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Bozell Column: Fear and Loathing of Bachmann

By Brent Bozell | August 16, 2011 | 22:42

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In the last election cycle, we heard a lot of complaining about the sexist treatment accorded to Hillary Clinton as she campaigned for president. One magazine wrote, “It’s her resilience and capacity to survive and thrive against all comers that partly fuels the haters’ fury.” They even wrote “The anti-Hillary industry has never managed to bring down Hillary herself — in fact, the more they have attacked, the higher she has risen.”

That would be Newsweek magazine, in the June 18, 2007 issue. Four years later, Newsweek was mocking Republican candidate Michele Bachmann on its cover, making her look pale and confused and, well, nutty –  with the headline “The Queen of Rage.” Physician, heal thyself. Now the term “hater’s fury” aptly describes the very same “news” magazine that so pompously lectures us about civility every time one of their favorites is in the political crosshairs.

It’s impossible to imagine the “objective” news rags picturing Hillary with crazy eyes and a headline like “Queen of Rage.” Newsweek titled their 2007 article “The New War on Hillary.” There is a War on Michele developing, and it’s being waged by the left-wing press. They won’t stop until they achieve their goal of grinding her presidential hopes – if not her entire political career – into a fine powder. They despise this woman.

On MSNBC, Joe Scarborough was typical: “Michele Bachmann is a joke...Her candidacy is a joke.” Joe has favored the sleep-walking Jon Huntsman because “He can speak in complete sentences. One sentence actually relates to the previous sentence.” Huntsman only got beat in the straw poll by Bachmann by, ahem...4,823 to 69, or a ratio of about 70 to 1. So who is the joke?

On NBC, former CNBC host Donny Deutsch defended Newsweek’s right to mock Bachmann as a cartoon without care for accuracy and honesty: “Why can't they make a statement? Obviously that was a real picture, and they didn't air touch her. It's not a flattering article. By the way, why can't you write an unflattering, biased article?”

Deutsch wasn’t kidding about the nastiness of the article. Newsweek’s Lois Romano threw acid at Bachmann about her dangerous “shtick” of “intransigence.” Here’s a typical, sneering sentence: “For now, Bachmann revels in the Iowa crowds, which don't fuss about the missing fine print behind her ideas, the perceived contradictions among them, or their radicalism.”

Newsweek claims to loathe contradictions – as they write long, nasty editorials and then claim like complete hypocrites that they’re publishing a “news” product.

There are at least three reasons for the media’s everlasting enmity. The first is Bachmann’s staunch and vocal conservatism on TV. She has become the most identifiable member of Congress aligned with the Tea Party, which to the liberal media is a cancer on our politics
that must be removed like a tumor. Bachmann’s opposition to Obama and his radical agenda was red-hot before the Tea Party “rage” was born.

The second is Bachmann’s deeply-held religious faith. She’s an evangelical conservative who doesn’t hesitate from a fight on cultural issues like abortion and “gay marriage.” Our secular press corps seriously despises people who dare to assert that America is great in part because America has been and is inspired by Judeo-Christian values. Their ideal of a “devout Christian” is Barack Obama, who devoutly spends most Sundays golfing.

Third is Bachmann’s gender – but that’s closely associated with the first two. If you’re a liberal woman, the media will celebrate your presidential run as shattering a glass ceiling. But as we just learned with Sarah Palin, a conservative woman on a national ticket is going to get nothing but a carpet-bombing from the powers that be in “compassionate” journalism.

(The same narrative applies to conservative blacks. Just ask Clarence Thomas.)

There are many Republicans infatuated with the idea of countering Obama in 2012 with female or minority conservatives, be it on the presidential and/or vice presidential ticket. But it’s quite obvious that the media – especially liberal females and minorities in the media – loathe the very thought, regardless of the person. They don’t want to give up their “making history” template for two seconds.

Five months ago, new Newsweek boss Tina Brown’s first cover championed Hillary Clinton and “How she’s shattering glass ceilings everywhere.” Brown doesn’t really want conservative women to shatter that metaphorical ceiling first. After a run of victories by conservative female candidates in the 2010 GOP primaries, Brown went on ABC and with a straight face called the wins "a blow to feminism."

