Bozell Column: ABC's Partial-Birth Hero
As far as I’m concerned, there’s a circle in Hell reserved for late-term abortionists. But this is the Obama era, so Hollywood makes TV shows casting them as heroic figures. Such is the state of our popular culture.
On the May 12 episode of ABC’s "Private Practice," Dr. Addison Montgomery (played by actress Kate Walsh, a real-life Planned Parenthood activist) spewed the strongest pro-abortion – "pro-choice" – rhetoric as she performed a partial-birth abortion on a woman who thought she’d already had an abortion two months before.
"I hate what I’m about to do, but I support Patty’s right to choose," the doctor declares. "It is not enough just to have an opinion, because in a nation of over 300 million people, there are only 1700 abortion providers. And I’m one of them."
The poor, poor killer of babies. ABC should have cued the orchestra to swell up and champion the few and the proud, followed by the on-screen credit,"This message brought to you by Planned Parenthood." It was that blatant.
There were no cheers for this very special episode from the usual liberal TV critics, and feminist groups weren’t shaking pom-poms either. But there’s probably a Planned Parenthood "Maggie Award for Media Excellence" in ABC’s future. Kate Walsh won this award in 2008 for her "extensive advocacy efforts on behalf of affordable family planning services and real sex education."
The tension in the "Private Practice" plot came from the show’s pro-life character, African-American fertility specialist Dr. Naomi Bennett. When she first protests the partial-birth abortion, Addison argues "Partial birth is not a medical term, it's a political term, and you know it." Naomi replies "I don't care what you call it, you can't do it." Another female character chimes in, "Yes she can. It’s at the doctor’s discretion. And it is legal."
Naturally, ABC wasn’t about to be very specific about how grisly the partial-birth abortion is, as Addison euphemistically proclaims to the patient it involves "forceps and suction," and "the fetus would be removed." Naomi later protests that it crushed a baby's skull. But she’s the controversial one.
When pregnant Patty comes to the office to consult with Addison, Naomi tries to talk her out of an abortion, telling her that her baby, at 19 weeks in the womb, can hear her mother talk and be startled by loud noises and has vocal cords and fingerprints. With a gentle smile, she insisted "Consider carrying the baby to term."
This puts Patty on the fence, infuriating Addison. The scene shifts to Patty’s workplace, a bar, where Addison arrives to talk her back into the abortion. "She had no right to upset you like that," she insists. If pro-lifers discuss facts about fetal development, and plead that parenthood isn’t a prison sentence, somehow that unfairly interferes with "choice."
Dr. Montgomery uncorks another pro-abortion lecture at the bar: "When it comes to abortion, everybody has an opinion. Everybody's going to want to tell you what to do. If this were 1972, it would have been a back alley and not my elevator you would have collapsed in. You didn't have a choice. Now you do." She claims to Patty "everyone else is background noise." This is not an offering of “choice.” This is an urgent appeal for an abortion.
Of course, the doctor added those fiendish and violent pro-lifers are always ruining the Era of Choice. "It's still hard. And even after you make the most difficult and personal decision that there is, it's still not safe. Because you have some fanatic who claims to value life who can walk into an abortion clinic and blow it up."
It’s the ultimate Orwellian argument. We live in a country where 4,000 abortions are performed daily and it’s the pro-lifers who are killers.
Just as upsetting as this dramatic smear that the abortion-opposing side is dominated by violent fanatics, was the complete collapse of the pro-life character. At the episode’s end, there is Naomi, supportively holding the woman’s hand as Addison prepares to carve up the baby (off-screen, of course). When the butchering is complete, pro-abort Addison thanks Naomi for her support of Patty. “Pro-life” Naomi replies "I was there for both of you," and concedes, "You helped that woman."
Hollywood would never end an episode or a movie with a woman deeply troubled by her abortion converting to Christianity – even though that’s exactly what happened with Norma McCorvey, the “Roe” in Roe vs. Wade. They’d never have an abortionist switch sides – as did the late Dr. Bernard Nathanson. In Hollywood, the pro-lifers fold within 60 minutes. It is truly the land of make-believe.
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Some day
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 8:45am.
Slavery used to be legal too.
for every knee, there is a jerk
Submitted by gabbyhayes on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:03pm.
