves that smoking weed causes a higher likelihood of violence and domestic abuse, because that's just laughable. I think you're thinking of alcohol; I've never seen someone high and angry at the same time.
Hey Zippy, You want
October 1, 2009 - 21:11 ET by Scuba DudeHey Zippy,
You want links? I am resurrecting the spam links of a banned troll who actually had some decent ones on pot and global warming.
Read it and weep Slinky
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Sdude Just for old times sake, slap that whole thing on the page
October 1, 2009 - 21:21 ET by upcountrywaterso we can wear out our scroll wheels, lol...
full of data that one...I've spent hours reading his links.
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
ROFL!
October 1, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Free StinkerROFL!
Arghh!
October 1, 2009 - 21:26 ET by BlondeDeja vu all over again!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
I hope he fails, too.
You asked for it, blame UCW!!!
October 1, 2009 - 21:30 ET by Scuba DudeUm... Smoking Pot is much worse than eating a Big Mac, please stop with
the pot head propaganda. It is so funny how all the pot heads come out
of the wood work to defend their habit.
Addiction:
Marijuana Withdrawal As Bad As Withdrawal From Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (Science Daily)
NIDA Researchers Find That Animals Exposed To Marijuana's Active Component Will Self-Administer The Drug (Science Daily)
Smoking, Drinking, Drugs: The Younger They Start, The Harder It Is To Quit (Science Daily)
Negative Health Effects:
Brain Damage - Cannabis Could Increase Risks Of Psychotic Illness By 40 Percent (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Cannabis Increases Risk Of Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - How Smoking Marijuana Damages The Fetal Brain (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Marijuana Use Affects Blood Flow In Brain Even After Abstinence (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - More Evidence Of Cannabis-induced Psychosis (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Smoking Marijuana Impairs Cognitive Function In MS Patients, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Study Finds Cannabis Triggers Transient Schizophrenia-like Symptoms (Science Daily)
Brain Damage - Teen Drug Use Associated With Psychiatric Disorders Later In Life (Science Daily)
Cancer - Marijuana Use Associated with HPV-Positive Head and Neck Cancer, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Cancer - Researchers At UCLA's Jonsson Cancer Center Report Smoking Marijuana May Increase Risk Of Head And Neck Cancers (Science Daily)
Gum Disease - Heavy Marijuana Use Linked To Gum Disease, Study Shows (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Regular Cannabis May Increase Risk Of Stroke In Young Users (Science Daily)
Heart Disease - Study Finds Marijuana Use May Pose Health Threat To Baby Boomers (Science Daily)
Infertility - Marijuana-Like Compounds May Alter Human Fertility, UB Researchers Show (Science Daily)
Infertility - Sperm From Marijuana Smokers Move Too Fast Too Early, Impairing Fertility, UB Research Shows (Science Daily)
Infertility - Study Finds; Abusing Marijuana May Overload System, Inhibit Fertility (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Impact On Lungs Of One Cannabis Joint Equal To Up To Five Cigarettes (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Long-term Marijuana Smoking Leads To Respiratory Complaints (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 Years Ahead Of Tobacco Smokers (Science Daily)
Lung Disease - Marijuana Worsens COPD Symptoms In Current Cigarette Smokers (Science Daily)
Obesity - Machinery Of The 'Marijuana Munchies' (Science Daily)
Pregnancy Failure - Marijuana Use Causes Early Pregnancy Failure (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Marijuana Component Opens The Door For Virus That Causes Kaposi's Sarcoma (Science Daily)
Viral Infection - Regular Marijuana Use Increases Risk Of Hepatitis C-related Liver Damage (Science Daily)
Cannabis Almost Doubles Risk Of Fatal Crashes (Science Daily)
Malt Liquor Linked To Marijuana Use Among Young Adults (Science Daily)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Just don't re-post those
October 1, 2009 - 21:32 ET by Free StinkerJust don't re-post those Wayne Allen Moonroot lists. ;-)
Trust me, I won't. :
October 1, 2009 - 21:44 ET by Scuba DudeTrust me, I won't. : )
I see Wayne occasionally on CNBC battling this Dem libtard all the time. He is a hoot.
I am expecting a warning from the powers that be at NB to cease and desist with the spam posting now. LOL
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Geez, You of all NBers!, How about all then Sarah Palin rants..
October 1, 2009 - 21:52 ET by upcountrywateryea allen was soo tired too...After PT i never worry about posting stuff.... over and over and over again..
Like this.. for the new trolls and the tired lingering democrats
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
PT took spam posts to a
October 1, 2009 - 22:04 ET by Scuba DudePT took spam posts to a whole new height. The constant bashing of Gov Palin with those false links is what did him in. And it the end his banning brought peace and calm upon NB.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
~Peace and calm?
