Bozell Column: Lifetime's Perky Prostitute
Ten years ago, perky actress Jennifer Love Hewitt tried to jump-start a music career with a song titled “Bare Naked.” Now she’s trying that attention-grabbing tactic again with a sleazy new Lifetime series called “The Client List.” She plays a massage therapist who turns tricks.
That network has adopted a new slogan: “This is not your mother’s Lifetime.” That’s appropriate for a new drama with a single-mother whore at its sympathetic center. We learn she was forced into being a sex worker when her husband mysteriously left her – you know, the way of the world for single moms.
Hewitt first made “The Client List” as a TV-movie in which the sex worker ultimately learned the error of her ways. Not any more. It’s now a weekly series with no storyline of error and redemption in sight.
After tremendous hype, its debut – on Easter Sunday, no less – scored 2.8 million viewers, second only to the 2007 launch of Lifetime's show “Army Wives.”
Slate.com calls it “Ultra-Soft Porn” and on its Facebook page, the show asks women to “rate the clients” to see which john is the most attractive. You can rate them “Dud or Stud” and enter to win a $5,000 prize. Somehow, all of Hewitt’s TV clients could double as models – another dose of non-reality.
Speaking of which, the group Licensed Massage Therapists is very upset at how their profession is being merged with prostitution weekly in the public mind. But Hewitt protests that her show only projects “reality.”
"At the end of the day, it's a television series," she argues. "I'm not saying every massage parlor in the world gives happy endings, nor do I know which ones do, but it is a part of our society. And even if it wasn't, it's just a part of our story. It's entertainment."
When that line of argument collapses, she claims her sex-worker character is just too lovable to protest.
“I tried to make a joke on Twitter that I wondered why people were not writing to ‘Dexter’ about killing people, or to ‘Nurse Jackie’ about taking drugs on the job. Those are big, big television characters audiences love and adore....so if there can be a serial killer we all like, I feel like a happy-endings specialist is the least of our worries.”
Doesn’t that quote sum up just about everything that’s wrong with our popular culture these days? Viewers are expected to adore serial killers, drug-abusing, adulterous nurses, and prostitutes disguised as massage therapists?
But Hewitt isn’t done whining. When she starred on “The Ghost Whisperer” on CBS, "No medium ever complained that I was playing a medium who had too much cleavage. In fact, they were all like, ‘Thank you so much!’ I mean, I constantly had cleavage up to my chin, and not one medium had a problem with it. They were like, ‘People think we're hot!’ Now, if massage therapists could just feel the same.”
Like most people in Hollywood, Hewitt wants to push the envelope in what she calls a “provocative, unapologetic manner” to make her millions. Then she demands that no one ever protest that she’s making prostitution look glamorous and morally acceptable.
Hewitt wants to avoid being “judgmental” about prostitutes. “It's an easy industry to have a judgment on, but I feel like that judgment comes from lack of knowledge and fear and maybe not knowing the whole story.”
So Dr. Hewitt’s offering an educational “whole story” on her program? Even worse, Hewitt wants to declare that prostitution is okay with her. “I respect people doing what they have to do in order to try to live and be happy.” This woman has the brain of a text message. K?
But what if the prostitute is helping wreck a marriage and a home? No problemo. Reviewer Brian Lowry at Variety explains how Hewitt’s character Riley gets softened around the edges. She “spends a lot of time counseling her clients -- providing helpful, homespun marital advice to stroke them emotionally, not just physically.”
Cheat with the husband, then tell him to buy the wife flowers? Love is never having to say you’re faithful.
None of this has anything to do with reality. Lifetime based its TV movie and subsequent series on an Odessa, Texas massage parlor called “Healing Touch.” But the real story ended up with 68 arrested clients – including an assistant district attorney, a city planner, the owner of an insurance company, several teachers, and a well-known rancher. Two of the three sex workers there were strung out on cocaine.
It wasn’t the glamorous life you can fictionalize on TV. Ironically, that reality is too “edgy” for the envelope-pushers. It might cause someone to become – perish the thought – “judgmental.”
- Brent Bozell's blog
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A man made her do it, naturally
Submitted by CO2Maker on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:10am.
Go easy on her. It could have been a Catholic priest who forced her to have sex, then forced her to deliver the baby (you know, not have an abortion), and left her.
His name was probably Dick, too.
prostitution is far from glamorous
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:17am.
Its a hard life And beautiful women like that look like JLH have to put up with Johns refusing to shower or haggle over tip all the time
They deserve every penny they get.
I wouldn't say any more, Shawn.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:28am.
;)
you are probably right
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:37am.
Maybe I'm just a glutton. for punishment because i also enjoy S & .....
Okay okay your right. Quit while I'm ahead. ;-)
I'm not getting the "ahead" part...
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:47am.
;)
well i just figure
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:06am.
Different strokes for different folks
Id pay for that-with her, that is!
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 9:29am.
But realistically, the "massage therapists" usually look like the johns on her show, and Im talking about the WOMEN, too, lol!
I imagine with a comment like that
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:56pm.
You're the kind of guy that had to pay for it.
Another Z-i-i-i-i-ing, Rad.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:14pm.
.
Nuance
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:18am.
Get it right, folks, she's not a prostitute!
She's a "massage therapist who turns tricks."
She would only be a prostitute if she wasn't doing massages too!
tricky
Submitted by Tim Graham on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:48pm.
I think Brent was working his way up to the word "whore."
I wasn't attributing that to Brent.
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:00pm.
I figured he was using the description the network gave of the show.
Typical Hollywood liberal
Submitted by JohnP in OK on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:21am.
They whine about the objectification of women...and then create shows like this which are all about objectifying women.
To JLH: Don't ever say another word about how women are treated as sex objects. You forfeited the right to EVER complain again with this show.
Speaking of which, JLH still
Submitted by G L on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:47pm.
Speaking of which, JLH still has a butt that's way too big. Gee, now that objectification is OK, I feel better about saying that and I'm confident JLH won't mind, either.
This sure isn't the first attempt.
Submitted by Mozilla on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 1:28pm.
This sure isn't the first attempt. The media and Hollywood glorifies sleazy stories, jobs and characters.
Christina Applegate did a movie in 1994 where she played a stripper. Demi Moore played one in Striptease in 95. Tori Spelling did a Lifetime movie about being a call girl. The Poison Ivy series of films about sleazy and seductive women used Drew Barrymore, Alyssa Milano and Jamie Presley. The third film had Presley's character trying to sleep with a woman.
Then there was Blaze with Lolita Dovinovich from 1989 about a stripper who hanged out with Louisiana governor Huey Long. But it goes on. Natalie Portman played a stripper in 2004's The Closer and last year Christina Aguilera played a showgirl in Burlesque. Then there was 1995's Showgirl with Gina Gershon and Elizabeth Berkley and Bette Midler played Gypsy Rose Lee in a movie in the 90s. Of course there was Pretty Woman, Boogie Nights and Leaving Las Vegas.
After that, you have stripper's, prostitutes or playboy characters in movies such as Salma Hayek in both Dogma and From Dusk Till Dawn, Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver, Marisa Tomei in The Wrestler, Heather Graham in the Hangover, Rebecca De Mornay in Risky Business and Anna Faris in House Bunny.