And she calls Michele Bachmann the Queen of Rage.

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Brent Bozell is founder and president of the Media Research Center and publisher of NewsBusters. Click here to follow Brent Bozell on Twitter.
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But We Know...

Submitted by GeneralAl on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:53pm.

But we all know the truth, and the truth will set us free!

"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!

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Bragging rights

Submitted by MadRat on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 11:00am.

The obvious truth is Democrats are afraid of losing the women vote and want to protect their male candidates from being pushed out by Conservative women. But there's something else to consider, Democrats want bragging rights over having the first African-American and woman as President.

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It's Obama's recent photos that look crazy

Submitted by Slyrr on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:50pm.

I don't think Bachmann's picture is crazy looking. They tried to make it so, but didn't really pull it off. It just looks like they sprang out from a closet and took a snapshot when she blinked at them.

Who REALLY looks crazy in all his recent photos is Obama. When he was riding on top of a wave of media brown tongues, he looked gleeful, with a perpetual grin/smirk on his face. But every photo I see of him lately is very different. He almost always has a tight-lipped, sour expression, and if he'd been force-fed dill pickles and lemons. Or like he's trying to eat both of his own lips. And he's got a knitted brow, slitted eyes and clenched fists. It's like he's constantly fighting back an urge to leap on the media with a snarl and start waling on them. Either that, or it looks like he's always about to drop a big, steaming load in his pants (just before David Brooks expresses his lust for said pants, and Matthews gets thrills up his own pants).

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.
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Brent....How could you forget Fox News host and Democrat

Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 2:04am.

Chris Wallace asking Congresswomen and Republican Presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann if she was a "flake"?

Although I watch and support Fox News, even Fox News employs Lefties like Wallace, who will disparage Conservative women. Another example of Democrat Chris Wallace's bias toward women on the right was the interview he had prior to the 2010 elections with Carly Fiorina, the Republican nominee for the United States Senate representing California. Fiorina's opponent was extreme left wacho Senator Barbara ("Don't Call Me Ma'am") Boxer.

Keep in mind before you watch the video, that Boxer had refused to appear on Wallace's Fox News Sunday.  Fiorina knew, as well as those of us who supported her, that Boxer was looking for any ammunition to use against Fiorina. Now watch the VIDEO.  I contend that Wallace did more than interview Carly Fiorina. He badgered and treated her no differently than Chris Matthews, David Gregory, or (insert Leftist media name) would have.  Chris Wallace was a hero to the Left after that interview.  I have no doubt that after Wallace spewed out the "flake' question to Michelle Bachmann, Wallace received loving praise from the Left.

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I'm from California and I can assure you Barbara...

Submitted by jawebster1 on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 3:00am.

Boxer is not only "wacho", she is "wacko" or "whacko", as well. She is so bad, she makes Diane Feinstein look good. We have a lot of stupid people here in California. In fact, when it comes to stupidity we are so far ahead of the rest of the Country we are the forerunners of the people depicted in the movie "Idiocracy" which explains how we ended up with Barbara Boxer as our U.S. Senator.

Jim Webster
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Second that, jawebster---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 3:41am.

from Southern Cal.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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California's lawmakers are just as WACKO as Boxer. With

Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 5:21pm.

California's official unemployment rate close to 12%, and debt at $377billion, the California State Legislature is focusing like a laser on the Number 1 critical issue - requiring all California hotels to use fitted sheets.

I've lived in Southern California for many years, and watched the accelerated deterioration due to reckless liberal policies and the incestuous relationship between public employee unions and Democrats. With California's growing illegal immigration and the approaching Hispanic majority, California will someday be just like Mexico is today.

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Just a quick note. We do all

Submitted by PaleHorse on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 9:15am.