If you know nothing about abortion, late-term abortion, and the reasons for partial extraction, you would probably make the arguments listed here. All surgery is gross. It usually involves cutting flesh, blood, bone, weirdly colored fluids being suctioned up in tubes. Abortion, however minor, is surgery. Don't enter into it unless you've sat through or conducted a few autopsies, gall bladder removals, and so forth. That's why doctors, nurses, and midwives do them instead of bozos like bozell. Why late tem abortions? Because the fetus isn't viable and birth would harm the woman, or might harm the woman. Kidney malfunction, for example, will cause a lack of amniotic fluid and the fetus will die in utero and then need to be removed in a truly life-threatening operation. Better to do a late term abortion (there's no way to know about this problem until late term) than to have the woman lying around in a hospital bed with a dead fetus in her body waiting for the crisis to be great enough to threaten her life so the doctor can finally remove it. It happens. It happened to my aunt. Why do the partial extraction? Because some fetuses are what you clowns call "water-heads"--macrocephalic. The head might be the size of a soccer ball or a basketball or even larger. It's full of fluid that should have been drained off and disposed of through the kidneys, but either the necessary sinus has been blocked or never developed, or the kidneys have failed. There is no brain in that head, nothing to feel the pain, just a huge skull full of spinal fluid. Pulling it out through the vagina would destroy the birth canal and render the woman infertile. Again, this problem only appears near the end of term--it's not something you discover in the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy. At one time, the fetus was take cesarian, but the partial extraction is safer--as surgery it is less ookie than cesarian. The woman can have future pregnancies, normal vaginal delivery, and the fetus, which had no hope of survival anyway, is gone. I urge you to read a book--any book--learn something, talk to some gynecologists and ob people and midwives. Oddly, congresspeople who barely got through high school, priests, nuns, and church ladies know less about medicine than doctors.
Yay, another sock puppet rises
Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 10:10pm.
"The head might be the size of a soccer ball or a basketball or even larger. It's full of fluid that should have been drained off and disposed of..."
"There is no brain in that head, nothing to feel the pain, just a huge skull full of spinal fluid."
That sounds like a sock puppet. You must have been looking in the mirror while writing this.
The surgeries you describe
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 10:32pm.
The surgeries you describe are done to save lives. Tell me, why would a partial birth abortion be performed rather than a c-section? Because the purpose of an abortion is to kill a baby.
Can you touch a keyboard without lying through it?
Submitted by GrannyGrump42 on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 1:23am.
"Why late tem abortions? Because the fetus isn't viable and birth would harm the woman, or might harm the woman. "
LIE. And I have the data to prove it:
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2009/06/those-life-saving-tiller-abortion...
But anybody who has paid attention already knew this. Shortly after National Right to Life got hold of Martin Haskell's "Dilation and Extraction" presentation paper, Ron Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers confessed that he was "lying through [his] teeth" when he repeated the claim that these abortions were only done on moribund or otherwise gravely ill babies.
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffindarticles.com%2Fp%2...
"Better to do a late term abortion (there's no way to know about this problem until late term) than to have the woman lying around in a hospital bed with a dead fetus in her body waiting for the crisis to be great enough to threaten her life so the doctor can finally remove it."
If you're removing a fetus that has died naturally, IT IS NOT AN ABORTION. Quit weaseling.
And isn't it odd that nobody ever needed to perform post-viability abortions until the SUPREME COURT invented them? JUDGES, not doctors.
Satan was a liar from the beginning, Jesus told us, and you certainly are embracing lies. Who do you serve?
So, gabbyhayes---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 1:40am.
Brent Bozell is a bozo, we are clowns (conservatives - or those who see abortion as murder?), and we should "read a book--any book--learn something'--".
Well aren't you just a smug, smarmy, sonofabitch.
MD
That is THE stupidest abortion argument I've heard in my life.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 7:42am.
What percentage of abortions do you suppose are performed due to an anencephalatic fetus? Would it be as high, as say, 2%?
Now in your case, you were extremely lucky Momma carried you to term despite the fact your skull was filled with shit, and not amniotic fluid.
Sad
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 6:40pm.
"gabbyhayes", I hope and literally pray that one day you will learn as much about this issue as you think you know. I say this because I was there, where you are now, many years ago. I supported the "health fairs" and "family planning" popularized in the '70s by Planned Parenthood, thinking I was doing the right thing for women in America. And then I learned--pardon the cliche--the rest of the story. I am ashamed of my past position, and I pray for the women who were victimized by the machine I helped support, and for their forgiveness.
The cases you use to bolster the argument (and comfort your conscience, if you're anything like I was) are very rare, and indeed no one who is pro-life argues against them, as seen in other posts on this thread. They are certainly no excuse for supporting the slaughter of perfectly healthy babies.