October 1, 2009 - 22:13 ET by choselife3xWhich NB are you talking about?
;-)
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Good one , Whom choose correctly more than once.
October 1, 2009 - 22:48 ET by upcountrywaterMake me drop one tear.....
Mercy levels are at an "historic low" ...
And some of that leaks in here..
Living in the times of unbelief. Sluffing off religion in record numbers..
Where are the huge law firms in commie lands?
Anyone have some jpg of .....The Empire State Building lit up,,,, in yellow, ?
Where are the green tort sustainability lawyers?
ROTFLMAO , (PT's fav)
October 1, 2009 - 21:42 ET by upcountrywaterYea it's all my fault..The old trolls are going to have a feeding frenzy
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
Come on Scoob you can do better than that
October 1, 2009 - 21:44 ET by shawn228You call those links? Heres some links :-)
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
shawn... Are you the
October 1, 2009 - 21:58 ET by Jershawn...
Are you the "Troy" who posted the first comment?
Jer
NIce going Jer
October 1, 2009 - 23:28 ET by shawn228I hope you are happy that you exposed everyone to my High School Musical fetish!!!
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
*gasp*
October 2, 2009 - 11:27 ET by katainkentI thought PT was back for a second there when I saw all the RED.
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
If I were to post just as
October 2, 2009 - 11:35 ET by Another Dead KennedyIf I were to post just as many links that talk about the dangers of alcohol consumption, would you still drink?
xoxo - Ted
you can rest easy Ted
October 2, 2009 - 11:42 ET by katainkentI don't drink. Neither does my husband.
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
Dammit! Anyone else? xoxo
October 2, 2009 - 12:08 ET by Another Dead KennedyDammit!
Anyone else?
xoxo - Ted
Marijuana causes people to
October 1, 2009 - 16:11 ET by Another Dead KennedyMarijuana causes people to drive impaired, not to mention higher likelihood of violence and domestic abuse.
Do you have any statistics to back that up? Marijuana, despite the right wing propagandist film Reefer Madness, does not make people hyper and crazy. Pot smoke is not green, and it does not cause people to commit suicide. Pot does not make people want to get in the car and cruise around town at 7 mph.
As far as your claim that pot increases the likelihood of violence and domestic abuse, please cite your reputable source. Aside from the illegal trafficking (which would cease under legalization), where's the violence?
xoxo - Ted
Normal 0 MicrosoftInternetExp
October 1, 2009 - 17:56 ET by JasonCMarijuana causes people to drive impaired,
Well true, but that's an argument for making it illegal to drive under the influence, not to make it illegal altogether. Ditto alcohol.
not to mention higher likelihood of violence and domestic abuse.
I call schenanigans. That cannot possibly be true.
Jason, I've been awaiting a
October 1, 2009 - 17:59 ET by Another Dead KennedyJason, I've been awaiting a response for almost 2 hours on this. In other words, don't count on it.
xoxo - Ted
~Hmmm
October 1, 2009 - 18:28 ET by choselife3xI'm no expert on the effects of pot, but I thought it was supposed to mellow people out. Until the paranoia kicks in, anyway...
My take on it would be that perhaps the relationship is related less to cause and effect, and more to propinquity, if you will. As in, the type of people who use drugs regularly are more likely to be emotionally unstable than those who don't.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Conincidence or Causation, choselife?
October 1, 2009 - 18:42 ET by Jer"As in, the type of people who use drugs regularly are more likely to be emotionally unstable than those who don't."
Yeah, and the same can be said about those who regularly watch Beck. ;-)
Jer
~BAIT
October 1, 2009 - 18:47 ET by choselife3xYummy, yummy bait! *pant, pant, drool*
Alas, I've never watched Beck, so I have no snappy retort..crappy pun..oops, did it again..
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
And that's why I love you,
October 1, 2009 - 19:00 ET by Another Dead KennedyAnd that's why I love you, chose. (no proposal coming, don't worry)
xoxo - Ted
~If you like that
October 1, 2009 - 19:24 ET by choselife3xYou'll love this.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
worm jerky
October 1, 2009 - 19:28 ET by katainkentand it made me laugh the second time around :)
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
chose...
October 1, 2009 - 19:04 ET by JerThat's okay...
I'm still laughing at your "lightweight" comeback to ILTK.
Jer
I see you two pot heads are
October 1, 2009 - 18:29 ET by dscottI see you two pot heads are in denial of the obvious. I condescend to enlighten the both of you whereas most of the people at NB won't waste their time with self deluded drug abusers. Since both of you are so lazy not to bother to do some basic research here:
http://www.druglibra...
Read the Results for each test condition.
http://www.drugabuse...
"Driving and marijuana do not mix; that's the bottom line," said Dr.