In shows this has happened as well. Laura Leighton's Sydney in Melrose Place, was a stripper at one point in the show's run. Shannen Doherty's character in BH 90210 was sleeping with older men for money. Then her replacement Tiffani Thiessen had a affair with a married man who payed her to go away. This season's Playboy club got canned early though. But Hef's ex-Girlfriends got a show on E! then two shows after they left him following the exploits of Kendra and Holly.
So this is nothing new.
I wonder if they'll have her doing the Secret Service?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:23am.
"a new drama with a single-mother whore at its sympathetic center."
Didn't I just read about this happening in Cartagena? Maybe the agents watch too much television.
I've heard that President Bubba has requested that the SS rehire the fired agents, and assign them to his security detail. Seems they have a skill set he can use.
Nailed it!!!!
Submitted by powers2be on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 1:16pm.
That merits a 9.8 with a minor deduction for the dismount.
Al Gore wants a part
Submitted by CO2Maker on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:37pm.
Algorithm wants a recurring part in the show, the story line that involves a Portland hotel massage out-call encounter.
Yeah, I understand he's still
Submitted by G L on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 1:04pm.
Yeah, I understand he's still a little touchy about the term "crazed sex poodle," though.
Can we file this one under
Submitted by Mr. Mike on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 11:47am.
Can we file this one under frequenting prostitutes helps the ecomony or something?
In other news Lifetime is run by unattractive lib feminists and gay men.
What a shame!
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:10pm.
I used to enjoy Lifetime movies. I remember one that had a really good and noble woman that was married or engaged to what seemed to be a nice guy. After a whirlwind courtship or marriage, his true nature came out. Yes, he was a no-good, b*stard.
Before long he started to abuse or try to kill her. Naturally she wouldn't take it and began training in martial arts or bought a large caliber handgun. During one of his violent fits, she killed him with her bare hands or shot him.
Luckily she had a very great lawyer, that happened to be a semi-feminized hunk. After a trial that could have gone either way, she walked out of the courtroom free. She began to date the lawyer, who seemed like a nice guy. Then after a whirlwind courtship.....
What was the name of that movie?? Oh yeah. It was called Every Movie That's Ever Been on Lifetime!
(laughing) Nice.
Submitted by G L on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:51pm.
(laughing) Nice.
Come on, you missed the best
Submitted by G L on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:52pm.
Come on, you missed the best part. In another interview, Hewitt said that she hoped her Ghost Whisperer fans would follow her to her new show.
?
Seriously?
Yeah, all those families with kids who enjoyed a fairly wholesome show about love and forgiveness are going to gather around the TV set to watch a prostitute ply her "craft" every week... Hey, it's must-see family entertainment! The kiddies will love it!
Mr. Bozell was right about her brain.
“I tried to make a joke on
Submitted by redfish on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 12:46pm.
“I tried to make a joke on Twitter that I wondered why people were not writing to ‘Dexter’ about killing people, or to ‘Nurse Jackie’ about taking drugs on the job. Those are big, big television characters audiences love and adore....so if there can be a serial killer we all like, I feel like a happy-endings specialist is the least of our worries."
'Secret Diary of a Call Girl' was also on Showtime, but at least that was on a premium channel and had better writing.
Prostitution is not a funny thing
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 1:00pm.
Nor is it a glamorous thing. I can't begin to describe how revolting this is. It's trying to normalize something profoundly harmful to individuals, families, and society.
its a show with a plot
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 1:44pm.
Nobody is trying to normalize anything.
~In her own words, shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 2:01pm.
Hewitt just admitted that her character on her previous show gave real-life mediums an image boost (a sexualized one), and that she thinks that her new show will do the same for massage therapists. What she doesn't seem to take into account is the fact that serious professionals may not appreciate having their professional image tarnished by the association.
Portraying aberrant behavior in a glamorized fashion on a weekly show IS normalizing it.
Okay i see your point
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:10pm.
I guess there a "couple" of reasons I disagree. :-)
Its got a nice looking main character and it is about her making a living providing a service many enjoy and I hope it does well
Once again
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:05pm.
"providing a service many enjoy"
There ya go. Sex, to shawn, is absolutely nothing other than a cheap carnival thrill, and women are nothing but life support systems for ***** (h/t to Stephen King for that last phrase)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
depends Unsane
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:13pm.
Regardless if it is a deeply personal intimate moment with your spouse, a one night stand or if you pay for it, does not bother me either way.
Simple
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 7:23pm.
It does not bother you either way because absolutely nothing in life means s*** to you.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Well if it really bothers you so much
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 8:01pm.
.......I actually really care if the Raiders can control Peyton Manning this year ;-)
What a strange set of priorities
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:38am.
The Raiduhs know more about Manning's neck than HE does, and they WILL end his career on Sunday September 30.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Why do you have to go t that
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 8:49pm.
Why do you have to go t that extreme?
Why?
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:36am.
Because it is factually correct. Why does that bother you?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
It's not factually correct.
Submitted by balboa on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:23am.
It's not factually correct. It's wild hyperbole.
I wish
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 5:35pm.
You obviously don't spend much time, if any at all, reading shawn's posts.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
So, Lifetime has gone from
Submitted by LinTaylor on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 1:41pm.
So, Lifetime has gone from the channel that tried to empower women by portraying all men as violent rapist scumbags, to the channel that tries to empower women by...making a show about a woman who prostitutes herself?
I...what?
What's next
Submitted by CO2Maker on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 2:43pm.
Pole dancing middle-schoolers and their PTA moms.
Cumming to Lifeline on a premium channel on your local cabal service.
Like I said in another topic,
Submitted by LinTaylor on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 7:25pm.
Like I said in another topic, I always found it kind of weird that Lifetime would air "How I Met Your Mother" when the most popular character on the show is an unstoppable sexhound, exactly the type of person they tend to portray as a wife-beater (Except that they wouldn't cast an actor as handsome as NPH).
But now that I think about it, it was probably just an early sign of their slow decay.
Not much different from Democrats telling us what we eat
Submitted by ra44mr2 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 2:29pm.
So now we will tell people what they can do with their bodies because we find it offensive. You know like they do about us eating meat. Last i checked hookers didnt go looking for married men to get as johns. Sorry but hookers dont break up marriages, husbands and wives do. Im no expert at the bible but last i checked God gave us free will so we are presuming to know better than God now eh? Sorry i dont think im better or know more than God does. Maybe you all do but that makes you not any different than democrats that tell us what we can eat, what we should drive, etc. I agree it shouldnt be on lifetime, it belongs on HBO or one of the other movie channels considering the content and storyline. But beyond that i dont honestly care what they show, if i dont want to watch it i have this magical device called a REMOTE and i change the channel. TADA!! Problem solved. Are we EVER going to be better than the democrats? Even the democrats are just as guilty, they give women free reign over their uterus but the vagina, "oh hell no" they can dictate what a woman does with that.
There's nothing wrong with
Submitted by redfish on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:40pm.
There's nothing wrong with promoting healthy eating habits and fuel efficient cars either.
People have free will, but positive influences and negative influences also exist. Otherwise we wouldn't even have to remind people they have free will, so they can make better choices. I don't feel bad about saying drug pushers influence people to take drugs.
Promoting and legislating
Submitted by ra44mr2 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:46pm.