As I write this, a friend of mine is at the hospital, waiting while his newborn son awaits open-heart surgery. They've known for months that he would need this procedure, to correct a condition called TGA. It's not an uncommon surgery, and is typically successful, but it does mean they go to extraordinary measures to keep the newborn alive until the surgery can be performed. Without those measures, he would die within a short period after birth. By many on your side, he would be considered nonviable. But the doctors know the procedure, and plan for it, and 98% of babies born with TGA survive and live normal lives.
And so I continue to hope.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
19 weeks in the womb
Submitted by Texndoc on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 8:51am.
The show should have shown clips of a high resolution sonogram of a 19 week baby in the womb. A "heroic" doctor then gleefully tearing it apart and killing it.
This was the episode that
Submitted by motherbelt on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 8:57am.
This was the episode that turned me off Private Practice for good. I will no longer be watching.
I got used to Dr. Montgomery spouting her pro-abortion talking points. She generally sounds like she is reciting them, having memorized them from a pamphlet, and I could tolerate it, because at least another point of view was also offered from some other cast member.
What got me pi$$ed off this time was Naomi, the supposed pro-lifer, abandoning her principles and folding on this issue and supporting the procedure because it was her friend doing it.
Never even heard of it.
Submitted by Texndoc on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:02am.
That's one smug ********* standing in front of that Planned Parenthood background, though.
Of course an abortion
Submitted by GrannyGrump42 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 3:43pm.
Of course an abortion advocate sounds like she's reading off a "talking points" sheet. They're like Chatty Cathy dolls. Pull their strings and one of a set number of pre-formatted sentences will come out.
And yeah, of course they had to have the prolifer "see the light" and realize that she needed to "help" this woman.
Not seen on any episode: The woman's descent into post-abortion anguish in which she can't sleep at night or stand the sight of babies. But I wonder if they'll bring her back for the preterm labor the abortion makes her about four times more likely to suffer in a subsequent pregnancy.
Those abortionists put Edward Scissorhands to shame.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 8:58am.
Only 1700 of them and they do 1,460,000 abortions annually?
That's 858 a day. A little less if they don't "work" weekends or holidays.
19 weeks
Submitted by Texndoc on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:01am.
http://joannawillis.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/baby-in-womb-5-months.jpg
If it doesn't show, just do a Google for 19-20 week baby.
I'm just waiting for the ABC documentary praising Joseph Mengele
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:03am.
...as a courageous pioneer of medical science.
Given the depth of depravity this sick, twisted society of ours has descended into, it can't be that far away.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
If a prosecutor can indict a
Submitted by Right2thePoint on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:56am.
If a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich why can't he take one of these down. Oh Wait we know why.
Private malpractice.............
Submitted by Tomorama on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:55am.
My wife watches the show and is usually supportive of choice, but she was offended by this blatant hammering of those who think it is murder ESPECIALLY when the BABY is 19 weeks old.
My wife turned to me and said that I must be one of those lunatics that wants to blow up a facilty as I believe the only exceptions should be rape, incest or the mothers life being in danger.
Wouldn't mind so much.............................. if they allowed........... the pro life woman here to remain strong and also explain that the baby is indeed a life and NOT A FETUS and the whole brutality noted in it's entirety.
Typical of hollyweied, or typical of the progressive who bitch about accepting everyone, except those that disagree with murder.
But yet we can't put down a rapist/murderer because life is cherished and that is barbaric..
Ya, they make a lot of sense.................
Ever heard of Safe
Submitted by Right2thePoint on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:58am.
Ever heard of Safe Sex...................I guess not.
What....no Sarah Palin crack....?
Submitted by NeoKong on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 9:59am.
They must be slipping.
Whenever I see an actress
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 10:01am.
Whenever I see an actress standing in front of a Planned Parenthood banner I want to ask them how many abortions they've had. They can certainly have their opinion, but it does put it in perspective if they've never walked the walk.
As a society we are aborting
Submitted by rimsky on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 10:40am.
As a society we are aborting ourselves into an endangered status.
I stopped watching these programs a long time ago - GA, CSI, L&O, PP, you name it... ALL are very predictable and transparent in their left-wing beliefs. The biased producers and directors are in total control, dictating who the righteous victims are - minorities, women, muslim, Gay-Bisexual-Transgender, HIV positive, unbeliever - and who the bad guys are - conservative, white, male, Christian, pro-life, straight. And if the bad guys aren't portrayed as bad then they are portrayed as stupid.. especially the Christians.
he doesn't want anyone to be burdened with a child
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 10:42am.