Stephen J. Heishman, a research psychologist in the Clinical
Pharmacology Branch of NIDA's Division of Intramural Research. Figures
from previous studies of automobile accident victims show that from 6
to 12 percent of nonfatally injured drivers and 4 to 16 percent of
fatally injured drivers had tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the
psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in their bloodstream, Dr.
Heishman said.
Of course being the dedicated pot heads you are you won't believe what a scientist says because it doesn't validate your worldview. It should be noted that the same boneheads who toke marijuana and drive most likely also are so stupid as to drink alcohol as well carelessly endangering the lives of others:
One study showed that 32 percent of drivers in a shock trauma unit in
Baltimore had marijuana in their bloodstream, he noted. However, in
most of these studies, the majority of subjects who tested positive for
THC also tested positive for alcohol, making it difficult to single out
THC's effect on driving.
http://www.scienceda...
Heavy Marijuana Use May Damage Developing Brain In Teens, Young Adults
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
It's funny how people aren't
October 1, 2009 - 18:39 ET by arkansaszippersIt's funny how people aren't so quick to call recreational drinkers "drug abusers." Do you talk that way to the people at a restaurant who are having a beer with their meal, or the people at your church who take communion? Do YOU ever have a drink?
AR, it's a closed-minded
October 1, 2009 - 18:43 ET by Another Dead KennedyAR, it's a closed-minded argument. You might want to give up on this one. Think you can fly a plane just by reading a book about it? You can read the studies until you're blue in the face, but you'll still have no clue as to the effects of smoking pot. Notice how condescending this guy is, calling someone suspected of pot use a pothead. With that kind of reasoning, anytime you take a sip of alcohol you instantly become an alcoholic.
xoxo - Ted
Yes, but being an alcoholic
October 1, 2009 - 18:52 ET by arkansaszippersYes, but being an alcoholic is ok, because the government says so. Check out this video, it really puts things in perspective:
http://www.youtube.c...
Wait, aren't you supposed to be me?
Sheesh, you leftards love the moral equivalents
October 1, 2009 - 19:50 ET by BlondeI wouldn't click on one of your links if it was the only way to save my life.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
I hope he fails, too.
I don't remember asking you
October 1, 2009 - 20:10 ET by arkansaszippersI don't remember asking you to click on it. You can do what you want; you're a free person.
Wait, who's the troll here?
Uh, Zip... you were proven to be a troll already and remember...
October 1, 2009 - 20:16 ET by pahuberYou run off when the going gets tough.
'nuff said.
Again, if you have a
October 1, 2009 - 20:18 ET by arkansaszippersAgain, if you have a problem, then don't talk to me. And I doubt that you could make the going tough for me buddy.
arkzip/troll ~ not my job. You've been exposed.
October 1, 2009 - 21:07 ET by pahubertroll.
Am not. You are. So
October 1, 2009 - 21:22 ET by arkansaszippersAm not. You are.
So there.
weak !
October 1, 2009 - 21:24 ET by Free Stinkerweak !
Yes, I know. It's getting
October 1, 2009 - 21:43 ET by arkansaszippersYes, I know. It's getting late.
And let me guess, your lit
October 1, 2009 - 21:46 ET by Scuba DudeAnd let me guess, your lit right now.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Scoob ! Beverage Warning!!
October 1, 2009 - 21:48 ET by Free StinkerScoob !
Beverage Warning!! You owe me a new laptop computer! ;-)
Ha, I wish. No, one of my
October 1, 2009 - 21:52 ET by arkansaszippersHa, I wish.
No, one of my girls has a cold, and she keeps waking up. Damn Michigan weather...
~If she's congested
October 1, 2009 - 22:02 ET by choselife3xGet some eucalyptus oil. Dabbing just a tiny bit under the nostrils clears the stuff right up.
Eating a clove of fresh, raw garlic will kill the infection, but you'll probably have to hide it in something. I slice it and sprinkle it in a fresh tomato sandwich. The kids love it.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
Really? Thanks! I'll
October 1, 2009 - 22:10 ET by arkansaszippersReally? Thanks! I'll have to try the oil, but I don't know if she would go for the garlic; she's only 9 months. Of course her current goal in life is trying to find junk on the floor to put in her mouth, so I could probably just put a piece down there...
The crowd lets out a
October 1, 2009 - 20:18 ET by FeynmanFanThe crowd lets out a collective "Oooooo" and draws away from Zippers as Blonde slowly turns to face him, a faint smile crossing her lips...
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I love your
October 1, 2009 - 19:47 ET by dscottI love your rationalizations for not being a pothead. Your false moral equivalence between alcoholic and pothead is par for the course. If you are addicted to pot, you are a pothead. If you are addicted to alcohol, you are an alcoholic. One drink of alcohol doesn't make you an alcoholic, prolonged drinking does just as with Marijuana. You obviously have smoked many times.