Are two different things. I guess in this instance the democrats are ALMOST better than the republicans. Since there arent that many laws banning the eating of certain foods. But there is a ban on behavior that the so called moral majority deems offensive or "dangerous". Paid sex is just as dangerous as free sex yet there is no law banning sex..yet.
stupid double post
Submitted by ra44mr2 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:49pm.
stupid double post
Yet another
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:08pm.
You are yet somebody else that believes the First Amendment applies only to certain people.
In other words, the artist can say or do whatever they please but if a critic like Mr. Bozell has anything to say on the matter, he should be FORCED to SHUT UP.
You are actually worse than the Dems in that you think freedom is something only certain people enjoy.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
wow way to miss the fricking point
Submitted by ra44mr2 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:29pm.
1. I was correcting his statement that hookers break up marriages they do NOT.
2. At no point did i say he wasnt allowed to say anything about it, my point is this, its a ridiculous waste of conservatives time to complain about a show about a fictional hooker and tie it to the decline of our society. MY POINT was prostitution shouldnt even BE illegal, yet we are complaining about this instead of going out there and pointing out the failures of the left. I didnt tell him to shut up, i didnt call him any names. Thats the left that does that i am now considered a far right wing nutjob by the mainstream media.
3. YOU are the one telling me to shut up.
At NO point did i attack the messenger. YOU however DID.
~Of course it is, and should be, illegal
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:32pm.
What's the matter? Do you not like how your mugshots come out?
yes of course
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 4:47pm.
Anyone that disagrees with this law must have been arrested. Geez you can disagree with someone without using a baiting comment ;-)
~I can't, actually
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 5:51pm.
as it would cause an imbalance in the universe, setting off a chain of cataclysmic events which would end in the destruction of all life as we know it.
And I can't let that happen, because I'm a humanitarian.
Gosh
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 5:57pm.
I never knew selfless you are until this moment
Mother Teresa would be proud
~Where have you been all these years?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 6:24pm.
It's my hallmark feature.
right here Bru
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 6:33pm.
As I was often the inspiration for some of those lovely cards.
~I'm sure the honor was a heavy burden at times
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 6:36pm.
Maxine says it best, really.
It sure was
Submitted by shawn. on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 8:06pm.
On the outside I might have sounded condescending but in reality I was in complete awe about the extremely clever way about the way you described me picking my nose and coming up with booger metaphors. Hans Christian Anderson and Robert Frost, eat your heart out ;-)
~I see someone is feeling vengeful
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:50am.
in a petty, spiteful, passive-aggressive, (dare I say it?) booger-picking sort of way.
In other words, a shawnasm has just occurred. Clean-up on aisle 5!
oh come on
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:53am.
I was just having fun and trading playful jabs. Didn't mean anything by it. Sorry if it seemed spiteful :-(
She's right, she can't.
Submitted by balboa on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 6:18pm.
She's right, she can't.
~Thanks
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 6:22pm.
for letting me know the burns haven't healed yet.
:-D
Getting defensive, are we?
Submitted by Unsane on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 7:29pm.
1. Really? Rest assured that adultery, whether done with prostitutes or not, can and does break up marriages.
2. No. You made your smartass comment about using the remote to change the channel, which means nothing more than "critics should be forced to SHUT UP". If you were in fact a libertarian/conservative, you'd be singing Mr. Bozell's praises for doing a public service. He IS changing the channel, but he is telling you why, and why he thinks you should too. At which point you are still 100% free to do what you want.
The critic performs an important role here. Instead of acknowledging this, you throw a fit that "its a ridiculous waste of conservatives time to complain about a show". Actually it isn't; it Mr. Bozell's prerogative to talk about whatever he wishes in the media, and he can tie it to whatever theme he wants.
3. Really? Where? And absolutely you did attack the messenger.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Thank You!
Submitted by Merk3030 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:23pm.
Mr. Bozell.
I kept seeing the commercials for this garbage and I knew it was only a matter of time before I saw a NB piece on this.
Jennifer Love Hooters...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 3:36pm.
...has forged a rather unremarkable career, hiding her lack of talent and mashed potatoe butt, behind (or beneath) her trademark cleavage...
Bimbo's Career Going Down
Submitted by trainman55 on Sat, 04/21/2012 - 10:53pm.
It appears that she is now typecast to fit her own reality based lifestyle!
When did knowing and
Submitted by spikebu2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 7:05am.
When did knowing and understanding the difference between right and wrong become judgmental? Whoring is morally wrong. So is lying, cheating and stealing. Huh. It occurs to me the vast majority of our government representatives are lying, cheating, stealing whores. They have a vested interest in "changing" our minds. Actual whores, don't. I don't hate prostitutes. I can see how women can fall into it. There are hundreds of thousands of little girls and boys who have no choice in the matter. None of this makes it right. It is morally wrong, it always will be. Doesn't mean we have to turn our backs on the people who are in it. They are not JLH. I believe most prostitutes were forced into it. They didn't choose prostitution as a career. It was a life preserver. We are being trained to believe prostitution is a life choice. Just as homosexuality is. Just as pedophilia is. We know the difference between right and wrong. It's not judgmental.
i disagree
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:04am.
Some are forced into it, but many choose to do it because there is much money to be made
Good morning shawn
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:26am.
That's a very moral occupational choice you're defending.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:43am.
Cajun has schooled Shawn many many times on the horrible circumstances that lead women into lives of prostitution and the vile lives they lead. She has done this through statistics and her experiences as a social worker. Yet he continues to say many of them do it for the money. I cannot fathom why he refuses to see the truth of this.
there are some that have had bad circumstances
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:06pm.
And some that do it simply for the money. I simply feel it is not my business or the governments if they are doing it willingly
Despite all the evidence of its harm...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:48pm.
.
The evidence of cigarettes are indisputable
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 2:21pm.
........they cause lung cancer and heart disease, yet they are legal because the government gives us free will in this case
Here's why, rad:
Submitted by Unsane on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 5:38pm.
I cannot fathom why he refuses to see the truth of this. Because to him, women are NOTHING.
Well, check that. Women, to him, have one purpose: to provide a very cheap carnival thrill.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Here's why Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:09pm.
You see, the women involved in prostitution, men see as "service". Most people dont care if their mechanic hasnt had lunch, working in a hot steamy garage, or hurt his back. The customer just wants to make sure that the car is fixed and promptly. The mechanic "chooses" to work in that particular auto shop so its his choice to sweat it out day after day because he is making a living and supporting his family.
Men who see women in professions of "service" dont see them as real people. Its all about the "customer", the "service" and "the price". These kind of women are the ones who really know their place and their "worth" as well. There will always be "customers" for those kind of women.
This kind of thinking has found approval in a hedonistic society, devaluing marriage, adultery is believed to be "healthy" for a marriage, single parenthood is no longer a disgrace. Even celebreties show off their illigitimate children. Movies, tv, and books now show women in the professions of "sexual service" as to somehow have credibility. That is so the "customer" has no need to ask moral questions, have a conscience, shame nor responsibility. That kind of society must devalue morals, boundaries, and any "religions" that place limits on immorality.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Caj
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:18pm.
Like I said, you have put so much documentation about the harms of prostitution, but he refuses to see it. Insisting that it doesn't harm women and they do it for the big money is ridiculous. If it was so easy, so well paying, and so doshgurn fun, why aren't more women doing it?