Our President comes from the same mindset as these pro-abortionists. It's all about convenience for the mother and no consideration for the young child. Obama even supports the 'shelving' of babies until they die from neglect who have manage to survive an abortion.
So when obama had to 'sleep on it' when he had to decide whether to go in and take out bin Laden I doubt he had to wrestle with his conscience over killing another human being.
Just to correct:
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 6:44pm.
the phrase Obysmal used was "punished with a child".
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
My, How Very Christian Of You...
Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 11:55am.
"As far as I’m concerned, there’s a circle in Hell reserved for late-term abortionists."
And you wonder why Hollywood has such a negative view of pro-lifers after a comment like that. You're not even going to try to save them? I though that's what Christians did: trying to convert the abortionist and make them realize what they are doing is wrong. Sounds like somebody is actually preparing for the rapture today.
And FYI: I'm afraid you'll have to put up with me in Heaven as well since we Jews don't go to Hell (including us secular Jews.)
Carving up babies....
Submitted by Tim Graham on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 12:49pm.
It's not exactly God's work. It's not what a hero does, rip apart an harmless "fetus." I think Brent is saying that a partial-birth abortion is an incredibly vicious and sinful act. Someone performs these as a career is either honored as especially "idealistic" (in Kate Walsh terms) or especially vicious.
Of course, an abortionist can go through conversion and repentance (as Brent noted). But not with a self-righteous boast about "helping the woman" through butchery.
Hilarious how you libtards
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 1:05pm.
Feel the need to point out Christian beliefs, when you dimwits have abandon all morality with-in them. In-fact, I doubt today will end without you providing a perfect example of this.
It's not up to us
Submitted by misterbee241 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 5:43pm.
to save them. All we can do is plant the seed. Only an encounter with the life changing Jesus can save them.
There are times I feel the same way as Bozell. that's my "world" side. But my Christian side says where there is life there is hope. Abortionists do come out of the racket, embrace Christianity and experience God's forgiveness. God wants no one to perish. neither do I.
And I'm prepared for the rapture EVERY day, not just today.
Good luck
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 6:57pm.
with your theology, there, Sticks.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Proposal: My Bet with Obama
Submitted by Fenwick on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 2:13pm.
Let me just preface this by saying that I am not a swimmer - at all! And the last way in the world I would want to die is by drowning. (I've ofter told those around me that if I am ever drowning and there's no way to save me, then please SHOOT ME!)
My proposed bet with Obama, or with any other rabidly pro-abortion fanatic, is that I will agree to be waterboarded if they agree to personally witness, in the same room and up close, one of these late-term abortions.
[P.S. I meant to put this as a reply to MidAmerica's post.]
They didn't even do rudimentary research
Submitted by GrannyGrump42 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 3:44pm.
1. The show takes place in Los Angeles. There are at least four places in the city -- not even going into outlying areas -- where she could go for a routine, no-questions-asked 19-week abortion. Her baby could be pulled out in chunks and tossed in a bucket like so much chicken at KFC without any whining about lack of "access". (one goes to 22 weeks elective outpatient, the other three go to 24 weeks elective outpatient -- http://www.gynpages.com/ACOL/california.html)
2. At 19 weeks they still do a standard D&E. You can read LeRoy Carhart's description of how he does it here: http://www.mttu.com/Articles/The%20Abortionist%20Speaks.htm. Just reach in and keep twisting off parts. At some point after you start twisting limbs off, the fetal heart stops.
3. In California, abortion was legal in 1972. It had been legal since 1970. By 1972, FPA had already killed their first patient, and San Vicente scored their second death patient in October of '72.
Pro-choice?
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 3:57pm.
Since the pro-abortion crowd's idea of 'pro-choice' seems to include encouraging abortion while dismissing anyone arguing for the baby to carried to term, then 'pro-choice' is a heinous misnomer.
I'm glad network TV is going the way of the dinosaur. One less soapbox for the left.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Well everybody knows
Submitted by misterbee241 on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 5:37pm.
if it's legal it's morally right. Just ask the Jews about Hitler's legalities and morals.
One more reason I dont watch network trash.
Ah, so that is what "Pro-choice" means.
Submitted by needle on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 6:02pm.
"Yes she can. It’s at the doctor’s discretion. And it is legal."
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
“Of course, an abortionist
Submitted by needle on Sat, 05/21/2011 - 6:36pm.