The fact you so absurdly defend pot smoking, deny it's negative effects on the body and by implication defend driving under the influence by denying the validity of a scientific study means you in all probability are addicted to Marijuana. Only an addict denies his addiction.
You need help, get it:
http://www.marijuana...
Marijuana addiction has clear signs and indicators
and this page will discuss this in depth. Marijuana addiction is
simply an uncontrollable urge to possess and use the drug. Those
with marijuana addiction are not able to stop using the drug even
if they wish. Often a person with marijuana addiction will make
continuous excuses about why now is not a good time to stop using
the drug. Such people are not alone. Marijuana addiction is a disease
that affects millions of people every year.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Uh, DScott? I agreed with
October 1, 2009 - 19:04 ET by JasonCUh, DScott? I agreed with you that smoking pot and driving isn't a good idea. My point was simply that that's not an argument for pot in and of itself being illegal.
Still waiting on evidence for the domestic abuse nonsense.
Yes, as have I.
October 1, 2009 - 18:30 ET by arkansaszippersYes, as have I.
ILTK & libs
October 1, 2009 - 18:30 ET by MrShyCandance is taking a nap (yes, "I know things") so she will certainly respond.
However, I don't totally take a side here. Overweight people I have an issue with, as well, as far as lack of discipline and personal responsibility, not to mention in the subways in NYC they ARE a problem. Height and bone size we don't have much say on, but weight we do, and when people are completely letting themselves go, it does have an effect on the people around them.
BUT, candance was just saying, I think, that the weight of a person does not contribute to an increase of violence or other crimes, but pot certainly "can" (no pun intended.)
The only link between weed
October 1, 2009 - 18:46 ET by arkansaszippersThe only link between weed and violent crimes is based on the fact that weed is illegal. If it were ever made legal, the overall number of violent crimes would drop drastically. And I'll bet if King-Dongs and Big Mac's were made illegal, there would be some major violence going on... fat-on-fat violence if you will.
AK
October 1, 2009 - 18:53 ET by MrShyYeah, but smoking weed DOES impair your judgement, senses, and effect your decisions. That HAS bad potential. Eating too much does does NOT potentially lead to any of these possibilities.
Do you have stats to back-up that smoking/not-smoking pot has zero bearing on violence, domestic disputes, etc.?
Of course, smoking pot can
October 1, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Another Dead KennedyOf course, smoking pot can lead to eating too much, so there is a link. Maybe that's how they consider marijuana to be a gateway drug.
Honestly though, the argument you made:
but smoking weed DOES impair your judgement, senses, and effect your decisions. That HAS bad potential
What's the fear when a pot smoker knows to responsibly use his or her drug of choice? Some drinkers will go out and drive drunk and kill someone and there's nothing you can do to stop them. Same with pot smokers. But most users know how to responsibly consume alcohol and pot without putting others in danger.
PS: The abbreviation for Arkansas is AR. AK is Alaska.
xoxo - Ted
Ok, I'll give you that:
October 1, 2009 - 19:09 ET by arkansaszippersOk, I'll give you that: eating too much doesn't impair your judgement. On the other hand, weed doesn't lead to near as many bad decisions as drinking. It's just common sense.
Why do you need stats to prove this? It's just more common sense. I'm being serious when I tell you that I've been around plenty of people that were under the influence of weed, and I've never seen one become violent because of it. It actually has the exact opposite effect. Trust me, this is true. Nothing calms me down better than weed. In fact, I've used weed to help with domestic disputes: If I'm in an argument with my wife, and I have some weed on hand, I'll go take a couple of hits; takes all of the fight right out of me.
AK
October 1, 2009 - 19:34 ET by MrShy"If I'm in an argument with my wife, and I have some weed on hand, I'll go take a couple of hits; takes all of the fight right out of me."
I could have used a puff last night. Correction, SHE could have. :p
gosh
October 1, 2009 - 16:02 ET by katainkentindeed, its so much easier to be obnoxious and rude anonymously.
Yes, it's only rude and
October 1, 2009 - 18:22 ET by arkansaszippersYes, it's only rude and obnoxious to make fun of fat people, but not to make fun of pot smokers - you know, the tired old "Cheech and Chong pothead" label; I mean, look at the picture for this post. But who do you think drives up health care costs more - weed smokers or fat people? What do you think is worse for your health - smoking weed or being 60 pounds overweight? But you still hear stories of nurses and flight attendants complaining that they lost their job because they were too fat, but you don't hear the same stories of people raising a fuss for getting fired for being too stoned...
Link or slink
October 1, 2009 - 18:40 ET by BlondeNumby.
I hope he fails, too.