Right on Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:30pm.
Look at these lovely and happy women.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/10/12/ramsey-mummers-present-durin...
cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 7:02pm.
I have nothing but respect for women that wait until marriage to be intimate
I'm saying that not everybody feels the same way. If women want to have one night stands or be single parents it is none of my business and I respect their choice
Ask yourself this shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 8:40pm.
If you see a crack head sitting on the sidewalk with the really bad shakes, would you offer him $40 to get a "fix"? Offer to get him a taxi to take him to a rehab center? Or just walk on by and later find out that he stole a purse from an old lady.
Prostitution is much the same situation as the crack head. Bad choices or circumstances got them into a mess. But, they do not make their choices and simply live behind closed doors. The actions of people, ALL people, have effects on others in countless ways. We can claim that it was "their" right of choice, and basically with that attitude, we have "contributed" in some way but then it grants us absolution.
Just something to think about shawn.
Hi Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:10pm.
First I would like to thank you for keeping things civil. I love to debate but it is hard to be nice if somebody basically is accusing me of thinking a woman is only for pleasuring a man.
I do not agree with your metaphor. I would not give my business to a crack addict I see on the street shaking for the next fix. I would also never give my money" as a handout" to aid a prostitute that is shaking for her next fix. I also believe pimps and anybody that tries to force a woman to do something against her will should be punished.
There are some that make a good living doing what they do and are not addicted to drugs and have issues.
shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:19pm.
Cajun has backed up her facts about abuse, etc. Can you back up your claims about earning big money, loving their jobs, and not being drug addicted?
go ahead shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:27pm.
You can feign and dodge all you want. You cannot see that there is no possible way that a normal ordinary rational woman would engage in prostitution or drug addiction willingly. It is the most demeaning destructive life for any female. To even consider prostitution as a "career" means she is mentally disturbed or damaged emotionaly in some way. Period. C'est tu fini. Ask drsam who can give you a better diagnosis. But trust me shawn, the very fact that a woman engages in prostitution means she aint normal.
It doesnt matter how much she makes or where she lives or pretends she is happy to her "johns". She has distorted her designed role as WOMAN in the real world, in an organized society.Her view of herself and her actions are delusional and self destructive. She is NOT a normal woman because no normal woman would ever engage in prostitution. Being male, I suspect you could never understand that so I will cut you some slack, but dont look for any ordinary rational female to ever agree with you.
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:34pm.
I did not dodge anything you said. I said I disagreed with your metaphor. I have stated here once a few years ago that some of my online friends are in this profession and have said that they enjoy it but it really does not matter because many people here feel they are untrustworthy because of their profession so it's useless for me to use that argument.
You have seen many ugly things in your lifetime Cajun and it cannot be easy to forget them. I am simply saying that you have a right to your opinion but you are not necessarily right.
dont take my word for it shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:02pm.
You think I just base my opinion on my professional experiences???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/154140.stm
http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000106
http://mentalhealthupdate.blogspot.com/2009/02/prostitution-and-drug-abu...
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/c-prostitution-facts.html
http://www.genderberg.com/phpNuke/modules.php?name=FAQ&myfaq=yes&id_cat=...
EDIT: Shawn, no offense intended but please read the last link even if you dont bother reading the others I have listed. The genderberg FAQ's should answer ALL of your aforementioned questions.
Well Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:04pm.
Your second link has both sides of the argument and your last link actually deals with human trafficking and child prostitution which I think is abhorrent.
I got links too.
http://www.sexwork.com/escorts/ABCProstitution.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/26/ontario-court-of-appeal-greenlig...
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Adam-Smith-Institute-Blog/2010/060...
I'm sure you disagree with my findings just like I disagree with yours, we have a difference in opinion, not a schooling as radical calls it.
shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:14pm.
Cajun's link, with the exception of the last one, rely on science, and use individual stories to flesh it out. Your links are political, done to make life easier on police from what I can tell, and proponents of the industry, who might be pimps for all we know.
Sadly, you are determined to ignore the truth because it fits your fantasy. You were schooled, you just don't know it.
correct Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:31pm.
One of the links I posted addresses the current "celebrity" former prostitutes, and lists their names, who try to show the "positives" of the profession. However, the article also reveals that most of these women are now "pimps" , have websites, do interviews and are now making a lot more money. They rarely discuss the negatives of the profession since that would defeat their purpose and they would have to find another "job".
The problem of prostitution is world wide and many countries like Sweden found out the hard way that making prostitution legal had few if any, positive results.
The genderberg link is interesting only in that it addresses many of the same beliefs held by shawn about prostitution that is common among men. Very real distortions and misconceptions about the roles of "johns" and prostitutes held by those who believe it is all about a woman's right to choose.
There are many professional groups that have done extensive and long term studies involving prostitutes but I did not post those links because they require PDF. And they are lengthy and full of professional jargon...;-)
Of course that is what you think
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:38pm.
But coming from a person that cannot comprehend there is a difference between adults and children for exploiting themselves is hardly surprising. Of course there are not going to be many articles on why prostitutes are not mentally ill. Google if Rush Limbaugh is mentally ill and you get over 700000 hits. Google why Rush Limbaugh is not mentally ill and will be hard to find one but that does not mean be is mentally ill.
You can think what you wish, but for the countries that have legalized it like Costa Rica things are just fine.
From a person who cannot differentiate
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:53pm.
The harm prostitution causes I'm not surprised by your answer. You avoid the fact that you cannot post a link with science to back up your claims. Saying everything is just fine in Costa Rica hardly disproves Cajun's links to scientific studies.
Edit a quick search reveals all is not fine in Costa Rica as child prostitution is a booming industry. Can't link because I'm on my phone now.
shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:45pm.
Lets play nice. Why would you think that my views on prostitution is simply based on my "opinion"?
My college degrees are in Psychology and Sociology. 40 yrs of study, hundreds of hours of professional training from some of the best qualified experts in the country, and 30 yrs of actual professional experience working with those in dysfunctional life styles. Add all of that together and there is my "opinion". If I was an auto mechanic, I would feel out of place discussing prostitution, just like I rarely discuss at NB, global warming or military rules of engagement.
Just because you have met several women in the "profession" does not mean you understand all aspects of prostitution and its effects on the women involved, their families and society in general.
We have discussed this before and I am not trying to change your mind. I simply try to correct your distorted view of a very complex issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4
I always try to play nice Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:12pm.
I don't claim to know all aspects about this trade.
I also respect your impressive resume you should be very proud of your accomplishments
That being said, many people in the msm also have impressive degrees and experience but that does not mean I am going to concede Barbara Walters is correct simply because of her pedigree.
ok shawn, one more*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:16pm.
That comment to Ms Rad about not being able to see the difference between exploitation of adults and children was rude and sure did sound a lot like incestmo.
The links I showed you state that 94% of all prostitutes interviewed admit to being "forced" into prostitution. The average age of women starting out in prostitution is under 14. 70% of the women interviewed suffered from PTSD, depression and 50% have attempted suicide at least once. 70% of these women abuse drugs and alcohol.
Taking advantage of a woman who has been traumatized by child sexual abuse or coercing them into prostitution, though they are adults, is still exploitation.
If you wish to continue to play nice please do NOT compare me to Barbara Walters, I took that as an insult.
