Ron Paul Was Right
In the Republican presidential candidates debate Monday night in Tampa, CNN's Wolf Blitzer posed a hypothetical question. Normally, a hypothetical question should not be answered, but in this case it revealed something about the questioner and sparked a controversial, but necessary answer from Rep. Ron Paul.
For those watching the two Monday Night Football games, the question was: "A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it. Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?"
The question was designed to appeal to the status quo with the federal government picking up the tab, but Paul cut through the question to give a powerful answer: "...what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. ... That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody..."
Blitzer interrupted: "...are you saying society should just let him die?"
Some in the audience shouted "yes." They must have come from the previous debate where Gov. Rick Perry's pride in executing convicted murderers was wildly applauded.
Responded Paul: "...We've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea, that's the reason the cost is so high. ... We have lack of competition. There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing."
What first needs to be said is that federal law prohibits anyone from being turned away from a hospital emergency room, whether in a coma or not. But Paul's larger point should not be missed. He is old enough to remember a time when families, neighbors and churches cared for each other. Now, in our two-income households when we buy so much stuff we must rent public storage units for the overflow, we hardly have time for our own families, much less the concerns of others. How many of us know our neighbors?
I was intrigued by a story I read last month in London's Sunday Times. The story followed street rioting that shocked Britons and caused Prime Minister David Cameron to lament the loss of moral teaching in British schools and society. The headline read "Tory Ministers to 'Adopt' Jobless Families."
Some of the jobless have been without work for several generations. A recent survey found that in many homes, no one had ever worked and had no desire or expectation of employment.
The ministers have pledged to set an example for others to follow by volunteering to become "family champions" to the unemployed. Emma Harrison, who is described by the newspaper as a "social entrepreneur whose company has a 300-million pound contract to help people into meaningful work," wants the middle classes to follow the ministers' example.
Why couldn't this work in the U.S. government? Why can't President Obama and his family, his cabinet members and agency heads each "adopt" an unemployed family and help them find meaningful employment? What about the Republican presidential candidates? Michele Bachmann and her husband are experienced in adoptions. How about all of those rich congressmen and senators? Warren Buffett and Bill Gates think we should pay more taxes. Can't they be asked to personally do more to help others? They would be a fine example.
If we want smaller government, we will have to pick up the slack. Helping change another life for the better may be the most satisfying work we do on Earth. It is part of my own ethic and I can testify to the satisfaction it has given me. Make it a fad and it could become a trend. Ron Paul's answer, which to some sounded crass, might prove itself to be the ultimate in compassion.
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He does
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 11:48am.
"Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?"
He does, through his family, by the sale of the assets, his car, his house (or condo), and the like, that he accumulated through his "good job." I mean, really, how obvious can it get? "Society" isn't responsible for this man's health and well-being. How can it be responsible for the costs of his illnesses?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Worry about this cobraman:
Submitted by lrgon on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 9:27pm.
Ron Paul receives twice the contributions from our soldiers in active duty than all the other GOP presidential contenders combined:
The men and women in uniform who take an active part in politics and are willing to donate part of their money to a candidate put their money on Ron Paul. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jul/23/ron-paul/ron-paul...
Worry about this cobraman: Paul won the California GOP straw poll but the media is stingy in getting this news out. Who knows maybe the media is sparing some of you a coma.
It's marxist philosophy masquerading as compasion.
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 3:20pm.
The hypothetical man has hypothetical family and freinds. They would no doubt jump in to help him in this dire emergency situation. His choice to not have health insurance does not obligate those who did choose to pay for it to carry his burden.
The idea that the State is responsible for everyone's well being means that for that to be actually put into practice, everyone must work for the State. Then somehow, the State figures out exactly what it is you need and provides that to you but no more. This will be just as effective as the loan to Solyndra.
This was tried by the old Soviet Union. It failed utterly. And it will always fail because of two realities that can not be changed:
1) The knowledge and wisdom to provide exactly the right stuff to hundreds of millions of people at the same time does not and never will exist on earth.
2) Humans are not entirely honest and altruistic even at the best and there are many who are utterly corrupt and those are the ones who will gravitate toward the jobs that decide who gets what.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Personal responsiblity, wha'z that?
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 09/16/2011 - 11:04pm.
for clearer explanation go to the man himself:
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/health-care/
RON PAUL IS A NUTCASE AND SO ARE HIS DEMENTED FOLLOWERS
Submitted by cbeyer on Sat, 09/17/2011 - 7:39pm.
Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican nomination. His second place showing in Iowa was just a straw poll and was meaningless. There are many reasons why Ron Paul is a terrible candidate starting with the fact that he is a nutcase. Here are some key areas that would be impenetrable roadblocks to Paul being the Republican standard bearer.
National Defense: Most republicans and conservatives support a strong national defense and the war against Islamic Extremism. Paul's comments in the last debate advocating the right of Iran to have nuclear weapons is nothing short of idiocy. Iran has repeatedly called for the obliteration of the State of Israel and has made many threats against America. Beyond adding a dangerous state to the list of Nuclear weaponized countries, Iran is known to be a world wide exporter of and supporter of terrorism. Isolationism as an approach to Iran is just plain wrong.
Legalization of drugs: A strong advocate of legalizing drugs places Paul at odds with most conservatives and republicans.