I'm sorry, but I don't know
October 1, 2009 - 18:48 ET by arkansaszippersI'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Could you tell me, so that I can respond?
AK
October 1, 2009 - 19:08 ET by MrShyProvide a back-up link to Blonde, or provide a slinking movement out the door.
A back up link for what?
October 1, 2009 - 19:14 ET by arkansaszippersA back up link for what? And what's this "link or slink numby" business? I'm sorry, but that's just rude. Blonde is constantly rude to anybody who has a differing opinion. I don't agree with a lot of people on this site, but I make an effort not to be rude; there's no need for that.
AK
October 1, 2009 - 19:21 ET by MrShyNot sure, but maybe she wants you to find where someone made fun of a fat person on this thread, or on NB.
Blonde is known to be on the tougher side, yes, but what she posted was no big deal.
zippy, link or slink means put up or shut up
October 1, 2009 - 19:32 ET by R D HelmI just love being helpful. :-)
-Dave
The election of 2010 will be our last chance to save our republic. -Neal Boortz
Thanks, Dave!
October 1, 2009 - 19:39 ET by BlondeStupid they, these trolls are.
Or...as candance would put it.....
Worst.
Troll.
Ever.
I hope he fails, too.
J,
October 1, 2009 - 19:52 ET by R D HelmIt's a miracle they can even dress themselves.
-Dave
The election of 2010 will be our last chance to save our republic. -Neal Boortz
I'm not sure they actually can, D.
October 1, 2009 - 19:55 ET by BlondeI see AZ in mom's basement, with Cheetos and Fanta goo all over the walls. Wearing a week old tee.
Sheesh, bloody hell!
I think it's time for EEIS.
I hope he fails, too.
J, LOL-I'm seeing goo all over the walls, too...
October 1, 2009 - 20:03 ET by R D Helm...but it ain't blue or orange. :-^)
-Dave
The election of 2010 will be our last chance to save our republic. -Neal Boortz
Oh Crap Dave
October 1, 2009 - 20:05 ET by shawn228Thx for the image,uhhhh.
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
Um.....D?
October 1, 2009 - 20:07 ET by BlondeGive me your opinion on this....I need an avatar at the Gator boards.
Does it work for Blonde Gator?
I hope he fails, too.
J,
October 1, 2009 - 20:13 ET by R D HelmI like it.
-Dave
The election of 2010 will be our last chance to save our republic. -Neal Boortz
Thanks, D.
October 1, 2009 - 20:26 ET by BlondeI do too.
EEIS.
I hope he fails, too.
I don't like Fanta. Yes, I
October 1, 2009 - 20:15 ET by arkansaszippersI don't like Fanta. Yes, I wear shirts for many days without washing them; I work in an office, and don't find washing every wear to be necessary. And I scratch my balls... a lot. What's your point though?
Ewwwwwww!
October 1, 2009 - 20:25 ET by BlondeTMI.
You deserved to be banned for that, alone.
I hope he fails, too.
Yes, mentioning a body part
October 1, 2009 - 20:59 ET by arkansaszippersYes, mentioning a body part is much more ban-worthy than this:
As I said, link or slink. Otherwise, keep your stupid trolling mouth
shut before you have any facts to back it up. I can't tell you how
pleased I am that you're knickers are in a twist that I called you out
on something so obviously bigoted and stupid! Ha ha! How does that
little bunch of footwear feel on your sorry little feet?
Son, your mouth (fingers, here) are writing checks the rest of your
sorry existence can't fund. And I for one.....am tired of your
swinishly swilly stupid posts, here.
Isn't there something in the rules about personal attacks?
Quite so.
October 1, 2009 - 21:03 ET by BlondeMy post was perfectly legible the first time, trollboy.
But your response, as I'd expect a trollster's to be....was rude, crude, and otherwise mercenary.
You are dismissed.
I hope he fails, too.
I'd say that most of your
October 1, 2009 - 21:20 ET by arkansaszippersI'd say that most of your posts are on the rude side also. But let's start over - I just like to debate; it's addictive. Obviously you do, too. You're quite good at it. Now who wants to go around agreeing with everybody all the time? I know I don't. So why don't we just agree to disagree, and have more lively debates in the future. I like talking to you - you get my dander up. You're one of those people I love to hate, like the bad guys in professional wrestling. You may not like me, but you're ok in my book.
You might be one of the
October 1, 2009 - 19:16 ET by arkansaszippersYou might be one of the rudest individuals I've ever come across. That's the god's honest truth.
I'm pleased you think so.
October 1, 2009 - 19:34 ET by BlondeYou are the troll with the big fat mouth, here. So back it up, Zippy:
You were the one who made the allegation(s)....the burden is on you to prove or disprove it.