You may continue to espouse the virtues of prostitution regarding the 6% that state it was a choice and how much money they make and how good they feel about themselves.
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:31pm.
"Fair is a word for children and democrats. I have never equivocated on this issue. It ranks right up there with child porn for me."
I was not the one to make the comparison but if you feel it was rude I will no longer say it
I apologize about the BW comparison
Shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 8:43am.
You made it personal when you said I used to be fair.
Uh huh
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 9:20am.
I guess saying it is sad for my family is not personal?
Good evening Caj
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:41pm.
You are speaking moral absolutes to a firm believer in situation ethics. Shawn lives in the gray world of compromise. Anything he thinks is moral is moral to him regardless how sinful it is.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:04pm.
Do you have any hard facts to share?
Uns
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:15pm.
You got it. Very sad for his family.
wow
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 7:07pm.
There was a time you were actually fair. Wanting the goverment to bud out means I feel women are only here to satisfy men is kind of far fetched.
No, it's that you deny the reality of prostitution
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 7:38pm.
and it's harmful affect on the women involved, and the families.
Fair is a word for children and democrats. I have never equivocated on this issue. It ranks right up there with child porn for me.
Actually I did not
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 8:30pm.
I said not all prostitutes are forced into the profession and that it should not be the governments business. Actually not fair are words I hear people use many times regrading the main stream media.
Perhaps understanding that an adult making her own decisions and a somebody exploiting an underage child are different things might be helpful.
Define exploitation shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 8:50pm.
An old lady who knows nothing about investments has a broker that takes advantage and steals her money.
A young woman desperate and mentally disturbed is convinced by her boyfriend how to make easy money. He tells her he will take care of her. She knows nothing about what the world of prostitution means nor was she prepared for the facts that her boyfriend would beat the hell out of her when she didnt make enough money or she turned down a "john" because he was a weirdo and wants his money back.
Your auto mechanic that you have been to countless times now tells you that your car needs a new brake job. You know nothing about cars so you agree to pay $2400 . You later found out all you needed was brake fluid.
It's called exploitation shawn
You ar right
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 9:39pm.
However i see nothing wrong with exploiting ones self. A man that tricks an old lady out of her money is wrong. A mechanic that rips off his customers should get a visit from the Better Business Buerro. A man that forces a woman into prostitution or beats her should be behind bars
I answered all your questions hopefully you won't say I am dodging.
➚ Better Business Burro
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 10:10am.
No, Shawn. They move too slow. ;-}
Lol
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 10:15am.
;-)
~Telling yourself that she probably "likes it"
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:22pm.
and that she "makes a lot of money" is a great way to assuage the feeble, flabby remnants of one's conscience.
conscience?
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:52pm.
I am faithful and keep my vows. Just because I believe a woman should have the right to do what she wants is no reason to feel guilty.
Actually that is not true
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 6:49pm.
I have much respect for women. I just believe it is not anyones business what they do behind closed doors
Your post here contradicts you
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 8:18pm.
Actually, if you had any sort of respect for women, you would be appalled at women engaging in an activity (prostitution) which is usually reserved for extreme circumstances of survival (there I go putting on my history hat again).
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I did not say I liked it or found it appalling
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 8:31pm.
Only that it is none of my business
Nice try
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 7:42pm.
Therefore you wholeheartedly approve of it.
To me, prostitution is horrifying on countless levels.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Not sure why anyone
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 8:26pm.
Undermine Marriage, turn sex into a barter system, and abort the mishaps. Wow some fun,,,,,,
Speaking of which...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 8:59pm.
an Atlanta teenager was just recently honored for having performed an emergency coitus with a local streetwalker. Got one of those "Hero" plaques from the mayor, his money back...the whole shebang.
Jer
~Historically
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:13pm.
Women have turned to prostitution as a last resort against utter privation and death, but let's not let that get in the way of a joke.
It was a meaningless and harmless aside...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 2:58pm.
but let's not let that get in the way of taking a patronizing cheap shot.
Jer
~Yeah, jokes about prostitution
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 7:05pm.
are always going to go over well.
In a bar. Or a sewer.
Millions of women throughout history have, in the process of being forcefully prostituted, been abused, degraded, kidnapped, tortured, drugged, raped, murdered, and had their babies cut out of them or murdered when they were born, but let's make jokes about modern day streetwalkers to invalidate Unsane's point.
Great idea.
When you get over your case
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 8:50pm.
of overreactionitis, please let me know. In the meantime, get plenty of rest and drink lots of fluids.
Jer
~How snide and....patronizing
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 10:56am.
Fine, keep blowing past the point to maintain your false sense of pride.
Defining Deviancy Down
Submitted by Nosterrex on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 8:22pm.
This show is just another indication among a myriad of indications showing that we are now living in a Post-Christian ethical system. We have simply returned to the way things were prior to the influence of Christian morality. There are still Christians in the world, but Christianity has little or no influence in our society.
Hi Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:23pm.
It is getting awfully thin up there. Lets not talk about prostitution anymore because we are not going to agree.
Lets talk about this show and individual choices. For me this represents the fact that we are a free country and women are not going to be stoned for showing cleavage and having one night stands. Why not be happy in your own life and live it to the fullest without worrying about what others do?
shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 12:28am.
I bet you live in California. "As long as it doesnt affect me" makes anything acceptable. But that is what I have been trying to tell you for the last 2 years shawn. " Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."...is not only a physics theory but works just as well for sociology.
As long as human beings live in close proximity, actions of some will eventually affect all of us. Denying that eventuality is pointless and naive. Try not to view things from a personal level. Try to view actions and events in the big picture and how it affects all of society. How certain behaviors once taboo are now acceptable, and how the continuation of degradation of our values will affect the future of the society that your children will try to live within. Pedophilia is unacceptable to you but look how professional psychologists are considering making pedophilia less of a perversion. Can you imagine our society if pedophilia becomes "normalized"?
Demeaning and degrading television presented as entertainment has a much greater influence than you think. It is slowly grinding down barriers and our moral compass. Morality is not just a judgemental view of actions, it is the boundaries by which a society places value. Those boundaries are essential in maintaing order and discipline, laws are to protect not just prosecute, and values determine importance in a societies best interest.
We, as responsible adults, and members of society, have an obligation to consider changes to our society that may not be in the best interest of our future. We dont just live in this country, we are an active participating contributing part of this society. Each of us must accept responsibility for our actions and others and assess many changes we are faced with, in order to protect that orderly society.
We do not live in an isolated world. Demeaning television shows about women does not just harm a few womens feelings. It has much greater impact overall on world views of women than you think. If you dont agree with that then tell me the purpose of "advertising".
Edward Bernays wrote a book in 1925 called PROPAGANDA. It is about brainwashing and indoctrination. Hitler so loved it, he followed the tenets of Bernays' theories. Bernays was so dismayed by the evil adaptation of his theories, he renamed the book.....ADVERTISING...
Get the picture? It isnt about television entertainment, it isnt just about morality. It is a part of re-education and indoctrination. It is a slow and incremental design to destroy the basic boundaries of an organized civilized society made up of fragile human beings. Think I'm exaggerating? Read Bernays book.
Caj
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 8:28am.
After such a well stated post nothing more to say! As always, nicely put.
Good morning Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 04/23/2012 - 10:07am.