Just a quick note. We do all acknowledge that Carly Fiorina is an idiot right? I can't stand her on CNBC. For a woman that nearly ran HP into the ground she's got a lot of nerve dispensing business advice. Her tenure as CEO was an unmitigated disaster, yet she picked up a sweet golden parachute. I'll bet those 30,000 employees she laid off in order to hire cheap overseas labor weren't too happy with her $21 million severance package.

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You are on your own Pale.

Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 7:13pm.

Speak for yourself. However, calling anyone an idiot, especially after only two weeks membership at NewsBusters, makes you susceptible to the classic retort: IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE

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You notice, Rush Fan, that---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 10:16pm.

Pale Horse merely spouts his own take on things.

I didn't notice any proof of the charges made at Fiorina.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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MD....I noticed. I believe we both have suspicions that

Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 10:27pm.

Pale Horse is another troll. However, to be fair and balanced (Lefties despise that phrase), I'll give him a little more time before making the final call.

regards,

RF

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Always good, Rush Fan, to---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 1:27am.

let them hang themselves.

That said, being fair and balanced is most commendable.

Good on Ya.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Fair and Banal

Submitted by elvis on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 8:01am.

matt dean:
"Never Trust a Black Man"

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I thought he was talking

Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 8:20am.

I thought he was talking about a man whose lips were purple beause he llied so much?

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NC---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 9:40pm.

I am starting to think ol' elvis is a troll.   :o)

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Hmmmmmm......you may be

Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 9:44pm.

Hmmmmmm......you may be right.

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Ken (NC Cop).....I looked at your NewsBusters' profile, and the

Submitted by Rush Fan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 4:21am.

LINK to your story on Fox News. It is an inspiring and heartwarming story. Let me say to you from my heart - God Bless You.

regards,

RF

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Ditto, Ken.

Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 10:36am.

.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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elvis---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 9:43pm.

if you are going to make stupid statements, try to do better than pretend mind reading, insinuations, or flat out lies.

Even for a troll, you are an unbelievable moron.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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matthewdean, Carly Fiorina

Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 7:58am.

matthewdean, Carly Fiorina did indeed cut 30,000 jobs while shipping jobs overseas. These are well-documented facts. You should do a bit more research on the woman before coming to her defense. In your rush to attack (strange MO), you forgot to check whether or not you knew what you were talking about.

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I was not coming to Fiorina's defense, Pale Horse, so ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 11:03pm.

much as I was taking the opportunity to rag on your stupid liberal ass.

Check out California's financial situation and tell me how much research you did into how badly the liberal Democrats in Sacramento have screwed the pooch.

Putz.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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matthewdean, so you went

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 8:52am.

matthewdean, so you went after me about a topic you know nothing about just for the sake of going after me? That is really petty. I wondered why you rush to the defense of an abject failure.

By the way, I still can't figure out where your animosity for me originated. I haven't said anything anti-conservative since I've been here. I'm anti-politician and I'll always be that way, but when it comes down to my political beliefs, I'm all Right buddy. Perhaps lay off and actually give me a chance to show my viewpoints a bit more before stalking me all over the web. What do you say?

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Behold a PaleHorse . . .

Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:34am.

And the one the used that moniker was dense . . .

Your ego seems injured Pale. Can I call Whine-one-one for you?

 

   /// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 ///    خال

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Free, not injured at all.

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:37am.

Free, not injured at all. Where did you get that impression? I'm just confused as to why this guy is following me around, attacking me for the sake of attacking me (as he openly admitted). I'm curious as to what I've said that drove him to dislike me, that's all. Perhaps I owe an apology for something I've said, but I can't figure out what that would be. No wounded ego here.

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Oh dear. Poor trollie.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 11:29am.

   First you got the crazy Veet attacking you AFTER you called him unhinged. Now you got mattoodin attacking you. It is not you at all is it? No, never is with trollies.

   There are arguments to be made that Miss Fiorina was a bad CEO. Only a troll will insist she was an idiot. A troll with an anonymous moniker that has no history. Well except for all the lying that is.

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How about this, Pale Horse---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/20/2011 - 6:03am.

until you are adult enough to take heat for posts you make that someone disagrees with, and can see that there is often a distinct  difference between raggin' on, and attacking, and to stop assuming that only what you have to say is credible, I say bite me.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Matthew, feel free to bring

Submitted by PaleHorse on Sat, 08/20/2011 - 8:49am.