As I said, link or slink. Otherwise, keep your stupid trolling mouth shut before you have any facts to back it up. I can't tell you how pleased I am that you're knickers are in a twist that I called you out on something so obviously bigoted and stupid! Ha ha! How does that little bunch of footwear feel on your sorry little feet?
Son, your mouth (fingers, here) are writing checks the rest of your sorry existence can't fund. And I for one.....am tired of your swinishly swilly stupid posts, here.
Leon! Hates! Fat! People!
I hope he fails, too.
Don't flatter
October 1, 2009 - 19:58 ET by arkansaszippersDon't flatter yourself.
Wait, who has their knickers in a bunch now? It's ok, sometimes people don't agree with you; you shouldn't let it get you so worked up. I mean, if you want to go on lashing out at everybody that thinks differently, that's up to you. Have you ever considered joining a church? That might help...
Really?
October 1, 2009 - 20:09 ET by BlondeI see you've chosen the "slink" option....since you could'nt put up about fat being worse than pot-head.
Time for you to head on out now, slinky.
I hope he fails, too.
Ok, I'll humor
October 1, 2009 - 20:13 ET by arkansaszippersOk, I'll humor you:
http://www.byebyeblighty.com/1/overweight-nurse-declined-residency-in-new-zealand/
http://www.medindia....
http://www.nowpublic...
http://blogs.abcnews...
There, are you happy now? Are you ever happy?
EPIC FAIL
October 1, 2009 - 20:39 ET by BlondeHow typical.
You make an idiot statement, and then back it up with idiot links about fat people getting fired.
NICE, VERY NICE.
The assignment, zipless....was to back up your statement that it was worse to be fat than stoned. EPIC FAIL.
What is your IQ? 7?
And yes, I am sublimely happy...because I have once again, kicked an idiot troll like you to the curb in about four posts. My life is now complete.
OMG, I am getting truly tired of consuming stupid children. It's boring. Where are the real libtards, like Angry African and the rest of the adult trolls?
I hope he fails, too.
I love how you are always
October 1, 2009 - 21:02 ET by arkansaszippersI love how you are always declaring yourself the "winner." And who are you calling a child? Libtards? That sounds like something a kid on the playground would say, not an adult. But I only have an IQ of 7, so what do I know?
So is that how you deal with your problems, trying to look for reasons to get people banned? That's not juvenile at all...
scorecard
October 1, 2009 - 21:06 ET by Free StinkerBlonde: 1
arkansaszip: 0
Damn. I can't win.
October 1, 2009 - 21:13 ET by arkansaszippersDamn. I can't win.
AK
October 1, 2009 - 23:47 ET by MrShyThis site is LibsLose.MoveOn.org :)
wisenheimer...
October 2, 2009 - 13:04 ET by arkansaszipperswisenheimer...
Why do you keep referring to
October 2, 2009 - 13:14 ET by Another Dead KennedyWhy do you keep referring to arkansas as Alaska?
xoxo - Ted
Don't give up, zipper...
October 2, 2009 - 02:56 ET by JerDon't give up, zipper...
It took me over two years to finally earn my first point. But it was worth the wait.
Jer
LOL, he is a slinky.
October 1, 2009 - 20:14 ET by pahuber: )
Not this guy again. "LOL,
October 1, 2009 - 20:17 ET by arkansaszippersNot this guy again. "LOL, he is a slinky" - that's just stupid. And why are you taking the time to even read what I put down?
I read all of NBs daily. You have been proven to be a troll AZ
October 1, 2009 - 21:10 ET by pahuberI know you do not realize that yet... oh well, carry on.
pahuber
October 1, 2009 - 21:13 ET by Free StinkerPahuber, doesn't arkansaszipper seem to be awareness impared? ;-)
Free, abosolutely. I could not have said it better than that!
October 1, 2009 - 21:19 ET by pahuberYou are the word crafter : )
You might be one of the rudest individuals I've ever...
October 1, 2009 - 19:56 ET by R D Helm...come across.
LOL-You wish. :-^)
-Dave
The election of 2010 will be our last chance to save our republic. -Neal Boortz
that was an awful lot of text
October 1, 2009 - 19:24 ET by katainkentto cover for your rude and obnoxiousness.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
~"Normalized"
October 1, 2009 - 10:06 ET by choselife3xPedophiles feel shame and guilt and decreased self-esteem and "adrenalized", does that mean we should normalize that behavior to make it "less addictive"?
(For all you pot-lovers out there, I'm not equating you to pedophiles. Take a toke and chill.)
That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.
http://newsbusters.o...
"Coles blamed the economy
October 1, 2009 - 10:52 ET by Evoke"Coles blamed the economy as "a great source of stress for people and they wanted a way to unwind.""
Hmm, I think herb is nice in good times or in bad.