You are right that there are consequences to our actions that being said. I honestly do not feel pedophila will be accepted in our society.
My attitude is not I don't care about other folks, I truly do and I try to help when I have a chance either with donations or with my time. I had a disagreement with a liberal a few weeks ago and he was very angry about Kirk Camerons comments regarding gays going to hell and homosexuality being abnormal. I told him, Cameron has a right to his opinion and overall the Church does much good for society, but he would not have it and actually stated someone should take bat to these people's heads. This is when I backed off and realized it was useless.
I enjoy watching shows like Dexter and Two and a Half men. Do these shows glorify violence and sex? I would say so. I honestly do not understand why it bothers folks that I like these shows. These shows have not change me and I like them for mindless entertainment.
As far as women go, there are many of them that want to get married, have kids and the white picket fence. However some like being single and want to have different partners before finding the right one. I don't believe these women are contributing to the downfall of our society either.
But...
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 7:42pm.
As far as women go, there are many of them that want to get married, have kids and the white picket fence. However some like being single and want to have different partners before finding the right one. I don't believe these women are contributing to the downfall of our society either. But last I checked...isn't this a little different from prostitution!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Exactly uns*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 8:21pm.
Great catch. Since the very first humans existed, if you are a creationist, believe that man and woman was created for a reason. Humans require the "mating" of male and female to reproduce. But humans also require that attatchment with another human in order to develope into ones fullest potential and intended purposes in life. That relationship is the basis of a society and basically the future of mankind.
To think that a woman exists only for the purpose of sexual gratification of men is narcissistic beyond my comprehension since it implies a total misunderstanding of human beings in any measure. Women may engage in promiscuity but that is a moral choice. She does seek., like all normal men and women, that "right one". But a woman or man, who participates in prostitution engages in activities that is totally foreign to the concept of normal design of man/woman relationship essential to the continued existence of human society.
Some see the differences in the sexes as "sexuality" whereas we have been created different for a significant reason. The differences is what provides our society with the ability to "reproduce" the species but it is societal roles and behavior that creates "equality". Bring that down back to the most primitive animalistic behavioral thinking and then you understand the purpose of male/female. But humans were granted more than the call for "mating' , we have been given intelligence and free will in order to have a society that grows, evolves and enhances the species, or so one would think. Not sure anymore...;-)
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:27pm.
Some men and women enjoy being intimate with one another before marriage.
I respect their choice because some like to experiment before they find the right person. It is using somebody for sex, its about finding the chemistry mentally and physically.
Good evening shawn
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:48pm.
The lifestyle you are promoting here is the driving force behin the disease, murdered babies, and fatherless homes prevalent today. Hold your head up high, and tell us you're proud to be a part of the destruction of the traditional family.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
You can have fun and be responsible at the same time
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:13pm.
Birth control should be used. Condoms are pretty effective and are 96 percent effective against pregnancy and disease
➚ Excellent advice, Shawn
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:19pm.
Because you only watch porn where condoms are in use, right?
Can I say "somehow I doubt it"?
lol
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:28pm.
You got me on that one CA. I have no come back
Lame excuses
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:20pm.
Lame excuses and compromise
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Shawn, Yes, some men and
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:06pm.
Shawn,
Yes, some men and women enjoy being intimate with one another before marriage.
Some men and women enjoy killing others, some men and women enjoy pedophilia, some men and women enjoy countless of things that you would agree are abnormal.
In other words, just because sex is enjoyable does not mean that it justifies that we do as we please with it!
Too many human beings are slaves to sex.
The experimentation you speak of has lead to STDs, broken families, abortions, single mothers.
Again, why do you ignore the evils of sexual experimentation? I know why, because you did it and you can't believe that you did any wrong. You want to look in the mirror and whole heartly believe you are a very good person and there can't be punishment for merely seeking sexual pleasure. But admitting that you did wrong in the past is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength and a step closer to getting close to God!
Please Shawn, stop glamorizing sexual actions which only contribute to the destruction of our culture, society, families, children lives, women's and men's life.
LL
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:24pm.
Sorry bud. I am with a wonderful woman now and I consider myself blessed, but there is zero regret on my part for having fun before being getting hitched.
Shawn, Would you tell your
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 2:18am.
Shawn,
Would you tell your sons or daughters how many women you slept with? If not, why not? If you have no regrets? I notice that you didn't use the word proud...which I believe it is a step in the right direction.
Don't be sorry for me, Shawn. I didn't point out the above for me. It was for you.
Whether you feel regret or not is between you and God, but we must ALL know that God WILL hold us accountable for ALL of our actions, past, present and future.
Do you ever stop to think of all the women you hurt because you were just having fun? Do you ever think back and say to yourself, "That girl wanted it too, but hmm..I wonder, was she falling for me and I just toyed with her?"
Do you ever stop to think that maybe you left a girl pregnant and she aborted the baby after you had your fun with her and she never told you?
You slept with other human beings with REAL feelings who are REAL people. If you don't fear the Lord, at least regret it for the women you probably hurt. Oh, I know they chose to sleep with you, so in your mind, it is all ok.
Regret is not a sign of weakness Shawn, PRIDE is. Not regreting our sins is a dangerous path to walk, Shawn, very dangerous path to walk. And it is not about falling into despair for sinning, it is about realizing that we did wrong and doing everything within our power, with the Help of God, to never sin again.
But, yes, you must believe this. No point in me preaching to deaf ears.
Unsane
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:19pm.
I believe I asked Cajun to not talk about prostitution anymore because we don't agree. I wanted her thoughts on shows like this one and how it is great we have a free society
Not quite
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 7:15am.
You demanded cajun not talk about prostitution anymore because she is consistently reminding you of some very nasty facts you desperately want to ignore. There, I fixed it.
Fortunately no one reminded you of how your attitudes towards prostitution can bite you very personally in the ass, because we all would have been treated to your angrily lashing out at people for merely pointing out consequences. You know, consequences are those things you so desperately want to avoid, dispense with, or wish away, but are nonetheless there and born of all of our actions and decisions?
Face it: absolutely nothing, nothing on this earth, means s*** to you. This includes life itself, which you view as extremely CHEAP. I can't relate. I try, but I just can't.
Mindless entertainment is great (I guess) but it makes my brain rot away. I stay away from it. I need things which actually engage my brain but then I value being part of the only species on earth (that I am aware of) that is self-aware. You whine about how people get on you for drowning yourself routinely in you precious mindless entertainment, but spare me. That isn't anything compared to what I get (and don't get) because I choose not to play along.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Well Unsane
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:55am.
With all due respect, I will to be as tactful as I can. Since your post are so nice. Who are you to preach about women? Are you forgetting that you have never been with a women?
There is nothing wrong with that and you want to save your pure and innocent self for marriage and prefer to get excited over history books, however don't you find it kind of odd that a man of your age has never been on a second date? Perhaps look at your condescending ways and realize that the problem might lie with you and not the woman you want to date.
ASSumptions
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:15am.
ASSumptions by an immoral jackASS.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good morning cocodrie
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:25am.
I don't hear you name-calling in my direction very often. I believe I have tried to be as civil as I can in this discussion. Do my views really bother you this much?
Well then
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:47am.
Well then, why do you make such demeaning ane asinine remarks?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Cocodrie
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:52am.