Matthew, feel free to bring the heat. I enjoy it, I just wonder why a man who can't even say what I did to offend him would spend so much time following me around throwing out personal attacks and cheap shots. You have no idea who I am, yet you feel inclined to act amazingly immature in my presence. You literally called me a dork. If I was you, I would be embarrassed by such infantile displays, but it seems to be your bag. That's fine by me. Have at it, but try not to get too sensitive when I point out the obvious. Apparently you're angry that I have my own opinions on a discussion board where people share their opinions. Weird.

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Says the man wearing his butt for a hat.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 08/20/2011 - 12:09pm.

Oh do stop walking around whining about your hurt butt. We are getting sick of it.

You walk around here calling others unhinged, crazy, and idiot. Then everytime you get the tiniest amount of pushback. And I mean tiny. You go into full on whine mode bitchin' cryin' and pointing at your hurt butt.

Shut up whiner. Quit yer bellyachin' about the word bullies. If the 26 letters of the alphabet arranged in certain combinations cause such a dent in your day, go away.

Another diaper wearing troll that walks around cryin' about his hurt butt. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. We get sick of you spamming up blogs whining and moaining because a big bad mean word bully hurt your feelings.

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Don' flatter yourself, Ashen Equine,---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 08/20/2011 - 10:13pm.

you aren't that special.

You are merely another easy target, who, as the Vet says, can dish it out, but can't take it.

I called you out as a dork, literally, because I meant it.

It better be fine by you, because you can do nothing about it. 

Make some lemonade with them lemons by continually trying to improve your whining skills.

What appears to be "the obvious" to you matters not one whit to me.  Flail away, whine, mewl, and continue your vomitus ejectus.

I have no problem with your opinions, just your ilk, who have slimed these threads since NB's inception.

Trolls.

Some trolls just happen to be more proficient at hiding their persona than others, and it takes a while longer for their stench to permeate the electronic grid.

You are, without doubt, a troll.

Not a crime, certainly; but most definitely representative of a person who puts up a false front, i.e., who lies.

I have yet to be beaten down by sensitivity, so give it your best shot - I'll be in the area.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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I disagree. Based on Vet's

Submitted by PaleHorse on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 1:11pm.

I disagree. Based on Vet's recent full-on breakdown as a result of JasonC, I would argue that HE is the one who can dish it out, but not take it back. He literally disintegrated into profanity, ramblings, and personal attacks. It was a pathetic display of low self-esteem.

Call me a troll, a dork, a nerd...whatever you want. I literally couldn't care less. The fact remains that you add little to this community and rarely, IF EVER, comment on the substance of the topic at hand. If you have fun mocking strangers on the internet, than I'm happy for you. However, I find yours to be a particularly sad existence.

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Still filling his diaper 3 days later.

Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 3:12pm.

This is a New Testament troll -

9 Claiming people that point out your troll ways are in a meltdown or will meltdown soon. Dead Zippers: The Vet is doomed for a meltdown soon. ... You're not far from a meltdown. palehorse: ...Vet's recent full-on breakdown...

Keep filling that diaper troll. Gawd those words hurt when word bullies pick on trolls. Oh my trolliegawd in heaven, they hurt.

How is my breakdown working for you Dead... I mean palebutt?

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You're just gross. Your

Submitted by PaleHorse on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 5:23pm.

You're just gross. Your language is offensive and your imagery is vile. I can't believe that this is how you present yourself. You're like a child. Have fun buddy. Keep commenting on all of my posts. At least you give me a daily chuckle.

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Odd, is it not, Ashen Equine---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 6:08pm.

that it seems only liberal trolls (and the occasional oddball who represents himself as a conservative) are of a mind that The Vet is over the line.

You squeal like a stuck pig, moan and groan, whine everlastingly about comments that are unflattering (but deserved) - and then say those comments "give you a daily chuckle.'

Make up your mind.  Oh, never mind - you are a troll; you can have it both ways.