"We are content and happy if Obama can stay forever as the president of the United States of America…”- Moammar Gadhafi
pot smoking executives-
October 1, 2009 - 11:21 ET by JIMMY1660i do not think so folks-most of us working stiffs have drug screens to take prior and during emploment. if these ladies were to get to the top-i'm sure the pot would not be an option.vodka and scotch perhaps.
someone is not telling the truth here.
LIAR!!!
BHO- THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE
I think you're
October 1, 2009 - 11:25 ET by JasonCI think you're overestimating the number of companies that care enough about what their employees do outside of work - so long as they produce good results at work - to bother with drug-testing. It's naive to suggest that executives and upper-level management people don't use illegal drugs from time to time. Remember the 80s? I don't think that was a fad that went away with the two-toned power shirt and aviator glasses.
LIAR!!! BHO- THE
October 1, 2009 - 11:23 ET by JIMMY1660LIAR!!!
BHO- THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE
Old nicknames
October 1, 2009 - 11:42 ET by zachlindSome years back I read that Matt had had a minor drug problem in college but I doubt if it was true given the drive for career success these types of people have. The article added a bit of humor by labeling Katie and Matt as Perk Perk and Coke Coke. I thought the nicknames were funny.
*shrug*
October 1, 2009 - 12:17 ET by katainkentall my siblings smoke pot. They're all very caught up in their day to days and have varying degrees in monetary success in their lives but almost no familial harmony. Very similar to my father retiring to the couch with 3-4 glasses of wine. It's just a giant disconnect.
I am not even sure of the pot laws in this state. I just look at legalization as another avenue of responsibility/exampling I have to drill into my children's heads. The only vice in this house is the occassional dr peppers or cherry cokes in the fridge. I count ourselves lucky.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
What Citizens Do With Their Bodies
October 1, 2009 - 13:27 ET by JustAlIs NONE of the Federal Government's business. Where in the Consitution does the government gain the power to decide what is or is not allowed for people to ingest? The so called "war on drugs" is nothing but a(nother) government power grab. It doesn't make a tinker's da__ what the research says, the government is not our nanny. It should be up to the states to decide and to tax as they see fit.
Just my opinion of course.
They are right
October 1, 2009 - 13:28 ET by red eye repubYou social conservatives really need to decide if you want to be authoritarians.
I smoke marijuana frequently for many reasons. First, it feels fantastic. Second, there are no hangovers.
It's not the governments business what i put in my body.
Oh, and if you Republicans ever want to get into power again, you need to embrace the Libertarian side of the party. Those are the issues regular, non-political people care about.
Why Weed Should Not Be Legalized
October 1, 2009 - 15:42 ET by kufir77If you're a liberal, weed turns you into a "progressive".
If you're a moderate, weed turns you into a liberal.
And if you're a conservative, weed turns you into a black helicopter hearin, NWO fearin, paranoid schizophrenic.
Smoke and drink whatever
October 1, 2009 - 15:59 ET by George S PattonSmoke and drink whatever you want but should your actions cause any type of injury to another you go to jail for a minimum of 20 years , no questions asked. I watched a moron walk into a rotating propeller on a plane and lose his right arm and left leg. He was stoned.
Was that before or after he
October 1, 2009 - 16:12 ET by JerWas that before or after he was puree`d?
Jer
Couldn't a drunk have done
October 1, 2009 - 16:16 ET by Another Dead KennedyCouldn't a drunk have done the same thing? What about someone hooked on prescription pills? There are a majority of Americans who can responsibly use alcohol without endangering the lives of others. What makes you think that pot smokers can't do the same? And have you ever smoked pot to find out how the body reacts to it?
xoxo - Ted
What was a stoned person
October 1, 2009 - 19:08 ET by JasonCWhat was a stoned person doing near a whirling propellor blade in the first place?
Look, this is all abstraction. I could catalogue all the dumb things people do while drunk, including sudden, gruesome deaths, and it still wouldn't be an argument for making booze illegal. How is it that a majority of conservatives ALWAYS manage to abandon their freedom of choice/personal responsibility creed when it comes to pot?
Convenience, J. It's just
October 1, 2009 - 19:30 ET by Another Dead KennedyConvenience, J. It's just convenient for the argument, and it belittles the user. "He's a drug user, so I'm better than him. Now I'll go get drunk so I can belittle the drug user even more while we discuss civil liberties."
xoxo - Ted
Jason my point exactly
October 1, 2009 - 19:50 ET by shawn228So many folks that claim to be conserative keep up the manta, Freedom for all, Freedom in the US, Let freedom ring, but when it comes things like Pot, prostitution or sodomy, all of a sudden Mr. Government is a great idea.
"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy
Okay . . . .