Have you seen me say one mean thing to you, Cajun, Cool Arrow or Wrathful Brunette in this forum? Sorry but taking shots at my family or saying women mean nothing to me except for cheap thrills is kind of insulting.
Weak
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:04pm.
Sorry but taking shots at my family or saying women mean nothing to me except for cheap thrills is kind of insulting. Instead of doing some serious soul-searching and trying to grasp the fact that if women DID mean ANYTHING to you, you would be UTTERLY HORRIFIED at prostitution and libertine behavior, you attack other people. What a brilliant display of maturity.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
shwan, thank you for surrendering
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:02pm.
Excuse me, sweetie, but I can preach all I want on just about any topic I want. My lack of a social life is not germane to this discussion. The ONLY reason you are bringing it up is because of your typical tactic of lashing out out people when you are getting your ass kicked and because you know you are losing the argument.
The fact that you brought this up - stupidly working off of old intel, at that - tells me that you have long since lost the argument.
But since you want to go down that road...
Don't you find it kind of odd that you - a married man, with a family, with a normal, conventional life, all told - are worried and utterly obsessed with the frequency that another man (me) dates and uses his reproductive organs? To me this is very strange indeed.
And don't you find it hypocritical that you will say, elsewhere, "What goes on behind closed doors is none of my business!" but yet want to know the intimate details of my social life? Or that you think that "saving yourself for marriage" is good (but you don't judge others for doing otherwise, of course, to show how big hearted and open minded you are, no doubt) but in this one little post - a testament to your immaturity and the fact your mentality is still stuck in a middle school locker room - you mock and attack said behavior?
You're not only a hypocrite of the highest order, and highly immature, but you are also a lying sack of crap.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Uns
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:11pm.
I think shwan's crystal ball is a little fuzzy. You have more of social life than I do! And at least you don't have to resort to talking to whore's online for female companionship.
shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:08pm.
It must be tough to deal with a real man, like Unsane, who has a code of morality that he lives by. Does it make you feel better to try to belittle him? It won't make your life any better, and that nonsense sure doesn't help your argument.
tsk tsk shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:15pm.
Your post to unsane is another example of why I have accused you before of suffering from arrested adolescence.
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 05/03/2012 - 3:48pm.
If you choose to ignore the personal attacks on me before my reply that is up to you. Like i said you and i do not agree on prostitution but as for shows like this, i figure it is a show not everyone will like. You call it propaganda i call it entertainment choices.
Irony
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 1:08pm.
There is just something so ironic, so hypocritical, about someone who launches personal attacks and who lashes out at people when cornered whining about personal attacks.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~Shawn
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:17pm.
This kind of behavior is what makes your fellow NB members think you're a sorry little prick. Catty as hell, too.
I just realized why you think whores are so trustworthy and noble; it's because you judge their characters by your own, and they look like moral giants by comparison.
Grow up, shawn.
Shawn, Shawn... why do you
Submitted by Liberallies on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:58pm.
Shawn, Shawn...
why do you always defend the undefendable?
Prostitution leads to diseases, broken families, destroyed kids, murdered women, drugs, suicides, STDs, etc, etc.
Why is it that individuals like you love to glamorize and see only the "good" thing about having sex outside of marriage, but refuse to see the obvious harms of it? WHY?!
Why is it that Liberals and Liberal leaning individuals, who claim to be pro-woman, always defend everything that hurts and destroys women.
Hi LL
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:18pm.
I did not defend it. I said some do it for the money and are not forced into it
I look at prostitutes as people and sympathize with what they have to go through.
➚ You sympathize?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:36pm.
If it's OK to do it, why do you feel sorry for whores?
they
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:44pm.
Have to haggle with guys that refuse to pay, that don't shower and haggle over donations and show up late Not to mention the danger of the profession
Oh my shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:16am.
"haggle with guys that refuse to pay"....why not pay for the "service" shawn? fIf it is a voluntary "contract", why would the "guy" not be willing to pay?
(guys) "that dont shower"....why dont they have the least respect for the "service personnel" and clean up?Or maybe there is no respect in this transaction at all.
"haggle over donations"....so to pay for sex is a donation not a cost?
"the danger of the profession"...What dangers shawn? Do you beat up the guy that sold you the lawn mower? Did you beat up the guy from UPS who delivered your new Kinnect? What kind of wussie lil freaky coward beat up a woman? Why would this profession be dangerous shawn?
Your post above, not intended on your part, has basically confirmed all of my accusations about prostitution in this thread. Careful how you answer this post shawn.
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:25am.
These are the most common complaints I hear from my online friends.
Yes of course there are dangers of violence, I agree with you.
I told you Cajun, I look at prostitutes as real people with real feelings and don't look down on them because of their profession.
Shawn, Hmmm....anyone can
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 1:52am.
Shawn,
Hmmm....anyone can correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any one of us here who have challanged you on your sexual stands look down on prostitutes or think of them as lesser human beings than us. At least I speak for myself. If Jesus forgave a prostitute, why wouldn't I? If Jesus saw love, a real woman, a real person with feelings in a prostitute, why wouldn't I? But Jesus demanded that the prostitute end this way of living.
I hope you are not playing the silly Liberal game of claiming that calling a sin a sin equates to degrading and belittling the human being who committed the sin. PLEASE!
God loves women who go down the path of prostitution, Shawn. So do I and so do the countless of men, women, priests, minnisters, rabbis, etc., whom I know who have helped women leave this horrid "profession".
If you truly cared for women who have become prostitutes, you would NOT be defending their chosen way of earning a living. You would be asking any friend of yours who has chosen to live this way to leave this life style. This would be true love. This would be truly caring for your friend.
You seem to have fallen for the Liberal trap of, "we shouldn't judge anyone..." Telling a friend that they are going down the wrong path in life is hardly judging who they are!
condoning evil actions from a friend so your friend doesn't feel bad and so that you don't feel like you are looking down on them, is FAR from being good and caring friend.
Yes, these women are real people, real women, with a soul, whom God created, whom God loves with all His might. Because of this, because these women are real people with real feelings they should not be treated like pieces of meat and their chosen way of living should NOT be defended in any way shape or form.
Your above posts seems to suggest that those of us who know prostitution is a great evil to society somehow do not see real women who have real feelings. C'mon Shawn, I know you are better than playing silly Liberal games.
By the way, children who end up in broken homes due to prostitution are real people with real feelings. Single mothers who end up raising their kids without a father are also real people with real feelings. Individuals who are infected by STDs due to their father's or mother's, husband's or wife's involment in prostitution are real people with real feelings. The child who was aborted due to prostitution was a real human being, a real peson with real feelings.
Why do you care so much about the prostitute being a real person with real feelings who should not be looked down upon, but ignore the feelings of the countless of real people who are hurt by prostitution? I am personally looking at ALL who are horrificly affected by prostitution.
You seem to be the one saying that some people are MORE real with MORE feelings than others.
Think about what you say before you type it. Think about the obvious Liberal tactic that you are using. It is illogical and it appeals to emotions. Furthermore, it ignores countless of real people with real feelings who are horrificly affected by prostitution.
No one is looking down at prostitutes or believes they aren't real women with real feelings. My question to you is why are you ignoring the countles victims of prostitutions, who are NOT prostitutes, who never hired a prostitute, yet are horrificly affected by it?