As a troll, you are here to provide me with daily entertainment, and you most certainly do.

As a troll, your plaints about what I do or do not contribute on these threads is laughable.

I will change my ways and alter my style of posting, if and when you can show me where it states that I am required to post in a manner that you deem acceptable.

You are a knucklehead.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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And the

Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 11:06pm.

United Electronic Gadget Assemblers Union, Local 432 was quite upset by those decisions.

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bkeyser, what's your point?

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:00am.

bkeyser, what's your point? Was that an attack on Unions? If so, I can only say I'd take 30,000 union jobs IN America over 30,000 low-wage jobs in China any day of the week.

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Ha, good luck with that

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:08am.

Do you read what you write?

BTW, you can thank the Unions for the last 30k jobs that got shipped abroad.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty
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Boudin, what was wrong with

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:11am.

Boudin, what was wrong with what I wrote? As for your comment about Unions, I totally agree. I'm a strong supporter of hiring open shop contractors. I used to be heavily involved with ABC at a previous job years ago. Great organization and they really fight the good fight. The artificial inflation of job bids by construction unions is nothing short of criminal. I can see why we started unions, but they've long over stayed their welcome.

I used to live in a large city and I would routinely see union thugs protesting in front of shops that used open shop labor instead of union. I used to always tell them the same thing..."You mean the owner didn't want to pay 300% more for the same work? Strange!"

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pH

Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:48am.

"I can see why we started unions, but they've long over stayed their welcome."

And therein lies my point. Were labor costs reasonable in America, we wouldn't have shipped the entire electronics industry to Asia decades ago. How, otherwise, is it possible to invent, research and develop, and even perfect electronics in this country but be more profitable to build and ship them from Asia if not for the fact that union labor -which would surely be a staple in the electronics industry- makes it untenable?

Don't blame Carly Fiorino for shipping jobs overseas, blame those who require so much pay and benefits for an assembly line job that they've priced themselves out of the market. And blame those who place so much tax burden on companies who operate on our shores that it's less expensive to run full-scale operations in another country. What sense does it make for a business executive in charge of the successful operation and growth of the her business to make a conscious decision to stifle that business by paying excessive taxes and unprofitable labor costs? None, is the answer.

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bkeyser, all great points and

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 10:22am.

bkeyser, all great points and I don't disagree with you overall, however, labor costs alone do not even come close to excusing Fiorina's behavior. Just look at the facts surrounding her tenure. HP stock dropped 525% (rose 6.9% when her firing was announced). While she was "cutting back" on jobs, she collected over $106 million in compensation and had HP spend millions to buy 5 private jets to fly her around the world. She took $69 million in compensation in her first year! Also, it's important to keep in mind that the layoffs weren't just low-skill, assembly line jobs. She axed jobs from all sectors in HP.

Your comments are definitely on point in general, but there's more to Fiorina's failure than controlling labor costs. There's a reason she hasn't had a job since.

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Yep. The troll calls Miss Fiorina an idiot.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 11:34am.

   Then claims the price of a stock dropped A BEELLION percent. Odd, a stock cannot drop more than 100%. At that point is has reach zero and cannot go negative. But you go little trollie. You call others idiot. Mmmmmmkay?

Palebutt the idiot: HP stock dropped 525%...

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Vet, good catch. That was a

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 12:36pm.

Vet, good catch. That was a typo on my part. The actual percentage was 52%. Thanks for clarifying.

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Yes. A very good catch.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 12:46pm.

The idiot wearing his ass for a hat calls others idiot while pointing to his hat.

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Of course you would

Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 9:51am.

unless you were the owner or CEO of the company and responsible for turning a profit and authoring growth. You know, those pesky little issues that shareholders tend to expect.

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Rush, Fiorina's failures are

Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 08/18/2011 - 7:59am.

Rush, Fiorina's failures are plentiful and well-documented. If someone has publicly displayed consistent idiocy, then I feel like it's ok to call them an idiot. What about her exactly do you like so much? Do you ever watch her on CNBC? She's a bobble-head of the worst order.