“Of course, an abortionist can go through conversion and repentance (as Brent noted). But not with a self-righteous boast about "helping the woman" through butchery.
I agree with you. However, I doubt that TheReal7Sticks takes you seriously. Apparently according to his eschatology, Judaism is the perfect religion for abortionists concerned about their afterlife. By the way, Jesus was a Jew and quite an expert on heaven and who will and will not get to go there. I confident that he would not sanction TheReal7Sticks’s views. That is something TheReal7Sticks might want to think about.
This comment got misplaced. It was intended to be a reply to Tim Graham's comment to Real7Sticks's comment. I wish I could use comment numbers but they jump around.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
ABC is Continuously Contending for a Maggie Award
Submitted by Pharmer on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 3:58am.
Remember the story of the woman pregnant woman who was erroneously given a prescription for methotrexate, and actually took the drug? HERES a reminder. http://themorningafter.us/pharmacist-error-methotrexate-dispensed-to-a-p...
ABC reported on this.......touting a supposed "expert" on Methotrexate who advised the woman get an abortion.
The "expert" didn't know about the use of leucovorin in these cases, nor was the dose of methotrexate (likely the low dose for rheumatoid arthritis) even discussed.
ABC apparently wants to replace NBC as the mouthpiece of Planned Parenthood.
"There’s a circle in Hell
Submitted by Giygas on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 5:17pm.
"There’s a circle in Hell reserved for late-term abortionists". Please watch your language, Bozell. Bozell should not demonize those who see things differently, even if he has death fantasies of them.
Who is an old man like Bozell (who never needed and never will need an abortion) to say that young women shouldn't have the right to choose, just to placate his religious beliefs?
Bozell never ceases to contradict himself. He incessantly champions the founding fathers (atheists, secularists, elitists, academics, and liberals) and says he's preserving traditional American values. Abortion was legal in America from the year of independence until 1900. Where's the conservatism in the pro-life movement?
Bozell also preaches "individual liberty", and yet lobby's against abortion and same sex marriage. Abortion and same sex marriage are individual liberty at its purist.
This demagogue needs to review fundamental journalistic ethics, and be more consistent in his anti-liberal rants.
FAIL
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 5:21pm.
FAIL
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Define liberty*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 5:42pm.
giygas.....Abortion and same sex marriage are individual liberty at its purist....
Convoluted thinking at best. Homosexuality is an abnormality. We have a small minority of gays in this country who have the same freedoms as everyone else. Due to their abnormality, they will never qualify for "marriage". Not their fault but also no one else's fault no matter who you continue to try to blame. They are different and demanding special accommodations for those few is a distortion of liberty.
Abortion is a choice made by a woman to kill the human life within her that she helped create. She aborts that "life" for her well being while denying liberty and life to a defenseless human being. Where is the purity there?
To live one's life filled with self absorption, pleasure seeking, lack of responsibility for one's actions, refusal to accept consequences, failure to participate in society with something constructive, failure to seek independence and self sufficiency to me are not the privileges one attributes to "LIBERTY"
Not surprising
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 7:00pm.
from someone who chooses the name of an "Embodiment of Evil" as his screen name.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
By "purist", I was refering
Submitted by Giygas on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 2:11am.
By "purist", I was refering to the essence of an individual's liberty, rather than whether it was moral or not. Personally, I am not "pro-abortion", but I am pro-choice. If you believe that abortion is murder, don't get one, as that would probably be the right thing to do. But you should not mandate your beliefs on everyone else.
"Abortion is a choice made by a woman to kill the human life within her that she helped create." Not always. Many abortions occur because a woman may have been raped or pressured into having sex by another man. This group of women typically lacks the money to recieve prenatal care, or to raise the child. Some women may not be healthy enough to carry the baby full term, as some pregnancies can lead to dire health complications and even death. These women may already have children that depend on them. Those already born have the right of way.
The American Psychiatric Association, for over 3 decades, has not considered homosexuality an "abnormality". A person's sexual orientation is an intrinsic component of their personality and cannot be changed by self-denial or any other psychiatric therapy. Heterosexuality is just as natural as homosexuality. But natural selection works against homosexuality because gays are much less likely to reproduce, thus making the trait far less common than heterosexuality.
Homophobia is an irrational bronze age fear that we should have long conquered.
We heterosexuals enjoy marriage. Why should we deprive homosexuals of the same thing that most straights desire and enjoy? This is, by the way, a country of freedom of religion, and homophobia overwhelmingly stems from religious lobbies; read the constitution!