I disagree LL
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 9:03am.
I'm not saying you personally believe it, but I believe many people believe prostitutes are lesser people and cannot be trusted simply because of their profession.
~Prostitutes believe they are lesser people
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:06am.
or they wouldn't subject themselves to such a demeaning and degrading situation.
A woman who makes her living by flattering sweaty strangers with fistfuls of dollar bills is not an upright, honest person of integrity, honor, and moral rectitude, regardless of your pretty little fantasies normalizing whoredom.
It's an unnatural, perverted, unwholesome, degrading, and demoralizing state for both sexes, but especially for the naturally tender and intimate heart of a woman.
Bada Boom Brunette*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:26am.
I have been saying that same thing for days now. Those of us who truely do care for the "feelings", safety and well being of these women are the ones who recognize the horrors of this profession. The women who engage in prostitution, voluntarily or coerced, are victims of a severe damaged view of their self worth, imprisoned by their own surrender to victimhood, and their distorted view of their role in society.
Liberallies
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:29am.
I told you some people believe this.
There a good people and bad people in all walks of life, but I don't believe a prostitute has any less honesty or integtity than anyone else
oh man spidey
Submitted by botg on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:34am.
you do realize you are telling a woman how the heart of a woman works don't you? the very practice is anathema to her heart and therefore without integrity by definition
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Bruce
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:44am.
Good to see you buddy. Can't wait to see the Avengers movie next week
I believe Cajun and Bru have their views and I respect that. However all women are different just like all men are different. I know I can't speak for you when I say all men are horndogs :-)
well Shawn
Submitted by botg on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:58am.
while it is true that "all women are different" all theories, studies, and therapies dealing with relationships between the sexes depend very much on recognizing certain traits inherient to each. Try things like "His needs Her needs" "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" etc
-- good to 'see' you too
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Shawn, All men and women are
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:18pm.
Shawn,
All men and women are different. However, there are certain things in which most men and most women are very similar in. Example? emotions, sports, communication, etc.
Have you ever sat down with your buddies and start talking about life at home? It is hillarious how at the end of the coversation, at least with my buddies, we are all saying the same things about our wifes, good and bad! LOL
and my wife and sisters and friends who are girls end up saying exactly the same thing. When they have their girls night out and if it turns to talk about life at home, the all end up sounding the same and saying the same things about their husbands.
yes, we are different, but people of the same gender have many similarities. Unsure why some people want to deny human nature.
Sex is a beautiful, amazing, an incredible thing. It is ment to be enjoyed, it is ment to be pleasurable, it is ment to be fun IN MARRIAGE BETWEEN ONE MAND AND ONE WOMAN. Everything else that we human beings do with sex, outside of what I just stated, is abnormal and it is evil and it leads to evil.
And yes, it is possible to be a good person and perform an evil act. Something that you don't seem to get, Shawn. But do enough evil acts and your soul, your conscious starts to die. you start ignoring your Jimminy Cricket. Good people can become evil ones.
Good morning LL
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:33pm.
Amen
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good afternoon Cocodrie
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 2:52pm.
Thanks for the Amen.
I like yours more than the one Obama asked for from the mindless college students who were listening to his usual empty rhetoric!!!
AMEN!
➚ One question, Shawn
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:30pm.
Is there no moral element to prostitution that would prompt you to encourage your daughter against it?
You can't do that!
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 8:07pm.
You did it now, cool. How DARE you point out to shawn the consequences of his always spinning moral compass?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I would not like it
Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 05/03/2012 - 3:42pm.
But at the end of the day, i love her no matter what path she chooses
Shawn, yes, there are good
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:08pm.
Shawn,
yes, there are good people and bad people in all walks of life.
However, prostitution IS by its defintion a less than honest way of living!!!
99.9% Prostitutes sleep with married men, is this what you believe to be a person with integrity?
Countless of prostitutes end up having abortions, is this what you believe to be a person with integrity?
Countless of prostitutes are also deeply invovled in the selling and distributing of drugs, again, is this what you call integrity?
Countless of prostitutes steal from their customers.
I mean the list goes on and on.
You seem to have a Hollywood version in your head of what most prostitutes do!
Are you saying that a prostitute has equal amount of integrity and honesty as my wife, my sisters, my mother, my daughter, my nieces, Wrathful Brunette, Cajun and countless of other women who have never engaged in this sort of life style? Tell me you aren't being serious.
AND again, you seem to be focused on prostitutes, and you seem to not care on all those real people, with real feelings who are horrificly harmed by prostitution who have never hired one. Why do you ignore these? why?
Shawn, Well, hmmmm....yeah,
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 11:31am.
Shawn,
Well, hmmmm....yeah, I wouldn't trust a prostitute. This doesn't mean I see her as a lesser human being!
And I like how you completely ignored the fact that real people with real feelings who never hired a prostitute are horrificly affected by prostitution.
Again, you are all worried about the feelings and emotions of the prostitutes, but seem not to care one bit about everyone else who is adversely affected by prostitution, i.e. real children who are real people with real feelings, real husbands and wifes, who are real people with real feelings, etc.
Why do you care about the feelings and emotions of some real people, but not of others?
~Those other "real people"
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 1:29pm.
don't hand out cheap thrills for money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shawn, you don't sell your body unless you've devalued your heart and soul, and once you start down that road you only sink lower and lower into depravity. There are no noble whores, just as there are no noble thieves. It's an inherently degrading activity that one cannot engage in and remain emotionally, mentally, or morally untarnished by. It eats away at a woman's soul like a cancer, and no man who truly cared for women would contribute to that deplorable condition in any way, or feel anything but horrified pity for her.
Wrathful Brunette, Well
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 3:03pm.
Wrathful Brunette,
Well said! I love it when I see a woman write and speak up against prostitution and you say it so well.
I wish there was a "like" ability on Newsbusters.
By the way, my wife, in Spanish, has said to me in, discussions we've had, exactly what you just said!!
Anyone who truly cares about the real women with real feelings who have fallen into prostitution, woudl do everything within their power to help these women leave such horrid life! Not defend it.
I noticed that Shawn hides behind the, "I respect your opinion..." He will not like this, but I will say it, I hear what he is saying, I understand what he is sayinng, I respect him as a human being, as a fellow man who enjoys Marvel and DC comics, but in this instance I do not respect his opinion in any way shape or form. I wonder if as a Liberal he can understand that I am not attacking him.
Women MUST be treated much better than mere objects EVEN when they wish to be treated as mere objects.
I totally understand LL
Submitted by shawn. on Thu, 05/03/2012 - 3:38pm.
If you noticed i only used a personal attack on the ones that did it to me first
Prostitution
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 04/25/2012 - 7:17am.
Prostitution is so wonderful the military cannot solicit a prostitute or else they face charges under the UCMJ (as of late 2005).
Prostitution is so great, and so wonderful, I have to take courses in human trafficking every year.
Prostitution is so great, and so wonderful, the EVIL President Bush moved to crack down on human trafficking in 2003 via executive order.
Don't BS me either on how many women do it for the money involved. I've lived in Asia long enough to know better.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
legalizing it
Submitted by shawn. on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 12:55am.
.......will not happen anytime soon, but the push is getting stronger. Maybe in my lifetime perhaps.