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Pale......I like Carly Fiorina because she is NOT Barbara Boxer.

Submitted by Rush Fan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 4:24am.

Some or all of your facts regarding layoffs, etc. may be correct. I'm even inclined to agree with you that Fiorina may not have been a perfect Republican candidate. But she was running against Barbara Boxer, who I believe is one of the worst, if not the worse, Senators currently serving in Congress. Boxer also may have tinges of racism. In my opinion, ANY Republican candidate is a heck of a lot better than Barbara Boxer.

QUESTION to you Pale: You've expressed your opinion of Carly Fiorina, by harshly describing her as an idiot. What is your opinion of Senator Barbara Boxer?

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Rush, the facts are correct

Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 8:58am.

Rush, the facts are correct and, while I agree with you that Boxer is hands down the worst Senator currently serving (how did she even get into office?), I'm just can't believe that Fiorina was the best option. Considering the size of California, I have to believe there was somebody that was smarter and possessed a better resume. I would love to see Boxer pound the pavement, but I don't think I'd want to her replaced by a person like Fiorina who is just more of the same garbage we've had to deal with for the past 20 years.

We need to boot the politicians and get some real people in office with track records of success. As for your final question, I've sort of answered it, but in short, Boxer is a wildly out of touch career politician who cares only for herself and her only goals are to stay in office to maintain her "power"...she couldn't care less about the common man. Plus she has a terrible head of lettuce :)

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Yep. Miss fiorina is an idiot.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 11:39am.

Palebutt: I'm anti-politician and I'll always be that way...

Palebutt:  We need to boot the politicians and get some real people in office...

Yes ldiot, we boot the politicians then elect real people at which point they will be politicians and the idiot is anti-politician and we need to boot the politicians and get real people at which point they will be politicians add the idiot is anti-politician..... Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows.

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Pale.......As you are aware, I was initially wary of you after

Submitted by Rush Fan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 6:03pm.

you called Carly Fiorina an idiot. But after reading your replies to me and others on this thread, you seem to me to be quite reasonable. Welcome to NewsBusters.

I agree with you that we need to "get some real people in office with track records of success." However, that is easier said than done. Let's skip all the fundamental difficulties (money, recognition, your opposition and the media labeling you an idiot, etc.) a candidate has to face in order to be elected. The key issue, it seems to me, is that all candidates have their flaws. I have yet to find a 'perfect' political candidate, just as I have yet to find a perfect human being.

Take for example Gov. Chris Christie, who I like, and who many believe would be an excellent Republican Presidential candidate. Chris Christie is not only a strong believer in Global Warming and the dire effects of CO2, but he has gone so far as to ban new coal plants in New Jersey. Christie also intends to shut down current coal plants, and is committed to New Jersey's 2021 Renewables & Efficiency Standard, which will dramatically increase energy costs in that state for businesses and households. With that Green agenda, Christie would probably even get Al Gore's vote.

So unfortunately, every candidate comes with their own 'garbage' to use your word. Just as many of the choices we make in life are not as clear cut as black and white, many of the political candidates we eventually vote for are at times just the best of two defective choices. Just as I will vote for ANY Republican nominee in the 2012 presidential election against Barack Obama, I voted for Carly Fiorina, because with all her flaws, she was a better candidate than Barbara Boxer.

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Rush, Thank you for your kind

Submitted by PaleHorse on Sat, 08/20/2011 - 8:59am.

Rush, Thank you for your kind words. Apparently, I got off on the wrong foot with some folks around here although I can't quite figure out why. I'm here for the same reasons as everybody else. I enjoy political discussion with passionate people. That's all.

As for politicians, it's surely easier said than done. All candidates do indeed have their flaws, but I think the largest issues preventing us from finding quality leadership stems from the two party system. We're constantly forced to choose the lesser evil. That's a sad way to vote. I can't stand Ron Paul, but I do like the fact that he's able to garner so much support outside of the conventional system. If he can break through, then he sets a strong precedent for future politicians. Again, I don't like his policies, but I do like the possibility that he creates.