Gg, essence as in drained and Used.. MKA "Dark Crystal"
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 3:02am.
Homophobia is an irrational bronze age fear that we should have long conquered.
If it wasn't for Highjacked technology this would never happen. Right!?
Hay look something up for me... The number of Americans in Iran jails. hurry google it now.
You Didn't Build That.
Giygas
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 7:47am.
By your logic I have the freedom to take something from another person if I want it in the name of liberty. Abortion is killing another person. My liberty does not come at someone else's right to live. The argument about rape victims is flawed in that very few rape victims become pregnant, for various reasons. Planned parenthood eliminates the poverty argument since poor women receive free birth control.
Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disease or abnormality due to the intense and powerful lobbying of the gay community.
By the way, who do you think the Founding Fathrs were referring to when they mentioned "Creator"?
"Homosexuality is no longer
Submitted by Giygas on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 9:55am.
"Homosexuality is no longer listed as a mental disease or abnormality due to the intense and powerful lobbying of the gay community."
When all else fails, resort to conspiracy theories. The only reason why so many people hate and fear homosexuals is because the Bible or some other holy book tells them to do so. These holy books are based fables passed down orally by nomadic tribesmen.
Who do you believe is correct about homosexuals? The 20th century's leading psychologists and neurologists, who went through several years of intensive education and academic study? Or bronze age nomads who had no philosophy of empiricism and rational thought.
"The argument about rape victims is flawed in that very few rape victims become pregnant"
Is this really true? You probably got this from a pro-life or a Christian website. In a debate as contentious as abortion, both extremes in this debate exaggerate and can give distorted information. Finding a reliable source for the statistics of rape-caused pregnancies is hard.
"By the way, who do you think the Founding Fathers were referring to when they mentioned "Creator"?"
Most of the founding fathers were atheists, but a couple of them were religious. They may have mentioned the word "creator" because most colonists were religious.
→ Believe what you will
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 10:02am.
Congratulations on your completion of Revisionist History 101. I'm sure there are any number of modern sources claiming the Founding Fathers weren't believers in God, even though the historical record indicates otherwise.
Just one question. Inasmuch as most sex acts do not produce a pregnancy, could you please provide a link proving that most rapes do produce pregnancy?
You're just making stuff up on the fly.
No, it's not "fables passed down orally by nomadic tribesmen"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 10:24am.
It's crap like this, Gaygas.
wrong thinking giygas*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 05/23/2011 - 11:14am.
You fail to recognize that the majority of Americans do not agree with abortion nor gay marriage. But we have a powerful minority in this country that has managed to sway the courts. That means the law of the land dictates to us how we live our lives. You disagree with the current law that civil unions are not "marriage" and that a minority in this country have the right to fight to change the laws and yet you argue that a majority who do not agree are anti liberty and homophobic and should be forced to change the laws..( And dont call me a homophobe. I have 3 members of my family that are gay and not a one of them agree with anything you have stated.)
Your views do not represent all gays or pro-abortionists. How interesting when the shoe is on the other foot. See, the majority of Americans must live by the law, the murder of innocent humans is acceptable to some while majority of Americans denounce the killing of an innocent child but it is purity of liberty for us to be forced to accept that law. Can you not see the hypocrisy in your argument?
What happens when altruistic and purist ideals are considered rather than societal consequences is a variable that allows changing boundaries, moving the goal posts. Like calling abortion a "right to choose" and now we have "partial birth abortion". A living human being is butchered to meet someone else's right to convenience.
Look at the abortion statistics again. The majority of abortions are for white middle class, the next group is young blacks, the smallest % of abortion are rape or health issues. The APA was mentioned by you in an earlier post. Many professionals have lost all respect for the APA and abortion Doctors have taken "liberties" with definitions of emotional or psychiatric conditions that would allow for abortions and late term abortions. We have several NB posters here that are professionals who must deal with the APA and they have expressed their assessment of APA many times.
We at NB have had this discussion before. We live by the laws of the land and some of those laws are difficult to accept. Yet people like you expect conservatives to abide by those laws unless they affect you are your beliefs. Then you demand they be changed. But conservatives dare not fight those changes or you will be labeled homophobes and Nazi's from the Bronze Age. Typical liberal ideology.......Tis good for thee but not for me....
Go gas yourself, troll
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 05/22/2011 - 7:28pm.
And if you insist on supporting the murder of innocent human beings who cannot speak for themselves, then go do it in somebody else's country.
-Dave
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