October 1, 2009 - 19:44 ET by DoktorFranken. . . Putting aside the fact that Matt Lauer is one of the dumbest people on TV in this century, there is a lot of misinformation being tossed about by all sides. I just got through watching ''A/K/A Tommy Chong'' and I was torn. I hated Ashcroft (covering up breasts on a statue??) even before he listened to the dumbest U.S. Attorney in Pennsylvania and wasted (no pun intended) so many dollars and resources to entrap Tommy Chong (who had very little to do with the bong business itself). But I loved George Bush in spite of his appointing one of the biggest numbnuts in recent history. It was tough watching all of the folks in that documentary (which was very well done) give constant and disparaging testimony regarding the Bush Administration and Conservatives in general. There was a whole lot of projection going on by the Leftists in that movie. Except for the tragedy of the U.S. (Pennsylvania, really) vs Tommy Chong I don't think that W's Administration took American's rights away - even with the Patriot Act Thingy. I mean, did they throw anyone's Grandma in jail for talking on the phone?
Bush listened to the wrong people just as Sarah Palin did during her VP campaign. GW made people who are very casual pot smokers, at best, guilty of supporting terrorists. Most of the ones than I have known grew their own or obtained domestically grown weed so how stupid did that make W sound? Or anyone else using that particular argument about that particular product? And the pot smokers I've known are very ''successful'' in every sense of the word, have never had a pot related accident, never exposed their children to it (some still do not know and they are now grown), and some have a larger problem with that ''legal'' drug, alcohol.
And all of that still means nothing because it's not ''scientific''. I think that the people that crave ''the truth'' should seek it. And you can take that either way (thanks to the quotes).
Just keep in mind that the government got involved with outlawing pot for all of the wrong reasons (check out some of that historic truth I talked about) and have since made it out to be one of the biggest bogeymen in this country for absolutely no good reason. No one has ever died as a direct result of smoking pot. Only when it is mixed with something like driving, tight-rope walking, or asking a policeman for directions has it been dangerous. Remember, the worst effect of marijuana is incarceration - regardless of what your governments have said.
The above is JMHO and not intended as anything other than empirically garnered information. I do not intend to debate any part of it so please do not bother.
Whatever the merits of
October 1, 2009 - 20:01 ET by Jack BauerWhatever the merits of smoking dope, I think we can all agree that NBC and MSNBC are all on hallucenogenics.
They still think Obama's the greatest instead of the dumbest. And he's a self confessed stoner. Case closed.
Churchill was an enthusiastic whiskey man. Case even more emphatically closed.
Jack
October 1, 2009 - 20:23 ET by DoktorFrankenOh, total agreement, indeed. In fact, I'll go as far as saying that NBC and MSNBC folks are, themselves, hallucenogenic mushrooms. Kept in the dark under black-light and fed - you guessed it.
And what about Grant?? Won that Civil War thingy? I like the Lincoln quote, when told that Grant was a heavy drinker of whiskey -
''Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals.''
The key in life, as in everything, is moderation, though. Some people just plain forget.
Jack
October 1, 2009 - 20:32 ET by MrShyDated a woman half my age last night (no, she's not half my age... that's for shawn... she's older, actually :p) and yeah, at her advanced age -- and you'd figure, wise with years -- she was absolutely ooo'ing and aah'ing over how incredibly smart Obama is.
I also have a brainiac-smart oldest brother who thinks he's extremely bright and intelligent.
WHAT AM I MISSING??? Un. Real.
Shy -- you're missing not
October 1, 2009 - 20:37 ET by Jack BauerShy -- you're missing not being in a cult. But it's a diminishing cult. Has a base of about 25%.
I just blacked out for 2 minutes 17 seconds, and FLASH FORWARDED six months.
I saw dead wrong people waking up from their stupor.
Mr Shy , AKA Sugar daddy, pay the bill and smile.
October 1, 2009 - 21:14 ET by upcountrywaterYou live on an Island , I live on an Island.
They both begin with the letter M.
The Island I live on is the only county in the nation that voted for Dennis J. Kucinich for president.
The only island that is a tad left of here is Moreau
Dating like taxpaying is expected, and the conversation is free.
As in SHUT-UP and listen..
My friend may your next date be better. Who knows she may like some duct tape.
State controlled health care is Tort Reform.
If they legalized it, it
October 1, 2009 - 21:30 ET by RR GOPIf they legalized it, it wouldn't be cool anymore.
I wonder if the anti-cigarette storm troopers would come out with their shock ads against dope? Naw, I always suspected they were in fact stoners, and were against cigarettes because their parents back in the '50s liked them...can't support anything the Greatest Generation liked...must reject...does not compute...
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
The business of getting high
October 8, 2009 - 15:18 ET by rockstarhttp://video.google....
All the anti-pot propoganda has got out of control. People need to wise up, and watch the above video. The right-wing nut jobs need to just go away.