Christie is great. I've enjoyed his brunt analysis and steel backbone. He talks the talk and walks the walk. Your examples are tremendous and help to explain why men like him should be the future of the Republican party and NOT people like Perry and Bachmann.

I can see why you voted for Fiorina and I won't hold that against you :) I just am just passionately against her because of being constantly subjected to her blather on CNBC. They quote her as an expert and all she ever does is spout talking points. Give us red meat or get off the air! Obama is a miserable failure and I've said as much in previous posts. He could have been a great president and he had some easy opportunities to do so. Instead, he wasted his capital on a half-a**ed healthcare plan and a hilarious stimulus. What a joke. He clearly got manhandled by his advisors and part of me actually feels sorry for him...until I check my wallet!

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Would she be a determinant?

Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 5:15pm.

If Fiorina did win the election, she would have been a junior member of Congress and not in charge of anything. There's very little that she would have been able to accomplish, or ruin, depending on your point of view. She won't be the chairperson of any committee. She won't be ether the minority or the majority Leader. She won't have much influence at all in the Senate. She'd just be another Junior member. Therefor, her previous job performance as a CEO was meaningless when applied to Senate membership.

The contacts she made as a CEO, on the other hand, can be very useful to the Republicans. Now, as vice chair of the NRSC, her contacts will allow her to cultivate addition donors to the Republicans, something the Republicans need.

As for the 30,000 people who were laid off: look around you. MILLIONS have been laid off over the last three years.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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CobraMan.....You make some excellent points. However, you

Submitted by Rush Fan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 5:21pm.

forgot the most important point. If Fiorina had won the election, than one of the worst and destructive Senators in Congress, Barbara Boxer, would not now be in office.

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Yes, that is a shame

Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 5:24pm.

Yes, it is a shame that too many people used her CEO performance as a justification as to why they should not support her. I don't even blame her for the lay-off. It was HP's competition, who produced models that were faster, cheaper, and, therefor, more desirable, than what HP was producing that lead to those lay-offs. HP was suffering long before she even became the CEO.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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I have never bought a copy of...

Submitted by jawebster1 on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 2:46am.

Newsweak, let alone subscribe to it. I admit I have glanced through it on a few occasions in my dentist's waiting room. In the future, I will not even do that!

Jim Webster
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SnoozeWeak

Submitted by scottyusmc on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 6:34am.

SnoozeWeak has the right to print its bias - and its relevance can be measured in its declining circulation.

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Michele Bachmann

Submitted by Volubrjotr on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 12:29pm.

She needs to succinctly explain why she voted for The [sic] Patriot Act or admit it was a mistake.

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Welcome, one post in two years troll.

Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 10:41am.

Or, is this just your newest sleeper account?

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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Define "succinctly"

Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 5:33pm.

"She needs to succinctly explain why she voted for The [sic] Patriot Act or admit it was a mistake."

Define "succinctly," other than "in a way that satisfies me?"

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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What a wonderful hypocritical world we live.

Submitted by E.S.Blofeld on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 1:41pm.

An idea owned by one group cannot be shared by one diametrically opposed to it? Pass the popcorn and buckle up. This is going to be one helluva ride. I'm sick and tired of glass ceilings and celebrity politicians. We need leadership not fluff. Now, hold my drink and watch me sink this putt!

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

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But not just from the Left

Submitted by philmon on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 2:10pm.

The Peggy Noonan/George Will wing of the Republican party don't like her, either, and will do their level best to discredit her during the primaries. Her leanings on reining in the size and scope of the Federal Government does not sit well with insiders who have presteige and position because of that very thing.

It's Jeffersonophobia & Christophobia rolled up into one.

http://philmon.blogspot.com
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Jeffersonophobia & Christophobia

Submitted by rance on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 3:06pm.

You're right, philmon. I merely used the term Christophobia on another so called "conservative" blog this morning and my comment was censored. The Noonan/Will types don't like to be reminded of their phobias.

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back in the day---

Submitted by milootoole on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 5:17pm.

A democratic Congress tried to get the KKK to wear fitted sheets. It never took.

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