Hair brained positions: Ron Paul was an early advocate of the belief that 911 could have been an 'inside job' rather than as the result of Islamic Terrorists. He has never fully renounced that belief in spite of overwhelming evidence (including Osama Bin Laden and other Islamists having taken credit for 911) that this was and Al Qaida) operation.
While his strong constitutionalist principals are admirable, this Quirky guy is unelectable as either the standard bearer for the Republican party and even more so in the broad electorate as a presidential candidate. Clearly he does have, however, a very loyal group of fringe followers.
National defense does not mean protecting Iraq's border
Submitted by lrgon on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 9:59pm.
nor providing the al-Qaeda "rebels" in Libya air support. Sorry but that game about being the policeman of the world is not Constitutional.
You accuse Paul in your mean spirited, and unchristian like behavior of being a nutcase but he receives more donations to his campaign than all GOP presidential contenders combined from active duuty troops. He gets even more active duty soldiers donating to the Ron Paul in 2012 campaign than Orbama. Soldiers that donate to Paul donate because they like what he says. I don't suppose you consider them being what you call Paul?
That Iran bomb, do you have positive proof that they have one or are you relying on bogus intell from Cheney the great white hunter? Israel has 300 nuclear bombs and I doubt they would allow Iran to transport their one bomb (if they have one) to target Tel Aviv.
Are you worried that Iran might launch their hypothetical bomb? And what ICBM will Iran use: one or two humped camel? No navy, no air force and no Intercontinental Ballistic missle launchers. Wow, what paranoia.
How many Nukes does Pakistan have and they are partnering up with China on some deals involving things that really could threaten Israel. But let's all focus on Paul's statement that it is ludicrous to worry about a would be nuke when Iran has trouble getting enough gasoline! That is a big wow!!
The war drum beater from Pennsylvania needs to be shown up for the phony that he is. His record in the senate has him voting to send foreign aid to Muslim nations.
The drugs charge
Paul says let the states deal with that issue; they did prior to the feds getting involved. The booze and drugs issue was a states' domain for years before the fed agencies like BATF, and those "Revenuers" began to usurp states' sovereignty. States can do a better job than any federal agency since states have an incentive to catch drug dealers. The feds have a vested interest in just growing their agencies and even giving drugs to pushers and giving the drug cartelists auutomatic weapons.
His Iowa virtual tie with Bachmann and his latest California Straw poll first place win shows how off the mark you are.
Irgon
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:39pm.
Can you source your claim about the military donating more money to Paul than any other candidate? Besides Ron Paul's statement I mean.
Not worrying about Iran having a nuke is like not worrying about the military buildup in Japan or Germany in the 1930's.
you can find the July numbers
Submitted by kata on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:51pm.
here.
Rad
Submitted by Denny Crane on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:04pm.
It's true, but pointless. Maybe, it only counts the employer if the donation is over 200 dollars. If military members contribute less than that, it doesn't get counted.
The total number he is talking about is 25,000 Dollars. About 1/2 a percent of his total war chest. (4.5Million). It would be like saying that the Military likes the Ford Mustang more than the Chevy Camero because 10 people at Hickam airforce base own Mustangs while only 4 own Cameros.
We Are The 53%
Toney
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:09pm.
Just wondered. So many claims are made that I wonder which ones are true. How someone else votes doesn't sway me anyway. Although I respect those who serve in the military, their votes don't have any bearing on mine.
xacly RAD!
Submitted by Denny Crane on Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:56pm.
I gotta say, in a lot of areas Paul is right on the money, but the areas that he is totally nuts on make him a horrible candidate.
Also he is NOT a conservative, he is a Libertarian. His kind should go and take back the Democratic party.
We Are The 53%
Being at war just to be at war
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 7:38am.
History is full of examples of such demented people. Hitler was a war lover and attacked Poland with his pal Stalin.
Facts of history: Iran was once our ally under the shah but Carter did everything inhis power to disrupt this association and eventually the US government under Carter caused the Shah to give up his power and in came Ayatolla Khomeini.
The situation today in Iran was caused by US interventionism. We replaced an ally in the Shah with radical clerics.Today Ali Khamenei is "Supreme ruler" of Iran. The S. R. is first in power followed by the president. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is given all the press coverage due to his anti-semitic pronouncements that the press highlights. The media has built him up as another Hitler. Yet this same radical president is invited to speak in New York before the Council of Foreign Relations, the same organization of influence that Carter used to eject the Shah from power in Iran! Carter's state department and close advisers came from the CFR.
For a list of CFR influence in the Major Media go here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Israel has 300 nukes and is fully capable of handling Iran. The point Paul makes is that we need to stop interfering in other country's internal politics. Sabre rattling by politicians is easy for them but the poor soldier that has to go into these countries to back up the big mouth of politicians pays for it!
Ron Paul Receives most Military Donations: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-rec...
Lot of words to say crap
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 8:57pm.
Just because Israel has enough nukes to wipe out Iran is not a good reason to let Iran have nukes.
The problem is that the PRESIDENT of Iran has stated that he WANTS TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. If he gets nukes he will use them aggressively. Israel and most countries use nukes as a deterent. Iran would use them as an offensive weapon to destroy Israel, even though it might mean their own destruction. Akkkmoooinajad is a 12er. look it up, you might learn something.
We Are The 53%